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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 02:02, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

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Everard F. Aguilar

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  • Reviewed: Dog & Bull
  • Comment: Still working on it. Part of the career section was copied from Philip Saunders but there is sufficient new material for a new DYK

Created by Philafrenzy (talk) and Whispyhistory (talk). Nominated by Philafrenzy (talk) at 15:58, 17 January 2021 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: ALT0 is fine, and has an online citation ("Between the devil and the deep blue sea") in the text. However there are minor issues. 1. Regarding the language and citation of ALT1: its language is unclear to me. I had to read the article and the citation ("Between the Devil") to work out that it meant that Aguilar had contributed one of the chapters in the book which was written by Fleming. On re-reading ALT1, yes the hook does say that, but it's not clear at first glance. It just needs to be clearer and simpler. 2. Also, ALT1 is not written out in the same way in the text with its citation next to it, so if ALT1 is to have a chance, you must do that. 3. The phrase, "third and youngest son" rings the plagiarism bell (re The Daily Gleaner: "Mr Everard Aguilar dies") - OK no-one would sue WP for that, but to get it through DYK you need to rephrase it. 4. QPQ pending. Apart from those minor issues, which are easily remedied, this is a nice article, and I thank you for this. I like the way that you make his difficult personality clear, while keeping the article neutral - I think all the best biogs are like that. Keep up the good work! Storye book (talk) 15:40, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, I am looking into the Fleming connection and will expand on it shortly. Philafrenzy (talk) 19:45, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for the QPQ; I've adjusted the review accordingly. I've also struck out point 1, regarding the clarity of ALT1 - I think I was being too picky. I look forward to seeing the other issues resolved - that should be quite straightforward. Storye book (talk) 09:51, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
Placing a hold on this nomination until Philafrenzy completes their review at Template:Did you know nominations/Dele Fadele; that QPQ was assigned to a nomination of theirs that has been promoted despite being incomplete. Once that review is done, this can be promoted, but not until. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:56, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
BlueMoonset Philafrenzy continued the review and the nominator is working on fixing the issues. I think it might be considered complete enough now. SL93 (talk) 08:36, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
  • This review is not resolved yet, and it would be good to complete this one. Issue 2 could be resolved quickly if ALT1 is struck out and we just use ALT0. Issue 3 is very minor indeed, and could be resolved by rephrasing or deleting "third and youngest son" - or "third son"/"youngest son" would do. Philafrenzy? Storye book (talk) 10:28, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
  • No worries. I was just attempting to remind the nominator and to make things as easy as possible for them. Storye book (talk) 11:17, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
  • It shall have my attention shortly. Philafrenzy (talk) 15:22, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
  • The QPQ issue has been dealt with, but it's been two and a half weeks since Philafrenzy posted It shall have my attention shortly. Just a friendly ping; this is currently the oldest DYK nomination at over two months, and should be concluded soon. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:47, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Thank you, Bluemoonset, for the prompt, and thank you, Philafrenzy, for improving the article today. I'm just adding a note here to say that I have not yet seen points 2 and 3 of the review resolved. Re point 2: the content of ALT1 is written out OK in the article text now, and it has a citation, however the citatation does not mention Aguilar - it just says that a team did it. Storye book (talk) 13:47, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
Thanks, the Horry article says he did it. I don't think we need to rephrase short statements of fact such as "third and youngest son" as they are not generally regarded as plagiarism. Philafrenzy (talk) 13:50, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Plagiarism "phrases that are the simplest and most obvious way to present information; sentences such as "John Smith was born on 2 February 1900" lack sufficient creativity to require attribution." Philafrenzy (talk) 13:59, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
  • for ALT0 and ALT1. Thank you for your updates and your improvement of the article, Philafrenzy, all sorted now. Sorry I must have missed the Horry citation. I'm always pretty thorough with the copyvio aspect of reviews because that helps prevent the hassle of the nom being thrown out of prep. So let's see how this one fares. Good luck, and good to go. Storye book (talk) 14:17, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
Thank you. I think the Alt is the better hook as the other is about something not happening. Philafrenzy (talk) 17:23, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
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