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January 2016 - December 2021

On terminology

I have noticed some of your constructive posts in some talk pages and would appreciate your view on a question I posted here. Thanks. --Caballero//Historiador ☊ 13:51, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Old Norsk in Sicily

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Cesar River, Chile

You introduced the idea in 2008. Google does not confirm the existence of such river. There is probably Laguna Cesar.Xx236 (talk) 10:24, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

See revised article: Cesar River, Chile and citation there. Google maps shows the river here. --Bejnar (talk) 05:26, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Discussion on sources

At a talk page I wrote "sources must discuss the subject of the article" and you replied "Not entirely true; sources must support the statements made, and conclusions need to be conclusions of the cited sources in order to avoid synthesis or original research." The problem is that I have seen numerous instances of editors adding sourced material that doesn't mention the subject of the article and while they are obviously making a point not in the sources, they aren't drawing conclusions, but writing in such a way that readers will draw conclusions. If you'd like to discuss this would you ping me please? Thanks. Doug Weller talk 10:42, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

@Doug Weller: I found your original phraseology a bit too restricting. I do agree that it can be considered synthesis where something (something less than obvious) is implied by using a citation that correctly makes the point cited for, but does not mention the subject of the article; however, I see that setting the background facts for a topic can be done without the author of the source having even considered the topic in question. Examples would be things like, "When his hometown of Stettin was overrun by the Red Army [citing to a source that doesn't mention him], he was serving on the Western front under General Foertsch and was subsequently interred in the Rheinwiesenlager.[citing source that does mention him]" or "Early studies of stone-age man in the Pyrenees focused primarily on cave deposits [citing to a source that expressly concludes that, but one that doesn't mention mesolithic pottery], and it wasn't until Santonja investigated the alluvial deposits in the Meseta Central that mesolithic pottery entered the picture.[citing a source for the first discovery of Iberian mesolithic pottery, but not mentioning the previous emphasis just on caves]." Another example would be a biographical article where the individual came from Pomerania, but source A only says that he came from Stettin, it seems entirely resonable to use another source (B) that says that Stettin was a major industrial center in Pomerania even though source B doesn't mention the article's topic. --Bejnar (talk) 02:34, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
The example I have in mind is the article on the Black Egyptian Hypothesis. There's an article in the BMJ about Ramesses III written with the objective " To investigate the true character of the harem conspiracy described in the Judicial Papyrus of Turin and determine whether Ramesses III was indeed killed." It mentions a haplotype found in his mummy and another one and concludes the two are related. It doesn't say anything about the race of Egyptians, their origin, etc. But there are continued attempts by socks and others to add it to the article, sometimes with a statement that it's a subSaharan haplotype. Which is true but not all the truth, and was also found in a set of Norse Viking skeletons from Northern England. So a reliable source, but only for the purpose it was written for. Doug Weller talk 16:02, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
@Doug Weller: I appreciate that you were striving for brevity as well as clarity in your example, but I may have missed the twist in your example. It is not sufficient to dismiss a source because it was not written "for the purpose of proving or disproving an hypothesis". The point is whether it is used inappropriately to suggest something that is not only not stated, but subject to question. I am not a geneticist, but whether or not a particular haplotype is substantially present in subSaharan populations and is substantially absent elsewhere would seem to be a factual issue, and not dependent upon what article it was being used in. If the twist here is that the second part of the equation (substantially absent elsewhere) is not addressed, then the statement should be removed not because of any infirmity in the source with regard to the existence of the haplotype in the mummy, but because the "fact" (present in subSaharan populations and substantially absent elsewhere) is not established by sources. --Bejnar (talk) 06:03, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
So far as I recall, consensus has always been about cherry-picking raw data from genetic reports, with the emphasis being on sticking to the analysis/conclusions sections. Even the use of abstracts has been criticised at times as they aren't always written by the authors of the report. What you are talking about sounds very much like WP:SYNTHESIS, combining two or more sources to make an argument. Looks like we'll have to agree to disagree. Doug Weller talk 06:25, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
@Doug Weller: It well may be WP:SYNTHESIS in your example, but the use of sources that do not mention the topic is not the problem, although it may be an indicator of where problems in WP:SYNTHESIS exist. --Bejnar (talk) 07:39, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
Ok, I take your point. I probably only notice this where it's clearly synthesis and don't notice it other wise. I do have a lot of fringe stuff on my watchlist. Doug Weller talk 07:49, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Tina Dabi page is not just about one event

Tina Dabi page is not just about one event. There are many similar pages like this but once there are ample third party credible sources , it can be created. Same have been done for many new cricketers, players whose pages have been created. Apart from being UPSC topper, its the hard working and inspiring story of Tina of being an incredible Dalit girl which is the main factor for creating the page.--Juneymb (talk) 03:46, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

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Parodi, Beed

Dead link.Xx236 (talk) 08:04, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

@Xx236: Thanks. Fixed. --Bejnar (talk) 16:03, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Do you know the Marathi name?Xx236 (talk) 05:47, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
पारोडी --Bejnar (talk) 19:10, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Arumeru District

My dear Bejnar hi!
Please see Talk:Arumeru District. With kindest regards! --Aristo Class (talk) 12:02, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

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December 2016

Hello Bejnar, I just found that many articles related to settlements in India were lacking of a language code. So that I just added the particular language code to those articles. Next time I will be more responsible and productive in such cases. Thank you for your guidance.Jayabilla (talk) 08:58, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

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Marisa Lazo

I saw your comment at the Marisa Lazo. Thanks for reading my comments.

You wrote: "...No redirect to Crane climbing, although it is possible that one of the reliable sources from this article might contribute content to the article, I see no need to mention specific climbers in that article, absent independent notability. "

I made a case for Lazo's independent notability in the AFD, which you said you did not find compelling. Farley, a highly respected psychologist, commented, at length, about the psychological aspects of Lazo's behaviour. Lazo's motivation remains a matter of speculation. But Farley used her as an example of the negative risk-taking of individuals like her.

I'd be interested in your opinion of this addition to the crane climbing article. Geo Swan (talk) 02:46, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

I think that it is more journalistic than encyclopedic and focuses unduely upon Marisa Lazo. What iwould be encyclopedic is: "One type of craane climber has been idenified as Type T personalities.[citation]" But only if the Type T personality was generally recognized. which apparently it is not. --Bejnar (talk) 13:01, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

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Doklam

Hello, I removed this sentence of yours from the Doklam page, China is believed to have not taken kindly to India building many new bunkers and upgrading older ones along the border in Sikkim in the recent past to augment its defences against the People's Liberation Army (PLA). It's not written in an encyclopedic style so that's why I have removed it for now until it has, thanks. I'm not sure if it's supposed to be a quote from the source. (137.147.162.243 (talk) 08:04, 6 July 2017 (UTC))

@Bejnar: Don't worry, I've reinstated it by quoting it from the source. (137.147.162.243 (talk) 08:11, 6 July 2017 (UTC))

Objectivism discussion

Hi - I saw you tried to ping me at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Objectivism by country but the extra bracket was missing. Since the discussion is closed, I thought I'd reach out here and explain my thinking. After a cursory reading of that article (now deleted), the Objectivism (Ayn Rand) article and Objectivist movement, and not being a movement expert in any way, it struck me from a layman's perspective that there was a lot of duplication in those articles. Since the Objectivism by country article was in no way as detailed as Christianity by country, it could be put into one of the main objectivism articles, but which one? Reading them both, there seems to be no reason to distinguish between the philosophy and the movement behind it. We do have an article for both Christianity and the Christian Movement, but the latter redirects to List of Christian movements, where there are dozens of religious, political and philosophical offshoots of Christianity. Unless you call Objectivist movement#The Peikoff.E2.80.93Kelley split a new movement, we're still talking about one movement, and as such it seemed to be a simple argument to make that the two articles should be combined. I'm in no way qualified to discuss what content should survive, but I'd like to hear an argument for keeping them separate. If I understand you correctly, you question whether the info should even be there in the first place. That's not my judgement - just that we don't need two articles. If others want to propose a merge, I'd likely support it, and the duplicate info (and unnecessary info) could be pared down then. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 20:28, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Robert Bundtzen

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I don't think this guy hits the bar for encyclopedic notability. There is no SNG for dog racing or the Iditarod, but since he's never come in better than 27th place I doubt he would qualify even if there was one. There is some minor local coverage from the Anchorage press, but nothing wider than that, so no GNG pass either.

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yes i do have the page numbers to Booss's book they are pages 573-579

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Hello, it was a very long time ago, but are you able to help add sources to Bara, Nigeria? Thanks for looking into this, Boleyn (talk) 19:50, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

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This hasn't been deleted – instead, I've reverted the page to before the copyright violations were added. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 17:28, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
I did create the Abor, Ghana page back in 2011, but the copyright violation was material added in September 2018 by SPA Padmorea. I am glad it got cleaned up. --Bejnar (talk) 20:09, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

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  • No, participants cannot conclude discussions, only disinterested parties. --Bejnar (talk) 12:09, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

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kaw dut change Koh Doot

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The time to be BOLD is not when your procedural proposal is (out-of-process) implemented and then reverted without discussion. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 01:53, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

@力: Could you provide links for what they did? --Bejnar (talk) 01:57, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
I could, but you can literally scroll up on Politics of Afghanistan to see the previous RM. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 01:59, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
@力: I meant being bold about creating a main article for the material about the Karzia-Ghani regime. You don't have to move the history, just reference the source article when you move the material. --Bejnar (talk) 02:07, 26@力: @力: August 2021 (UTC)
We already have an "article for the material about the Karzia-Ghani regime". It's currently at Politics of Afghanistan and I want it moved. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 02:09, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
@力: My error. I thought you wanted that material separated out from this article. --Bejnar (talk) 02:13, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Carley Shimkus

Am wondering if your opinion changed given the press releases indicating she's the new co-host of Fox & Friends First? Sucker for All (talk) 01:04, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

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