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Surely they are "Surrealist artists" and not just "Women Surrealist Artists"

Can I ask why you have removed several women from the "Surrealist artists" categories? There are several women artists who are just in the "Women surrealist artists" category and not the "Surrealist artists" category. Surely they are "Surrealist artists" and not just "Women surrealist artists". We can do better than this.

Before yesterday, there were about 30 artists in the "Surrealist artists" category and they were all men. This needs to change.Breadteam (talk) 16:34, 4 September 2020 (UTC)


Hi, I think you are missing, or ignoring. the role of Category:British surrealist artists and the other national categories. I think a male surrealist artist should appear only in the appropriate national category, whereas a women surrealist would appear in both her national category and the Women surrealist category. Putting all the artists in just the Surrealist artist category would, potentially, give a overlong list of little use to readers in finding articles of interest. If the nationality of the artist is unknown or uncertain, or an appropriate national category dosnt exist, then use the Surrealist artist category or create a new national category. The way to improve the current situation is to assign the articles in Surrealist artists to their national categories. Also please don't put individuals in the Surrealist artists by nationality category as that is a container for other categories not individual articles. Hope that's clear. Best regards. 14GTR (talk) 16:40, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

NB Above reply Copied from Talk:Fanny Brennan14GTR (talk) 16:43, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

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Can't see the improvement. Her London birth, in particular, does not seem ledeworthy. Valetude (talk) 21:42, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

She spent the her first ten years in London, and it reads better, less ands.14GTR (talk) 21:52, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

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Thank you. It's a enjoyable area to work on.14GTR (talk) 13:49, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

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Cherryl Fountain

Thank you for your edit on the above article. I'm just letting you know out of courtesy that the article is currently being re-written entirely and expanded by the creator, using new information and citations, and that the existing article will be replaced. All beneficial intervening edits will be taken into consideration of course, and included where possible. However you may wish to wait until the article is replaced (hopefully within days) rather than responding to what has been a severely damaged and depleted article. All the best. Storye book (talk) 11:08, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. Step by step might be a better way to proceed but either way, if that's what you want to do, fine, please carry on.

Best regards. 14GTR (talk) 11:34, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind cooperation. Much appreciated. Sadly I can't do the job step by step in mainspace because, due to new information, the whole thing needs rearranging. But more importantly for me, I need to be able to do the job at all. I attempted to edit another article in situ previously in the face of an ongoing bullying incident (yes, another female biography), and it was almost impossible if I was called away by other duties and had to do a quick save. When I came back, the same editors had deleted all of my edit on the grounds of incompleteness, and when I tried to complete it they reverted again. Due to that behaviour, I could not continue to edit that article. By recreating the article away from mainspace, I can present completed work, which hopefully will not cause misunderstandings. I hope to be able to complete the job in a few days, but I'm currently chasing up offline citations on the phone and by email (no access to travel, libraries etc. in person for me during the pandemic) and this can take time. Before the internet I used to pride myself in being able to get almost any information by phone within half an hour, but right now many sources are closed down. Wish me luck! Storye book (talk) 12:51, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
I would struggle to see the benefit of rearranging the whole article rather than adding to the existing article as new references become available. Might be an easier way to proceed - just a thought. There are no deadlines on Wikipedia articles, after all so don't stress yourself in trying to fill any gaps in the article, you may be aware of. Take care.14GTR (talk) 13:36, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for your support! :-D Storye book (talk) 14:11, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
@14GTR: I have now replaced, expanded and improved the article Cherryl Fountain as promised. Please see the edit summary and the new discussion section on the talkpage. I still have a lot more to do becasue research is ongoing and I expect to have more citations soon. I hope I've covered everything and respected everyone's previous contributions. Thank you for your kind support so far. Storye book (talk) 16:13, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

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Hello. I am currently writing about Violet Hilda Drummond, a British illustrator/artist. I noticed that her name is in a list you created at Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/United Kingdom artists. I was wondering if you had access to the three sources listed for Drummond:

  • Artists in Britain Since 1945 Vol 1, A to L by David Buckman (2006)
  • The Dictionary of 20th Century British Book Illustrators by Alan Horne (1994)
  • British Women Artists. A Biographical Dictionary of 1000 Women Artists in the British Decorative Arts by Sara Gray (2019)

If you do, would you be able to send me Drummond's entry in these 3 sources? I'm primarily interested in Gray as I have not been able to track down a copy. My local library does have Buckman and Horne, but I currently can't access either of them due to library restrictions with the virus. If you can't access any of them, then that's OK. In that case, I will see if anyone else at the Resource Exchange has a copy. Thanks! --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 23:27, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi, I have copies of both Buckman and Gray with me here at home but I don't the Horne volume. I can send you a summary of their main points or add the material later if you create an article on her. I'm happy to proceed either way. The entry in Buckman is quite short, basic dates etc, while Gray has a list of her published works. Let me know how you want to proceed. Cheers.14GTR (talk) 23:41, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
@14GTR: Hello there. If you want to add Buckman and Gray later, that'd be great! I have a lot of sources for her literary career, and not much about her artwork. Therefore, I can wait since I have many sources to work tbrough first. Whatever you find would be helpful afterwards. I'll let you know once I finish. Thank you! :) --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 02:18, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
Hello, OK, that's fine - just drop me a line here when you are ready for me to add anything. Best wishes.14GTR (talk) 11:11, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
@14GTR: Hello again. I just finished V.H. Drummond. I'd much appreciate if you could help expand her artwork career with Buckman and Gray. Currently, I don't have much info on that part. Thanks! --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 03:02, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
Hi thanks for writing the article. I've added a few extra details from the two sources available to me and cleaned up Drummond's Wikidata page. Hope that's of some help. Best regards.14GTR (talk) 14:34, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
@14GTR: Awesome! Could you please add page numbers to those sources? It'd help prevent them from being tagged with page needed. Thanks again for the expansion! --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 18:31, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

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I've reviewed your changes to the Alice Berger Hammerschlag article and I am at a loss as to why you have removed a third of the text. Nevermind excessive text, that's excessive removal! You have removed a substantial proportion of which most was very relevant eg. Deborah Brown is one of the greatest currently living Irish artists, and had a lifelong friendship with Hammerschlag. Their works were closely paralleled, particularly in the 1950s and 1960s. They also had several shows together.

You have also re-introduced inaccuracies which had previously been removed eg. Kunstgewerbeschule, which by itself is completely meaningless, as it is a type of school, "Kunstgewerbeschule Vienna" would mean something different, ie. the Vienna School of Arts and Craft. And on that note your misunderstanding is compounded by the use of "the Vienna School of Arts and Crafts" ie. a repeat of the Kunstgewerbeschule, with the added 'bonus' of a specific location. For clarity: Cizek instructed Hammerschlag in private classes after her normal schoolday. When she later enrolled at the Vienna School of Arts & Crafts Cizek had moved elsewhere.

I note that for some bizarre reason you have also decided that the section headings are not necessary. These are included for ease of reading/comprehension. To remove them just comes across as vandalism.

You have also removed an honorary suffix for which that artist worked very hard to attain. If you don't understand the suffix, then I'll happily explain. -I could continue with other details but I'd like to think you would review your own editing and accept that in this instance you have erred. Regards Suburbanabstrakt (talk) 11:10, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

I will be happy to review my edits sometime in the next few days but the article had become bloated with minor details and verging on unreadable with several badly consructed sentances. I resent your accusation of vandalism.14GTR (talk) 17:40, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

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Thanks for your request but I'm not familiar with that particular individual nor the situation in Seattle more generally and as such do not feel able to contribute. Thank you for taking the time to ask and working within the guidelines. Best regards.14GTR (talk) 09:30, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

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Hi, 14GTR, how are you? I don't know if the above billet-doux is about the Gill photo you uploaded, but that's what I'm here about: rightly or wrongly, I've nominated it for deletion, as it seems to me that there's a reasonable free-use alternative that probably invalidates your free-use rationale. The discussion is here, I'll be interested to see the outcome. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 22:08, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

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Now that a little time has passed and the obligation to provide page numbers been explained, I wondered if perhaps you might be ready to reconsider your objection to Harvard referencing being used for book citations at the Eric Gill article? I think we both agree that the style[123]: 456  is just ugly, even though it is an MOS-compliant notation.

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I'd like to revisit the question of citation style again. Would you have a look at the discussion at (a) Help talk:Citation Style 1/Archive 92#Successions of REF-plus-Rp pairs and (b) a subsequent conversation I had with SMcCandlish at on the issue, please?

When there are multiple detailed citations of a book source, we are required to cite the specific page. The method {{sfnp|McCarthy|1989|123}} is easy to use, displays neatly in the article as a simple superscript nummber and is straightforward replacement for <ref name="McCarthy1989" />{{rp|123}} which, as I think we agree, is an ugly mess. I hope you will find the arguments presented in the debate more persuasive than mine of a couple of years ago and will agree to the citation style being changed. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 20:49, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

This summary might help: It's correct that for long sources we expect page numbers somewhere in the citation, or the material is not properly verifiable; leaving it off is simply an incomplete citation, and any editor is empowered to fix that. In 2020, the community deprecated parenthetical citations (see WP:PARENTHETICAL), which is the placing of citation information inline in the article text instead of in a footnote. {{Rp}} is a form of parenthetical citation (namely, putting the in-source location, typically page numbering, inside the main article text instead of in a footnote for the source), so it needs to be replaced. I'm the one who wrote that {{rp}} template in the first place, many years ago, and it is obsolete now and must be phased out.
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I don't see any point or benefit in changing what is now the established cite style for the article in question. Best regards.14GTR (talk) 08:30, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

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