Talk:Big Chief Russell Moore

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Did you know... that trombonist Big Chief Russell Moore was the first member of the Pima tribe to receive an obituary in The New York Times?

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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 18:20, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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... that trombonist Big Chief Russell Moore was the first Pima tribe member to receive an obituary in The New York Times? Source: Martínez, David (2014). "LIVING LARGE DURING THE JAZZ AGE:". The Journal of Arizona History. 55 (2). Arizona Historical Society: 127–144. ISSN 0021-9053. JSTOR 24459881. Retrieved 29 May 2022.
- ALT1: ... that trombonist Big Chief Russell Moore invited the Duke and Duchess of Windsor to see him play on the Lower East Side? Source: Erwin, Pee Wee; Vaché, Warren W. (1987). Pee Wee Erwin : this horn for hire. Metuchen, N.J. : Scarecrow Press and the Institute of Jazz Studies, Rutgers University. pp. 267–268. ISBN 978-0-8108-1945-0.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Mark Lettieri
- Comment: I may be a couple hours late with the the time deadline. I started expanding this article 7 days ago and only got a chance to finish it and do this today. I ask for a little grace with this and believe I am still in the spirit of the rules.

5x expanded by Vladimir.copic (talk). Self-nominated at 00:05, 30 May 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Comment - Interesting article, Vladimir.copic. Do you prefer ALT0 over ALT1? If so, I have a question - are members of the Salt River Pima–Maricopa Indian Community considered Pima? Or are there Pima members in that tribe? I found a later obituary (2020, after your source) about a Salt River Pima-Maricopa Indian Community enrolled member. That may complicate matters ... I think ALT1 would be more interesting, anyway. Urve (talk) 12:51, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks Urve. I’ve done a bit of reading into this now and I just don’t know enough about the Native American tribal system to say anything for definite. I think if we go with ALt0 it would be safer to say "... the first Pima tribe member ...”. I like both hooks equally - my only concern was that ALT1 is sourced from an autobiography - I don’t have a problem with this but others might. I’ll leave the choice up to other editors. Vladimir.copic (talk) 22:09, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - Thanks! Your revision of ALT0 sounds great; I'll edit. It's always a bit tricky to verify these "first" hooks, but after looking through some NYTimes archives, I can't find anything that would disprove it. Your thinking about ALT1 makes a lot of sense; I would prefer ALT0 over that, then. Good luck! Urve (talk) 10:21, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The article is sufficiently long, hooks are interesting, the article is well sourced, no copyvios. We're good to go! Haiiya (talk) (contribs) 21:07, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Vladimir.copic: I'm unable to verify ALT0 in either the two sources in the article or the source in this DYK nom- where does it say he was the only Pima member to receive an obituary there? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 08:32, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"One of the most extraordinary lives in modern Pima history, he is the only tribal member whose death warranted a full obituary in the New York Times". Urve (talk) 08:41, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Theleekycauldron: Please see the following as cited in the article and DYK nomination: Martínez, David (2014). "LIVING LARGE DURING THE JAZZ AGE:". The Journal of Arizona History. 55 (2). Arizona Historical Society: 127–144. ISSN 0021-9053. JSTOR 24459881. Retrieved June 16, 2022. p. 127: One of the most extraordinary lives in modern Pima history, he is the only tribal member whose death warranted a full obituary in the New York Times. Vladimir.copic (talk) 12:03, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]