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Polish mythology

Nieco przypadkowo znalazło się to na tutejszym DNU, choć jestem za to odpowiedzialny trochę... Stan folkloru polskiego czy religii słowiańskiej w polskim kontekście jest rzeczywiście opłakany, okropny - i tę sprawę często omawiamy na plwiki (np. Hoa Binh). U nas też jest słabo, ale tu to jest koszmar. Niestety, nie jestem w stanie nic z tym zrobić i ciągnąć tej sprawy (ale owszem, jestem za usunięciem obecnego artykułu)... Henryk Tannhäuser (talk) 06:33, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

The current AfD of this article is somewhat accidental, and to some extent it is the result of my actions. The state of the articles about the Polish folklore and the Slavic religion (in the Polish context) is really terrible, horrendous. This question is frequently mentioned in the Polish Wikipedia (for example by Hoa Binh). Our articles in this topics also tend to be very weak, but in the English Wikipedia it's just a nightmare. Unfortunately, I can't do anything with this issue and contribute vastly to the current AfD (though I'm definitely for the deletion of this article...). Henryk Tannhäuser (talk) 06:33, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_November_8#Category:Locations_of_Ukrainian_Insurgent_Army_attacks_on_Poles

I forgot to list it here few weeks ago, discussion still ongoing. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:41, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Cannabis in Poland needs improvement

We have a new article Cannabis in Poland, but it could really use improvement and expansion, especially from anyone who can read Polish sources. With a little polishing, it'd also be really useful to make a translated version for Polish Wikipedia since it's a topic of increasing interesting these days. Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 03:01, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

I added some content yesterday. Pl wiki equivalent is at pl:Marihuana#Polska. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:23, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

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Merge Karpinski and Karpiński

I plan to merge these two articles, and I thought I should let you folks know. If you'd prefer to do it yourselves, please go ahead. —Mark Dominus (talk) 06:09, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

I did this, and also updated some related pages, including Mount Karpinski, Mount Karpinskiy, and Mount Karpinsky (Urals). —Mark Dominus (talk) 20:50, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
@Dominus: Actually, you did it in wrong way. Partially fixed. Will finish tomorrow. Staszek Lem (talk) 00:28, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Pavel Jacobi and January Uprising

@Alex Bakharev and Piotrus: Whoever suggested in a hidden note on Pavel Jacobi back in 2007 that the Battle of Kruszyna was at Kruszyna, Silesian Voivodeship, was right - see pl:Bitwa pod Kruszyną. I'm not worried about the 29/30 August problem - the date could have been recorded incorrectly (there was a war on, and a Gregorian/Julian date conversion may have been involved); or, there could have been a rearguard action. Narky Blert (talk) 17:26, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

A Polish author says that Jacóbi was wounded at Nieznanice, which was close to Kruszyna.Xx236 (talk) 12:07, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
An academic text, I haven't read it [1].Xx236 (talk) 12:09, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
@Xx236: My back-of-the-envelope calculation suggests that the distance from Kruszyna to Niezmanice is about 3-4km. Totally plausible for C19 warfare, either for a side-action to the main battle or for an ensuing action. Narky Blert (talk) 21:29, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

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Sources for Policyjny Klub Sportowy Katowice

Hey all! Any chance someone here could find some sources for Policyjny Klub Sportowy Katowice? It has been tagged as having no references for 11 years. I can find some vague references to it existing, but can't quite find a source to backup anything in the article. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Happy editing! Ajpolino (talk) 04:29, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Name, split and mergers related to Szabla

It is time to tackle this mess, or at least discuss it. Please see Talk:Szabla#Name. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:10, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

People who emigrated to escape Nazism

Category:People who emigrated to escape Nazism has been nominated for possible deletion. A discussion is taking place to see if it abides with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 March 17#Category:People who emigrated to escape Nazism on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. 10:40, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Nicely written

This article has very good referencing and historic content listed. The article is also nicely written and doesn't bounce around with its ideas.Elybelle (talk) 22:51, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

@Elybelle: Which article are you talking about? Perhaps you posted this comment at a wrong page... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:13, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

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Notice of relevant WP:RSN discussion

This discussion may be relevant to this project as it deals with the 1942 events in Navahrudak (Nowogródek);

K.e.coffman (talk) 01:05, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

How about a "List of films about Poland"?

The 2017 film, "The Zookeeper's Wife", based on a true World War II Warsaw story, inspires me to ask whether it's not time to start a "List of films about Poland".

There is a "List of films set in or about North Korea" and a list of "Films about immigration to Italy".

Film is a good medium for spreading knowledge of culture and history.

If someone could start a "List of films about Poland" stub, it could be fleshed out over time.

Nihil novi (talk) 01:43, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Imagine "List of fims about the USA". No.Xx236 (talk) 08:18, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

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Anna Henryka Pustowojtowna

Rather Pustowójtówna.Xx236 (talk) 09:21, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Moved. — Kpalion(talk) 11:51, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

RM reopened

Since this may not show properly in our Article Alerts, it is worth noting that the RM at Talk:Grand Duchy of Cracow was re-opened. Please voice your view on whether we should use K or C spelling for this entity. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:02, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

Name and nationality of Maurice Benyovszky

Please see Talk:Maurice Benyovszky for relevant discussions. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:36, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Participants list

There is no user N Swd.Xx236 (talk) 06:50, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

User:Pawel bielsko~enwiki isn't active since 2007. Xx236 (talk) 06:53, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
@Xx236: Feel free to fix it, I doubt this list has been maintained for close to a decade. :( --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:17, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

"Polish death camp" controversy

Cześć. W "zgłoś błąd" w plWiki zwrócono uwagę, że jedno ze źródeł, na które powołuje się artykuł, ma bardzo niskią wiarygodność, a informacja bazuje nie na opracowaniu naukowym czy poważnej publicystyce, ale historycznej fikcji. Zaprzecza tej informacji także artykuł w "Rzeczpospolitej" (Było podejrzenie, że w latach 50. zachodnioniemieckie służby (BND) miały zalecić mediom zachodnioniemieckim używanie fałszywego określenia „polskie obozy". Informacja ta pojawiła się także w polskiej wersji Wikipedii. Komórką, która miała się zajmować tego rodzaju celową dezinformacją, miał kierować niejaki Alfred Benzinger. Badania historyczne nie potwierdziły tej hipotezy i informacja na ten temat zniknęła z polskiej Wikipedii). Mógłby ktoś z Was się tym zająć? Gytha (talk) 09:51, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

  • To nie jest żaden błąd, User:Gytha. Problem polega na tym że polscy wikipedysci nie znaja angielskiego, i bazują na tym tylko, na czym mogą. Tymczasem w źródłach anglojęzycznych temat omawiany jest wielokrotnie, niekiedy nawet całkiem obszernie.
  1. http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.740974
  2. http://www.timesofisrael.com/is-new-polish-law-an-attempt-to-whitewash-its-citizens-roles-in-the-holocaust/
  3. http://www.timesofisrael.com/do-the-words-polish-death-camps-defame-poland-and-if-so-whos-to-blame/
  4. http://www.constantinereport.com/german-intelligence-agencys-murky-past-the-nazi-criminals-who-became-german-spooks/
  5. http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/intelligence-agency-s-murky-past-the-nazi-criminals-who-became-german-spooks-a-745640-2.html
  6. http://www.jta.org/2012/06/07/news-opinion/letters/on-the-term-polish-death-camps
  7. "About Simon Wiesenthal". Simon Wiesenthal Center. 2013. Section 11. Retrieved 17 November 2013.
  8. Hartmann, Ralph (2010). "Der Alibiprozeß". Den Aufsatz kommentieren (in German). Ossietzky 9/2010. Retrieved 19 November 2013.
  9. Klaus Eichner, Gotthold Schramm, et al (2007). Angriff und Abwehr: die deutschen Geheimdienste nach 1945, Berlin: Edition Ost (Reinhard Gehlen) p. 42. OCLC 91785168.
Poeticbent talk 11:51, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
Doprecyzuję, bo może się nie zrozumieliśmy (dlatego linkujesz np. przekład ze 'Spiegla', w którym nic nt. problematycznej kwestii nie ma). Sprawa dotyczy wyłącznie jednej informacji, wprowadzonej (z datą 23 October 2014) bez żadnych źródeł w tej edycji, przez osobę dużo się w Wikipedii nieudzielającą. Nie tego, że w Niemczech za Adenauera w BND działali byli naziści, mający na celu wybielać działania Niemców w czasie wojny. Ale tego, że ten konkretny termin "polskie obozy koncentracyjne" był propagowany przez 'Agency 114' w celu przerzucenia odpowiedzialności za Shoah na Polaków. Jest na to jakiś dowód w rzetelnych źródłach? Bo źródło dodane przez Ciebie jest niewiarygodne. Zalinkowane media izraelskie też nim nie są, bo są podstawy, by przypuszczać, że bezkrytycznie powtarzają informację z Wikipedii (zwróć, proszę, uwagę na daty tych artykułów). Nie widzę ponadto podstaw, by uznać, że są źródłem lepszym niż jedna z największych codziennych polskich gazet, czyli 'Rzeczpospolita', która wyraźnie pisze, że jest to informacja fałszywa.
Informacja ta z polskiej Wikipedii była usunięta jako hoax [2], m.in, z opisem "To hoax: M. Ziętek odwołuje się tylko do artykułu T. Formickiego, który pozbawiony jest jakichkolwiek źródeł" przez dwóch godnych zaufania wikipedystów, których tutaj też poproszę @Ausir and WTM:. Rozumiem, że szkoda Ci Twojej pracy włożonej w znalezienie źródła, ale niestety, nie jest ono godne zaufania. Myślę, że zgodzisz się ze mną, wikipedyści szczególnie powinni włączyć się w walkę z rozmaitymi fake newsami i hoaksami, bo na nich ciąży bardzo duża odpowiedzialność - informacje w Wikipedii często są uznawane za sprawdzone i powielane przez inne media. Gytha (talk) 13:56, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Gytha, proszę o link do tego artykułu z Rzeczpospolitej. To wystarczy. Problem polega na tym, że w Wikipedi WP:ORIGINAL RESEARCH jest zakazany. Musimy podawać informacje które pojawiły się w mediach, a jeżeli są one fałszywe, musimy podawać wiarygodne źródła które to ujawniają, i potwierdzają w sposób rzetelny. Zwróć uwagę, że ja niczego w artykułach nie poprawiałem po komentarzach na stronach dyskusji. Rzucałem tylko wyzwania, na które nadal szukam odpowiedzi. Poeticbent talk 16:01, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
Manche Historiker, darunter Prof. Grzegorz Kucharczyk behaupten sogar, dass der Begriff „polnisches Konzentrationslager“ von dem ehemaligen Nazi Alfred Benzinger von der Dienststelle 114 des westdeutschen Geheimdienstes eingeführt wurde, um in dieser Weise die globale Wahrnehmung der deutschen Täterschaft im Zweiten Weltkrieg von Deutschland auf Polen und „staatenlose Nazis“ zu verschieben. — Helen Lewis (2017-02-18), "Brief an Hans-Christian Ströbele." Dziennik Berliński.
Google Translate: Some historians, including Prof. Grzegorz Kucharczyk, even claimed that the term "Polish concentration camp" was introduced by the former Nazi Alfred Benzinger from Agency 114 of the West German intelligence in order to gain an insight into the global perception of German Nazi participation in the Second World War in Poland as "stateless Nazis".
  • Proszę o komentarz w sprawie poniższego artykułu. Zwracam uwagę, ze nie jest to artykuł T. Formickiego, o którym wspomniała Gytha (powyżej). Tymczasem artykuł Piotra Jendroszczyka pt. „Polskie obozy” (www.rp.pl) jest płatny i nie wiem czy podaje źródła. Jeżeli tak, to proszę mi napisać jakie, na wypadek gdyby były one dostępne. Poeticbent talk 16:54, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
Termin „polskie obozy koncentracyjne” wymyśliły w 1956 r. niemieckie tajne służby. — Leszek Pietrzak. Doktor historii. Były pracownik Urzędu Ochrony Państwa (1990-2000). Były Pracownik Biura Bezpieczeństwa Narodowego. Wykładowca akademicki (28.10.2011), "Jak Niemcy Polaków wrabiali w mordowanie Żydów." POLITYKA.
  • Kim jest Prof. Grzegorz Kucharczyk wspomniany przez Helen Lewis (powyżej). Bo jak jest dym, to pewnie gdzieś jest zwarcie, tyle że nikt nie podaje źródeł dostępnych informacji. Artykuły:
  1. Prof. Grzegorz Kucharczyk: "Polskie obozy koncentracyjne" wymyślili funkcjonariusze wywiadu RFN." www.rp.pl, 23.01.2017.
  2. Polityka: NASZ WYWIAD. Prof. Kucharczyk: Kłamliwy termin „polskie obozy koncentracyjne” stworzyli funkcjonariusze wywiadu RFN, którzy wcześniej pracowali dla III Rzeszy.
  • User:Gytha, User:Michał Sobkowski, User:Boston9, User:Ausir, User:Staszek Lem, and User:Piotrus. Please comment. — Below is the English summary of the above long discussion in Polish between us. User:Gytha is an administrator from Polish Wikipedia who addressed a request made in Polish, to have the English article "Polish death camp" controversy redacted, and the section "Operations to whitewash German responsibility for World War II" removed from it. The one-time Polish Wikipedian who posted their request at pl:Wikipedia:Zgłoś błąd w artykule have claimed that the false information originates from the Polish article in the "Wrecz Przeciwnie" magazine based on a book by Leszek Pietrzak titled Zakazana historia which the user described as falsified pseudo history (strong words, coming from a one-time throwaway account). — In the opening statement of this new thread, Gytha provided a link to online announcement from Wręcz Przeciwnie magazine dated 25/09/2011 (one paragraph) about the article in the 26 September 2011 paper issue. Gytha described the article as based on fiction, according to an article published in Rzeczpospolita newspaper on 30.05.2017. In the Polish Wikipedia the information about 'Agency 114' has been removed and reinserted several times already (there's a revert war going on there, with no signs of slowing down). I provided a list of external sources mentioning Agency 114 which can be found in our article's talk page. The problem is, the "Wrecz Przeciwnie" magazine becomes less and less relevant as I started to discover brand new articles by Polish academics in support of that claim. The three articles (hotlinked above) were written in Polish by Prof. Grzegorz Kucharczyk (Polityka and Rzeczpospolita), mentioned in a separate German article by Helen Lewis, and Dr. Leszek Pietrzak (Polityka). Needless to say, the whole argument turns into a big mess. I would be grateful for any suggestion you can provide. Poeticbent talk 20:33, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

I suggest this discussion must be moved to Talk:"Polish death camp" controversy. Article talk spaces are the place where articles are to be discussed. There are many reasons why this should be done so. Here may be only invitations to join the discussion in article talk pages. Staszek Lem (talk) 00:35, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

If this is to be mentioned at all, it should mention which historians make this claim and which disagree, given that it's not an uncontroversial statement that can simply be cited to these sources as a fact. Ausir (talk) 01:15, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

I am confused by the question 'who is professor Kucharczyk', a simple search directs us to pl:Grzegorz Kucharczyk. He seems like a reliable, professional historian, employed by the pl:Instytut Historii im. Tadeusza Manteuffla Polskiej Akademii Nauk. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:20, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
From that site one can see that he is a historian of the late XIX century. The question concerns another period. PuchaczTrado (talk) 05:26, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
This doesn't matter. Unless his claims are debunked by a more reliable expert, he is still reliable. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:30, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
We also have an article on Agency 114 which is also subject to a slow edit war about this claim. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:30, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Anyway, having read the discussion, I think that we can reliably source the claim to the cited newspapers and attribute it to Grzegorz Kucharczyk. It would be much better if we could find anything in academic sources, because it seems (correct me if I missed something) that the best we have is a newspaper interview, which is not as reliable as an academic paper. But it is still, nonetheless, reliable enough, barring any debunking in other sources. And again, I haven't seen anyone claiming this is untrue but a few Wikipedians. Personally, again, I'd strongly prefer to see an academic, not news, source on this, but if all we have is a reliable historian making a claim in a newspaper, it is nonetheless reliable enough in light of it not being contradicted by anything else we are able to find. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:34, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

PS. The best academic publication on this I found so far is Milena Malinowska. ""Polskie obozy" – problem błędnego określenia niemieckich nazistowskich obozów koncentracyjnych i zagłady oraz próby jego rozwiązania" in 2012: Polityka zagraniczna Polski. Wybrane zagadnienia i problemy, see page 148=149 in ([3]), which qualifies that the view that this term was introduced on purpose has been proposed and endorsed by some historians, through she only cites another Polish historian, pl:Leszek Pietrzak, as the author of the recent theory we discuss here. As she also cites his article (Leszek Pietrzak: “Plan Grubasa", tygodnik "Wręcz przeciwnie" Nr 1/2011), and does not that it sounds somewhat far fetched 'like a conspiracy theory'; the publication does not seem to be very reliable (some short lived weekly that went under quickly after 3 issues [4]). It does not seem that the author (LP) published his theory in any peer reviewed media. Setting aside speculation on whether he invented this from the think air, all we have to do is a minor but reliable (until proven guilty) historian making a claim in a niche magazine with unknown and likely weak fact-checking. It is barely reliable, but we have to consider stuff like WP:UNDUE. I think that at best, this claim has to be clearly attributed to him, and him alone, perhaps with a note that it has been repeated by another historian, Grzegorz Kucharczyk. Something like 'Two Polish historians, X and Y, made claims in the Polish media that...'. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:49, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Jeśli są źródła o dostatecznej jakości (jak wypowiedzi historyków w "Rzeczpospolitej" czy "Polityce"), to ja nie mam nic przeciwko umieszczeniu tej informacji, zwłaszcza w formie zaproponowanej przez Piotrusa - chodziło mi głównie o to, by nie posługiwać się źródłem o bardzo niskiej wiarygodności, zwłaszcza wobec negowania prawdziwości tej hipotezy. Dostępu do pełnego artykułu w "Rzepie", który mówi o je fałszywości, też obecnie nie mam, cytat zamieścił @Halibutt: na prowadzonej przez siebie stronie o wzmiankach o Wikipedii w mediach. Gytha (talk) 09:57, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
    • @Gytha: Mnie art. sie otworzyl, ale cytat ww. to wszystko. Ciekawe, jakie badania historyczne tego nie potwierdzily? Autorem art. jest pl:Piotr Jendroszczyk. Warto moze sie z nim skontaktowac, i z tym historykiem ktory napisal to w 2011, choc znajac zycie watpie by ktos nam odpowiedzial. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:07, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Agency 114 - wątpliwa sekcja.Xx236 (talk) 07:33, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
    • I thought about contacting Leszek Pietrzak, but I couldn't locate any email. Pl biography states he is an 'academic lecturer' but doesn't say where. On second thought he does not seem reliable, pretty much an amateur historian. I nominated his pl article for pl wiki AfD, does not even seem notable. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:08, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Date issue with Czestochowa

This is the entry I'm questioning: The Black Madonna is said to have miraculously saved the monastery of Jasna Góra (English: Bright Mount) from a Swedish invasion.[5] The Siege of Jasna Góra took place in the winter of 1655 during the Second Northern War, as the Swedish invasion of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth is known. The Swedes were attempting to capture the Jasna Góra monastery in Częstochowa. Seventy monks and 180 local volunteers, mostly from the szlachta (Polish nobility), held off 4,000 Swedes for 40 days, saved their sacred icon and, according to some accounts, turned the course of the war.[7] This event led King John II Casimir Vasa to "crown" Our Lady of Częstochowa ("the Black Madonna") as Queen and Protector of Poland in the cathedral of Lwów on April 1, 1652. Prior to this event, several royal nobilities have offered crowns to the image throughout the years, replacing its iron sheet crown by gold and several jewels. In later years, various jewels were interchanged and repositioned around the image to preserve the aesthetic of the icon with the replacement of stolen crowns.[8]

How could She be crowned "Queen and Protector of Poland in the cathedral of Lwów on April 1, 1652 if the Siege of Jasna Gora took place in 1655? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cest Moi 810 (talk • contribs) 03:07, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

@Cest Moi 810: Sorry for the late reply. Let's start here: please link through hyperlink the article the text is from. Then we can take a look. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:10, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Józef Marcinkiewicz

I'm topic banned, so I'm not allowed to edit the page. Xx236 (talk) 11:01, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

That's sad. But so what? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:08, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
If you're topic-banned, you're also not allowed to post about it on discussion pages or ask others to edit the page for you, even implicitly. Consider this a warning. – filelakeshoe )³ 14:54, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
Many members of my family died during WWII fighting for freedom (including freedom of speach), Im not afraid to be expelled from here. This Wikipedia is based on censorship. Surprisingly minority editors perish and British/WASP impose their POV. Am I allowed to dream at night about illegal subjects?Xx236 (talk) 06:43, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
@Filelakeshoe and Xx236: user:filelakeshoe is correct that WP:TOPICBAN prevents User:Xx236 from posting here (well, assuming his topic ban is related to Poland, looking at his talk page I only see a Soviet Union-related topic ban, and the biography is only partially related to SU; so I think he is entitled to link it here and discuss its non-SU aspects, i.e. all of it with the exception of the issues related to the subject's death). Of course, if he is indeed banned from Polish-related discussions, this only goes to show the idiocy of that policy, which is unenforceable (and indeed annoyingly infringes of the freedom of speech), as Xx236 can send emails to me and other members of this project, or post to our Polish Wikipedia pages (where perhaps he would find it easier to explain his concerns, as I still have no clue, for example, why he would want to post here about this page). Anyway, I recommend to Xx236 that he takes a year or so break from posting on English Wiki from Polish topics, then asks for a lift of this weird ban. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:47, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
Just to clarify, the topic ban is for USSR topics "broadly construed", so Xx236 is fine to post on this WikiProject page by my reckoning. The content of this post could be problematic. If he can′t edit the whole page, he also can′t discuss it in talk space, but on further consideration you may be right that the ban doesnt cover that whole article. I will redact my warning, it was unnecessary. Sorry. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 14:13, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Cross of Merit (Poland)

Hi, the afd Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Krzysztof Wojciechowski includes a discussion about whether receiving the silver cross meets notability guidelines, i am interested to see what you think that a silver cross is notable, thanks. Coolabahapple (talk) 06:22, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Category:Recipients of the Medal of the Armed Forces in the Service of the Fatherland has been nominated for discussion

Category:Recipients of the Medal of the Armed Forces in the Service of the Fatherland, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to see if it abides with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you.RevelationDirect (talk) 01:07, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

Developed market

Please help, I don't know the subject, especially the difference between FTSE and FTSE Russell. Xx236 (talk) 06:55, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

House of European History

The House has been criticized by British and Polish media/historians. I believe that the page should contain some critics. My English is too bad to write such section.Xx236 (talk) 06:58, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Translation request

Could someone please offer an English gloss of the Polish-language book title in the list of published works on Miroslav Komárek? Thanks – filelakeshoe (t / c) 09:12, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

 Done — Kpalion(talk) 12:17, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
Thanks! – filelakeshoe (t / c) 12:18, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

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Free City of Cracow

Should "Free City of Cracow" be moved to "Free City of Kraków"? (A couple of days ago, "Grand Duchy of Cracow" was moved to "Grand Duchy of Kraków".)
Nihil novi (talk) 21:32, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
@Nihil novi: I think it is only logical that it should, per my prior arguments there. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:45, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Was the Commonwealth Poland?

See eg. Category:Polish people of the Smolensk War. Were the wars "Polish"?Xx236 (talk) 10:20, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Yes, "Poland" was a common name for the Commonwealth. — Kpalion(talk) 13:22, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
Short answer, yes. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:34, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
Wikipedia is based on sources, so no answer yet.
"Poland" was a common name for the Commonwealth - when?Xx236 (talk) 13:58, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
During and after the time when the Commonwealth was in existence. — Kpalion(talk) 14:57, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
You are not a reliable source.Xx236 (talk) 07:14, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

Other tools Wikiproject Watchlist

It doesn't work. I don't know the subject, so I'm not removing the link.Xx236 (talk) 07:14, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

Only few new pages about Poland

Portal:Poland/New article announcements Xx236 (talk) 07:54, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

An example The Crucifixion (film).Xx236 (talk) 07:55, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

Disambiguation links on pages tagged by this wikiproject

Wikipedia has many thousands of wikilinks which point to disambiguation pages. It would be useful to readers if these links directed them to the specific pages of interest, rather than making them search through a list. Members of WikiProject Disambiguation have been working on this and the total number is now below 20,000 for the first time. Some of these links require specialist knowledge of the topics concerned and therefore it would be great if you could help in your area of expertise.

A list of the relevant links on pages which fall within the remit of this wikiproject can be found at http://69.142.160.183/~dispenser/cgi-bin/topic_points.py?banner=WikiProject_Poland

Please take a few minutes to help make these more useful to our readers.— Rod talk 12:40, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Languages of Poland

Controversial statements (Armenian language in Poland?), dead links.Xx236 (talk) 07:51, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Requested move: Pączki → Paczki

Greetings! I have started a requested move discussion at Talk:Pączki#Requested move 2 January 2018, regarding a page relating to this WikiProject. Discussion and opinions are invited. Thanks — Kpalion(talk) 16:20, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Wacław Struszyński or Waclaw Struszynski

A discussion regarding the proper form of the above name is currently active at Talk:Waclaw Struszynski#Requested move 13 January 2018. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 08:45, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

As of this writing, the above-mentioned WP:RM has been withdrawn. A link elucidating the matter in question is here. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 15:28, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Council of National Unity

Sadly, the article includes no list of the chairmen of the main commission. A contributor on Polish Wikipedia has created a table comprising their names, but with no terms of office. Does anybody know where to find those information? --Mbakkel2 (talk) 01:06, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Polish National Flag Day

Is this an actual holiday? I ask because

1) it's the only contribution of a blocked sockpuppet (Bangel1535 (talk · contribs))
2) it's not listed on Public holidays in Poland

--Calton | Talk 01:08, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

This is a translation of pl:Dzień Flagi Rzeczypospolitej Polskiej. Staszek Lem (talk) 01:14, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

However, as I see, it must be reviewed. Staszek Lem (talk) 01:25, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
It is an actual holiday, introduced by the Sejm in 2004. However, a more accurate translation of Dzień Flagi Rzeczypospolitej Polskiej would be "Flag of the Republic of Poland Day" (or "Polish Flag Day" for simplicity, but without the "National", which is not found in the Polish name). — Kpalion(talk) 09:39, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Request for assistance: Need to understand Polish

A question has come up concerning an edit to History of the Jews in Poland. My ignorance of the Polish language is vast, and I rely on Google Translate. If you understand Polish, please comment at Talk:History of the Jews in Poland#Polish phrase at top of article. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 04:30, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

New RFC

Talk:"Polish death camp" controversy/Archives/ 3#RFC on "misnomer". Staszek Lem (talk) 01:00, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Request regarding pl.wiki

I assume that this is not a terrible bet to find someone who might be active there, but someone should probably take a look at pl:Wikipedysta:Donay/brudnopis, which looks obviously wrong in probably a few ways. GMGtalk 15:50, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

RIP Halibutt

It's a sad day for our WikiProject, Polish Wikipedia and Wikimedia Polska. User:Halibutt, a passionate and prolific Wikipedian, passed away today. A condolences page has been open at Polish Wikipedia. — Kpalion(talk) 22:57, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for sharing the unhappy news. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 04:26, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
As I suggested on pl wiki a while back, in memory of our dear departed friend, we can rescue and mainspace some of his unfinished drafts. See [[5]]. I just proposed his Battle of Głębokie, an article that was 99% finished but for some reasoned abandoned in his sandbox since 2012, for DYK. There are at least several other such articles there, which require just few minutes (well, maybe up to an hour at most if you want to do it properly and DYK them) of finishing touches. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:54, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Consultation regarding Zdzisław Żygulski (senior) and Zdzisław Żygulski (junior)

Since the Zdzisław Żygulski disambiguation page lists both Zdzisław Żygulski (senior) and Zdzisław Żygulski (junior), I thought that it would be more appropriate to disambiguate them by their field of study and moved Zdzisław Żygulski (senior) to Zdzisław Żygulski (literary historian), but before moving Zdzisław Żygulski (junior) to Zdzisław Żygulski (art historian), decided to consult here.

Both articles were created on March 17, 2007 by Polish Wikipedian User:Visor, whose last English Wikipedia edit was on May 5. 2013. On Polish Wikipedia, the entry for Zdzisław Żygulski (junior) was created the following month, but the entry for his father was not created until November 2013. The main title headers of the Polish Wikipedia entries carry the same "(senior)" / "(junior)" parenthetical qualifiers per English Wikipedia.

The WIEM Encyklopedia entries which serve as references in the English Wikipedia articles appear to be influenced in their form by the Wikipedia entries, possibly up to and including the main headers. However, the Polish Wikipedia entries have used Polish scholarly articles as references and some of those also use the forms ""senior" and "junior".

Before moving Zdzisław Żygulski (literary historian) back to Zdzisław Żygulski (senior), however, I would like to solicit views as to whether the forms Zdzisław Żygulski senior and Zdzisław Żygulski junior would be preferable. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 00:41, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

@Roman Spinner: I think this is more of a MoS question thant WP:POLAND question. Personally I prefer job disambigs as more meaningful and I'd suggest moving Zdzisław Żygulski (junior) to Zdzisław Żygulski (art historian). PS. I think pl wikipedia MoS usually recommends using dates of birth and deaths in disambig, which is not common on eng Wiki. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:04, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
My line of thinking regarding this matter follows the same pattern. I am going to wait until March 4 in case other suggestions might be forthcoming and, if there are no other, will attended to the move of Zdzisław Żygulski (junior) to Zdzisław Żygulski (art historian). —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 21:30, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

History Categories

Hallo. I am the Coordinator of WikiProject Germany. I invite the members of WikiProject Poland to join us in a discussion about how best to sort the history of Germany through categories. Some of our members thought it would constructive to ask your WikiProject, given the complex nature of Polish history. The link to the discussion is here. –Vami_IV✠ 14:11, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

could anyone help with translation?

I am using Google Translate to mine Polish sources for information, but I met my first problem. Here is the quote:

Przy pracy nad ścieżką dźwiękową miałem przyjemność pracować z fantastycznymi ludźmi. Na początek muszę wymienić legendarny, polski zespół Księżyc. Dziewczyny udzielają się chóralnie w grze, ale nie są to zwykłe chóry – na potrzeby projektu wymyśliliśmy język, słowa, które brzmią niepokojąco, obco, rytualnie. To jest jeden z elementów organicznych, który dobrze współdziała z wszechobecną elektroniką. Muzykę diegetetyczą, pojawiającą się parokrotnie w grze podczas wspomnień ostrych imprez (i nie tylko) jednego z bohaterów stworzył uznany artysta psytrance’owy Mirror Me. Za dodatkową muzykę ambientową i motyw np. z salonu tatuażu odpowiada Przemek Laszczyk, z którym miałem również przyjemność współpracować przy grze Kholat.

The band he worked with, was it translated to Moon but actually meant Moonlight (band)? There is also diegetetyczą, which I interpret to mean diegetic sound. Could you accurately translate the rest? Google Translate makes it so confusing. Cognissonance (talk) 16:40, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Here goes:

While working on the soundtrack, I had the pleasure to work with some fantastic people. First of all, I have to mention the legendary Polish band Księżyc. The girls sing as a choir, but this not a regular choir; for the purpose of the project we've invented a new language, words with an ominous, alien, ritual sound. It's one of the organic elements that work well with the ubiquitous electronic sound. The diegetic music, which can be heard several times in the game, when one of the characters reminiscises about some hard partying (among other things), was created by esteemed psytrance artist Mirror Me. Przemek Laszczyk, with whom I also had the pleasure to work on the game Kholat, was responsible for additional ambient music and, for example, the tattoo studio theme.

— Kpalion(talk) 17:22, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

I really appreciate it Kpalion, thanks! Cognissonance (talk) 18:18, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Title: "Slavic paganism" or "Slavic religion"?

More opinions needed in this discussion.--Eckhardt Etheling (talk) 07:36, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Template:Collaboration with Axis Powers by country is biased and misinforms

The page Collaboration with the Axis Powers lists 31 examples. The template lists only one Western (Luxemburg), four from Eastern Europe and one from Greece. Only collaboration with Nazi Germany is mentioned, even if the name says Axis Powers.

Xx236 (talk) 08:07, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

WP:SOFIXIT. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:18, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Focus on Poland at Women in Red

In May 2018, in conjunction with m:Wikimedia CEE Spring 2018/Article Lists, Women in Red is focusing on the countries of Central and Eastern Europe. We hope there will be contributions on Polish women.

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Poland's mentions in WWII article

Please see Talk:World_War_II#War_breaks_out_in_Europe for which events related to Poland should be mentioned in this major overview article. Among others, I suggested adding mentions and link to the Battle of Westerplatte and Battle of Bzura. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:10, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of new article, "Leszek Pietrzak"

On 24 April 2018, at the request of one of our editors, I translated the Polish Wikipedia article on Leszek Pietrzak and placed it in the English Wikipedia.

User:Icewhiz has now proposed it for deletion, at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Leszek_Pietrzak.

I raise this matter in case anyone would care to comment on the proposal.

Thank you.

Nihil novi (talk) 10:14, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

I strongly object to its deletion. Tatzref (talk) 18:25, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

WikiProject collaboration notice from the Portals WikiProject

The reason I am contacting you is because there are one or more portals that fall under this subject, and the Portals WikiProject is currently undertaking a major drive to automate portals that may affect them.

Portals are being redesigned.

The new design features are being applied to existing portals.

At present, we are gearing up for a maintenance pass of portals in which the introduction section will be upgraded to no longer need a subpage. In place of static copied and pasted excerpts will be self-updating excerpts displayed through selective transclusion, using the template {{Transclude lead excerpt}}.

The discussion about this can be found here.

Maintainers of specific portals are encouraged to sign up as project members here, noting the portals they maintain, so that those portals are skipped by the maintenance pass. Currently, we are interested in upgrading neglected and abandoned portals. There will be opportunity for maintained portals to opt-in later, or the portal maintainers can handle upgrading (the portals they maintain) personally at any time.

Background

On April 8th, 2018, an RfC ("Request for comment") proposal was made to eliminate all portals and the portal namespace. On April 17th, the Portals WikiProject was rebooted to handle the revitalization of the portal system. On May 12th, the RfC was closed with the result to keep portals, by a margin of about 2 to 1 in favor of keeping portals.

There's an article in the current edition of the Signpost interviewing project members about the RfC and the Portals WikiProject.

Since the reboot, the Portals WikiProject has been busy building tools and components to upgrade portals.

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Mogilno

The victims were picked out by local Volksdeutsche with Polish citizenship for execution.

  • Is the citizenship important to be mentioned here?
  • There are obviously two POVs - the Nazis (I'm not sure about the BDR) considered the VDs to be German and cancelled any Polish citizenhip in September 1939 so there were no POlish citizens at that time. Poland expelled many VDs and cancelled Polish citizenship of the VD who run away to Germany. Do we know if the mentioned VDs didn't run away in 1945 and all were punished as Polish citizens? Xx236 (talk) 09:07, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Is Dude neutral in English?Xx236 (talk) 09:11, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Please read the recent comment regarding Jerzy Zborowski.Xx236 (talk) 10:28, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Piotrkowska Street

Piotrkowska Street seems to be a machine translation (of pl:Ulica Piotrkowska w Łodzi?), it needs tagging and hatnotes.−−−−69.181.23.220 (talk) 02:12, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Translation of source for Marienbad (video game) - the first Polish video game

Hi Wikiproject Poland,

Can we have a translation of the section of Bajty polskie that talks about the game "Marienbad"?

  • Kluska, Bartłomiej; Rozwadowski, Mariusz (2011). Bajty polskie (in Polish). Łódź: Samizdat Orka. p. 6. ISBN 978-83-927229-1-5.

Regards, Coin945--Coin945 (talk) 04:20, 17 June 2018 (UTC) @PresN:

I see this has been addressed already. Kubanczyk (talk) 07:32, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Question on Cross of Merit

Hi, I'm writing a biography of someone who has received Cross of Merit (Poland), supposedly, but I'm not entirely sure? Her webpage translates it as the Cavalier Cross of Merit but I don't see that in the previously linked Wikipedia article. Here is the PR page on her award. Thanks in advance. --Lightmatterchem (talk) 05:06, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

I suppose that you are talking about the Cavalier Cross of Merit (2011). This is wrongly translated on her web site. The full name of it is: Knight's Cross Order of Polonia Restituta Fifth Class. Here is the link to it on Wiki Order_of_Polonia_Restituta#Knight's_Cross QQuercus (talk) 22:39, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Wroclaw Airport Map Error

Added a not to Talk:Wrocław–Copernicus_Airport for the map is incorrect

Jbarthel (talk) 09:56, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Polish museums on the List of music museums

Hi there, I have introduced the List of music museums and quite some Polish articles do have an article in Polish but not in English. Are there users at this project that like to write some or all of these articles? Best regards, Ymnes (talk) 13:50, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Controversial film Kler (The Clergy) by Polish director Wojciech Smarzowski needs article

We should have an article for the controversial film Kler (The Clergy) by Polish director Wojciech Smarzowski.

Wojciech Smarzowski's new controversial drama Clergy, about the Catholic Church in Poland, had over 935,000 admissions during the premiere release weekend, breaking the record for the best opening of a Polish film in the last 30 years.

https://www.filmneweurope.com/news/poland-news/item/117090-smarzowski-s-clergy-breaks-polish-box-office-record

A film depicting Polish clerics as corrupt, drunken fornicators and paedophiles is smashing box office records in Poland, sparking controversy and encouraging hundreds of people to come forward with allegations of recent and historical abuse.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/15/polish-film-the-clergy-sparks-hundreds-of-allegations-of-abuse-kler-catholic

Whatever you think of this film, it certainly meets notability guidelines.

We currently have a redlink Clergy (film) in our article Wojciech Smarzowski.

We should decide whether our article should be at Clergy (film) or The Clergy (film).

[Edit] More discussion at

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Atheism#Controversial_film_Kler_(The_Clergy)_by_Polish_director_Wojciech_Smarzowski_needs_article

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Catholicism#Controversial_film_Kler_(The_Clergy)_by_Polish_director_Wojciech_Smarzowski_needs_article

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film#Controversial_film_Kler_(The_Clergy)_by_Polish_director_Wojciech_Smarzowski_needs_article

[ edit - 189.122.52.73 (talk) 21:01, 15 October 2018 (UTC) ]

- 189.122.52.73 (talk) 20:48, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

RfC on election/referendum naming format

An RfC on moving the year from the end to the start of article titles (e.g. South African general election, 2019 to 2019 South African general election) has been reopened for further comment, including on whether a bot could be used move the articles if it closed in favour of the change: Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (government and legislation)#Proposed change to election/referendum naming format. Cheers, Number 57 15:39, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Marek Gruszczyński

Hi, I came across this draft in the WP:AFC queue. This appears to be a poorly written autobiography, but the subject seems notable. If there are any editors here who may be interested at taking a stab at this article, that would be great. --K.e.coffman (talk) 04:26, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Railway stations in Pomeranian Voivodeship

If anyone is interested in a geodata challenge, you might want to take a look at

Category:Pomeranian Voivodeship articles missing geocoordinate data,

where there are about 100 railway station articles missing coordinates. -- The Anome (talk) 15:56, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

There's a broader issue regarding the sourcing of these stubs; they appear to all be long-demolished stations. Input from editors in this project would be very helpful. Thanks, Mackensen (talk) 03:20, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Featured quality source review RFC

Editors in this WikiProject may be interested in the featured quality source review RFC that has been ongoing. It would change the featured article candidate process (FAC) so that source reviews would need to occur prior to any other reviews for FAC. Your comments are appreciated. --IznoRepeat (talk) 21:38, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

New article needs review

I just wrote article Polish cavalry in Sochaczew photograph about well known and usually mislabeled photograph from invasion of Poland in 1939. I would appreciate, a read-through and improvements from other contributors. --Jarekt (talk) 17:51, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

TVP3 logo error

Logo graphics of TVP3 are erroneously swapped. The logo with blue background should be current one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.146.196.5 (talk) 13:01, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Populated places in Poland - infobox settlement

More than 5000+ article about places in Poland are listed at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Infobox_Settlement&namespace=0&limit=5000 .

They have various issues, fixes would include:

77.11.42.123 (talk) 23:05, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

User:The Anome? 77.11.42.123 (talk) 23:07, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

I agree it would be good to use a bot to rectify the issues desribed above. I would also add than thousands of articles have "doubled" coordinates - one in the infobox, the second one in the footer.--Darwinek (talk) 00:06, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Heaven for the nobles, Purgatory for the townspeople, Hell for the peasants, and Paradise for the Jews

Please see the relevant AFD [8] --Shrike (talk) 08:00, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Chronology categories for Congress Poland

Please see and participate in the discussion at Category talk:1900s establishments in Congress Poland. – Fayenatic London 10:50, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Move review Paradisus Judaeorum

Paradisus Judaeorum, renamed following Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Heaven for the nobles, Purgatory for the townspeople, Hell for the peasants, and Paradise for the Jews is currently in discussion at Wikipedia:Move review/Log/2018 December, and may interest this community. Icewhiz (talk) 07:10, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

Rota (poem)

Almost unsourced. Unsourced English translation. Reference one is dead and it's probably self-published.Xx236 (talk) 08:12, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Proteza koniecpolska

Input from one or more speakers of Polish would be significantly useful at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Proteza koniecpolska. Thryduulf (talk) 12:21, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

Talk:Sobibór extermination camp

See move request. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:47, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Sobibór trial or Sobibor trial

The wider implications of the nomination at Talk:Sobibór trial#Requested move 21 March 2019 and four other related article titles may be of interest. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 10:49, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Postal communication in the General Government and Deutsche Post Osten

Two pages about the same, the author of the longer one has perished. I'm not able to integrate both pages, I don't know what was the connection between the Reichspost and DPO. The subject isn't integrated anywhere, it is listed under See also.Xx236 (talk) 14:17, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

Category talk:1900s establishments in Congress Poland

Hidden there is an important post-CfD discussion about categorization regarding partitioned Poland time. Is 'in Poland' valid for partition era? Please discuss there. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:39, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

For the record, I have reverted the "Congress Poland" chronology categories to "Poland". The discussion has therefore been moved to Category talk:1900s establishments in Poland. – Fayenatic London 20:27, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Sobibór or Sobibór, Lublin Voivodeship

The discussion regarding one of the above forms as the article's main title header at Talk:Sobibór, Lublin Voivodeship#Requested move 9 April 2019 may be of interest. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 23:51, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

RfC: Rota

Talk:Anti-German sentiment/Archive 2#RfC: Rota may be of interest to this project.Icewhiz (talk) 06:06, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Portal:Silesia for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether Portal:Silesia is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The page will be discussed at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Silesia until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the page during the discussion, including to improve the page to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the deletion notice from the top of the page. North America1000 06:14, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Israel–Poland relations

No critics of Isarel is allowed.Xx236 (talk) 06:39, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Could you be more specific? -- Darwinek (talk) 16:44, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Chronology of Ukrainian language suppression

Hi,

please check on the happenings on the article in the subject. There might be an issue about WP:NPOV, and the same way the proper evaluation and treatment of sources...The sensitive Ukrainian viewpoint might be that many actions carried out in the past on the territories what belongs today to Ukraine (but not earlier, or even before Ukraine was founded) would be count as an anti-Ukrainian act, that seems controversial, since I would suggest Ukrainian sources or viewpoint conclude that mainly, but I am not alone to question that, since i.e. the introduction of the Polish language in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth in such case could be considered the same way "against" any other language, though, I don't see it's suppressive matter, because then in other places of Europe the introduction of any other language could treated like that, that is highly unnatural...(would be the introduction of Romanian administration in the Romanian principalities "suppressive"?? Since 1622 it was introduced an used together with Slavic, but there would be other notable examples...etc.) (KIENGIR (talk) 10:03, 1 June 2019 (UTC))

Translation request

Could somebody translate that sentence:

"Lekarze orzekli nie mniej ni więcej tylko raka, nie zważając na ogólne kontuzje, opowiedzieli się za koniecznością operacji. Operacja się odbyła, podobno otwarto jamę brzuszną i zaszyto z powrotem z powodu beznadziejnego stanu."

Google translate says, he died of cancer. Is this correct? HerkusMonte (talk) 07:17, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

@HerkusMonte:. There you go: "Doctors pronounced not more, not less than cancer. Not considering general wounds, they voiced a necessity of a surgery. The surgery took place, apparently the abdominal cavity has been opened, and sewed back due to the hopeless condition." - Darwinek (talk) 13:05, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

A discussion of interest: should victims of an aviation crash with Polish but not English articles be mentioned in text?

The discussion taking place here: Talk:1943_Gibraltar_B-24_crash#List_of_passangers (this discussion has so far been only advertised at WP:AVIATION, I think this project will also find it of interest). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:51, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Rojek Article

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rojek

Would it be possible to make a Wikipedia page explaining the origins and meanings behind the Polish surname Rojek? It seems like "Rojek" only refers to this small town in Western Poland that used to be part of Germany a long time ago.

It is a rather pronounced surname and I am a Rojek, even though my name's spelled with a "Y" instead of a "J" thus being spelled "Royek" instead of "Rojek"

That is my actual real last name. Patchman123 (talk) 22:17, 20 June 2019 (UTC)[1] It is an actual, though uncommon, Polish surname.

@Patchman12: Possible? Sure. Someone just has to spend time doing research and writing it up. You can do it, too: WP:BEBOLD. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:52, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
The place was in Germany, probably renamed around 1945. Xx236 (talk) 10:33, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://www.ancestry.com/name-origin?surname=rojek

Overarchiving

Recently a number of Talk pages has been archived after days, eg. Talk:Barbara Engelking. Threads older than 1 week may be archived by MiszaBot I. NiszaBot doesn't work any more. Why 1 week? Talk:Poland - Threads with no replies in 120 days may be automatically moved. 120. Xx236 (talk) 10:28, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

I fixed the archiving parameters on WP:Poland talk page here. Hope it works better now. Check my edit to see which parameters I changed. It can be useful for other talk pages. For detailed info on how to set-up the parameters see --> User:MiszaBot/config. - Darwinek (talk) 11:21, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of File:Michal Jerzy Mniszech.jpg

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The file File:Michal Jerzy Mniszech.jpg has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Orphaned image, there already exists a clearer image of higher resolution of the same painting at Commons (File:Michał Jerzy Wandalin Mniszech.JPG).

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I am posting this here because of the note that someone left at the top of User talk:Witkacy, the uploader of the image.  ★  Bigr Tex 18:56, 9 July 2019 (UTC)


MfD nomination of Portal:Lusatia

Portal:Lusatia, a portal relevant to this project, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; you may participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Lusatia and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of Portal:Lusatia during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Bermicourt (talk) 21:06, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Socialism in Poland / Communism in Poland

There is an open discussion at Talk:Communism in Poland#Socialism in Poland that may be of interest for members of this project. The main question being whether the article Communism in Poland should be expanded to cover, more generally, Socialism in Poland. --MarioGom (talk) 15:36, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

A masterpiece by the master of propaganda in Feminism in Poland

"Polish women enjoyed liberties (abortion, labour market, childcare)" Xx236 (talk) 12:18, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Discussion of interest

A discussion which may be of interest to members of this project can be found here. Beyond My Ken (talk) 06:38, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

Jew with a coin

This Wikipedia gets more and more crazy. Jew with a coin on English Wikipedia Main page. One of the experts Tokarska-Bakir has some ethical problems http://kompromitacje.blogspot.com/2011/04/joanna-tokarska-bakir-cytuje-carla.html (plus two other texts).Xx236 (talk) 07:09, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

correction needed to map of territorial changes of Poland (Memel/Klaipeda)

re: Territorial evolution of Poland - map - errors in Memel/Klaipeda region Good observation. Please report this to the 1) person who created the image 2) image talk page 3) WT:POLAND 4) talk page of article on Territorial changes of Poland. Hopefully this will result in alerting someone who can fix it - I don't edit images, I am afraid, not my skill set. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:07, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello, The initial map of Poland's changing boundaries is wonderful. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/92/Territorial-changes-of-Poland-1635-2009-small.gif

There is one problem that I noticed, which is not directly related to Poland, but is still relevant and can be easily fixed.

this is the error in the depiction of the "Memelgebiet". This region is shown as part of Germany (Weimar and Nazi) through WW II, but in fact, it was Allied administered after the Versailles Treaty (1919) and was then taken over by Lithuania in 1923, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klaip%C4%97da_Revolt Then, in April 1939, the area was "returned to the Reich" after a Diktat by Nazi Germany, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1939_German_ultimatum_to_Lithuania Thus it remained during WW II, and in 1945, this area was annexed by the USSR along with the so-called "Kaliningrad Oblast". So the 1919, 1923, and 1939 maps (and any intermediate ones) should be edited to show this region accurately. Thanks you for your consideration. Jtelser (talk) 13:09, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

so I am reporting this to #3: "WT:POLAND". I don't know how to contact #1 and #2. Jtelser (talk) 02:52, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

@Jtelser: The correct file link is File:Territorial-changes-of-Poland-1635-2009-small.gif You can see that the two editors of this image are User:Esemono and User:Alphathon. Hopefully at least one of them is active and will review this ping. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:21, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
You are correct and having just watched it again there are other issues also present. I'll take a proper look at it at some point soon. Alphathon /'æɫ.fə.θɒn/ (talk) 12:30, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Help verifying Polish language sources on Walter Kuhn

I'm asking if anyone with access to Polish language sources who speaks at least passable Polish could have a look at the sources being cited at Walter Kuhn. Kuhn was a German historian and folklorist who was also a Nazi (and involved in advising ethnic cleansing, I should add) but went on to have a very long and respected postwar career. I have some POV concerns about how Polish sources (most of which I can't find, and my Polish is based on A1 Czech and google translate anyway) are being used to talk about his postwar scholarship and, to a lesser extent, claims that he was involved in espionage against Poland in 1939 (which is believable, I just can't find it in anything in English or German OR find/access the Polish articles making the claims). I'd appreciate any help on verifying that they say what is being said in the article and that they are not just cherry-picked to make Kuhn sound evil (not saying he wasn't, but NPOV) and his (postwar) work sound like garbage (it's still frequently cited today). I realize that the postwar academic careers of former Nazis can be a fairly controversial topic. I'd also appreciate any help on keeping the article neutrally worded and organized.--Ermenrich (talk) 00:36, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

@Ermenrich: Please ping me on the talk of the relevant article with notes which specific source(s) you want to review, and I'll see what I can help with. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:18, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, I appreciate it!--Ermenrich (talk) 13:08, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

(redacted) about Icewhiz

(Redacted) Xx236 (talk) 06:41, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Likely relevant to Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Antisemitism_in_Poland/Proposed_decision#BLP_violations. But in general, any discussion of this should belong to ArbCom case, not here. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:17, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
It's been clear from the beginning Icewhiz is most likely a paid editor, a wolf among sheep. - Darwinek (talk) 18:41, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
@Darwinek: a person just wrote a hit piece to attack one of the members of this community for their contributions to the project, so your first instinct shouldn't be to immediately side with them. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 06:42, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Portal:Poland

Proposal to delete all portals. The discussion is at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Proposal to delete Portal space. Voceditenore (talk) 08:28, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Portal:Pomerania for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether Portal:Pomerania is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The page will be discussed at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Pomerania until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the page during the discussion, including to improve the page to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the deletion notice from the top of the page. North America1000 20:28, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Unreliable source - whatfor page

I think [9] those links should be removed. It was effectively someone's homepage not citing sources ([[10]). Any thoughts? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:38, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

It seems to me this website was some sort of a personal hobby webpage of someone. Interesting pet project but lacking any reliable sources. I am in favor of removing those links. - Darwinek (talk) 22:50, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
It's nice to see some life and activity here :) I will see if I can find any other popular unreliable pages like this and link them here fore discussion.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:17, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Request for information on WP1.0 web tool

Hello and greetings from the maintainers of the WP 1.0 Bot! As you may or may not know, we are currently involved in an overhaul of the bot, in order to make it more modern and maintainable. As part of this process, we will be rewriting the web tool that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.

We'd like to collect information on how the current tool is used by....you! How do you yourself and the other maintainers of your project use the web tool? Which of its features do you need? How frequently do you use these features? And what features is the tool missing that would be useful to you? We have collected all of these questions at this Google form where you can leave your response. Walkerma (talk) 04:24, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Encyklopedia Polski

Help is needed at this discussion. I have no definite opinion one way or another. Finding RS, if it exists, will be in the Polish language.4meter4 (talk) 17:42, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Implications of recent ArbCom case for content creation on WWII Polish topics

Interested editors may want to see the Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification_and_Amendment#Clarification_request:_Antisemitism_in_Poland (second request, so scroll down, through the first one is of some relevance as well). As a content creator active in this topic area who was not the party to the related ArbCom case, nor was named in any findings, I am nonetheless scared now to edit articles in this topic area. In effect, adding a single problematic source could get one banned or topic banned for an extended period of time (as has happened to one editor just recently). I think this is something that editors of this project should be aware of. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:53, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

WWII Polish and Polish-Jewish articles need help!

See Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2019-10-31/In the media for a description of a recent controversy. Many more errors like this may lurk in various articles. Please consider reviewing such articles for B-class, checking sources reliability and for potential fringe claims. TIA, --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:43, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Piotrus, I commend editors trying to clean this up. I will try to help. MozeTak (talk) 05:18, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

Stary Ciepielów and Rekówka massacre

Dear colleagues, there is a new article about Polish-Jewish history. I encourage you to check it and improve if necessary (I wouldn't say that my English is perfect...)Dreamcatcher25 (talk) 10:17, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

Polkowice

The windmill in Polkowice has been restored as a landmark. The only images of it on Commons show it as a derelict shell. Is there anyone in the area that can take a photo and upload it to Commons for use in the list of windmills in Poland please? Mjroots (talk) 19:18, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

Tadeusz Arentowicz up for deletion

Polish RAF pilot shot down in his spitfire. Some foreign language sources exist, can anyone read Polish? Some sources have been added to the AfD perhaps we can shore up the article. I've added sources, links, etc. There may be more? 7&6=thirteen (☎) 14:06, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

AfD result was to keep the page. FrankP (talk) 10:28, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

Home Army Request for Comments: German casualties

Talk:Home Army/Archive 6#Request for Comments: German casualties: watchers here may comment.JoeZ451 (talk) 16:22, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

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