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Hello, ed. I've been quite busy lately, so I can only do small things with the Shannara articles and I think they're getting along quite well. However, I think you're putting too much trust on them, none of them are actually ready for even a GA, let alone an FA. Sorry to say it, but at least the nomination will bring us some more comments on how to improve it. Cheers, Zacharycrimsonwolf 12:49, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
Hey, Sword is already a GA. =) I agree that none of the others are ready...there just aren't enough sources!!!! I think that it is close to FA...I'm hoping that the nomination will get it to be a borderline FA and let it pass or someone ambles along with another source that flings it to FA quality. -talk-the_ed17-contribs- 13:02, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
Hi thanks for the invite, I take it that means you accept my edits to your article as useful even though Shannara is one of the few fantasy sagas I've not yet got round to reading. I lurk at wp:fa, reading many of the candidate articles there and tweaking things when I see typos, poor English or other errors - though I rarely comment as to whether something meets FA as I feel one has to know a subject to say whether an article covers it well. However your article did make me wonder why I've not yet got around to reading that saga, but I'm sure you'll understand me not deciding whether or not to join your project until such time as I've read the books. TTFN ϢereSpielChequers 13:59, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
Well, yes, your edits helped a bunch! I had mixed up the brothers, but your half-fix (you only fixed one =]) drew my attention to my stupidity, so thanks! Feel free to comment on the FAC or change anything—it's okay. If something you change is wrong, mark it with a question mark in the edit summary and I'll check it! If you do start to read the saga, and you decide to start with Sword, you have to read The Elfstones of Shannara as well, even if you don't like Sword. Why? Because Sword is "a long, hard slog" (quoted from Sword's first FAC)...but Elfstones, in my opinion, is 2x-3x better. I have a mini-booke-rating thing a=on my user page, if you want to take a look... And that's no problem if you don't want to join until you read the; I understand. Thanks for replying! -talk-the_ed17-contribs- 14:25, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the invitation. I seem to have messed up your talk page by adding {{talkback}} earlier. Sorry about that, and for the late response. I'll try to help, but I don't think I will be very useful there since I don't have much experience at improving articles at a high level as FA. I don't know if I'm the right person for this. I might go and mess it up rather than improve it ;) ChamalTalk± 12:00, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
No, you didn't mess it up; I am supposed to remove it after I've seen your message at your page anyway. =) If you do mess it up, it's no big deal—I can change it back! I just need an editor who has never seen the article before...I'm too close to it, and therefore I can't see some of the errors I made...Thanks and cheers, -talk-the_ed17-contribs- 16:26, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
Sorry I took a while to respond.
Took a look at the work you've all done. Seems to be quite a lot; makes me feel guilty. However I find the plot still not quite as brilliant as it can be. But it will do.
I'll try to help with the nom, but my time is limited at helping...
NO problem; I don't expect you to be on 24/7! It's not too much... but thanks for donating your time! -talk-the_ed17-contribs- 17:34, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
Shannara co-ordinator
Having just seen your self reversion. I for one would be quite happy for anyone (sensible) who is willing to take up such roles, regardless of what they are called. I might put back the label and prefix it with "informal" to indicate the possible provisional nature. More strength to your elbow.! :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 08:12, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
If you want to volunteer for either position, that's cool. No need to inform me. :) Remember, however, that you don't need to be "coordinator" of anything in order to provide help others and/or give input where it's needed most within the project. You're doing a great job on the Shannara articles, and that's what counts. María(habla conmigo) 17:06, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
Well, ah, thanks! I like compliments. =D -talk-the_ed17-contribs- 17:35, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
Random Question...
When you edit a page the numbers that are beside it such examples as (-5) or (+5} red means bad and green means good, but what do they actually mean?
How many characters were added or subtracted....like if you add a period to a page, you'll see a (+1). If you remove a periods, you'll see a (-1)... Is that clear? Or should I try to explain it again? =) -talk-the_ed17-contribs- 16:23, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
No sir, that is clear enough. I have another question about signatures. i tried looking it up before I asked you, that way I could save you trouble, but I couldn't find out how. How do you get color on your signatures?
Alright, this explanation will be complicated. =) Create a sub-page, such as User:HairyPerry/signature. Then create your sig using HTML...if you want to use a version of my sig, see User:the_ed17/signature, or take a look through my sig's history for a different version. (Also, for different colors, see web colors).
After you like your sig, go to your Preferences, find the 'signature' box, and type {{subst:User:HairyPerry/signature}} in the box...then (don't forget this!) check the 'raw signature' checkbox thing...
If you need more help, I can make a basic one for you, and then you can modify it to your heart's content. =D Cheers! -talk-the_ed17-contribs- 17:40, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
I'd like for you to make a basic signature for me, please. I want to see what to do and stuff through the coding and everything.
Again, to change the color, just look though the web colors article...use the #'s. =D -talk-the_ed17-contribs- 17:49, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
Shannara/Alannon: Where does this go?
That stuff about Allanon, and what he symbolized we decided on in the previous talk session? Where should it go?
"Allanon represents all remaining knowledge in a living person from before the Great Wars, he also represents the Last of the Great Druids. The Druids were the Council of Advisors that advised and helped the Four Lands improve the quality of their lives through through the teaching and application of technology and magic, before the Great Wars."
I added it The Sword of Shannara section...tell me if you like it. -talk-the_ed17-contribs- 22:05, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
Novels Project newsletter
As a coordinator for "Shannara" Task forces, could you post any Task force news, Peer Reviews, Assessments and DYK for the Project for this month to the Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Outreach/Newsletter tip line in a concise format per usual newsletter standard so it can be included in the next newsletter. Closing date is last day of September. Can you also continue to do this for each month so members know what is happening in regards to the Task Force. Thx Boylo (talk) 02:00, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
Sure! There won't be much, but I'll do what I can...Cheers! -talk-the_ed17-contribs- 22:00, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
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talk page at Pearl Harbor
I agree that some of the comments you just deleted were frivolous, but I have to ask that you to refrain from removing comments, whatever they are. The foolishness an editor may have left on a talk page should stay there. ww (talk) 18:20, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
Alright, fine. =) I just put them into my archive here anyway! Cheers, -talk-the_ed17-contribs- 18:28, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
Caught you vandalizing the page, did they, Mac? Serves you right. =] It's on my watchlist, so I'd've noticed eventually (I broke a bone in my ankle over the weekend, so I've been gimping around the last day or so & off my game), but thanks for the heads up, anyhow. Clay Rileybite me, fanboy 18:44, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
Not vandalizing, simply moving them over to my archive—they were very off-topic. =) Ouch! I've never broken a bone in my life, lucky me, so =p -talk-the_ed17-contribs- 18:47, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
FYI, the A-bombs killed on the order of 100K; the numbers have varied pretty widely, & depend to some degree on if you count radiation deaths yrs postwar or just those killed on the day. Some of it is Japanese "revisionism", trying to make the U.S. look bad, & some of it is peaceniks (& Sov agents of influence in peace groups; see Barron [sp?], Inside KGB, IIRC) trying to get (Western) nukes banned. As to "necessary"? Ask me sometime. Or read Alperovitz's Decision to Drop the Atomic Bomb; also Racing the Enemy, despite its (unjustified & unsubstantiated, IMO) anti-Truman POV. (Anybody who wants to know about the Pacific War, or about WW2 generally, should. I'd make 'em required reading in HS history.) TREKphilerhit me ♠ 18:58, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
<--You have to understand Master Mold's a little touchy about that sort of thing. A bit like Rush Limbaugh around Democrats. ;D Charles Xavieri knew you'd say that 23:46, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
Signature
Hi its me again, I have created a signature, but I can't figure out how to make it come up when I use the 4 tidles. Can you help me, please! This time can you comment on my talk page. Thanks and Happy Editing.
Ok, you can talk on your page now. I sense some sarcasm, punk...jk don't report me or nothing i'm just playiong around. But yeah I appreciate your patience and help with me. Thank and Happy Editing.
Answered on the election page. TomStar81 (Talk) 00:53, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
At Swim Two Birds
Thanks for the review of At Swim-Two-Birds. All your points are well taken except the one about the writing of the book under a pseudonym/acceptance of the book on the strength of Graham Greene's recommendation - what exactly do you object to here? There are a couple of minor references I could fix. The one about O'Nolan writing the book on an Underwood typewriter is actually referenced under note 14, I believe, but I don't like having lots of notes all linking to the same page in a book because I think it makes the article look cluttered less readable. I'll put it back in if you think it's a good idea. I have no references for the Dylan Thomas and Anthony Burgess quotes and I don't think that there is a source for the Thomas quote. It has been printed on the covers of editions of the book for decades and I have never, ever seen a source for it, neither in secondary literature on O'Nolan nor on Thomas, which leads me to suspect that it was solicited from Thomas by Longmans' marketing department. That's just speculation on my part, and the only evidence for it would be in Longmans' files, but they were bombed during WW2 and in any case looking there would constitute WP:ORIGINAL RESEARCH. I do not intend to do much more serious work on the article since, as I said, I'm not even interested in the book. I just wanted to see what would happen if I sent the article for review. Thanks again. Lexo (talk) 08:49, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
I'm sorry, I should have been more clear. I was talking about how the first sentence says that "...it was published..." while the next sentence says "...it was accepted for publication..."! My suggestion is to flip them and put the "accepted" section first.
Just add a/the reference to the end of that paragraph then.
Umm...hmmmmm.....how about you add a ref with, say this: <ref>Quote found on the dust jacket of the 1st edition hardcover edition</ref> (I don't know if that's right (did they only appear on the 1st edition dustjacket?)
Ello! I'll be honest and say that I don't have a clue... a guess would be that that appears with any change you do that uses wiki-formating/HTML? I really don't know though. Try the Help Desk... Cheers! -talk-the_ed17-contribs- 17:41, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
Reply
Hey, thanks for the notice on that. I still have to review, though. Easy quick fail for maintenance tags. Cheers.--LAAFansignreview 23:58, 24 September 2008 (UTC) P.S. Like your newcomers subpage in your sig.
Yep, just making sure that you knew! =) And thanks...I've been welcoming more noobs lately, so i figured that I should have something. Cheers to you too! -talk-the_ed17-contribs- 00:05, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Well, it's really a good page.... almost like a crash course adoption. :) LAAFansignreview 00:11, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
I try...if it helps 2 newbies become great editors here, then it was worth the 10-15 minutes it took to create it! -talk-the_ed17-contribs- 00:14, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Well, you deserve this then.... commented out barnstar, moved to my userpage. -talk-the_ed17-contribs- 00:21, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Done Added to my watchlist ;) --LAAFansignreview 00:19, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Sweet.....that was very unexpected. ;D Thanks a bunch! -talk-the_ed17-contribs- 00:21, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Man, that was the barnstar I've received in months. Thanks. :)--LAAFansignreview 01:10, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
LaPianista(T•C•S•R) has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Cheers, and Happy editing! Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.
Hi, I am not surprised that you missed the initials, but I've blocked this account, leaving it open for the editor to choose another username, just in case. Cheers. --Rodhullandemu 01:06, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Oops....=) FunnySickening kids these days. -talk-the_ed17-contribs- 01:08, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
ty again bro, can i take u up on that offer, and ask how to nominate someone for admin Arisedrew (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 22:12, 26 September 2008 (UTC).
No prob. To nominate someone, you've got to ask the user you want to nominate. (They have to accept your nomination!) I don't know the process beyond that, but take a look through WP:RfA and see what you can find. Cheers! —the_ed17— 22:15, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
And, by the way, it's 4 ~~~~'s, not 3. =) —the_ed17— 22:16, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
lol i messed up sig again lol sorry, ok then is it ok if i nominate u for admin Arisedrew (talk) 22:19, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
You'll learn! And thanks for the offer, but I'm going to respectfully decline. The voters at RfA are vicious, and I don't feel like being ripped into little bits. Maybe in a month or two! On the flip side, do you want me to adopt you? —the_ed17— 22:28, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
ahh man sad to hear, but tell me if u ever do youd make a good admin. im not very sure what adopting is though, if its teaching me to edit and stuff then im good thanks though, i really just joined wikipedia to fix grammar in articles lol, though my talk messages dont show it Arisedrew (talk) 22:36, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Take a look at the link (this link)...if you still don't want to be adopted, that's fine. =) And, no, your talk messages DON'T show it! XD —the_ed17— 22:38, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
well if it involves teaching me how to get out of the stuff i somehow got into in my talk page count me in. lol Arisedrew (talk) 18:10, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
(outdent) I can't get you out of anything. However, I can help you learn some of the ways of Wikipedia, so that it doesn't happen twice/you get blocked. Cheers! —the_ed17— 19:46, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
In-universe
Your rewrite of the article didn't change that, unfortunately. WP:IN-U can be a very frustrating policy to deal with, but it's essential so that Wikipedia doesn't come across like a mega-fan site. I know this firsthand ... I took Dunder Mifflin to where it is now, a GA, from this, tagged in-universe (As a result it's now included in the list of exemplary articles at WP:WAF. Those are good examples to study, as I learned from them when redeveloping the Dunder Mifflin article.
The article's main problem is the lack of real-world perspective. I think your shot at a DYK is probably over, but you can certainly do what it takes to develop it to something with a shot at GA. Consider looking through interviews with the author to see if he talks about that element of the plot and why he chose to include it, or interviews or writings by noted fantasy critics to see what they say. That's what you need — critical analysis and commentary — if nothing else. Daniel Case (talk) 14:25, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
"Welcome"?
Since I've been on Wikipedia for 2 and a half years now, I'm a little confused as to why you just "welcomed" me. TheStripèdOne (talk) 17:34, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
No worries, just a little confused. :) Thanks for the (belated) welcome!TheStripèdOne (talk) 21:14, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
Whoa, I missed this reply. =) You're welcome! Cheers! —the_ed17— 21:59, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Just telling you...
The link you sent me redirects to the help desk, so why don't you try Help Desk, you have way more experience than me and I am not being smart just a helpful piece of information I thought. Thanks and Happy Editing.
Hi. If you'd be willing to adopt me, I'd be very grateful. Thanks. OllieFury (talk) 16:12, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Sure, I will, but if Zachary wants you, I'll have to give you to him. =) (I'm talking about you like your some sort of lost puppy! =D) —the_ed17— 16:14, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
So how does this work. Do you just watch what I do? OllieFury (talk) 16:17, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Give me 5-10 minutes, and I'll set it up! Cheers, —the_ed17— 16:19, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for that classroom. Am I free to edit it? OllieFury (talk) 17:04, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the offer for adoption, sounds like a great idea. What do we need to do to get started? Pennywisdom2099 (talk) 06:15, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Hold on for a minute... —the_ed17— 06:15, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Shea Ohmsford
Moved to awards page on 20:21, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
—Ed 17for PresidentVote for Ed 20:21, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
Your Local Time
Since I'm no expert in time zones or Michigan in general, could you tell me what your local time is now, so I can see when we're both likely to be around. Since it midnight here, it must be 6pm, 7pm or 8pm where you are, I can't decide! OllieFury (talk) 22:57, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Lol! No problem, it's 7:00 p.m. here; 5 hour diff. (CST) Cheers, —the_ed17— 23:00, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
BLOOOODY MUURDER!!!
SO when is the next season of Bloody murder you put on lapiansta's page! So funny!--Spittlespat (talk) 01:19, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Wow. Random admirers...I feel special! Ummm maybe it'll be sooner then I thought...lol!... Keep an eye one la pianista's talk page....if there is another one, it'll probably be there. XD —the_ed17— 04:02, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Heh, look: we already have fans! :D :D :D
Maybe we should start a skit or something called BLOOOODY MUURDER!!!
And, uh, wondering why the bed bugs aren't biting? I'm not in bed. Meh. The 'holism is too severe to be cured. —LaPianista(T•C•S•R) 05:44, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Special, aren't we?
Maybe...the question is, could we even think of enough content for multiple "episodes"?
Slightly, but why would I care? Psh. You're nothing. Woman. =D =D =D =D
Like my edit summary for the "bed bugs" edit? —the_ed17— 05:46, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Hey, lay off the chauvinist. Psh. You're nothing. Man. =D =D =D How do you like it now? I'll turn everything back on you...like some demented mirror.
HA. HA. HA.
</joke> Sorry. Had to say that. Perhaps that'll be our idea?
But...siryuzlyz (I think that's how I spelt it last time)...I'm off to bed. Really. Now. Bye. -transmission ends- —LaPianista(T•C•S•R) 05:50, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
How about we agree to disagree on our chauvinist viewpoints? =)
LOL you mean use that edit summary for our idea? Oh wow. We are gonna work in a demented mirror if we do....;D
Alrighty, dis'll be waitin' for ya when ya hop back to da coputer. —the_ed17— 05:58, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Yo yo yo! Da pianista is in da howz!
So wat we got goin' 'ere? —LaPianista(T•C•S•R) 20:10, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Oh I dunno...how about you get to be the victim this time...SineBot never saved me, so I'm still injured. =) —the_ed17— 02:29, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
TangoBot to the rescue! He'll give you useless reports about RfA candidates you've never even met before, thereby patching up your injuries. Plus, he has the force. —LaPianista(T•C•S•R) 23:19, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
Oh my, I'm healed. HEALED! I'm ready to do...something? I don't really know what... —the_ed17— 02:08, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
By the way...
Someone seems to share your sentiments. Either that, or we, my friend, have sparked a meme. —LaPianista(T•C•S•R) 02:43, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
LOL that would be awesome!!! Imagine the media trying to explain what "SineBot" is to Non-Wikipedians....XD —the_ed17— 03:31, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
Who knows? Let's keep it up for a few seasons and see. :) —LaPianista(T•C•S•R) 19:59, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
Okay then! You start the monologue. =p —the_ed17— 21:07, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
The Sword of Shannara
Hi! How's The Sword of Shannara coming along now? I saw it was not promoted to FA, so are you still working on getting it done in the future? Sorry about the very little help I could give, but I had not even read the book :D first time I heard of it, in fact. ChamalTalk± 06:15, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
I'm trying. MacLean25 e-mailed me some sources, so we'll see. A PR is open for it, so we'll see what happens....hopefully it gets to FA! Thanks for caring!
You ought to read it. It's a decent book...though if you want to start out with the best, read The Elfstones of Shannara...amazing book. =) —the_ed17— 06:28, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
about bloody murder
Are you making a new episode about bed bugs? I thought you were doing one about sinebot and also I know how to get sinebot's attention just simply don't sign your name! Can't wait for episode 2!Spittlespat (talk) 23:35, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
(e/c)Wow, we've got a die-hard fan, here, Ed! Erm, but Sinebot hath just missed ye. Hmm...
And Spittlespat, haven't you seen my response on my talk page yet? Have a look if you didn't. —LaPianista(T•C•S•R) 23:39, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
(after edit conflict). Bah, never mind. Spittle contacted me, and he signed. So, meh...again. —LaPianista(T•C•S•R) 23:39, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Humph, we are going to have to make a secret page to keep our new episode ideas a secret! XD (And I know how to get SineBot to sign...it's just that we edited the talkpage before SineBot could get his/its next data dump, I think.) —the_ed17— 02:28, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
Unfortunately, the article Skull Bearers (Shannara) did not pass the good article review. You may see the details of the review, and suggestions for improvement, at Talk:Skull Bearers (Shannara)/GA1. The article has been removed from WP:GAN, although you may add it back to the bottom of the list if you would like a second opinion or if you would like it to be reviewed again after you make some changes. Thank you. —Politizer( talk • contribs ) 15:58, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
Eh, it was worth a try. They were minor characters after all, so I figured that a short article might suffice...Thanks for reviewing it! Cheers, —the_ed17— 16:39, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
GA reviews
I've had a chance to address some of the issues you had with the GA reviews of MS West Grama and USS West Corum (ID-3982). When you take a look at them please let me know if you have any further questions. Thanks! — Bellhalla (talk) 16:06, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
I answered your question at this GA review. =) Toughie! —the_ed17— 17:18, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
Hello! I've addressed your points on the GAR on the Roman–Parthian War of 58–63. Please check it and let me know if there's anything else. Cheers, Constantine ✍ 23:04, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your review and constructive criticism, and take care! Best regards, Constantine ✍ 13:41, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the award
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Hi, I was wondering why you archived two WP:NOVELS reviews? The instructions say that requests may be archived "after they have been inactive for some time, or when the article is nominated as a featured article candidate". Some time, for me, wouldn't mean less than a week; you added reviews to both of these requests on the 24th, so I would not say they are as of yet inactive. Also, "peer-review=yes" is still present on the separate article's talk pages in the project banner, so the reviews are still technically open... María(habla conmigo) 12:21, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Humph...It's a good question, because I don't remember why i archived them...busy work or something of the like? I'll revert myself and put them back on there. —the_ed17— 15:03, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
