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US city changes[edit]

Just solving some bias towards state capitals, extreme underrepresentation in specific U.S. states, and the absence of significantly-sized metropolitan areas. Vileplume (talk) 01:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Remove Bismarck, North Dakota or swap with Duluth, Minnesota[edit]

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Not removed 3-0, not swapped 3-2. Makkool (talk) 08:45, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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North Dakota has a population of under 800k and does not need a second city. Meanwhile, Minnesota only has the Twin Cities and this is its next-largest metropolitan area. Vileplume (talk) 01:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Support swap as nom. Vileplume (talk) 01:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 02:49, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support remove --Makkool (talk) 12:25, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Oppose Duluth per discussion closed on January 16. Oppose Bismarck as a non-trivial state capital.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:55, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Oppose swap with Duluth per prior discussion --Makkool (talk) 12:25, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion
  1. Was going to support a swap but Bismarck has 116 interwikis??? They must be doing something right. But I also do like adding Duluth which is a regional economic power in the Great Lakes area. Aurangzebra (talk) 07:29, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Eh, it only has that many interwikis for being a state capital. Montpelier, Vermont has a similar number. Vileplume (talk) 13:36, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Oh didn't notice that. I support swap then. Aurangzebra (talk) 02:48, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Duluth was removed barely 10 days ago. Totalibe (talk) 15:49, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Fair but if Vileplume and I had noticed that thread and voted, it probably wouldn't have passed. Up to Vileplume if they want to withdraw. Aurangzebra (talk) 21:51, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Oh never mind, that thread was before the rule change. Aurangzebra (talk) 21:54, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Carson City, Nevada[edit]

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Removed 4-1. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 06:49, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Metro area and county are coextensive with the city, which is at ~58k. This is a state of 3.1 million and 3 cities we're talking about. Vileplume (talk) 01:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. Vileplume (talk) 01:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support per nom. J947 ‡ edits 02:38, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 07:05, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. definitely. Aurangzebra (talk) 07:26, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. pbp 02:10, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Can you give the reasoning behind your oppose? Vileplume (talk) 02:18, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm not sold on the "this State needs more, this state needs less" line of argument. I also think the Carson city-Virginia City area is historically significant pbp 14:22, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
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Remove Santa Fe, New Mexico[edit]

Withdrawn by nom. Vileplume (talk) 02:47, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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New Mexico has a population of 2.1 million, and 43.6% of that is concentrated in the Albuquerque metropolitan area. Only thing it has going for it is being the oldest state capital. Vileplume (talk) 01:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Weak support as nom. Vileplume (talk) 01:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Been a capital for well over 300 years. More to notability than just population pbp 02:09, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Oppose per pbp. J947 ‡ edits 02:39, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
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Add Augusta, Georgia[edit]

Georgia has a population of 11 million and yet has only two cities listed, the same number as Alaska, one of under three-quarters of a million. Metro population of 624k, certainly enough for V5. I'd also add Columbus. Vileplume (talk) 01:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. Vileplume (talk) 01:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 04:12, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support Augusta, though I would oppose Columbus if it were proposed because its metro population is significantly smaller than both Augusta and Savannah. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 07:04, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Allentown, Pennsylvania[edit]

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Not added 1-4. Makkool (talk) 08:45, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Pennsylvania has a population of 13 million, great historical importance, is itself listed at V4, and yet has only three cities listed, the same number as Connecticut, one of only 3.6 million. Metro population of 871k, certainly enough for V5. This is also the largest city in northern Pennsylvania. In addition to this, I'd also consider adding Reading. Vileplume (talk) 01:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. More vital than Harrisburg imho. Vileplume (talk) 01:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Allentown was removed barely 10 days ago. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Totalibe (talk • contribs) 26 January 2024 (UTC)
  2. Per prior discussion. Consensus could change at some point, but I think it's best to wait a bit. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:16, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per Totalibe-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:20, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per prior discussion --Makkool (talk) 12:25, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
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Add Greenville, South Carolina[edit]

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Not added 1-3. feminist🚰 (talk) 01:17, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Metro area quickly approaching one million. South Carolina's population is high enough for a third city, imho. Vileplume (talk) 01:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. Vileplume (talk) 01:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. All it's got going for it is that its metro area got big in the last 20-30 years. Not as notable as Santa Fe pbp 02:14, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Weak Oppose. Potentially vital but not the first Southern city I would add after Augusta. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 04:11, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Not as vital as some other Southern cities and (particularly) not as vital as some US regions I would add. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 03:34, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion
  1. An alternative addition is Upstate South Carolina, which basically corresponds to Greenville’s CSA and is significantly larger than Greenville’s city proper or its urban area. Vileplume (talk) 14:20, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That could be a good solution, but I'm still not sure this region is as vital as some that are not yet listed. For example, I was thinking about the Fort Lauderdale discussion above and wondering whether including South Florida would be a good way of including a wider area. Although, consensus so far is in favor of keeping Fort Lauderdale which would make such an addition moot. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 16:10, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Swap Brownsville, Texas with McAllen, Texas[edit]

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Not swapped 2-3. Makkool (talk) 08:45, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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McAllen's metro area is quickly approaching 900k. However, it is too close to Brownsville, so I've put it up for removal. Vileplume (talk) 01:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Support addition, weak support removal as nom. Vileplume (talk) 01:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Weak support addition; support removal. J947 ‡ edits 02:44, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Oppose addition, oppose removal. Population isn't everything. Doesn't seem to be anything notable about McAllen besides the fact that it's the 56th largest MSA in the United States. At least Brownsville seems to have a historic legacy. Aurangzebra (talk) 07:22, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. O per Aurangzebra-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:55, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Oppose per above --Makkool (talk) 12:25, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion

They're both notably large but they're also both dependent on their bigger Mexican neighbours: Matamoros, Tamaulipas  5 and Reynosa  5 respectively (though McAllen looks to be significantly less dependent). J947 ‡ edits 02:44, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Swap Chicago Loop with Aurora, Illinois[edit]

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Not swapped 3-3. Makkool (talk) 08:45, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Of all cities to have their central business district listed, why Chicago? Aurora is its largest satellite city, so I've put that up for addition. Vileplume (talk) 01:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. Vileplume (talk) 01:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support removal. The Blue Rider 01:48, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support removal pbp 02:12, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Not a lot of CBDs have the Chicago Board of Trade and Chicago Mercantile Exchange type institutions. Not even Midtown Manhattan has such important global institutions. They have Wall Street  5.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:33, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per Tony. Also, it doubles as a sort of open-air museum: it is well-known for its public sculptures by vital artists such as Pablo Picasso  3, Joan Miró  4, Alexander Calder  5, and Marc Chagall  4. Probably one of the only places in the world where you can see works by this many iconic artists for free outdoors in a confined area. 07:15, 25 January 2024 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aurangzebra (talk • contribs) -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:17, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per Tony. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 07:26, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
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Swap Anaheim, California with San Bernardino, California[edit]

Sorry, I am still learning how talk page discussions work. I think San Bernardino, being the center of the Inland Empire makes it a better inclusion than Anaheim. Since California already has so many cities, I think a swap would be better than an addition. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hwamplero (talk • contribs)

Support
  1. Nom — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hwamplero (talk • contribs)
Oppose
  1. The Inland Empire itself is listed and Orange County merits a city. Anaheim has 340,000 people and one mousepbp 03:11, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. --Thi (talk) 13:41, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 20:38, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Canary Wharf[edit]

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Not added 1-2. 4 participants in discussion. Makkool (talk) 08:45, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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A leading international financial centre, and one of the two central business districts of London  3.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 14:30, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. I think City of London  5 is sufficient to represent London's CBD, especially with City of Westminster  5 also being included. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 15:24, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Hmm I just checked page views, City of Westminster and Canary Wharf receive basically the same number of views, whereas Westminster (not listed at VA5) has somewhat fewer and La Défense has a lot fewer (granted probably because this is the English Wikipedia). There is no geographic overlap between the City of London and Canary Wharf, if that makes any difference. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 15:35, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    For comparison purposes (in terms of how many people are looking things up) pageviews of Westminster and City Of should probably be added together. Totalibe (talk) 15:49, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Feminist: perhaps discuss swapping City of Westminster for Westminster? pbp 14:57, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Not the first district of London that I'd add pbp 14:46, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss
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Alternate proposal: add London Docklands[edit]

More expansive region of Greater London that includes Canary Wharf. Addresses current use as financial center and past use as shipping hub. pbp 14:57, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. nom pbp 14:57, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Not convinced London needs more than two listings. Could potentially support a swap. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 16:11, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion

Swap Fredericton out for Moncton[edit]

Moncton's been NB's largest city since before V5 existed. I think Fredericton would be the most appropriate article to swap out since we only have 42 US state capitals and we can cut a Canadian provincial capital. Canada also looks a bit overrepresented at V5 with 22 cities and a population of 39 million. Vileplume (talk) 02:33, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. Vileplume (talk) 02:33, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 13:58, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. makes sense Aurangzebra (talk) 21:57, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Oppose removal, support addition - We are under quota in Cities and Fredericton seems important in its own right (as the cultural, educational and administrative center of the province). --Makkool (talk) 12:34, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    New Brunswick has a population of under 900k, and Saint John is much more important than Fredericton, so it and Moncton should be NB’s two representatives at V5. Vileplume (talk) 13:11, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't doubt that Saint John is important too. Why can't we have three cities for New Brunswick? -Makkool (talk) 14:46, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Q3 2023 population ~843k. Quebec’s three largest cities are all larger than any of NB’s, yet Sherbrooke is not V5. Vileplume (talk) 15:12, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion

Add Primate city[edit]

A general city-related topic that seems vital. Would fit well next to capital city. --Makkool (talk) 17:33, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. --Makkool (talk) 17:33, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. SailorGardevoir (talk) 21:48, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Add decades of the 19th century[edit]

I don't know if this will be a popular opinion, but we could possibly discuss whether to extend the decades we list to the 19th century since we now list all the decades of the 20th and 21st century. We don't have to include all the decades, just the ones that are important. Interstellarity (talk) 01:53, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
Oppose
  1. Vileplume (talk) 17:31, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion

Add Mobile, Alabama[edit]

Alabama's second-largest city and a major port on the Gulf Coast (twelfth-largest in the U.S.). It was also a key center of French colonization and played a major role in the Civil War.

Support
  1. As nom. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 16:08, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 10:41, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support, the second largest city warrants a place --Makkool (talk) 12:34, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    City proper is not the best metric. In metro population, it’s Birmingham, Huntsville, Mobile, and Montgomery. Vileplume (talk) 13:15, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Too many US cities of regional importance only. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:02, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
  1. This is a V5-ish city of importance, but Alabama only has a population of 5 million inhabitants and 4 major cities, so I'd only support this if we removed Montgomery or Tuskegee. Sarasota is also over twice as large and not listed. Vileplume (talk) 17:24, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I considered proposing a swap, but both Montgomery and Tuskegee were proposed for removal recently and kept with strong opposition to removing. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 19:02, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion

Add Public toilet[edit]

A common fixture in cities worldwide, and increasing in importance.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 10:38, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. In Technology. Vileplume (talk) 13:25, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Definitely vital, but @Feminist: why is this under Cities? QuicoleJR (talk) 13:30, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Because the “public” part is what differentiates the topic from the toilet apparatus itself, I see this as an urban studies and planning topic, hence under Cities. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 17:12, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nom Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 08:32, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Of course. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:26, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:40, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Support Gizza (talk) 01:15, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add British Hong Kong[edit]

We list Handover of Hong Kong  5 and we just added Portuguese Macau  5. If we list Portuguese Macau, we should list British Hong Kong as well. British Hong Kong marked the end of the British Empire  3, just as Portuguese Macau marked the end of the Portuguese Empire  4.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 04:03, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    For the record, oppose removal of handover given that we are below quota in the History section. feminist🚰 (talk) 06:41, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support swap with the handover article. The Blue Rider 23:24, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Agreed. Not too hot on removing handover, but if we are over quota, weak support for swap. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:27, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 08:13, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Iostn (talk) 21:45, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:41, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 19:53, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Remove El Hierro  5 and La Gomera  5[edit]

These two are the smallest and least-populous of the seven Canary Islands.

Support
  1. Remove both, as nominator. feminist🚰 (talk) 07:41, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Agreed, and would likely consider removal of few more; looking at the list, some are famous enough for V5, sure, but not all. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:29, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:11, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support both: Why not, as we did remove some of the least populated Hawaiian islands. --Makkool (talk) 12:34, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Algarve[edit]

Although Lisbon surpasses the Algarve in terms of tourism revenue, the Algarve is still, overall, considered to be the biggest and most important Portuguese tourist region, having received an estimated total of 4.2 million tourists in 2017.

Support
  1. As nominator. It's a tossup between this and Faro, Portugal for me; page views for both are similar, with a slight edge for Algarve. feminist🚰 (talk) 14:25, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Certainly more vital than many of the random subdivisions we have. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 16:23, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Would list this over Faro. Vileplume (talk) 18:17, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 19:23, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. pbp 19:21, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Recently it has been pretty touristic but is it going to held in the long-term? Not a vital region, in my opinion. The Blue Rider 21:05, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The region was also historically a separate kingdom, and it maintains a distinct regional identity apart from the wider Portuguese one. I would much rather have broader regions like the Algarve than political entities like first-level subdivisions that could change. Presidentman talk ·contribs (Talkback) 16:32, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    An insignificant kingdom that was not separate of the Kingdom of Portugal, so insignificant that portuguese people don't even study it at school. It does not maintain a distinct identity, Portugal is pretty homogenous culturally. The Blue Rider 20:58, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per Blue Rider --Makkool (talk) 12:34, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Add Inca Civil War[edit]

Very important to the History of Peru  4 as a major cause of the fall of the Inca Empire  3. Rated High-Importance by WikiProject Peru.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:35, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. It's good to have a few articles on pre-Columbian history that go beyond ethnicities and states. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 17:14, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Iostn (talk) 21:45, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 13:15, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Support good find. Gizza (talk) 01:16, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 04:12, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Israel–Hamas war[edit]

It's already one of the deadliest, bitterest conflicts of the 21st century. It has received enormous international attention, but unfortunately not enough of a coordinated response to stop it. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 19:03, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 19:03, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Very major war. @OhnoitsvileplumeXD: I feel like recentism is being fought a little too hard here, since it has already beaten some events we do list in terms of impact and death count. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:21, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. This is already much more impactful than the already listed 2014 Gaza War  5 Iostn (talk) 21:45, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. I would support a swap with 2014 Gaza War  5. Interstellarity (talk) 00:28, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 10:32, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 20:22, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Support per above. J947 ‡ edits 20:54, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Swap with 2014 Gaza War. Vileplume (talk) 09:31, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  9. The odds in few years or decadees it will be declared insiginificant are very low. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:22, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  10. Swap with 2014 Gaza War. Gizza (talk) 01:20, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose

WP:TOOSOON. I may change my mind in a month or two, but for now, I'll oppose. Vileplume (talk) 20:12, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  1. pbp 16:59, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Weak oppose not a major war by most measures. I want to wait to see which impact it will in the international relations. The Blue Rider 16:40, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Weak oppose Maybe still WP:TOOSOON-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:13, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion

Add Volcanic winter of 536[edit]

"the most severe and protracted episode of climatic cooling in the Northern Hemisphere in the last 2,000 years."

Support
  1. Nom. Iostn (talk) 22:07, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Seems important enough. QuicoleJR (talk) 23:27, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Could probably make V4. Vileplume (talk) 01:00, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support Good anti-recentist catch.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 07:28, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:14, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add 1883 eruption of Krakatoa[edit]

One of the most destructive and arguably one of the most well-known volcanic eruptions of all time.

Support
  1. Nom. Iostn (talk) 22:07, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. The eruption that destroyed nearly the entire island of Krakatoa is pretty important. Surprised it wasn't listed yet. QuicoleJR (talk) 23:29, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support Famous historical eruption.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 07:31, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 08:13, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. SailorGardevoir (talk) 20:00, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:22, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Vileplume (talk) 02:00, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Religious violence in India[edit]

A very overlooked yet very costly intermittent conflict

Support
  1. Nom. Iostn (talk) 22:07, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. If it was in US, it would be V4 already. Sigh. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:21, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 01:30, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. SailorGardevoir (talk) 01:08, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Swap Telegramgate  5 for 2019–2022 Chilean protests[edit]

Latter was much more impactful and important for Chile than the former was for Puerto Rico.

Support
  1. Nom. Iostn (talk) 22:07, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. feminist🩸 (talk) 08:56, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 10:33, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. SailorGardevoir (talk) 01:09, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add 1906 San Francisco earthquake[edit]

I'm surprised that this wasn't listed yet. This earthquake and the subsequent fires destroyed over 80% of the city of San Francisco  4, and it was the deadliest earthquake in the history of the United States. 47 interwikis, rated High-Importance by WikiProject Geology and Top-Importance by WikiProject Earthquakes and WikiProject California.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:38, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 04:27, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. That’s a bad omission. SailorGardevoir (talk) 19:47, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. pbp 03:43, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:11, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Iostn (talk) 17:01, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Per nom. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:23, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Vileplume (talk) 02:19, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Young Turk Revolution[edit]

Because this event actually greatly influenced Muslims in other countries, it is definitely vital at this level. RekishiEJ (talk) 17:29, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom.--RekishiEJ (talk) 02:47, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Another bad omission. SailorGardevoir (talk) 19:48, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. I would support this just for the relevance to the Ottomans. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:30, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 04:11, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:12, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 20:08, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Iostn (talk) 17:01, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Vileplume (talk) 02:18, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add First Balkan War and Second Balkan War[edit]

Because Balkan Wars is now listed at Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/4/History, it is logical to list these two sub-topics at the level 5 counterpart. RekishiEJ (talk) 17:39, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom.--RekishiEJ (talk) 02:47, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom. SailorGardevoir (talk) 19:49, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makes sense. @RekishiEJ: You are supposed to add yourself to the Support section as the nominator. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:27, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 04:13, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:11, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Both are vital at this level. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:18, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Iostn (talk) 17:01, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Vileplume (talk) 02:18, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Gulf of Ob[edit]

The world's longest estuary deserves a place on this list. It has most certainly made a more significant global impact than most of the Arctic islands we list simply for being large by land area. Vileplume (talk) 01:44, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. Vileplume (talk) 01:44, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support per nom. J947 ‡ edits 03:28, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Yeah, that makes sense. QuicoleJR (talk) 12:54, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 18:57, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Support per nom. Gizza (talk) 01:23, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Remove Apodaca, Chimalhuacán and Tlaquepaque. Add Cuernavaca[edit]

The proposed removals are medium-sized cities located within the metropolitan areas of Monterrey  4, Mexico City  3 and Guadalajara  4 respectively. Cuernavaca is the 16th largest metro area in a country of 130M, noted for its history, architecture, and festivals. It is where the Palace of Cortés is located, the setting of Under the Volcano.

Support
  1. Support as nom. :Tabu Makiadi (talk) 18:51, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Vileplume (talk) 21:07, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. --Makkool (talk) 12:34, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion
  1. How many cities of over a million are we missing? Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 11:16, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Remove Prince of Wales Island (Nunavut)  5[edit]

Uninhabited island listed only for being large, and 40th largest in the world and 10th largest in Canada is not very impressive. This archipelago already has roughly 12 listings, and this is the smallest of them.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:18, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Vileplume (talk) 12:38, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. A large island visible on most world maps and globes. --Makkool (talk) 12:34, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Makkool: Sure, it's big, but it has little to no importance outside of that. Nobody even lives on it. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:13, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm not convinced that population is the only grounds for vitality. We list 446 islands, and it's easily among the most vital islands for Wikipedia in that range. --Makkool (talk) 14:46, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Add Barbarian[edit]

A major concept in history, for better or worse.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 16:15, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 17:57, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:51, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 15:33, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Also in popculture. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:08, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Vileplume (talk) 22:41, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Definitely vital. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:14, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  8. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:25, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Viceroyalty of New Granada[edit]

47 interwikis. Encompasses much of the colonial history of Colombia, Venezuela, Ecuador and Panama.

Support
  1. As nominator.:Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:50, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Pretty important. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:43, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 23:28, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 06:41, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 19:13, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Vileplume (talk) 22:46, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Add Viceroyalty of the Río de la Plata[edit]

44 interwikis. Encompasses much of the colonial history of Argentina, Chile, Uruguay, Bolivia and Paraguay.

Support
  1. As nominator.:Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:50, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Pretty important. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:42, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 23:28, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 06:41, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 19:13, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Vileplume (talk) 22:46, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Add New France[edit]

A major part of North American, and French colonial history. --Makkool (talk) 12:14, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. --Makkool (talk) 12:14, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Pretty important. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:41, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Our coverage of North American colonization is too heavily tilted towards English colonization. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 23:26, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 19:14, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Vileplume (talk) 22:29, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Add Battle of Guilford Court House[edit]

The American Revolutionary War  4 could definitely use more than 3 battles when the Civil War has 16. This battle had major effects on the war, led to the Siege of Yorktown  5 which ended the war, became the first American Revolution battle to have its battlefield preserved by the National Park Service, and it even has a town in New Hampshire named after it!

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:51, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support as a swap with some Civil War battle, 16 is way too many. Oppose otherwise. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:11, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Which battle would you suggest removing? QuicoleJR (talk) 13:56, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. 16 Civil War battles is too many but the Civil War was still fought on a greater order of magnitude than the American Revolutionary War. (The biggest Civil War battles killed more than the entire Revolution). And if we added another American Revolutionary War battle, I'd add Trenton or Brandywine before this one. pbp 12:51, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Various history proposals[edit]

Add Soweto uprising[edit]

This was a major turning point in the history of apartheid, as it marks both the beginning of increased international isolation (including by Western countries) and internal unrest which was increasingly unmanageable in the 1980s (which was when the government made its first milquetoast attempts at reform).

Support
  1. As nom Iostn (talk) 17:01, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:13, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Why Soweto  5 is V5. Vileplume (talk) 02:21, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. SailorGardevoir (talk) 07:47, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 01:21, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Negotiations to end apartheid in South Africa[edit]

The only thing I will say is that you could argue for 1994 South African general election to be listed instead (there don't even seem to be any individual elections listed interestingly) but this has broader scope.

Support
  1. As nom Iostn (talk) 17:01, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:38, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Too specific. The Blue Rider 17:13, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't really see how this is "specific", given it encompasses most of the early 1990s in South Africa, and aside from the negotiation process itself it also refers both to a political transition and a specific period of internal conflict between rival factions that was quite distinct from the majority of apartheid (more on this is detailed in the article, but to give just one out of many examples, you had several high-profile attacks involving the Afrikaner Weerstandsbeweging). The ultimate success of a peaceful transition of power in spite of this is a big part of how Nelson Mandela  3 became one of the most revered political figures of the 20th century. Iostn (talk) 23:40, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. If Soweto uprising is added, I think that would be sufficient. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:14, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per Presidentman. SailorGardevoir (talk) 07:47, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per presidentman Aurangzebra (talk) 01:21, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

To be clear, this article is essentially synonymous with "end of apartheid", or as close to an article as there is on that. The Soweto uprising was fourteen years before this specific period which lasted from 1990 to 1994. Iostn (talk) 20:27, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add 1960 Valdivia earthquake[edit]

Most powerful earthquake ever by recorded magnitude.

Support
  1. As nom Iostn (talk) 17:01, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. The WikiProjects see this as very important. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:42, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:12, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Is there a reason why we’re lacking in the infamous earthquake department?
  5. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 01:21, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Vileplume (talk) 22:35, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Great Railroad Strike of 1877[edit]

One of the biggest labour revolts of the 19th century, that hasn't been surpassed often in scale.

Support
  1. As nom Iostn (talk) 17:01, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. SailorGardevoir (talk) 07:47, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 01:21, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 01:49, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 09:40, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add New Left[edit]

Important political movement to discuss in the context of the Counterculture of the 1960s  5 and Protests of 1968  5, including its influence since.

Support
  1. As nom Iostn (talk) 17:01, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. SailorGardevoir (talk) 07:47, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 01:21, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 01:49, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 09:40, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Swap 2016–2017 Zimbabwe protests  5 for Hyperinflation in Zimbabwe[edit]

Listing the protests leading up to the 2017 Zimbabwean coup d'état  5 (when they aren't that distinctive enough in their own right) feels rather redundant when they aren't super distintive in their own right, so swapping with another important Zimbabwean event.

Support
  1. As nom Iostn (talk) 17:01, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 19:12, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. SailorGardevoir (talk) 07:47, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 01:21, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 09:39, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Stolen Generations[edit]

Mentioned this before but I'd argue this is one of the most important listings for Australian in the 20th century.

Support
  1. As nom Iostn (talk) 17:01, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. SailorGardevoir (talk) 07:47, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 01:21, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 01:50, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 09:38, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose

Add Acadia[edit]

Possibly a sub-proposal to New France above, but this produced a distinct Francophone cultural/ethnic identity that persist to this day.

Support
  1. As nom Iostn (talk) 17:01, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. SailorGardevoir (talk) 07:47, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 01:21, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Makkool (talk) 18:46, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Anti-communist mass killings[edit]

This happened numerous times in the 20th century. We already list Dirty War  5, Indonesian mass killings of 1965–66  5, White Terror (Taiwan)  5 and White Terror (Spain)  5.

Support
  1. As nom Iostn (talk) 17:01, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. SailorGardevoir (talk) 07:47, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 01:21, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Makkool (talk) 18:46, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Belle Époque[edit]

Important concept in 19th century historiography.

Support
  1. As nom Iostn (talk) 17:01, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. SailorGardevoir (talk) 07:47, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. J947 ‡ edits 23:44, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 05:11, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 01:21, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Vileplume (talk) 15:16, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  7. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:30, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Swap Prelude to the Russian invasion of Ukraine for War crimes in the Russian invasion of Ukraine[edit]

I don't really see why the build-up to the invasion itself is vital as a separate article. The war crimes committed seem like a much more important topic to focus on.

Support
  1. As nom Iostn (talk) 17:01, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support removal. The Blue Rider 17:13, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support removal Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:22, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Removal only. Per The Blue Rider. SailorGardevoir (talk) 07:47, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Support removal only per The Blue Rider. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 05:10, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Support removal Vileplume (talk) 22:49, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Oppose addition. Let's not make what is a smallish war by most measures overrepresented. The Blue Rider 17:13, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Oppose addition per The Blue Rider. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 05:10, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Add Classic Maya collapse[edit]

Major phase in Mesoamerican history.

Support
  1. As nom Iostn (talk) 17:01, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:10, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. SailorGardevoir (talk) 07:47, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 01:21, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Good find. Gizza (talk) 22:56, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 09:32, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Optimates and populares[edit]

Major factions in the Roman Republic  4, important in political history in that they are often considered a precursor to modern political parties.

Support
  1. Nom Iostn (talk) 20:27, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Weak support. J947 ‡ edits 05:06, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. SailorGardevoir (talk) 01:12, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Makkool (talk) 18:46, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Historical negationism[edit]

Unfortuantly an ever-present issue in the study of history

Support
  1. Nom Iostn (talk) 20:27, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sadly, this is vital. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:17, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. SailorGardevoir (talk) 01:13, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Makkool (talk) 18:46, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add 8888 Uprising[edit]

Major event in modern Burmese history, even if it only resulted in a new junta.

Support
  1. Nom Iostn (talk) 20:27, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Rated High-Importance by WikiProject Myanmar, WikiProject Socialism, and WikiProject Human Rights. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:53, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 01:52, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. SailorGardevoir (talk) 01:13, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 12:54, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Swap 2014 NPCSC Decision on Hong Kong for Hong Kong–Mainland China conflict[edit]

A broader article on this conflict is more important than the article on one specific political decision that was part of it.

Support
  1. Nom Iostn (talk) 20:27, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support removal. The Blue Rider 20:55, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Oppose adittion. Pretty minor conflict, besides we already list the protests, 2019–2020 Hong Kong protests  5. The Blue Rider 20:52, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I actually proposed this over the smaller 2014 Hong Kong protests (2019 was not the beginning or end of this) deliberately as I felt it would be best to encompass those and others more broadly in a generalized overview of political tensions, I wouldn't be opposed to a similar Taiwan article either. Iostn (talk) 17:18, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Add Pink tide[edit]

Major 2000s political phenomenon across Latin America.

Support
  1. Nom Iostn (talk) 20:27, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss
  • Hmmm, I've thought about this one too. Not sure the concept is that used in the academy or even popularly; the few interwiki links seem to suggest that no. The Blue Rider 20:55, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Spanish Florida[edit]

Very important colony that existed for hundreds of years, was the first major European land claim on the continent, and once controlled a sizable portion of the Southeastern United States.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:09, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 18:03, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 19:12, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. England/GB should not have most of the articles on colonies in the Americas. Vileplume (talk) 02:24, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 21:07, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Lot of history.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:34, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Some colonies proposals[edit]

Add Colonial Brazil[edit]

The largest, most profitable and influential Portuguese colony; it lasted many centuries and dictated the foreign policy of the Portuguese Empire for many decades. Its establishment marked the beggining of European colonization in the Americas, as well as being the biggest reciever of the Trans-Atlantic slave trade. As a major trade hub, it fueled Europe's Industrial Revolution with its resources and labor force. To omit Colonial Brazil from vital articles is to overlook a pivotal chapter in human history. The Blue Rider 19:40, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 19:40, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Strong support. Vileplume (talk) 02:44, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Very historically important. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:45, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nom. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:19, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Support Gizza (talk) 22:58, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 07:16, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  7. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:40, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Dutch West India Company[edit]

Perhaps not as influential as its counterpart, Dutch East India Company, but still a important for the Dutch colonization, some of them still last today (ABC islands, Sint Martin, etc). The Blue Rider 19:40, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 19:40, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. The Dutch Caribbean is certainly more vital than the seven Lesser Antillean nations. I was the nom of Willemstad  5. Vileplume (talk) 02:43, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Seems decently important. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:47, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 07:16, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add French Equatorial Africa[edit]

Similar in importance compared to French West Africa. The Blue Rider 19:40, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 19:40, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Weak support; its population was nowhere near that of FWA. Vileplume (talk) 02:29, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Not quite as important as French West Africa  5, but definitely worth including. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:49, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 07:16, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Darfur genocide[edit]

The article describes it as the first genocide of the 21st century, which has been ongoing since 2003. It led to international outcry and eventually prosecutions in the ICC. (Note that the larger article on the War in Darfur  5 is listed, but I feel the genocide on its own its vital enough at this level).

Support
  1. As nom. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:18, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Well beyond many events we list; 80-400k is certainly enough. Vileplume (talk) 02:31, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 04:35, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. SailorGardevoir (talk) 01:13, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Mount Edziza[edit]

I've greatly expanded and improved the Mount Edziza article just recently which is about one of the highest volcanoes in Canada and one of the major volcanoes in British Columbia, as well as one of its most active volcanoes. Volcanoguy 18:17, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. Volcanoguy 18:17, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Weak support per nominator. The Blue Rider 20:08, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. The nominator's proposal to add Mount Edziza volcanic complex looks likely to pass, so I do not see why this article would be needed as well. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:27, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    By that logic vital articles about mountains shouldn't be vital in mountain ranges that are vital (e.g. Mount Baker, Mount Rainier, Mount Shasta, Mount St. Helens, Mount Adams are in the Cascade Range which is a level-5 vital article. Also note in my proposal to add Mount Edziza volcanic complex a user claimed that we are still under quota in physical geography which I agree. There seems to be a bias towards articles relating to humans. Volcanoguy 19:16, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Or Mauna Loa, Mauna Kea and Kīlauea which are on Hawaii, a level-5 vital article. Volcanoguy 19:33, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. This doesn't seem vital enough to be listed alongside the larger volcanic complex. --Makkool (talk) 12:34, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Makkool: Yet the Spectrum Range is? You claimed in the other proposal that you didn't see why Spectrum Range couldn't stay along the volcanic complex article. I could argue Mount Edziza is more geologically important than the Spectrum Range, being the site of more recent volcanic activity. Volcanoguy 17:41, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I just don't think we should list both the volcanic complex and its highest peak in this case. Besides, this project's consensus has been that recentism should be avoided when choosing articles. --Makkool (talk) 17:54, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Makkool: As pointed out above, why shouldn't the highest peak be listed alongside the volcanic complex if Mount Rainier and Mauna Kea are listed? Mount Rainier is the highest point of the Cascade Range and Mauna Kea is the highest point of the island of Hawaii. How doesn't Mount Edziza seem vital enough to be listed alongside the larger volcanic complex? It's almost just as long as the volcanic complex article and the other articles listed here, which means that they are all highly notable topics. I don't see how the project's anti-recentism has anything to do with this since it seems to be for individuals rather than landforms. Even so, Mount Edziza is slightly over one million years old while the other volcanoes listed here are no more than a million years old so that argument doesn't hold up. Volcanoguy 17:07, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Recent volcanic activity, or the length of the article are not things that would support including it in the list for me. Mount Rainier and Mauna Kea are notable for other things than just being the highest peak of their respective mountain ranges. EDIT: Edziza isn't the hightest peak of British Columbia for example. --Makkool (talk) 17:24, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss
  • Besides the -est' and most', why is it important? Be it geologically, environmentally, or even culturally. The Blue Rider 18:23, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @The Blue Rider: I would say it has geological significance since it's one of the most widespread areas of recent volcanism in Canada. The mountain and the surrounding area were established as a provincial park in 1972 to preserve the volcanic landscape. As for culture, Mount Edziza is sacred to the local Tahltan people as it was a source of obsidian. It provided them with weaponry, tools and trading goods that ensured they could thrive for thousands of years. Mount Edziza obsidian has been found outside Tahltan territory. Volcanoguy 19:55, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Remove Blida  5[edit]

Being one of the 58 provincial capitals in Algeria does not make a city vital. Population is not that high and there is not very much historical importance. All it has going for it is having the home stadium for the Algeria national football team, which is not vital. It is also very close to the capital, further decreasing its vitality. Decent number of interwikis, but that is likely for the same reason as the U.S. state capitals. Overall, this city just doesn't have enough going for it to make the list.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:20, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I would support either of the swaps listed below. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:29, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Would support a swap with Tlemcen or Bejaia. --Makkool (talk) 12:34, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. 10 cities for Algeria seems about right ratio-wise and in general, I'm inclined to oppose any city removal unless it's blatantly obvious it shouldn't be included because we are actually under-quota for Cities. However, I would support a swap with either Tlemcen (former capital of Medieval Muslim Algeria, more populous, other important historical events) or Béjaïa (largest city in Kabylia which is a region of Algeria that is large enough, culturally unique enough, and significant enough to the history of Algeria that it should also be at VA5 imo, 6th largest port on the Mediterranean, more populous). Aurangzebra (talk) 17:43, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Weak oppose per Aurangzebra, although I would support either of the swaps. Vileplume (talk) 22:27, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss
  • Bilda is the fourth largest city of Algeria, Sidi Bel Abbès  5 seems like a better removal. The Blue Rider 18:28, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Strangely, that metric at list of cities in Algeria shows the population of Blida as over 100k more than the article on Blida does, despite being only four years older. Blida has the lowest population among the listed cities going by what the infoboxes in the articles say. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:07, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Allied-occupied Germany[edit]

A relatively short-lived but deeply contentious occupation that defined the status quo of postwar Europe.

Support
  1. As nominator.:Tabu Makiadi (talk) 18:49, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Short-lived.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:42, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion
  • West Germany  5 and East Germany  5 are already listed, I think that sufficiently covers it, no? The Blue Rider 21:50, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Both of those states were formed after the direct occupation/administration period, which is what this article is focused on Iostn (talk) 16:33, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    West and East Germany are concepts that were created during the allied-occupied Germany, not just after it. The Blue Rider 18:00, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Sino-Indian War[edit]

This war saw direct confrontation between the world's two most populous countries. As both states have risen politically and economically, its salience remains important in geopolitics. For instance, during the 2020–2021 China–India skirmishes and the broader Sino-Indian border dispute.

Support
  1. As nominator.:Tabu Makiadi (talk) 18:49, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support surprised it was missing. I almost consider it Level 4 vital. Gizza (talk) 22:59, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 00:40, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. SailorGardevoir (talk) 01:14, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Add History of Go[edit]

Go (game)  4 is VA4 and has been around for over two millennia, and the History of Games section is way too sports-based. The only other board game history article we have listed currently is History of chess  5, and I think that there is room for a second one.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:27, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. I'm aware that History of gambling does not exist as an article, but it would be the first "history of [game]" topic I'd want to add to the list if it does. I feel like "the most important game for which we have a separate History article on" is not a very good reason to include it, because it probably excludes more important topics which should be added first. I also think sports in general are more popular than games globally, and the greater element of competition in these sports means they have had a more developed history. The average Chinese person probably cares a lot more about, say, the China women's national volleyball team than they care about the game of Go, despite Go being strongly associated with China. feminist🩸 (talk) 15:12, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss
  • I beliebe mancala is older and played more. The Blue Rider 00:30, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    History of mancala does not exist as an article. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:09, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm not convinced that "history of [recreational item]" is a particularly important class of articles for us to include on this list. Most articles on entertainment and recreation topics are not long enough to warrant splitting out its History section into a separate article. Our article on Doll  4 for example is mostly about the history of dolls, which is fine – there is no issue with not having History of dolls as a separate article, nor is the lack of inclusion of such an article on the V5 list a sign that we don't regard it as an important topic. feminist🩸 (talk) 15:18, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Swap Tigrayan peace process  5 with Battle of Adwa[edit]

Even if lasting peace takes place, I am not sure we need two vital articles to cover the Tigray War  5. The Battle of Adwa, on the other hand, is a very important event in Ethiopian history. It is the culminating battle of the First Italo-Ethiopian War  5, a symbol of Pan-Africanism  5, and secured Ethiopia’s independence until the Second Italo-Ethiopian War  4.

Support
  1. As nominator.:Tabu Makiadi (talk) 19:04, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 23:19, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 10:56, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. SailorGardevoir (talk) 01:15, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Add Mdina[edit]

Mdina, Malta holds significant historical importance for the country of Malta:

Support
  1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 00:33, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:51, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. I think we Valletta is enough for Malta, for country with that low population. Makkool (talk) 12:22, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss
  • Yes, the current population is only of a few hundreds but historically it had an higher population comparatively to the rest of the country. The Blue Rider 00:39, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, but most would ignore current population for historical settlements. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 01:29, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add 1815 eruption of Mount Tambora[edit]

Per our recent additions of natural disasters, this is "the most powerful volcanic eruption in recorded human history" and the most likely reason for the Year Without a Summer. Estimates suggest it is also the deadliest volcano eruption in history, directly causing over 71,000 deaths.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 03:08, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makes sense. Year Without a Summer should also be listed. QuicoleJR (talk) 12:02, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 06:21, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:11, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add East Berlin[edit]

Capital of East Germany  5, this division is still visible in today's Berlin. The Blue Rider 19:19, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 19:19, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support --Makkool (talk) 19:37, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 20:20, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. SailorGardevoir (talk) 01:21, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Bible Belt[edit]

Equally important to Sun Belt  5, which got enough support to be added.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 10:45, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Much better known concept than many geographical topics we list like minor cities or islands. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:16, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. SailorGardevoir (talk) 01:22, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:45, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Arguably more important than Sun Belt. Gizza (talk) 01:39, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Remove History of Australian rules football  5 and History of hurling  5[edit]

Given the low pageviews and interwikis, we may have too many History of sports articles (28). We recently voted to remove History of rodeo, and these are roughly similar in terms of significance, not to mention that Hurling  5 is only V5.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 21:49, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 00:01, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support histories of sports popular in one country (especially countries with medium or small populations) are not vital in a list of 50,000. Gizza (talk) 00:09, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per everyone above. Aurangzebra (talk) 05:34, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. The hurling article obviously needs to go, and I don't think we need the history of Australian football on here either, since it is only popular in Australia. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:29, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Remove History of lacrosse  5 and History of water polo  5[edit]

Same rationale as above.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 21:49, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. As someone who has done water polo it saddens me to remove this article but it is a rather niche sport. Support per nominator. The Blue Rider 23:23, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 00:01, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support per above. Gizza (talk) 00:10, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 05:35, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 00:43, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Swap Bratsk  5 with Novokuznetsk[edit]

Bratsk is already covered by Irkutsk  5 and Irkutsk Oblast  5. Novokuznetsk, on the other hand, is a major coal mining and industrial centre and has the 16th highest GMP of all Russian cities. Up until recently, it had a higher population than Kemerovo  5. It feels odd excluding it from a list of 6 cities in the Siberian Federal District, let alone 12. Compared to Bratsk, Novo has slightly more interwikis, double the English and Russian pageviews, and 2.4 times the population. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 22:27, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 22:27, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Bratsk has 53 daily page views, which quite low. Makkool (talk) 12:19, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Treaty of Trianon[edit]

Had a profound impact on Central and Eastern Europe. The loss of about two-thirds of Hungary's pre-war landmass and population fueled nationalist sentiments and political instability, while internationally, it solidified the post-WWI order, leading to the creation or enlargement of Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Austria and Romania.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 15:19, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Remove 2012 Benghazi attack  5[edit]

I know this is sometimes mentioned in the U.S. media, but I am not sure it is so important to world history. We have 7 vital articles covering the Libyan Crisis (2011–present)  5, which I think is a recentist bias for a V5 conflict.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 15:29, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. SailorGardevoir (talk) 01:16, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Does not seem vital. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:01, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Remove Factional violence in Libya (2011–2014)  5[edit]

Same reasoning as above.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 15:35, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per above. Gizza (talk) 01:37, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Trinity (nuclear test)[edit]

Important subtopic of the Manhattan Project. Interstellarity (talk) 13:42, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 13:42, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Remove Poisoning of Alexander Litvinenko  5 and Poisoning of Alexei Navalny  5, add Khrushchev Thaw[edit]

In both of these cases, we already list Alexander Litvinenko  5 and Alexei Navalny  5 mostly making these redundant. In any cases, we have an overrepresentation of post-Soviet Russia where Khrushchev Thaw, which encompasses a key period marking a diversion from Stalinism in the Soviet Union, isn't listed.

Support
  1. Nom Iostn (talk) 19:40, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Due to Navalny's recent passing, this may be unfortunately timed but I agree. Contemporary Russia does not merit such detailed coverage. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 07:14, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Gizza (talk) 05:18, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. SailorGardevoir (talk) 01:23, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Address[edit]

Notable omission. Interstellarity (talk) 20:07, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 20:07, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Extremely common in today's world. starship.paint (RUN) 01:14, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 09:23, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Obviously. QuicoleJR (talk) 00:30, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. 44 interwikis. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 03:58, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:46, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Political history of the world[edit]

We list the academic field, but not the actual political history. Interstellarity (talk) 01:50, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 01:50, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 01:59, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Gizza (talk)01:47, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Temperance movement and Teetotalism[edit]

Surprised these are not listed. Abstaining from alcohol is an important concept. Interstellarity (talk) 13:50, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 13:50, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support temperance movement. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 07:14, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. --Thi (talk) 13:43, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Early modern history additions[edit]

Add Great Fire of London[edit]

This maybe Anglo bias, but I am genuinely surprised this isn't already listed. Nearly everyone in the UK has heard of it.

Support
  1. As nom. Iostn (talk) 12:41, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 20:51, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. I'm not near the UK and I've heard of it too... starship.paint (RUN) 14:43, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 07:15, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. What is with us not having natural disasters? SailorGardevoir (talk) 22:23, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 01:08, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  7. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:46, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Add St. Bartholomew's Day massacre[edit]

Both of the parent topics for this, French Wars of Religion  4 and Huguenots  4, are VA4, not to mention this has more interwikis than the former.

Support
  1. As nom. Iostn (talk) 12:41, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 20:54, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 07:15, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. SailorGardevoir (talk) 22:23, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 01:09, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Add Shimabara Rebellion[edit]

An important event in the early Edo period  4, that had long-lasting ramifications for the Sakoku  5 policy and Christianity in Japan. Amakusa Shirō  5 is already a VA.

Support
  1. As nom. Iostn (talk) 12:41, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 20:54, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 07:15, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. SailorGardevoir (talk) 22:23, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 17:08, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Add Rustenburg[edit]

One of the major cities of South Africa, with a population of over 600,000 - larger than Kimberley, Northern Cape  5, Polokwane  5 and Mbombela  5.

Support
  1. As nom. Iostn (talk) 12:42, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 20:57, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. 62 interwikis, but 194 dailies is not a lot. Cities of this size should usually be vital at this level, so I’ll support for now. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 22:00, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Kimberley is at 72-379, Polokwane is at 74-218, and Mbombela is at 70-206. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 23:03, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. SailorGardevoir (talk) 01:16, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Per low view count. Besides being the most populous city of its province, it doesn't seem to have any particular grounds for vitality. Makkool (talk) 12:19, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Remove some historical cities stubs[edit]

Since I'm here, I took a look at the stub-rated articles, and I got to be honest, I don't think these articles are ever going to improve.

Remove Nagasaki foreign settlement  5[edit]

It's not even its own article in Japanese Wikipedia.

Support
  1. SailorGardevoir (talk) 20:17, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. 2 iwikis, 5 dailies. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 21:34, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support swap with Dejima. The Blue Rider 22:18, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Remove per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:31, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 18:31, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Remove Sukhothai (city)  5[edit]

This is apparently a World Heritage Site, yet despite being written in 2004, it has only gained a couple of paragraphs.

Support
  1. SailorGardevoir (talk) 20:17, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. 4 iwikis (Thai not being one of them), 23 dailies. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 21:36, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per above. starship.paint (RUN) 13:31, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 18:31, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

I would support a swap with Sukhothai Historical Park which refers to the UNESCO World Heritage Site. Gizza (talk) 05:08, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Remove Talianki (archaeological site)  5[edit]

Both projects it's in rate the article as low importance.

Support
  1. SailorGardevoir (talk) 20:17, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. 4 iwikis, 23 dailies. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 21:55, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per above. starship.paint (RUN) 13:31, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss
  1. I don't know about this. The article says that it is thought to be "currently the largest known settlement in Neolithic Europe". Could the article's importance rating be misjudged? Makkool (talk) 21:50, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Remove Onondaga (village)  5[edit]

This article doesn't even have fifty edits.

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  1. SailorGardevoir (talk) 20:17, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. 4 iwikis, 50 dailies. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 22:06, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per above. starship.paint (RUN) 13:31, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 18:31, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add 1948 Palestinian expulsion and flight and Nakba under 1948 Arab–Israeli War[edit]

The Nakba refers to the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians that fractured their culture and society. The entire Israel-Palestine conflict can be traced back to this event. The 1948 Palestinian expulsion article refers to the broader exodus in the aftermath of the war, so I think that the Nakba article should go below the expulsion article, and the expulsion should go under the 1948 Arab-Israeli War which is already a level 5 vital article. Cadevo86 (talk) 13:05, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Nom
  2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:18, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support Nakba, at least (should definitely be listed) - although I was under the impression its synonymous with the 1948 Palestinian expulsion and flight? Can someone explain the distinction? Support both Iostn (talk) 13:33, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The page on the expulsion and flight says that "This article is about the expulsion and flight specifically. For the Palestinian Catastrophe more generally, see Nakba." I'm wondering if it should be other way around. So that Nakba is first, and then expulsion and flight goes below that? Makkool (talk) 17:51, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Iostn: - Nakba is both used to refer to the 1948 events and also any post-1948 events which Arabs/Palestinians were persecuted by Israel - see Ongoing Nakba. starship.paint (RUN) 08:21, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. SailorGardevoir (talk) 01:05, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 22:18, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 06:56, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Battle of Muye[edit]

Considered one of the most important battles in East Asian history. pbp 20:50, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. pbp 20:50, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Battle of the Catalaunian Plains[edit]

Another battle strategic to world history that is missing from the list pbp 03:35, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. pbp 03:35, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 18:31, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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pbp 03:35, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Bessarabia[edit]

Currently we list Banat, Galicia, Pomerania and Silesia. Bessarabia is another historical region of Europe with relevance in the modern day.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:20, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Decided to land on this side. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 23:54, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. I would support historical regions like this, but it's really just Moldova  4 with Transnistria  4 traded for Budjak and part of Chernivtsi Oblast  5. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 01:56, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Brașov[edit]

Brașov has a metropolitan area population well over 400k, making it the fourth-largest city in Romania, and in the same boat as the other Romanian cities on the list, excluding Bucharest  4 and Târgu Mureș  5. I would propose a swap with the latter, but I'd weakly oppose the removal since we're 25 under quota in Cities. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 21:26, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. As nom. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 21:26, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add First Battle of Panipat[edit]

A very important engagement in Indian history as it marked the beginning of the Mughal Empire  3 and the dissolution of the Delhi Sultanate  4.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 18:31, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support Gizza (talk) 01:27, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Causes of World War I[edit]

Covers several events that may not be vital in themselves but together are quite important, such as the First Moroccan Crisis, the Bosnian Crisis, the Agadir Crisis, and the Anglo-German naval arms race. It is ranked Top Importance by WikiProject European History, same as Causes of World War II  5.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 18:51, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion
  1. How many war causation articles are at VA?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:17, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Swap Crimes against humanity under communist regimes  5 with Katyn massacre[edit]

Framing aside, we already have Mass killings under communist regimes  5, which covers a lot of the same ground. For a more definite example, the decimation of Poland's leadership class in the Katyn Massacre was one of the most notorious war crimes by the Soviet Union.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 10:12, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom Iostn (talk) 22:07, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. --Thi (talk) 13:44, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove all 19 counties of Hungary[edit]

PASSED
Removed 5-0. Makkool (talk) 18:46, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Similar rationale to the Czech region proposal above. The articles in question are:

  1. Bács-Kiskun County
  2. Baranya County
  3. Békés County
  4. Borsod-Abaúj-Zemplén County
  5. Csongrád-Csanád County
  6. Fejér County
  7. Győr-Moson-Sopron County
  8. Hajdú-Bihar County
  9. Heves County
  10. Jász-Nagykun-Szolnok County
  11. Komárom-Esztergom County
  12. Nógrád County
  13. Pest County
  14. Somogy County
  15. Szabolcs-Szatmár-Bereg County
  16. Tolna County
  17. Vas County
  18. Veszprém County
  19. Zala County

I will propose compensating additions shortly. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 21:26, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support all
  1. As nom. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 21:26, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. These do not seem vital. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:02, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 06:54, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support, propose replacing these small counties with the traditional regions of Transdanubia, the Great Hungarian Plain and possibly Northern Hungary. 2-3 regions is reasonable for a country of Hungary's size. Gizza (talk) 01:25, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I already proposed Transdanubia and its largest urban area below, and I will propose the other two soon. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 01:52, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:19, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Mixed
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Add Transdanubia and Székesfehérvár[edit]

Aside from Hungarian counties which I have no reason to keep, we have no representation of the western half of Hungary, and this seems like a good place to start. Both articles are rated High-importance on WikiProject Hungary. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 21:32, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 21:32, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. These both seem vital. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:01, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom. Makkool (talk) 14:02, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 04:26, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. I want to clarify that while Szekes is only the ninth-largest city proper in Hungary, it has the fourth-largest urban area. The reverse is true for Szeged  5; while being the third-largest city proper, it has the seventh-largest urban area. Miskolc might also be a good addition, having the fourth-largest city proper and the third-largest urban area. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 00:41, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Kingdom of Nri[edit]

A kingdom in Africa that was seemingly influential for centuries and existed for 1000 years. Rated High-Importance by WikiProject Nigeria and Top-Importance by WikiProject Igbo.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:42, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 17:51, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support - good find Gizza (talk) 01:27, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. SailorGardevoir (talk) 10:18, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Saint Vincent Bay  5[edit]

I do not see any reason for this bay to be listed as vital. It has no claim to importance. Only three interwikis.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:50, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I can't see this at V5 when cities as large and vital as Novokuznetsk, Brașov, and Augusta, Georgia still aren't. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 16:47, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:21, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per above. starship.paint (RUN) 12:34, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Kabylia[edit]

I think any region that is large, maintains a unique cultural heritage, and has made serious strides towards self-determination and self-governance should be listed at VA5. We do this for the most part (e.g. see Abkhazia  4 or Somaliland  4) but one omission I've noticed is with Kabylia within Algeria. Their people are Berbers  4 so they have a distinct culture and language from the rest of Algeria. They have made serious pushes for self-government (see Berber Spring, Black Spring (Algeria) and Movement for the Self-Determination of Kabylie). The population of the region is 3.5 million which is over 15x the population of the aforementioned Abkhazia (and has more interwikis). In North Africa, we also list 28 governorates for Egypt but 0 subregions of Algeria, a country of 45 million. Aurangzebra (talk) 07:19, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 07:19, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Abkhazia and Somaliland are states with limited recognition, so they automatically get a pass at V4. We also need to completely overhaul the country subdivision list. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 12:50, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:52, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per nom. Makkool (talk) 14:02, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Darfur[edit]

I see no reason for one of the most important African country subdivisions to not be at least V5. It is notably one of the few subdivisions to be removed in the "Great Region Cull of 2013" and not be added to V5 later on. 72 interwikis, 781 dailies. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 00:34, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Strong support as nom. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 00:34, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom, very important Aurangzebra (talk) 03:00, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Very important, especially with the current War in Darfur  5. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:51, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per nom. Makkool (talk) 14:02, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:22, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Gizza (talk) 01:57, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Some post-Soviet regions[edit]

Add Central Federal District[edit]

It has by far the highest population (40m+) and GDP (~566b) of Russia's federal districts. Should most certainly be at V4. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 01:18, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Strong support as nom. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 01:18, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom. Makkool (talk) 14:02, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Moscow Oblast[edit]

Major component of the Moscow metropolitan area with a population of ~8.5m and a GDP of $72 billion. Most certainly more vital than the vast majority of the republics. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 01:18, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 01:18, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom. Makkool (talk) 14:02, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Krasnodar Krai[edit]

The Kuban is a culturally distinct region of Russia with a population of ~5.8m. and a GDP of $35 billion. Most certainly more vital than the vast majority of the republics. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 01:18, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 01:18, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom. Makkool (talk) 14:02, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Donbas[edit]

A historically relevant region of Ukraine that only became more relevant during the Russo-Ukrainian War  5. 3 of the 24 Ukrainian cities we list are located in the region and so was one-seventh of the pre-war population. I'd probably support this at V4. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 01:18, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 01:18, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support per nom. Gizza (talk) 01:47, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom. Makkool (talk) 14:02, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:24, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 01:18, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Great Hungarian Plain and possibly Northern Hungary[edit]

Along with Transdanubia, which I proposed above, these are the three main regions of Hungary. GHP is rated High-importance in WP Hungary and most of its other WikiProjects. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 12:11, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 12:11, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom. Makkool (talk) 14:02, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 04:26, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add all 7 geographical regions of Türkiye[edit]

Türkiye and Iran have comparable populations, but Iran gets over twice as many cities as Türkiye. Iran also has all but two of its provinces and Türkiye has NOTHING under country subdivisions? The geographical regions of Turkey are definitely all vital at this level. The articles in question are:

We should have a bit more from Türkiye, but this is just a start. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 20:07, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Aegean Region[edit]

Population ~ 10.5m. Largest city is İzmir  4. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 22:05, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 20:07, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 12:22, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Black Sea Region[edit]

Population ~ 7.7m. Largest city is Samsun  5. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 22:05, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 20:07, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 12:22, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Central Anatolia Region[edit]

Population ~ 12.9m. Largest city is Ankara  4. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 22:05, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 20:07, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 12:22, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Eastern Anatolia Region[edit]

Population ~ 6.5m. Largest city is Van, Turkey  5. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 22:05, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 20:07, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 12:22, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Marmara Region[edit]

Population ~ 26.7m. Largest city is Istanbul  3. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 22:05, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 20:07, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 12:22, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Mediterranean Region, Turkey[edit]

Population ~ 10.6m. Largest city is Antalya  4. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 22:05, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 20:07, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 12:22, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Southeastern Anatolia Region[edit]

Population ~ 8.6m. Largest city is Urfa  5. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 22:05, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 20:07, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 12:22, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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General discussion[edit]

  1. Not sure I am comfortable adding these as a group.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:25, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I will reformat my proposal. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 21:36, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Cappadocia (not OP)[edit]

We should list some of the historical regions as well. Cappadocia definitely, as its still relevant today and a popular tourist destination. Place under Central Anatolia Region.

Support
  1. As nom.Makkool (talk) 12:22, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 12:45, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 04:27, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Dobruja[edit]

We list the Wallachia  4, Moldavia  4, and Transylvania  4 at V4 and Székely Land  5 at V5. Dobruja is another significant region of Romania and Bulgaria that is not part of the V4 regions. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 12:52, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 12:52, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom. Makkool (talk) 15:46, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Historical cities additions[edit]

Add Kowloon Walled City[edit]

Quite important to the history of Hong Kong.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:11, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 18:02, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Londinium[edit]

The capital of Roman Britain, predecessor to modern-day London.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:11, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 15:07, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 18:02, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Lutetia[edit]

A major settlement in Gaul, predecessor to modern-day Paris.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:11, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 15:07, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 18:02, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add New Amsterdam[edit]

Glaring omission, the first european settlement in what is now New York City  3. The Blue Rider 15:05, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 15:05, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 18:00, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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