Talk:There Is a Hell Believe Me I've Seen It. There Is a Heaven Let's Keep It a Secret.

Formatting of the album name

I don't believe I've seen the current formatting. I've seen "There Is a Hell Believe Me I've Seen It., There Is a Heaven, Let's Keep It a Secret" and "There Is a Hell Believe Me I've Seen It. There Is a Heaven Let's Keep It a Secret" but no where have I seen it with the commas. ~Ambrosia- ^talk 07:49, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

The formatting seems to vary a lot, the most common I have seen is the current. The band's latest MySpace blog entry (posted August 12) contains the current formatting when announcing the title. Epitaph use both with and without commas in their posts about the album thus far. However, the majority of online articles I've read (on Metal Hammer, Kerrang, Rock Sound for instance) seem to be using the current formatting, hence it is possible that it was issued that way in the press release(s). Petternitter (talk) 05:30, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

According to the music streaming service Spotify, the formatting of the album title varies from the EU and US release. If one reads up on how they retrieve formatting of album and song titles, one will find that these are directly handed from the artist's or label's distributor, and that the Spotify staff do not alterate these. Seeing as the current formatting is, as far as I am concerned, the most grammatically correct one, and the EU release is the first one distributed, I suggest we stick to the current formatting until one can solidly source that an alternate formatting was intended. Petternitter (talk) 10:20, 29 September 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.97.212.149 (talk)

Background Information

the background information needs to bee re-written so it doesn't look like it got copied and then pasted from one source. Even though it did. Jonjonjohny (talk) 15:27, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Incorrect. Wikipedia takes copyright violations, or copying and pasting published material, very seriously. The best course of action is to completely remove the copied material, unless no free equivalent can be provided, in which case the article will be speedily deleted. Details from the press release can be added in your own words with a proper citation. Until someone takes the time to do that, this section cannot be here. Fezmar9 (talk) 18:04, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Preview of Album

Should the link to Drew Beringer's preview of TIHBMISITIHLKIS (long acronym) be posted on the main article? --DeviateRogue (talk) 01:57, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Beringer has stated in the comments section of the blog post that "there will still be a full review next month with expanded and additional thoughts", meaning it can wait. However, if one can include the Beringer preview analysis, alongside the Rock Sound "track-by-track" guide by Terry Bezer, under a separate Reception section, it could be of good value, as most professional reviews won't be out for at least another month. Petternitter (talk) 10:45, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

This band is fucking horrible beyond words; who cares??

If you do not like the band, why do you care about the article to add a comment in the discussion? Petternitter (talk) 10:52, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Because a band this terrible is actually interesting. It's kinda like how Brokencyde gained noteriety upon how horrible they are. Only BMTH are much, much worse than them...

Wikipedia is not a forum for discussion. Talk pages exist to discuss improvements to the article only. Thanks. Qwyrxian (talk) 10:14, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Sourcing reviews

According to the {{Infobox album}} template, a part of the WikiProject Albums, "professional reviews should no longer be included in the infobox, but be described in paragraph form in a "Reception" section". Since there is no Reception section, and there are not enough reviews and critical reception related articles thus far to start such a section, it seems reasonable to let them remain integrated in the infobox for the time being. The Reception section of WikiProject Albums states that the Reception sections of articles on albums may be supplemented with the {{Album ratings}} template, which one will find to be very common in album articles which have eliminated professional reviews from the infobox. This template also presents that one should source reviews in the way it is currently done, and even states the following: "After the rating should be the citation of the source of the review. Per Wikipedia:Citing sources do not add reviews without a citation. This means a properly formatted footnote, in most cases providing the author, date, and source, along with an external link if available. The same guidelines were relevant when professional reviews in infoboxes were the norm and should therefore be present in this article as well. Petternitter (talk) 12:14, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Reception section

I attempted to write a reception section following the guidelines, and will continue to add to it, any help would be appreciated. I will reference properly another time, or if anyone else wishes to that would be great. I've never wrote one before so it may not be very good at the moment, but with some help i'm sure it would improve. Thank you, Jakisbak (talk) 15:04, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Crucify Me and Fuck

Should there be some mention about how the album, though there is no self-titled song, the album name appears in a song ("Crucify Me") like on their other albums (Edge of Seat-"Traitors", Blessings-"Plagues", and Suicide Season-self-titled)? Also, should there be a mention about how this is their first album to not contain the word "Fuck" in it in all of the songs that have lyrics? Mes tex (talk) 02:37, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Mentioning where the album's title is derived from is already present in the article's introduction, so there is no need to mention this again later in the article. As for your second point, I do not see how mentioning that the word "Fuck" does not appear on all songs with lyrics adds any significant value to the article; it's more trivia and a relatively insignificant fact, and therefore vote against adding this information. Petternitter (talk) 12:00, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Musical style

I think it might be worth mentioning the experimental style exhibited on this album (electronic sampling, extended ambient sections, use of melody, samples of symphonic keyboards and choir vocals, etc.) as it does represent a major departure from the fairly monotonous standard metalcore of Suicide Season. After all, the risk taking and maturity demonstrated on this album has legitamised BMTH as a "respectable" metal band to many of the more elitist in the metal community, myself included.86.160.168.196 (talk) 22:41, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

I was hoping for some sort of consensus before doing the edit, but oh well. I'll just add a summary section of the changes in style and possibly expand it later.86.145.169.171 (talk) 03:11, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Genre

Hello, just wanted to clarify why Metalcore is the genre in the infobox? There is no real mention of it within the article pertaining to the album's sound. Any thoughts? Andrzejbanas (talk) 13:06, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Metalcore is the first cited genre in the listed influences. But you do a fair point, I'll re-word it. Jonjonjohny (talk) 16:09, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Just out of curiosity, I know they are listed as influences, but just listing them all doesn't really help a user understand the sound of the album. I haven't heard the album, and hearing seven or so genres listed doesn't really clarify it further. Could we make that section more specific? Also, saying something is influenced by a genre doesn't really make it sound like it belongs to it either. Could we clear that section up? Andrzejbanas (talk) 18:06, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Just took your suggestions and modelled it similarly to how it was done at the start of a similar section in Astraea (album). Jonjonjohny (talk) 20:12, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:There Is a Hell, Believe Me I've Seen It. There Is a Heaven, Let's Keep It a Secret./GA3. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Calvin999 (talk · contribs) 19:06, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

• Quite a lot of problematic/dead links
• Don't need to put the country next to the label in the Info box
• Artwork needs an alt caption
• Link studio album in the lead
• through Visible Noise. → by
• This album was → Never use 'this' use 'the'
• with additional work → What kind of 'work'?
• the album expands on the band's previous material, → How does it expand on something? It's a vague term
• clean vocals, → What do you mean by this?
• charting on a few UK singles charts. → Poor phrasing
• Generally, I think the lead vague and confusing. It's needs to be more focused.
• The lead mentions Gothenburg but Background and recording doesn't, just Sweden
• pondered changing their approach to songwriting. → Which was?
• for ten days straight, → Informal
• just before embarking on the → just before they embarked on the
• Give the date of the tour
• but her one contribution was not included. → So they wanted her, then the next part of the sentence says that it wasn't included? There's no in between stage?
• gang vocals. → What does this mean?
• However, this album is seen as developing → Doesn't read very encyclopaedic
• In their review, → of what?
• The opening track of the album is "Crucify Me", which is complemented by guest vocals by → The opening track "Crucify Me" features vocals by
• The second paragraph here is literally a list of short facts. There's no connection of flow between the sentences.
• Lyrically, There Is a Hell is a story of a man battling his self-perpetuated inner turmoil.[13] There Is a Hell has been described as almost conceptual for Sykes, and the album's announcement from Epitaph stated that it "vividly explores humanity's collective good nature".[19] The band has looked at the lyrical themes of There Is a Hell as repercussions → Repetition of the album's title in quick succession
• Oliver Sykes said → Only use surname
• References wise:
  • You use a combination of date formatting throughout the references; you should only use one British format and stick to iy
  • Foreign language sources need a language parameter with the language written down
  • Titles shouldn't have block capital words

I can't pass this article. This is its third GAN but the article still isn't well written. It needs to be thoroughly edited, I suggest a Peer Review or GOCE. It doesn't reflect the standard required.

(←) Reviewers please note I'm starting a requested GOCE copy-edit on this article; the text may change considerably and comments above may become redundant. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 04:07, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Copy-edit is now  Done; the review can proceed. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 04:38, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Genre (2016)

The album has been stated on Bring Me the Horizon's page as Hardcore Punk in one of the referrences. I also think there are more prominent punk influences in this album. Can I add hardcore punk? Wikipageedittor099 (talk) 04:30, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

Hardcore punk

Hardcore punk was cited by two reliable sources, and even though it doesn't sound like the typical hardcore album, it can easily be called that. Wikipageedittor099 (talk) 15:16, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

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Album title

It is specified whether or not the album title is suppose to have a period (.) at the end of the title? I remember that when this page was first created, it lacked the period at the end; however, one user than suggested it's suppose to have the period on the end. I have seen it presented both ways (with and without the period). On the physical releases, this is also present. 2001:8003:3876:7600:E03B:B2C2:59C5:5DF4 (talk) 07:01, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

I also just noticed it lacks the commas. 2001:8003:3876:7600:E03B:B2C2:59C5:5DF4 (talk) 07:03, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 15 May 2019

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The result of the move request was: Moved. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 16:37, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

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There Is a Hell, Believe Me I've Seen It. There Is a Heaven, Let's Keep It a Secret. → There Is a Hell Believe Me I've Seen It. There Is a Heaven Let's Keep It a Secret. – As seen one the physical releases, the title lacks the commas. 129.78.56.197 (talk) 23:54, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

• Comment: The physical release is not the only place to look. Everywhere I have looked so far, I have found commas (but I haven't really studied the question). —BarrelProof (talk) 04:40, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support: As well as physical release, iTunes and Spotify also lists without commas. 2001:8003:3876:7600:8898:B54:CB96:8614 (talk) 10:52, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
  • Those are just affiliated/self-published sources. It would be more interesting to hear what is used by independent reliable sources. Looking at the sources cited in the article, some of the independent sources do include the commas, while some do not. When the usage in independent sources is inconsistent, Wikipedia guidelines say to use the form that most resembles ordinary English. I believe ordinary English would include the commas (or some other punctuation such as semicolons or full stops or dashes). —BarrelProof (talk) 16:38, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support per nom. The correct title is whatever it says on the actual album. External sources are inconsistant and include other variations with additional or different punctuation. But it's not our place to add punctuation where it doesn't exist. PC78 (talk) 15:18, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

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