Talk:Anti-monuments in Mexico

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Redirect[edit]

Should Antimonumenta redirect to this page, once moved to the main space? ---Another Believer (Talk) 21:33, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Unless someone wants to expand that concept. The es.wiki article is 60% about the anti-monument in CDMX. (CC) Tbhotch 18:57, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 15:53, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Antimonumenta
Antimonumenta
  • ... that antimonumentas in Mexico, like the one in Guadalajara (pictured), Morelia, or Mexico City, are installed by protesters to demand justice for women who suffer from violence in the country? Source: "Para las personas que no lo sepan, los antimonumentos son instalaciones que se colocan en marchas y protestas sociales como una forma de recordar la injusticia perpetrada contra un grupo de víctimas, así como el fracaso por parte del Estado para resolver de manera justa estos casos y evitar que sigan ocurriendo; se habla de antimonumentas para el caso de la violencia feminicida. Estas instalaciones son símbolos que surgen en clara oposición a la idea tradicional de monumento, que es erigido por autoridades para representar un discurso oficial."

["For those who do not know, antimonumentos are installations that are placed in demonstrations and social protests as a way to remember the injustice perpetrated against a group of victims, as well as the failure on the part of the State to resolve these cases in a just manner and prevent them from continuing to occur; we speak of antimonumentas in the case of feminicidal violence. These installations are symbols that emerge in clear opposition to the traditional idea of a monument, which is erected by authorities to represent an official discourse."] (Revista de la Universidad de México).

Created by Tbhotch (talk) and Another Believer (talk). Nominated by Tbhotch (talk) at 22:28, 23 January 2022 (UTC).[reply]

  • Comment: Adding a review structure here, so multiple people can collaborate on this review (four articles is quite a few). If you choose to take an article, feel free to restructure the insides of that one however you wish. I tried implementing a table, but for some reason the subpage does not like that. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (she/they) 10:06, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Anti-monuments in Mexico: Not assessed (replace everything after the colon with your signature when reviewing)
      • New enough:Unclear, but giving it a pass.
      • Long enough: Yes
      • Sourced: Yes
      • Neutral: Yes
      • Plagiarism-free:Earwig flagged some passages, but I believe it to be okay
      • Other issues:I think this is okay to go forward. --evrik (talk) 22:52, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Antimonumenta (Guadalajara): theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (she/they) 10:12, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      • New enough: Yes, expanded 35.3x on Jan. 23
      • Long enough: Yes, 3776 prose bytes
      • Sourced: AGF
      • Neutral: Yep!
      • Plagiarism-free: Accepted in good faith given translation
      • Other issues: Tbhotch seems to be responsible for 92.5% of the article's content, I'd say that the credit for Another Believer isn't strictly accurate given that this is for a 5x expansion
    • Antimonumenta (Morelia): TCMemoire 02:22, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      • New enough: Yes, moved to mainspace on 23 January 2022
      • Long enough: Yes, ~2380 prose characters
      • Sourced: Yes, AGF
      • Neutral: Yes
      • Plagiarism-free: Yes
      • Other issues: Should be good to go, I added one inline citation to the lead.
    • Antimonumenta (Mexico City): Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:12, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      • New enough: Moved to mainspace on January 23, 2022 (same day as the nomination)
      • Long enough: Yes (2668 characters)
      • Sourced: Technically yes, but not in the actual sentence discussing the women's protests; the reference has to be moved/duplicated there for DYK purposes. Yes
      • Neutral: Yes
      • Plagiarism-free: Yes
      • Other issues: Should be good to go one the footnote issue is addressed. Issues have been addressed.
    • Hook: Not assessed
      • Mentioned and cited in at least one article:
      • Interesting:
      • Other issues:
    • Image: Good to go :) theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (she/they) 10:17, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      • Used in at least one article: yep, infobox of Antimonumenta (Guadalajara)
      • Freely licensed: Claim of own work accepted in good faith
      • Clear at 100px: Yep!
    • QPQ: Checks out
    • Special date request: Yep, checks out
    • Overall: Review not finished

  • Comment. Traditionally, I always credit the creator of recently-created pages I expand. If the credit is not required/valid, feel free to remove it. (CC) Tbhotch 18:39, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment (2). @Narutolovehinata5: I added the DYK fact to the lede section of the three artworks and further developed on them individually at their Description and meaning sections. (CC) Tbhotch 03:00, 24 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I finished the final article. --evrik (talk) 22:52, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Differences in concept, differences in name[edit]

Suggest page rename to Antimonumento or Antimonumentos of Mexico. Despite the similarity in name to Antimonument, it is a distinct artistic concept with a different history and a different meaning. This is not a value judgement, it is simply acknowledging it is a different thing. Antimonumentos - mainly in Mexico - are always installed ala guerrilla sculpture or protest sculpture and are installed as activism, always – as I have seen documented – addressing or reminding a specific political issue that is painful and under-discussed. Thus their anti-ness refers to their content and method of installation, and not the sculptural. Antimonuments are always, to my knowledge, officially commissioned through whatever authorities and deal with the form of the art work. That is, they challenge the formal considerations of what a monument has meant historically. So for example instead of a larger than life conquering general on a horse, the viewer experiences a descent into a space, like with the Vietnam Memorial or the National Memorial for Peace and Justice. The anti-ness there is a formal and conceptual difference. While I appreciate the efforts of the authors, as it stands now it is very confusing. The confusion is added to by the abundance of articles on Latin American protest sculptures using Antimonument as a sort of generic title of the article. I would also suggest that the paragraph on origins be reduced and qualified as remote predecessor, as again it is not directly referring to the contents of this article. Hesperian Nguyen (talk) 13:54, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Puerto Vallarta[edit]

Should the memorial at Parque de las Mujeres in Puerto Vallarta be added to the list?

https://www.zonadocs.mx/2022/08/14/familias-reinstalan-memorial-para-victimas-de-feminicidio-en-puerto-vallarta-tras-remocion-del-ayuntamiento/

---Another Believer (Talk) 16:18, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The only source I could find was Zona Docs and it doesn't use the term antimonumento, only memorial. (CC) Tbhotch 18:39, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]