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What an awesome piece of kit...and also an example of how jobs seemingly requiring a human can be done by AI. In admiration...Robma (talk) 07:39, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

@Wen D House: Thank you! Despite an increasingly busy "real life" I am committed to keeping the tool running. That said, significant expansion is probably going to require another developer. West.andrew.g (talk) 16:23, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Request for permissions

Hello, I've reversed a lot of unconstructive and/or vandalism on Wikipedia. I don't qualify for the rollback permission but I still would like to use this software. Thanks! MilkGams (talk) 19:00, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

 Done -- @MilkGams: A borderline case given a few talk page messages, but ultimately overcome by the volume and narrow work in recent changes patrolling. Happy reverting, West.andrew.g (talk) 18:47, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Request for Permission

I am a small time editor who would like reverts vandalism, which appears to be on the rise and improves new edits. I don't have the qualifications for rollback yet. Therefore would like to have permission to use STiki. Adm365 01:41, 11 March 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xxxxx365 (talk • contribs)

 Not done -- Only 28 edits in the main namespace is too few for me. Why don't you give WP:CVUA a try? Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 02:42, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

Request for Permission

Hello and good day to you. I have returned to Wikipedia after an very extended and long absence. While I'm relearning the finer details of editing and format for articles and still struggling to catch up on my knowledge of coding, my passion is holding the line against vandalism. I haven't quite met the 1,000 edits yet, I don't think; but I'm pretty close. I would like to give STiki a try and see how things go with your software. I look forward to your answer. Operator873^CONNECT 16:54, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

 Done -- @Operator873: Focused experience and rapidly approaching 1000 edits, regardless. Happy reverting. West.andrew.g (talk) 16:44, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Request for permission

Hello, I've reversed a lot of unconstructive and/or vandalism on Wikipedia. I don't qualify for the rollback permission but I still would like to use this software. Thank You— Enaya Afzal Siddiqui  ^talk 08:06, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

 Not done -- @Enaya Afzal: Solid edit count, but frequent (and denied) permissions requests along with unanswered concerns about tagging behavior make this fall short for me. As always, WP:CVUA completion would expedite access. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 17:01, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Username change, can no longer access tool.

Hey! I got my name changed from MilkGams to MilkGames. I can no longer access the tool - Please add me back.

Also, change my name in the leaderboards. Thanks! MilkGames (talk) 20:01, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

 Done --- @MilkGames: Account granted permission and 227 prior contributions re-mapped. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 17:04, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Bot passwords

This is listed as "pending" above, but I've been using bot passwords to login for several weeks now, after enabling 2FA on my account...Vanamonde (talk) 04:54, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

@Vanamonde93: Thanks for the note. I assumed I actually had to write supporting code. I'll remove it from the table above. West.andrew.g (talk) 07:11, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

STiki is down

Unknown reasons at this time. No one schedules maintenance for 4:30PM. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 20:32, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

I've been informed by a colleague on-site that the network switch for the lab died. They have ordered a replacement which is set to arrive tomorrow (Friday) or Monday. In the meantime, he's looking for a spare port elsewhere. This would mean STiki's IP address would change: I'll need to inform the University's computing support team to change the DNS entry, and we'll have to wait for that DNS change to propagate globally. I'll keep everyone updated, but at least this downtime (thankfully?) is no fault of my own. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 13:38, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for notifying, will I have to reinstall Java or STiki or will it automatically take care of itself when it is fixed? Thanks. L3X1 (distant write) 19:29, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

 Done We are back up! @L3X1: Everything will work as normal. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 21:56, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

STiki repeatedly reports dropped session

Has anyone else been experiencing issues with editing sessions being dropped? When I tried to revert today, STiki reported that the WMF dropped my session and closed down. I followed the suggestion given and restarted STiki, but this has happened three times now. Any thoughts? Thegreatgrabber (talk) ^contribs 22:11, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

It seems to have gone away on its own now. Thegreatgrabber (talk) ^contribs 02:06, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

This is persistent problem which pops up from time to time. The archives will reveal many other instances, without a firm explanation/resolution, and plenty of attempts to debug the issue. Since the problem tends to go away with no action on my part, it is believed that this is an error on the WMF server-side. At current, STiki tries to detect when this badness is happening and notify users so they don't do work that is blackholed or associated with their IP address. I'm not sure this is something we can fix. West.andrew.g (talk) 20:23, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Using Stiki without rollback rights?

Hello, i want to use STiki, but not to "fight vandalism". I want to get notified about recent "unconstructive" changes, so that i can edit them, and create good content on wikipedia. Thats why i want to use Stiki. So is it possible to use stiki without rollback authorities? if not, what other tool or bot should i use for this purpose? —usernamekiran (talk) 06:51, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

 Done -- @Usernamekiran: I've granted permission. It seems like you've been around here long enough to use good judgement. As for your use-case, one could always use nothing besides the "pass" option to cycle through edits to identify problems that go beyond simple vandalism reversions. West.andrew.g (talk) 20:32, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

• thank you. Did you grant me rollback authorities? —usernamekiran (talk) 20:42, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

• @West.andrew.g: sorry i forgot to ping you in my previous message. —usernamekiran (talk) 20:44, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

@Usernamekiran: No, I granted you access to STiki only. West.andrew.g (talk) 21:17, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

• @West.andrew.g: thanks again :) —usernamekiran (talk) 21:27, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi Kiran,

You may find that using STiki in the way Andrew describes is the best way to meet your needs. Something else you could look at is WP:Snuggle, which list all edits by new users.

Yaris678 (talk) 17:45, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Using STiki without Rollback rights

Hello, i want to use STiki, but not to "fight vandalism". I want to get notified about recent "unconstructive" changes, so that i can edit them, and create good content on wikipedia. Thats why i want to use Stiki. So is it possible to use stiki without rollback authorities — Enaya Afzal Siddiqui  ^talk 15:07, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

 Not done -- @Enaya Afzal: Seriously? You just asked for (and were denied) permission a couple days ago: Wikipedia_talk:STiki/Archive_25#Request_for_permission_3 ... and then you verbatim copy-paste a permissions justification from two sections above? I suggest you start elsewhere: Snuggle, CVUA, wherever ... before requesting for STiki permission via a more compelling argument. 16:16, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

Stiki Request

Hello. I am requesting to use STiki to help speed up removal of vandalism. While I don't have rollback just yet, and have seemingly few edits, I do have prior WP experience as an IP, making many edits under said IP, including several edits made to remove vandalism. Hopefully this shows that I am responsible and know my way around the wiki enough to use STiki, and I thank you for considering my request. Titanium Wolf (talk) 14:24, 22 March 2017 (UTC

Why not just come back when you have more certified edits? Then all ambiguities will be solved. Also, CVUA helps. Good luck, Super48paul (talk) 09:32, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

 Not done -- @Titanium Wolf: Agreeing with Super48paul, 26 mainspace edits is far too little experience. WP:CVUA can accelerate your obtaining the permission. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 13:44, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

STiki is down

I assume the network switch issue from earlier this week is being resolved. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 19:02, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

I got an error message that said it was "Unable to connect to the STiki back-end. —MRD2014 📞 contribs 23:11, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

And I did this morning GMT — Gareth Griffith-Jones | The Welsh | Buzzard |  09:16, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

... and continues to be down. I am trying to communicate with someone on-site. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 13:46, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

and it's still down for everyone? Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 16:41, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

@Flyer22 Reborn: I still can't get on. It wasn't working when I tried five days ago. —MRD2014 📞 contribs 20:33, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

I can't get on either - first time I've had that issue. Getting an error message. I have no problems with my internet connection and I assume that my port hasn't started acting up (whatever that is), so I guess it may be that it's down. Coretheapple (talk) 02:51, 27 March 2017 (UTC

Andrew will inform us all here as soon as the matter is resolved. — Gareth Griffith-Jones | The Welsh | Buzzard |  08:51, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

 Done -- STiki is back up. More to come later. It may take a bit for queues to re-populate to a healthy state. West.andrew.g (talk) 18:51, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Yay! Thanks so much! L3X1 (distant write) 02:04, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

CPU overload issue

STiki has been unusable for the past 10 days or so (2 weekends and in between), due to the old issue with CPU overload by STiki; multiple restarts don't help. Materialscientist (talk) 03:18, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

@Materialscientist: Thanks for the note. This isn't something I was aware of. Is anyone else affected? My daily reports haven't suggested a broad drop off in classifications. I do recall a CPU overload issue in STiki's past. This was attributed to the fact certain WMF servers were doing markup different than the others (a CSS thing, IIRC). Our parser wasn't prepared for the unseen case, and that thread would end up in an infinite loop. That was nasty to track down, but it did resolve the CPU overload issue. Maybe something similar has occurred again. You are on the most recent STiki version, yes? I'll see if I can duplicate the issue on my own machine. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 16:07, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

I had no problems this morning. — Gareth Griffith-Jones | The Welsh | Buzzard |  19:04, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

The problem still persists, and it is quite annoying. It might take up to several dozen edits to reach the overload state, and some PCs can handle CPU overload, which is why Andrew might not see a drop in usage stats. Materialscientist (talk) 23:44, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

I tend to use STiki in 50-100 edit bursts, and only noticed freezing when attempting to load external links to Safari. L3X1 (distant write) 21:19, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

I have also noticed issues when loading links in the browser (typically Firefox). It is normally fine at first, but once you have loaded a load of links, things really start to chug. I have tried closing tabs down, and it doesn't really help. I have taken to navigating to the important pages without clicking on the links in STiki, which seems to work.

Obviously, this work-around isn't ideal as it negates one of the efficiency-improving features of STiki. Andrew, can you think why it might be having this issue? All I can think is that, possibly, the way you are opening the browser might open a listener for a response from the browser and that STiki ends up running hundreds of listeners.

Yaris678 (talk) 11:16, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

@Materialscientist: Is the use of to-browser links a common part of your STiki workflow? Does this seem consistent? Sounds like a starting point. West.andrew.g (talk) 13:52, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

I never use to-browser links in Stiki, and instead copy/paste what I need into the browser. CPU overload is not easy to notice if the user works exclusively in the Stiki window (I frequently switch between Stiki and Firefox windows, and then the overload is easily noticeable). Materialscientist (talk) 22:48, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Do you avoid the links because you know from experience that they make things worse? Yaris678 (talk) 09:05, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

I avoid them because they involve uncontrollable procedures (of connecting to and manipulating with my web browser), and I often do not want that particular Stiki diff, but something else in the Stiki window. I did not investigate, but I had a feeling that copy/paste also works faster than to-browser links. Materialscientist (talk) 03:15, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

STiki permission request

Hello, I don't have 1000+ edits in the article namespace as I only became active recently but if you have a look at my edits, its mostly to fight vandalism. Presently, I am using Twinle and STiki will help me both find and revert vandalism. I must mention that I have also applied for rollback permision but its not yet granted (pending possibly due to my low edit count). I got excited recently when I crossed 1000 total edits and instantly came here to check just to realize that they all need to be in the article namespace. I also have nominated a few articles for deletion and most of them have been successful (vandalism, notability are some reasons). I have successfully requested and got blocked several users for vandalism as well. This tool will only help me further fight vandalism. Thank You! Yashovardhan (talk) 17:09, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

 Done -- @Yashovardhan Dhanania: A good base of anti-vandalism work. Not perfect in some of his/her patrolling classifications as per talk page messages, but clearly assumes good-faith. Lots of work in user-talk and article-talk spaces to figure things out and clarify situations puts this over the bar for me. Take your time, and happy reverting. West.andrew.g (talk) 22:04, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

@West.andrew.g: thanks a lot! I'll try to be more clear on talk pages as well! :) Yashovardhan (talk) 04:31, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

@West.andrew.g: Can't login! It says I don't have sufficient permissions. Pleach check and revert! Thanks Yashovardhan (talk) 05:05, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

@Yashovardhan Dhanania: Made a tweak. Try again now, please. West.andrew.g (talk) 13:22, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

@West.andrew.g: Thanks! Its working now! Yashovardhan (talk) 13:34, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

Feature request: Dark skin for STiki

Thank you for making such useful app, Just one request/query, like there's option to change colors in diff-browser, Is it possible to change the color of main body or add a dark skin?, Current skin is little too bright to work in darker rooms.Redhat101 Talk 01:48, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

@Redhat101: Added to the tracking table as T#061. If there is a global look and feel I can apply that changes everything in a line or two of code, this could be implemented very quickly. If instead I have to implement some option into every single GUI component, we're looking at a much longer timeline. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 13:17, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

@West.andrew.g: Thank you for considering my request.Redhat101 Talk 22:35, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

You might want to try UIManager.setLookAndFeel, since its effects are global and theoretically users would be able to customize themes. Morphdog (t - c) 01:48, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Addendum: If you want to try a different theme for Stiki without changing anything, run _{java -Dswing.metalTheme=steel -jar location/of/stiki/in/file/system/STiki_2016_08_14.jar} in a command prompt/terminal. Morphdog (t - c) 02:02, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

@Morphdog: Do you know if darker themes exist, especially those that otherwise closely mimic the default Java ones? At quick skim it doesn't seem like any are included by default with Java, but presumably I could package one up with the distribution. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk)

@West.andrew.g: Most of the looks & feels that I've seen are proprietary, however you can use java -cp to set the classpath for a standalone jar (that users can download, and perhaps make their own look and feel), that way you don't have to package them and get into copyright issues. Morphdog (t - c) 18:14, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Yet Another STiki permission request

I stumbled across this tool when it flagged a page that I maintain and watch due to an edit by a self-interested party. I was very impressed that ML had correctly identified the possibility of vandalism in such a subtle change. So I've downloaded the jar to play with it to satisfy some idle curiosity. I've very little experience editing Wikipedia, having only done a handful of edits over the years, but I operate in good faith and I'm judicious with changes.

Unsigned request by User:Bill Michaelson --ProgrammingGeek ^talktome 00:30, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Bill Michaelson, there is no doubt that you are a good editor, but starting with Twinkle or enrolling here might be good to get some counter vandalism experience first. ^{Just my 2¢} ProgrammingGeek ^talktome 00:37, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

@Bill Michaelson: Thank you for your interest... and I second ProgrammingGeek's suggestion. We normally require a couple hundred article namespace edits, slightly variable depending upon vandalism focus. If you are interested in this kind of work, WP:CVUA training would be the fast track. West.andrew.g (talk) 00:12, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. Too high a bar for me; I've got other priorities. If Wikipedia had similar barriers to entry its history might have been different. Good luck in your quest for balance in crowd-sourcing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bill Michaelson (talk • contribs) 11:42, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Username change

Hi. I had a username change from Iambic Pentameter to 72. Could I have my STiki contributions reassigned to my new username please? Thanks —72 _{talk / contribs} 23:05, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

 Done -- @72: 1042 contributions re-mapped; will be reflected at next leaderboard update. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 05:57, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you! —72 _{talk / contribs} 10:59, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Metadata queue switched to default; CBNG down

I have made the metadata/STiki queue the default. CBNG has been down for 12+ hours. West.andrew.g (talk) 14:14, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Is that why I've been seeing some weirdness: STiki shows me all the edits done by one IP so many times I investigate it and end up Innocenting them. Then is sends me to Sausages, where I have to look at an 85 day and 2 hour old revision. I then realise it's not running off Cluebot feed, and after a little bit it works. Does this mean CBNG is back up? Or am I in dangerous territory and should switch back to the revQueue? Thanks L3X1 (distant write) 02:39, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Don't we have a feature where one can "ignore" the work of a single editor when this happens? The "ignore" last for the duration of the session, IIRC. Kinda busy right now but I vaguely remember recently implementing this. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 14:43, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Yes it's there, I tend to use for it admins when I run across them. I totally forgot about that feature. L3X1 (distant write) 16:34, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Metadata/STiki queue remains the default. While CBNG is running, the IRC feeds from which STiki consumes the scoring remains down. I have notified the CBNG team. West.andrew.g (talk) 17:18, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

 Done -- CBNG feed is back up and running; I've restored it as the default. West.andrew.g (talk) 01:24, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

 Not done -- No so fast. CBNG IRC is down again and STiki hit-rates are suffering, so I've made the metadata queue default again. West.andrew.g (talk) 16:17, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Still down. I've pinged the authors directly (in addition to the talk page message). Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 14:04, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

And I am receiving one-year-old STiki edits for review now: how come?! anyone else the same?Super48paul (talk) 11:09, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

Because the worst-scoring still active edit is 1-year old. The metadata queue scoring has no notion of time-decay (although such a feature could be a valid one). Indeed, people have reverted vandalism that is 1+ years old in that queue. However, given that it is now default I've decide to eliminate non-recent edits from the queue. We'll see if that bumps up overall hit-rate performance (which has been hovering around a quite low 20% since CBNG's IRC feed went down). Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 01:13, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

Still getting hits as old as 85 days on the CBNG queue. lavender|^{(formerly HMSSolent)}|lambast 00:36, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

@HMSLavender: @Super48paul: The CBNG queue is down, and that is precisely why the STiki queue is set as default. You shouldn't be using the CBNG queue since there is nothing fresh going in, and anyone who is using it will just be driving deeper and deeper into a backlog of lower-probability-of-vandalism edits. P.S. does someone else want to give the CBNG authors a poke and see if they can get the IRC running again? The bot itself is running, and their IRC server is up, so I don't understand the difficulty, there. West.andrew.g (talk) 13:15, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

 Not done -- The CBNG IRC feed continues to be down. I've contacted the authors again. West.andrew.g (talk) 17:44, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

 Not done -- I am beginning to fear that the CBNG feed may be down indefinitely. My multiple posts (the last one without response) to the talk page have found their way into the archives. The IRC topics in one of the rooms recognizes that "CBNGRelay" is not present (the bot that does the broadcasting). STiki users may want to attempt another poke: the STiki/metadata queue is achieving hit-rates 10% below what we typically see with CBNG. This in turn might be affecting overall usage numbers, and in turn more vandalism is surviving longer. West.andrew.g (talk) 16:13, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

In researching my article on CBNG, I noticed that ClueBot III was back up. How do I poke the CBNG team? d.g. L3X1 (distant write) 02:53, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

User_talk:ClueBot_Commons is the combined talk page for all the ClueNet projects. I've even tried to ping/email the authors directly with respect to the ClueBot IRC channel. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 14:08, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

The CBNG IRC channel going silent pales a little compared to the current dilemma—the entire bot is down. Rich Smith tried to get it back up, but was unable to, so it would seem something more serious is going on. —k6ka 🍁 (Talk · Contributions) 12:43, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

@West.andrew.g: This came from Damian Zaremba: Due to some issues in the relay causing it to not auth properly on reconnects, the servers got banned from IRC. I will look into resolving this when I have some spare time, but it's possibly time to look at others way of passing the high volumes of data. —k6ka 🍁 (Talk · Contributions) 22:01, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

@K6ka: We could give them a channel on STiki's machine (armstrong.cis.upenn.edu) and IRC if that's any help. West.andrew.g (talk) 13:33, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Is STiki down?

Is anybody having problems running STiki? Haven't been able to connect to the backend today. Not sure if this is due to my organisation's local settings, or if it's because the STiki server is down. lavender|^{(formerly HMSSolent)}|lambast 01:07, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Scratch that - seems to be working now under a different network; so it's definitely down to the local settings - sorry. lavender|^{(formerly HMSSolent)}|lambast 01:12, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Unable to install/run Comment

Hello,
When I double click on "STiki_2016_08_14.jar", it is simply opening in the WinRAR as any other zipped folder. I am using a Windows 7 Ultimate edition. Kindly let me know how to use STiki. Thanks a lot. —usernamekiran(talk) 11:33, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

@Usernamekiran: You will need the Java Runtime Environment in order to use STiki. You can download and install it via Ninite (Select "Java 8" under the "Runtime" section). —k6ka 🍁 (Talk · Contributions) 16:52, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

@K6ka: thanks. I got it working now. I downloaded the JRE from Java's official site. Is there any way to find "not so recent edits"? Also, is there a "user manual"? I tried, but couldn't find it. —usernamekiran(talk) 19:25, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

@Usernamekiran: STiki automatically finds and sends you edits, so you don't need to worry about finding edits yourself. The STiki server coordinates with other users using the tool so it'll make sure that two users won't be shown the same edit simultaneously. Also, while there's no user manual, pretty much everything you need to know is at WP:STiki. The tool was designed with simplicity in mind, unlike, say, Huggle. —k6ka 🍁 (Talk · Contributions) 22:04, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

@Usernamekiran: While not a complete "user-guide", the "help" documentation inside of STiki (accessed via the "Help" menu option) is pretty extensive in nature. In addition to reading WP:STiki, I'd definitely give it a look. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 14:46, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you guys! —usernamekiran(talk) 14:53, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Suggestion for a new STiki queue

It would be great to have an optional STiki queue which is fed from the personal watchlist. Materialscientist (talk) 09:24, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

@Materialscientist: I think I'm having a hard time imagining how to implement this, while also recognizing its a good idea. Literal queues (such as CBNG, metadata) are massive database undertakings insofar as the triggers and linkages involved. We certainly can't spin off 1000+ user-specific queues (one for every user) that limit insertion based on watchlist properties. Second, a user-specific "filter" (in STiki language) that limits what edits are popped from the queue would be so sparse in letting edits through that it would be a tremendous network and computational burden. The one thing I am imagining (and need to ponder further), is a query which ignores the absolute priority of the queue and plucks out specific page-ids (PIDs on the user watchlist) in priority order; a index might achieve this efficiently. I'm going to think about this a little further before filing in the feature table. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 04:00, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

The main idea of this queue is to facilitate reviewing the entire watchlist after a period of inactivity. Hence basic setup could be browsing through all edits from the watchlist, and this would already help a lot. Then you can add any filtering and sorting, giving the user some selection options where appropriate. Sorting could be by time and priority. Filtering could be by user (IP/unregistered user/registered user/trusted user/bot, etc., with an option of removing edits by bots and trusted users), by namespace (article, talk, etc.), and so on. Materialscientist (talk) 04:52, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

I think I understand what Materialscientist is saying. It sounds like the client-server architecture would be different. The thing that Materialscientist would like to have in this tool is the STiki GUI, for reviewing the edits. Perhaps you wouldn't even need a server - the GUI could interrogate the watchlist on the wiki. It could get interesting if the article has been edited multiple times since you last looked at it - would you want to show the combined diff from multiple users in the diff window?

I think that such a tool would be popular with people who have a large watchlist. However, since the architecture is so different, I can understand if Andrew would rather leave that for someone else to develop.

Yaris678 (talk) 08:10, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

The features requested by Materialscientist would be very useful.
I have something like 1000 articles (no usertalk, or othe pages) in my watchlist. About 600 of them get an edit once in a month. But the other 400 articles are sort of active.

So after a gap of 12 hours, tracking what happened in articles, talkpages, wiki talk, and other places; is not very interesting lol. If STiki could show edits that need a look, then it would be very useful for time management. I agree with Yaris, this feature would be popular with people who have a large watchlist. —usernamekiran(talk) 09:01, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

STiki problems

Hi there! I have downloaded STiki numerous times. When it downloads, in the folder, it says STiki is a JAR file but it doesn't open. Any idea how to open it? Thanks, Telfordbuck (talk) 21:30, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

@Telfordbuck: Do you have a Java Runtime Environment (JRE) installed? [1] West.andrew.g (talk) 21:16, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

All sorted thanks! Telfordbuck (talk) 21:43, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Edit counter

This is my laziness talking. I don't know if an edit counter among the targeted user's info would be easy or worth the effort to implement (or desirable: might it facilitate bias against low-count users?). But I'll put the suggestion out there because when I find obvious vandalism, I often check the user/IP's contribs (using the "edits" link) in case they're on a spree, and knowing if they don't have any other edits would avoid spending time checking. — benzband (talk) 06:13, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

@Benzband: There are a couple of features that already approximate this. First, the model itself chooses which edits to display based on training logic that considers both registration status and editing experience (so any bias is already present). Second, we do display any permissions (i.e., autoconf) that the user has adjacent to their username. Third, there is an edit filter to exclude edits from experienced users. Your described use-case, however, seems to weave a unique path between all these: (1) other edits are orthogonal to the edit under inspection, and (2) having more contributions could be damning at the extreme low end of the spectrum. I believe we already query for the edit count, so such a feature shouldn't come at great cost. The only downside I see is a possible misinterpretation for dynamic IPs who may have many old edits under a different human user. I'll add it to the tracking table. West.andrew.g (talk) 13:24, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

Tracked as T#062. West.andrew.g (talk) 13:27, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

STiki keeps shutting down on me

The last few times I have opened STiki (2016-08-14 version) and I tried to edit, it would give me an error message and STiki would immediately shut down. I have rollback, so I can use the program. Is anyone else having this problem? —MRD2014 ^{Talk • Edits • Help!} 14:57, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

 Done -- After this time period, I am going to assume not and mark this as "done". West.andrew.g (talk) 13:45, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

STiki is down, right?

Not working for me. I have to go ahead and use WP:Huggle. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 17:05, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, for the record I can confirm it's not working for me either. Appears only to display an error message upon opening. –72 _(talk) 20:07, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

Thought so. Turned on Huggle, but it looked empty with regard to problematic editing, which I know is partly due to Sundays being slow. I prefer the classic Huggle to the new Huggle. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 20:19, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

I used to use Huggle, but I find it complicated and too fast paced. The beta "New filters for edit review" seems good in terms of finding problematic edits, but STiki is better. I've essentially deferred to the old school Special:RecentChanges, and a large watchlist. –72 _(talk) 20:27, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

Yes, before STiki, I used Huggle. STiki changed everything; when it comes to my Wikipedia editing, I'm addicted to it. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 20:35, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

Down here as well. lavender|^{(formerly HMSSolent)}|lambast 03:23, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Pinging West.andrew.g in case he doesn't know that it's down and in case he has his pings tied to his email. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 22:15, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

I tried to open it thrice in a row, no joy. L3X1 (distænt write) 02:52, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

C -- @Flyer22 Reborn: @72: @HMSSolent: @L3X1: I lost connectivity with the machine last weekend, but was slow to notice due to some travel. Just today I have made contact with a colleague who should be able to restart the server. Once this is done, STiki will come back online and I will post here and ping everyone to let them know. Sorry about the delay and thank you for your patience. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 15:37, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Machine is alive. STiki should work, but my office doesn't allow the SSH connectivity required to get in and restart the ingestion process. You'll see old edits right now, but I'll be home in the next couple hours, at which point I'll restart in the ingestion. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 18:00, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

 Done -- @Flyer22 Reborn: @72: @HMSSolent: @L3X1: STiki has now been re-ingesting edits for about 12 hours (and processed 58,000 edits), so we'd expect client behavior to be typical again. Let me know if this isn't the case. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 13:06, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

@West.andrew.g: Thanks for fixing things, but it appears that I've encountered another issue: I opened STiki yesterday to find that clicking "good faith revert" or "vandalism" wasn't actually performing a revert. The software moves on to the next diff as if it had reverted the previous edit, but the revert isn't made. I opened STiki on a new install on a different computer and the same issue arose. However, looking at the leaderboard, it seems that the edits I classified as "innocent" were registered. Judging by the contribs of STiki's frequent users it looks like I'm the only one having this problem. Could you take a look? –72 _(talk) 12:25, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

I get this problem occasionally, even on a relatively stable network. In my case, initiating an AGF revert under such circumstances causes STiki to close. lavender|^{(formerly HMSSolent)}|lambast 10:39, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

@72: @HMSSolent: This is an issue we have been fighting sporadically for quite a while (over a year?). A trip through the archives will dig up many old threads with the theme of "session loss", which seems like what you are describing here. If you recall any of the edits in question, you might want to check if they were associated with your IP address. Because this happens so sporadically (but often, multiple reports in short duration when we do go through one of the infrequent periods), it has proven difficult to reproduce for bug-killing purposes. To my best recollection, it was our figuring that something on the WMF side was terminating the session. Not the cause of the problem, I believe we wrote code so STiki checks the session health before *every* edit is made (at non-trivial network cost), and it would display a warning and "please restart STiki" message when it found the session had been lost. If this didn't happen, and its a recurring issue for you, we're back to scratching our heads on this one. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 14:29, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

@West.andrew.g: Thanks for the reply. Just launched STiki now and looks to be working perfectly. When I was having the issue described above there was no "please restart" message at all, it just behaved as if I had clicked on the "pass" button. I do vaguely remember having this issue some time back before my username change but not where it was apparent continuously for a few days. –72 _(talk) 14:41, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Cannot open the app

I recently upgraded my Windows operating system to Windows 10, and when I tried to open the app, it asks "How do you want to open this file?". What should I click on? This did not happen to me with Windows 8. Thank you.--TerryAlex (talk) 22:48, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

Have you installed Java on your new system? Dbfirs 23:03, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

No wonder. Thannk you :)--TerryAlex (talk) 00:13, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Stiki request permission

• Hi! I´m requesting permission to use STiki. I´m sysop on ptwiki and I have knowladge to deal with vandalism through anti vandal tools, whit more 20,000 actions through Huggle. I know that enwiki is different from ptwiki, and I´m only en-2, but I can understand and identify vandalism easily, and you can see that I´m doing a great job on enwiki watching my contribuitions. Chicocvenancio, that is on charge to run Stiki on other languagues and wikis, can confirm that I´m a trustworthy user. Thank you. --Hume42 (talk) 08:45, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

(If I can indeed help confirm Hume42 trustworthiness) I think Hume42 is a very trusted member of the Portuguese Wikipedia and can help understanding if it is worthwhile to spend the need efforts to localize STiki to Portuguese. Chico Venancio (talk) 15:13, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

 Done -- @Hume42: Approved for access. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 16:24, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

• Yes, I would like to have permission to use STiki. With STiki, I believe I may be able to contribute a little more to the effort to defend WP. Tomorrow is my 10th anniversary as an editor. I only have a paltry 9,400 edits but they're nearly all in the namespace; I don't look at WP as a social experience, just want to keep it accurate and reliable because it has come to matter hugely. It seems I meet the requirements. sirlanz 15:08, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, who's talking? Super48paul (talk) 18:13, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

@Sirlanz: With more than 2K main namespace edits, you automatically have permission to use the tool. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 19:45, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

• I would like to request permission to use Wikipedia:STiki with my account Tewksbg. I have previous background with web vandalism prevention and clean up on other sites. I am active on Reddit (u/tewksbg) helping a handful of high traffic subreddits either as being a mod or consulting mod of some owners. I am an editor who watches enwiki and makes changes when needed. I also help moderate several Facebook groups and pages when needed. You can check some of my contributions to see some of the changes that I have made. I also am familiar with Java coding, and would be more than willing to help test and debug future versions on numerous OS platforms. Thank you for your time. Please contact me at my talk page if you have any questions Tewksbg (talk) 19:59, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

 Not done An old request from a user with very few edits. While I'm inclined to assume good faith and believe other moderation duties make him/her capable, there is just too little en.wiki experience. West.andrew.g (talk) 15:33, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

• Hello! I would like to request permission to use the STiki tools. I have worked on wiki sites (not wikipedia) as a sysop/bureaucrat for the past 2 years so I know the difference between intended malice and a good-faith edit. I have also had experience moderating online games for the past 2-3 years. I feel that allowing me to use this tool would help to stop vandalism by finding and reverting it at a faster rate than what would have been otherwise possible. --Figfires (talk) 21:56, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

 Done -- @Figfires: I've approved your request. Sorry about the delay. There aren't a ton of contributions or tight focus on anti-vandalism, but there has been steady participation that would arrive at the 1k threshold in short order, regardless. Honestly, this was a borderline case, but I'm assuming good faith, and I couldn't not approve after seeing the recent work on Tom Petty articles. Loved that man. Saw him over 20 times live (I'm in my early 30's) and traveled extensively to see him at Red Rocks, Wrigley Field earlier this year, and other fun venues. Keeping rocking, Tom. Happy reverting, Figfires. West.andrew.g (talk) 13:12, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

• Hi, I would like to request permission to use STiki. My main focus on Wikipedia is to prevent vandalism using Twinkle. I believe that my life would be better with this tool. Well, not my life but, you know. Thanks! --apap04¿ (talk) 17:41, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

 Done -- @Apap04: Granted on basis of Twinkle experience with anti-vandal focus and reasonable NS0 edit count. Happy reverting. West.andrew.g (talk) 05:19, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Stiki shutting down at first revert

I'm having this problem using my alt account User:Joe Decker (alt). Complaints that I'm being kicked out by the server. If you check contributions on that account, you'll notice it has worked in the very recent past. I've also verified that the behavior happens whether that account is given rollback or not, which might or might not be useful info. Thanks in advance! --joe decker^talk 16:44, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

(I have not checked this on my main admin account, assuming 2FA would get in the way.) --joe decker^talk 16:49, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Huh. Working now. --joe decker^talk 21:12, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

 Done -- Yeah, nothing has changed on the STiki side so we have to assume it was a WMF or network issue. Strange if it was only happening on one of your accounts, though. West.andrew.g (talk) 03:58, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, I've probably misspoken, to clarify: I was only able to test it on one account, my admin account has 2FA and I assumed I wouldn't be able to log in with it. I tested the non-admin account with and without rollback, using the admin account to tweak that permission on the non-admin account. Anyway, working fine now, and thanks!  :) --joe decker^talk 03:03, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Sticky on FreeBSD, or linux

Can it work on FreeBSD, or through wine? —usernamekiran(talk) 16:38, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

It's just a Java program, so if Java can run on FreeBSD, STiki should be able to run. ProgrammingGeek ^talktome 16:50, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

STiki was designed on (Fedora) Linux, so it obviously works there. Don't know much about FreeBSD, but I'd assume so. If anything would be amiss, I imagine it would be some of the complex glue/structs/spacing that helps beautify the layout (the only real place I've spent considerable time hacking on MacOS/Windows/Linux incompatibilities) and not anything mission critical. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 18:22, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Request for permission using STiki

Hello, I would like to request permission to use this tool as I am currently using twinkle but this tool is much more efficient and easier to use. Also, I can identify vandalism easily and that will be my focus whilst using this tool. -ReeceTheHawk (talk) 15:36, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

 Not done -- @ReeceTheHawk: I appreciate your enthusiasm towards the anti-vandal task, but with just 68 main namespace edits, and all of them coming in the past week, I think its just a little too soon for permission. You are certainly on the right track though, and a program like WP:CVUA will fast-track your access to the tool. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 18:27, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Request for permission to use STiki

Hello, I would like to request permission to use the STiki tool to support fighting vandalism. I can identify vandalism easily and have been rectifying it recently with Twinkle. While Twinkle is useful, I believe STiki offers a more semi-automated approach. Thanks, Devonson4 (talk) 19:42 01/12/2017

 Done -- @Devonson4: Granted. Happy reverting. West.andrew.g (talk) 15:54, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

STiki down again?

Not working for me. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 05:26, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Just me then? Okay. West.andrew.g, I am having trouble in the sense that when I start STiki, the STiki signal will show, but the window won't open up. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 22:09, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

@Flyer22 Reborn: I suspect that STiki's performance is lagging as I am compiling the year-end aggregates for the WP:5000 on the same machine. Both share the same database, and the statistical aggregation is 52 massive JOIN operations into a single consolidated table. I am messing with some performance optimizations to get that done as quickly as possible, at the short-term expense of STiki performance. The takeaway here is that I am aware of the (self-inflicted) issue, and I'd expect normal performance to be restored within a couple days. It is a bit surprising that it is completely blocking, rather than just slowing your STiki experience. West.andrew.g (talk) 17:26, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Seems to be the case. STiki runs on my computer but it lags more than usual and is churning out old edits. lavender|^{(formerly HMSSolent)}|lambast 11:33, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

 Done @Flyer22 Reborn: @HMSLavender: Everything should be working normal again, as I've offloaded the statistical workload to another machine. West.andrew.g (talk) 13:30, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

West.andrew.g, the window still won't open for me. I still only see the STiki sign. I mean, it goes on with being accessed and the sign pops up, but that window won't open. I don't know what is going on, but it appears to be something on my side. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 19:30, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

Hmmm... Is anyone else experiencing difficulty? Things are working fine on my side and server performance seems nominal. West.andrew.g (talk) 14:13, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

I don't know what else to do. I tried a fresh STiki download as well. I hate to think that I will need to use WP:Huggle from now on. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 19:20, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

@Flyer22 Reborn: You are one of STiki's most dedicated users. We'll get it sorted out. I'll have more cycles after the new year, if not before. West.andrew.g (talk) 02:24, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

I tried to see if Java was the problem. When trying to download Java, it said it no longer supports FireFox or Chrome. I use FireFox. I tried using Chrome to fix this issue. No dice. I do not want to use Internet Explorer. I tried to see if WinRAR is the issue. Not sure. Johnuniq, any idea what is going on? The frustrating thing about Huggle is that it's usually the case that what I reverted has already been reverted, and so my revert was for nothing. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 21:49, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

No need to ping me to this talk page, by the way, since it's on my watchlist. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 21:50, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Java is a security nightmare. I gave up following the issues a few years ago when it was apparent that it was not fixable. It is fine (not a security problem) to run Andrew's Java code because we trust Andrew. However, if Java is enabled in your browser, you may run Java scripts from other websites and they could wreak havoc. Therefore, it is likely that Firefox has made their browser more secure by requiring you to whitelist what Java script is ok to run. Google shows me [2] + [3] and more. If reading them does not give a good feeling, try WP:Reference desk/Computing. If desperate, ask me and I'll read the links but I haven't used Java for years. Johnuniq (talk) 23:37, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

@Flyer22 Reborn: @Johnuniq: No disagreement on the fact that Java applets (i.e., programs that run in web browsers) have security issues. However, STiki runs as a Java executable on the desktop using the JRE (Java Runtime Environment). While FF/Chrome might not run Java applets, they certainly aren't preventing you from downloading the JRE, or in any way affecting STiki use. Let's assume your Java/unzipping is good, and your copy of the JAR is good. Walk me through what happens when you try to launch and where you get stuck. West.andrew.g (talk) 02:12, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

I already had Java on my computer. I downloaded Java Runtime Environment; that is mainly what I meant by trying to see if it's the problem. As for what I do, I go to the "Start" Windows features on the left-hand side of my screen. I type in "STiki" in the search bar. The STiki selection shows up. I click on it in a way that I have options for what to do. I choose the "Open with WinRAR" option. WinRAR opens and I see the executable file. I click on it. STiki opens, but only as a pinned square box at the bottom of my screen (in the area beside the Start option). It does not open in a way that I can see STiki. This has only very recently been the case. It used to open fine. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 02:29, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

@Flyer22 Reborn: This seems like a respectable start. Does the pinned square start show the STiki logo? No dialog boxes pop-up? Can you use WinRAR to unzip the executable (the *.JAR) and put that JAR file on the Desktop, then use this YouTube tutorial to launch Java from the command prompt? This is the moral equivalent of double-clicking the JAR file, but with this we have the opportunity to print textual errors to the terminal if the GUI can't initialize to the point where it can display errors. West.andrew.g (talk) 04:04, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

edit summary when reverting good-faith edits

This tool can produce edit summaries of the form: "Reverted <number> good faith edits by <user> using STiki". It is really unnecessary in this context to link to the policy on assuming good faith, and doing so risks appearing to cast doubt on whether the edits are good faith, because it may give the impression of reluctantly giving the benefit of the doubt because the policy dictates it. This is ironically antithetical to what the policy is trying to achieve. I suggest removing the link (so that the words "good faith" still appear, but as ordinary text). It would then come across as a nice simple statement that the edit(s) are in fact good faith. --Money money tickle parsnip (talk) 18:41, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Individual users can edit the edit summaries on their own before using it to revert. Also just to note: Twinkle links to the WP:AGF page as well when using the "Rollback (AGF)" option, so you could also bring this up at WT:TW, since Twinkle's used more frequently than STiki. —k6ka 🍁 (Talk · Contributions) 02:29, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

STiki has generally followed the conventions of other tools like Huggle and Twinkle. If broad consensus is reached, I am happy to implement the change. West.andrew.g (talk) 19:20, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Request for permission using STiki

Hi, I would like to request permission to use the STiki tool to support fighting vandalism for I am in the counter vandalism program with rollback right.Thanks.CASSIOPEIA (talk) 01:23, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

@CASSIOPEIA: Given that you were granted rollback, you automatically have permission to use the tool. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 05:55, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

@West.andrew.g: Thanks for the response. I have tried, but the STiki system indicated that I dont have sufficient privileges to use the tool. The pop up window indicate 1. have rollback permission, 2. have >1000 edits on WP's article namespace and 3. Get special approval on STiki's talk page. I have item 1 and 2 criteria, for I seek approval on item 3. (additional info: I used my WP's user name and password to log in). Kindly advise and thank you. CASSIOPEIA (talk) 06:22, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

@CASSIOPEIA: This might be a case-sensitive thing on your username? Can you quickly try it all CAPS, no CAPS, and with just the first character uppercase. I don't suspect this will help things, and if it doesn't, I will review my code and/or add you explicitly the permission list (I just don't have that network connectivity at the moment). Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 16:06, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

@West.andrew.g: I tried to login and somehow it worked this time. So all is good now. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA (talk) 17:49, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

Unable to access the STiki API

Hello, i would like to access the STiki API. The GitHub repository links to here, but this link appears to be dead. Is there a different way to access the API? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dkeske (talk • contribs) 14:32, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

@Dkeske: Thank you for your interest. At some point since I wrote that, this policy went into effect at UPenn, where the STiki server lives. The scores are still being published to the IRC feed, just nothing can go over port 80. Can you describe your use-case? I may be able to help out by providing a data dump or a restricted account into the database. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 14:11, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

@West.andrew.g: Hi, Dkeske and I are currently doing some (academic) research on historic edits from German politicians and officials compared to "regular" users. Vandalistic edits produce a lot of noise in our data and we would like to weed them out ex-ante to get a better analysis data set. So a data dump that identifies vandalistic edits with a certain accuracy would be ideal. Thanks! --FaFlo (talk) 11:33, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

@FaFlo: Please contact me via email (easily found on my website), and I can create a database (MySQL) account so you can just query directly. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 23:46, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

STiki is currently down

The STiki server unexpectedly went down this afternoon (the machine lives in Philadelphia, and had this happened last night, I might have suspected some kind of Super Bowl conspiracy theory). A colleague was onsite and did a hard reboot of the machine. The box did not come back online. This implies: (1) Some type of network problem not corresponding to planned maintenance, and not affecting other machines in the lab, has persisted for more than hour, or (2) Something really bad has happened on the machine itself, unrelated to network issues (e.g., hard drive or other hardware failure). I am going to try to troubleshoot with folks on-site, but I don't have a great feeling about this, and if #2 reveals itself to be the cause, we have some serious problems. West.andrew.g (talk) 21:22, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Not as dire as initially thought. STiki should be running full steam again within a couple hours. West.andrew.g (talk) 22:06, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

@Andrew, Curiously, BTinternet (my email provider) who are operated by Yahoo in the UK, were non-operational for many hours yesterday afternoon and evening. On telephoning them, I was told they were "experiencing a serious outage which was expected to last several hours". My email is running this morning.
Do you think there could be a connection?
‑ ‑ Gareth Griffith‑Jones ^{The Welsh Buzzard} ‑ ‑ 07:43, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Highly unlikely. The University of Pennsylvania has its own vast infrastructure. West.andrew.g (talk) 14:53, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Yes, I would agree. STiki was trouble-free this morning. ‑ ‑ Gareth Griffith‑Jones ^{The Welsh Buzzard} ‑ ‑ 15:12, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Same. L3X1 ◊distænt write◊ 15:40, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

download

I just downloaded STiki but then, where is the .exe file? All I saw was a .jar file, which I can't open. L293D (☎ • ✎) 13:32, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

@L293D: I'm assuming you are on Windows. There is no *.EXE. If you have the Java Runtime Environment (JRE) installed, double-clicking the *.JAR should launch the program. I would confirm you have the JRE installed. I believe just because you can run Java plug-ins in the browser does not necessarily imply you have the desktop JRE installed. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 14:15, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

@West.andrew.g: so do I have to download the Java Runtime Environment to run STiki on Windows? L293D (☎ • ✎) 14:18, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

@L293D: Yes. West.andrew.g (talk) 14:22, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Two reversions with one click?

Greetings, STiki-ers. When about to welcome a new user, I found they were having some difficulty and posted this thread: Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Apparent_problems_with_STiki. I can't re-create the issue on my machine. Is anyone else experiencing this? Such an error would likely be initiated by GUI latency, or possible hotkey side-effects. Given its probably a local issue, this is going to be very hard to replay/simulate locally. West.andrew.g (talk) 14:45, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

@West.andrew.g: Yes. I had this problem yesterday. I also use Windows 10. I will try seeing if it will work today and I will feedback to you. Pkbwcgs (talk) 16:06, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

It hasn't happened on the first revert but I am monitoring it. I will let you know if there are problems. Pkbwcgs (talk) 16:11, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

@West.andrew.g: I am getting on well with STiki. There seems to be no problems today. I don't know what happened yesterday but it is working fine today. Pkbwcgs (talk) 16:26, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Unfortunately, sometimes, it is still doing two reverts with one click. I don't know why but it could be how hard I am clicking on the button. Pkbwcgs (talk) 16:34, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

@Pkbwcgs: Just as a data point, trying using the hotkeys to classify instead of your mouse. They are described in the documentation. For example pressing the "v" key will classify the current edit as vandalism. Thanks, West.andrew.g (talk) 17:51, 8 March 2018 (UTC)