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Links to attacks[edit]

User:PhilipTerryGraham, This looks great! thank you for doing it. I wonder if there is a way to make the links to the pages show up more clearly. I now see that they are linked if you click on the date. But I had trouble finding them.E.M.Gregory (talk) 00:05, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@E.M.Gregory: I'm not sure what you mean. It should be common knowledge that any text on Wikipedia that is colored blue is a wikilink. – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · contribs · count) 00:13, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Well,yes. Except that not all readers do know that. I suppose I am more accustomed to editing attack lists in Europe. Look at Islamic terrorism in Europe (2014–present) with the names of the attacks as a column. Very user-friendly.E.M.Gregory (talk) 00:26, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@E.M.Gregory: Again, it should be common knowledge that links are blue. Very rarely on the internet will you see inline links not coloured blue, let alone not coloured at all. – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · contribs · count) 00:29, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not denying that. Just saying that there is value in making things easy and obvious for readers. Again, thanks for doing this. E.M.Gregory (talk) 00:33, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

+1. Thanks for your work on this list/article. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:01, 4 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Foiled plans[edit]

I wonder if we should place foiled plots, like the 2009 Bronx terrorism plot, in their own section. These plots obviously inflicted no casualties, so I was just wondering what other editors think. epicgenius (talk) 01:37, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Epicgenius: This seems like a good idea, but my concern will be the fracturing of the main lists into unsatisfying small lists. This would be a great idea for a list that comprised over a hundred entries or so, for better organisation of an overcrowded list, but in this particular case, one that is by no means overcrowded, we might see a splitting off of a wikitable into a section that doesn't really have enough rows to justify having its own, separate table. Undercrowded lists, if you will. – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · contribs · count)

@PhilipTerryGraham: Fair enough. Should we include all the foiled plots as well? It might become a pretty large list. epicgenius (talk) 01:55, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

21 December 1994[edit]

Perhaps this is of interest to you folks. On this date Edward J. Leary, a computer guy recently fired by a Wall Street firms seems to have thrown two fire-bombs of some description in the subway. He was badly burned on the legs and was charged with fifty counts of attempted murder. I just took a quick look at the NYT story, but am unwilling to add the even myself. Here it is, http://www.nytimes.com/1996/02/21/nyregion/wife-recalls-subway-bomber-s-obsessions.html Do with it what you will. ''Paul, in Saudi'' (talk) 12:25, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently no terrorism involved. Apart from the NYT article linked to by PaulinSaudi:

John J. Goldman. "Jobless Man Is Charged in Subway Explosion" in Los Angeles Times. December 23, 1994.
John Kifner. "THE SUBWAY FIREBOMB: THE OVERVIEW; Police Say Firebombing Suspect Planned Subway Extortion Plot" in The New York Times. December 23, 1994
George James. "Man Convicted In Bombings On Subway" in The New York Times. March 8, 1996
Gary Pierre-Pierre. "94-Year Term In Firebombing In the Subway" in The New York Times. May 3, 1996.

Afaics none of the many (and unproven) theories about the man's motives involve a terrorism logic on any level (extortion, bonkers, drug abuse, on anti-depressants and whatnot, but no terrorism). Maybe shouldn't go unmentioned in Wikipedia, but a list of "terrorism" related incidents doesn't seem the right place. --Francis Schonken (talk) 17:39, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Quite a few incidents missing from the 20th Century table[edit]

See, for example, "Bombing for Justice: Urban Terrorism in New York City from the 1960s through to the 1980s" (2014, Jeffrey A. Kroessler, John Jay College of Criminal Justice, City University of New York), which describes incidents including this one. See also https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/the-year-hundreds-of-bombs-went-off-in-new-york-city and http://time.com/4501670/bombings-of-america-burrough/ . Some may not count as terrorism (e.g. attacks by lone bombers with non-political grudges and by organized crime groups) but others like various Weather Underground attacks certainly qualify. The end of the 60s and the early 70s, especially, saw an enormous number of attacks on various people and institutions (and even the occasional computer) —Undomelin (talk) 21:53, 20 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I agree about a lot of incidents missing, especially about the Weathermen in the 1970s and beyond. Check out this link to actions by the Weathermen. List of Weatherman actions — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.134.1.61 (talk) 22:22, 24 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Union Carbide Building, NYC, 1975ish[edit]

My memory was just jogged into action by the grand opening of the new JP Morgan/Chase building at what used to be the Union Carbide Building, 270 Park Ave, Manhattan. Way back in roughly 1975 someone placed a bomb in the first floor public alcove. Surprisingly, I couldn't find a reference to it in a quick Internet search due to the hefty coverage of the brand new structure.

I bicycled/walked through it a couple of weeks later after it was fixed and reopened. I remember looking at the decorative ridged steel siding in the alcove and thinking there sure was a lot of "shrapnel" type damage for something which supposedly wasn't meant to kill people

 wiki-ny-2007 (talk) 18:38, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

2022 New York City Subway attack[edit]

Frank R James has been arrested but not convicted nor admitted guilt. Im not against naming him as being arrested in this incident but the article reads as though he has been convicted as WP:BLP.Yousef Raz (talk) 23:04, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Love of Corey (talk · contribs)How do we define when something is a terrorist attack? Does a person have to be convicted of a crime that has a specific terrorism caveat? IF WP:BLPCRIME is prevents Frank James from being included then the same can be Sayfullo Saipov. Sayfullo Saipov has been convicted of nothing. Shouldn't his incident be removed?Yousef Raz (talk) 04:04, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]