Talk:Adolf Hitler/Archive 65
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Ancestry -- More recent scholarship by Leonard Sax
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Please add this paragraph to the end of the Ancestry section --
More recent scholarship by Leonard Sax points out that many Jews lived in places without official sanction and demonstrated the existence of a settled Jewish community in Graz before the law formally permitted their residence, saying that "Contemporary historians have largely dismissed Frank’s claim, primarily on the grounds that there were purportedly no Jews living in Graz in 1836, when Hitler’s father Alois Schicklgruber was conceived. This consensus can be traced to a single historian, Nikolaus von Preradovich," a Nazi sympathizer, "who claimed that “not a single Jew” (kein einziger Jude) was living in Graz prior to 1856. No independent scholarship has confirmed Preradovich’s conjecture. In this paper, evidence is presented that there was in fact eine kleine, nun angesiedelte Gemeinde – “a small, now settled community” – of Jews living in Graz before 1850." And that "The hypothesis that Hitler’s paternal grandfather was Jewish, as claimed by Hans Frank, may fit the facts better than the alternative hypothesis that Hitler’s paternal grandfather was Johann Georg Hiedler or Johann Nepomuk Hiedler."[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]
98.46.117.211 (talk) 21:24, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
Not done This article is about Hitler, not about the history of the Jews in Graz, and is therefore too much detail for this particular article. However the detail that Jewish residency was illegal in the area at the time is also too much detail, so I am taking that out. — Diannaa (talk) 18:50, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
References
- ^ https://doi.org/10.1177/0047244119837477
- ^ https://www.leonardsax.com/JES_MS.pdf
- ^ https://www.leonardsax.com/who-was-hitlers-grandfather-why-should-you-care/
- ^ https://www.amazon.com/ANGESICHT-GALGENS-Erkenntnisse-Geschrieben-Justizgef%C3%A4ngnis-ebook/dp/B0797WXN4Z/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=
- ^ https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Nikolaus_von_Preradovich?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc
- ^ https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/study-suggests-adolf-hitler-was-a-quarter-jewish-597966
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As per MOS:OVERLINK and MOS:GEOLINK, please de-link "Austria-Hungary", "Berlin" and "Nazi Germany" from infobox. 193.19.255.21 (talk) 11:55, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
spell being broken
I take great issue with the line "spell being broken". It is completely idiotic to try to make hitler's reign sound cool like he's some sort of Harry Potter villain. I don't care if it's changed or not, it will always keep this article idiotic.Daedrich JJ flfmjg (talk) 14:59, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- That's merely what the sources are saying. We aren't going to change it because you find it to be idiotic. ― Blaze WolfTalkblaze__wolf 15:04, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- It's idiomatic, not idiotic. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:18, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- It's how some of his contemporaries responded: "Hitler's suicide was likened by contemporaries to a "spell" being broken". Demagogues often appear to 'mesmerise' those who follow them do they not? An uncritical state kept in place by a constant diet of propaganda.Pincrete (talk) 05:15, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- It is idiomatic. That being the case it might stylistically be better for it to expressly reference the sources using it - Fest/Speer in this case - rather than be in wikivoice. But I fail to see how it makes "Hitler's reign sound cool like he's some sort of Harry Potter villain". DeCausa (talk) 07:18, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Both sources specifically use the word "spell". Fest says that in multiple contemporary accounts, "certain phrases crop up releatedly...a 'spell' had been broken, a 'phansasmagoria' shatttered." I have added some attribution for Fest and a sentence from Speer page 617. — Diannaa (talk) 23:48, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- "phansasmagoria" That is supposed to be phantasmagoria, a technique of using magic lanterns to project scary images, "such as skeletons, demons, and ghosts". Dimadick (talk) 11:56, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yes. — Diannaa (talk) 11:59, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- "phansasmagoria" That is supposed to be phantasmagoria, a technique of using magic lanterns to project scary images, "such as skeletons, demons, and ghosts". Dimadick (talk) 11:56, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Both sources specifically use the word "spell". Fest says that in multiple contemporary accounts, "certain phrases crop up releatedly...a 'spell' had been broken, a 'phansasmagoria' shatttered." I have added some attribution for Fest and a sentence from Speer page 617. — Diannaa (talk) 23:48, 27 August 2024 (UTC)