Talk:2023 Israeli blockade of the Gaza Strip

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Background[edit]

"On 7 October 2023, militants from Hamas, a Palestinian political and military organization and other Palestinian groups, launched its biggest assault in years across the Gaza–Israel barrier into southern Israel, as well as firing rockets into Israel"

I don't think this captures the gravity of the attack, and the mention of Hamas as a political and military organization fails to include that Hamas is designated as a terrorist organization by numerous countries.

Requested move 11 April 2024[edit]

2023 Israeli blockade of the Gaza StripBlockade of the Gaza Strip during the Israel–Hamas war – This isn't a separate blockade from the general Blockade of the Gaza Strip, nor is it limited to 2023. This article covers the blockade during the war (and particularly, its escalation); the title should reflect that. Elli (talk | contribs) 16:17, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Your very premise is false, This is a separate blockade from the “general blockade of the Gaza strip”. [1] Stephan rostie (talk) 14:58, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not a separate blockade. It's an expansion of the overall blockade. Your source does not demonstrate otherwise, nor does your comment otherwise refute the move rationale. Elli (talk | contribs) 20:21, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your source actually demonstrates it is a separate more extreme blockade from the general Blockade of the Gaza Strip when Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant says “I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed.” He had to specify this siege would be "complete" so Israeli citizens understood it's not the same old thing. [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReZEJPwrM1k
We know that citizens understood the message, because they took it on themselves to physically block aid trucks from getting in. [2]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyGyrz06ljg
2023 applies because that's when it began, just as the War of 1812 ran until 1815. Laurel L. Russwurm (talk) 18:25, 1 May 2024 (UTC) not ec FortunateSons (talk) 18:58, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There was a previous effort to use "siege" precisely to differentiate this. Iskandar323 (talk) 18:50, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per move rationale for the sake of consistency, and is also not exclusively Israeli FortunateSons (talk) 11:32, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: WikiProject Human rights, WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography, WikiProject Current events, WikiProject International relations, WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration, WikiProject Law, WikiProject Discrimination, WikiProject Palestine, and WikiProject Israel have been notified of this discussion. RodRabelo7 (talk) 00:21, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose this completely contradicts WP:COMMONNAME and against what RS have been reporting [3]. Makeandtoss (talk) 09:18, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How does this contradict COMMONNAME? That source doesn't call it the "2023 Israeli blockade of the Gaza Strip" or even include "2023" at all. Elli (talk | contribs) 23:41, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on the grounds it removes the year, which it should keep in the majority of cases per our guideline WP:NCEVENTS, with only a minority of exceptions. There have been several blockades of the Gaza Strip, and as a general rule including the year in our events titles is useful to our readers. Removing the year also be WP:INCONSISTENT with the October 2023 Israeli blockade of the Gaza Strip. Pilaz (talk) 13:45, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This wasn't just a 2023 blockade, though, so the date is inaccurate. The relevant date information is "during the war", not "in 2023 and 2024", hence the rename. Also you're claiming this would be inconsistent with... a redirect to this page? What? Elli (talk | contribs) 23:42, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: The topic here is a specific event that needs dating and which has had various announced names, include blockade, total blockage, siege and total siege. It differs significantly from the long-term blockade, extending not least as it does to the cutting off of electricity, water and other essentials that it is the legal responsibility of the Israeli state to provide to the occupied territories. It is a specific, notable war crime. Iskandar323 (talk) 14:58, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strongly Oppose: the use of the phrase "Israel–Hamas war" is misleading because because it is not a war, which Wikipedia describes as "an intense armed conflict between states, governments, societies, or paramilitary groups such as mercenaries, insurgents, and militias" between the state of Israel and Palestinan Freedom Fighters including the military arm of Hamas, the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, the Palestine Liberation Organization, and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine Resistance Movements.
If it were a war, it would be a war between Israel and the captive Palestinian civilian population of Gaza. When Germany conquered France in WWII, it became the belligerent occupation force, and was not said to be at war with the French Resistance. When the occupying German forces punished the innocent captive French civilian population for the actions of the French Resistance, it was not characterized as "war," but collective punishment. Laurel L. Russwurm (talk) 17:48, 1 May 2024 (UTC) not extended-confirmed FortunateSons (talk) 18:00, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gaza Death Toll chart - inappropriate for this topic[edit]

Why is the chart "Gaza Death Toll" included in this article? There is no documented relationship between a blockade and the Gaza death toll which is driven by military activities. Brad Einarsen (talk) 05:12, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]