User talk:Celestina007/Archive 1

2017 AMVCA

Hello Celestina, hope this message finds you well. Please could you create an article for 2017 AMVCA or any of the films or actors and actresses that won during the ceremony? I should have done it myself but it isn't possible now. Thanks in anticipation. Darreg (talk) 07:01, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

@Darreg alright sir. I'd do just that. Celestina007 (talk) 21:20, 04 April 2017 (UTC)

@Darreg , I did a piece on Ebele Okaro check it out & if necessary please do edit. Thanks Celestina007 (talk) 16:09, 6 April 2017 (UTC) Celestina007 (talk) 22:44, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

Saveco Page

hello am trying to add a new article. its my first time and I wanted to do articles on all companies in our country owned by young entrepreneurs. could you help me understand what I did wrong? I used Tesco wiki page as my template on what to write. I do not mean to repeatedly edit but I keep having to find websites to cite to enter the information as i do not know the company employees to ask for info. thanks and sorry for the headache! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Q8tiwala (talk • contribs) 19:44, 14 April 2017 (UTC) Celestina007 (talk) 22:46, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi, what are the criteria for moving articles to draftspace?

As far as I know, a notable article can be kept in the namespace as long as it is notable. Why do you keep moving them at the draftspace? Thanks. Cinadon36 23:10, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

Cinadon36 first I appreciate your ability to communicate quickly. Now the problem is we are not fortune tellers nor magicians & as such we need reliable sources to substantiate any notability claims made in an article. Now you say an article can be kept on mainspace as long as it notable. Now how do we know the article’s subject is notable if reliable sources to substantiate this assertions are not in the article? Typically an article is moved back to draftspace for diverse reasons in your case it would be because the first one you published was a BLP not sourced at all & the second one you published was a BLP that was undersourced. What’s the rush? You could take all the time you want in your draftspace or sandbox to fully develop an article. Feel free to drop any message at my talk page as i am always here to guide anyone seeking further directions.Celestina007 (talk) 23:20, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the compliment at the very first sentence, I am sure we can work this out. You/Me/We can find out that is notable by clicking at the link provided at the very first edit summary of the articles I have created. It is a link to the FR.WP article with many citations. I only translate the lede, and usually at the lede there are no citations. I do not wish to "fully develop" an article, I like to kick-start it. It is a small brick to WP project, and other editors will contribute another brick. At the end, we will build a big big big Wall- a wall that unites people. Cheers. Cinadon36 23:30, 9 January 2020 (UTC)after edit conflict: What's a BLP???Cinadon36 23:30, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

A BLP is technically a biographical article of a living person.Celestina007 (talk) 23:43, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

Cinadon36 Sorry, but Celestina007 is wrong here. Your article is not a BLP; BLP stands for a biography of a living person. J947 ^(c), at 05:52, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

Hey Cinadon36, J947 apparently is correct here. I did not notice the part were “was” was used. So apparently your article isn’t a WP:BLP but a biographical article nonetheless. However what J947 failed to tell you is asides all else, everything I have said as pertains moving an unsourced &/ under-sourced directly to mainspace is quite correct.Celestina007 (talk) 11:05, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

Well, it was obvious that BLP does not fit the equation but your points were taken. It 's been nice talking to you Celestina007. Au revoir. Cinadon36 11:07, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

A small thing Celestina, but it is best practise to not edit your posts after someone has responded to them, especially if it was what the further comment is pertinent to. J947 ^(c), at 19:41, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

J947 Generally I would make corrections to grammatical & typographical errors no matter how long ago I made them(the errors). In this case I know what you mean, I responded to that message yesterday night (african time & all) and was quite fatigued, I meant to write “Biography of living persons” & not only “Biographical” that was a honest mistake. Generally as long as I am acting in good faith, which I’m sure you assumed or are assuming currently & it was done with no intent to mislead/deceive. Furthermore as I have said earlier I would make corrections to general typographical errors. If you have general observations & inquiries I’m here to answer all of them. Cheers. J947 sorry for the double ping, but you noticed how I just included that “(the errors)” part in the 6th line of this statement? Having re-read the whole conversation I realized for the sake of clarity that had to be included. An act done out of utter good faith. Cheers Celestina007 (talk) 19:54, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

I appreciate that it was in good faith but I think a read of WP:REDACT would be useful here for further situations like this. Just use <s> and <u> for removals and additions respectively when someone has already replied to you.

On pings, double pings aren't really necessary and don't work unless you add a new comment with a signature below due to the way MediaWiki works. Also, please adhere your comments to WP:LISTGAP. J947 ^(c), at 20:29, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

J947 your valid points are all well noted.Celestina007 (talk) 20:45, 10 January 2020 (UTC) Celestina007 (talk) 22:48, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

Some Help?

Hello thank you for your time for reviewing my article . I believe that my article is realiable and had a good independent sources But I made some spelling mistakes and This slightly changed the direction of the article and made it unacceptable, and I agree with that . But now I corrected some mistakes and added some reliable independent sources and I organized the article . So please give it another look and tell me if there is anything else to edit Thank you for your time again. In addition, they have almost 43 million views on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHUjkwR5MZo-VjcGMrMOJzQ Article Aldi Brothers https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldi_Brothers Hidar.ayube (talk) 19:54, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Hidar.ayube, first off, I currently do not possess the NPR/NPP rights so I cannot “review” your page (or any page) at least with the conventional way in which that term is used in this community. I merely assist the NPP/NPR with their duties. As per your article if or not you made grammatical errors is not important. As per WP:GNG we do not observe grammatical error(s) being a criterion for exclusion or a real reason for nominating an article for deletion, what is however, is if or not the people you create the articles for are truly notable or not of which from my observation and how the AFD is looking right now they simply are not as they have not been discussed in reliable sources. Make all the grammatical errors on earth we have a team of copy-editors that assist you in correcting every grammar issue or issues as long they can find evidence that the article’s subject or subjects is/are notable enough. I’d have to ask though, in what capacity are you related to your articles subjects? Have they specifically asked you to create pages for them? Have they given you or promised you any reward financial or otherwise if you successfully get them a Wikipedia page? Anyways feel free not to answer the questions above. At least that’s your prerogative. Oh!! lest I forget you made mention of them having over 43m+ views on YouTube, that also is not a criterion to prove or substantiate notability or notability claims. If you have any further questions feel free to ask. I had my first two articles here nominated for deletion and although they both survived the AFD I can tell the 7 day wait to determine if or not your article might be deleted is never a comfortable position. So I’m happy to guide you on how to create future articles. You might want to see the policy WP:GNG before creating any new article(s) or read the essay 42 it’s a sum total or summary that explains what is/what is not notable. Celestina007 (talk) 20:12, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply The answer on your question is no, my article is about two young men comedian that I'm fan of them and I really respect their work in addition to that they are notable in the press but it is Arabic press I do not know how you can check for that . Hidar.ayube (talk) 20:19, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

They are publishing their work on social media and they have a huge public base . Hidar.ayube (talk) 20:21, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Some of my sources on wikipedia that it is reliable and independent https://ar.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%85%D8%AF%D9%88%D9%86%D8%A9_%D9%88%D8%B7%D9%86 https://ar.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%87%D9%8A%D8%A6%D8%A9_%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B9%D8%A7%D9%85%D8%A9_%D9%84%D9%84%D8%A5%D8%B0%D8%A7%D8%B9%D8%A9_%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AA%D9%84%D9%81%D8%B2%D9%8A%D9%88%D9%86_(%D8%B3%D9%88%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%A7)

Hidar.ayube (talk) 20:38, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Am so for talking so much and bother you but if it is not your dicision to accept or delete .. who I have to talk with ? Where I have to go please guide me and thank you for your time Hidar.ayube (talk) 20:39, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Hidar.ayube you cant tell no one, as in you can’t tell anyone to “please don’t delete my article” the article in question is currently in AFD and like I said earlier the AFD has to run its full course. And you saying something that implies they have been discussed extensively on social media means you clearly didn’t read the WP:GNG policy I advised you to go through, making it look like all my advice given to you earler was a waste of time. I am one of few editors who take time to explain to new comers or people who clearly don’t understand Wikipedia policies. Other editors may not be as patient as I am with you and may not even reply any message you put on their talk page. Celestina007 (talk) 22:18, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Am sorry for bother you I tried my best to understand the rules very well but my English is bad thank you for your time . Hidar.ayube (talk) 22:23, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Hidar.ayube oh english isn’t your primary means of communication? That explains a lot. I’m sorry things have turned out this way. if you’re going to create any further articles in the future, please it’s no bother at all, I stand to be corrected but english is about the 8th most difficult language to master/understand whilst Hindi/Sanskrit/Russian and Mandarin & Cantonese remain the hardest. In any case always message me to do a grammar check/clean up for you. Are you Syrian? If yes, then I’d say in general your command of the English language is satisfactory. Celestina007 (talk) 22:43, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

thanks for the compliment, yes my first language is Arabic and I'm Syrian young man dentist What about you ? And please do not ask me why I do not publish articles in Arabic Wikipedia it is a lot of problems hahaha . Hidar.ayube (talk) 22:51, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Hidar.ayube I’m Nigerian and thankfully English is our primary means of communication. I’m also an author, editor, and was an english language teacher i also work extensively with the Nigerian government. having said that, I speak several languages unfortunately Arabic isn’t one of them. Celestina007 (talk) 23:04, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

I wish you good luck and nice to meet you Celestina . Hidar.ayube (talk) 23:10, 1 January 2020 (UTC) Celestina007 (talk) 22:50, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

Happy New Year Message From CAPTAIN RAJU

	Happy New Year!
	Hello Celestina007: Did you know ... that back in 1885, Wikipedia editors wrote Good Articles with axes, hammers and chisels? Thank you for your contributions to this encyclopedia using 21st century technology. I hope you don't get any unnecessary blisters. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 07:05, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

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Celestina007 (talk) 22:54, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

E-mail & apology

Hi Celestina -- I note you sent me an e-mail apology but sadly I cannot access it at present (long story). In any case I prefer to keep conversations on wiki and where that's at all possible. I should not have attempted to quietly notify Barkeep that I did not feel you were ready for the NPP right at present. It probably had more to do with frustrations at unrelated on-wiki situations than your competence. Apologies.

Do please bear in mind that talk page messages from admins about patrolling or similar administrative functions are intended not just for the recipient, but also for other administrators, so that they can quickly assess the person's competence. In general, it's good practice to archive everything that appears on your talk page that isn't frank vandalism, and to place a link to the archives clearly at the top of your talk page. Regards, Espresso Addict (talk) 03:55, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

Espresso Addict Basically the e-mail is me regretting getting unduly unnecessarily vexed with your comments. It’s all good though 😊 we all get frustrated every now & again. The archive thing I think I’d just that. Cheers. Celestina007 (talk) 10:51, 10 January 2020 (UTC) Celestina007 (talk) 23:10, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

Message From NotButtigieg

Celestina, would you be willing to take a second look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Robert Stearns? I have added quite a lot of information and made revisions to the page, which was very new and poorly sourced/written when you assessed it. thank you.NotButtigieg (talk) 19:58, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

NotButtigieg I’m not sure I understand what this message is about seeing as the aforementioned article was “kept” & survived the AFD process so what exactly are you trying to say? or is this a mistake or a message meant for another editor? Celestina007 (talk) 22:06, 8 January 2020 (UTC) Celestina007 (talk) 23:11, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

Blessing Abeng

Hello Celestina, I have been told that and weirdly, I do not know this person. Do help in editing the article to look less promotional. She is a person of impact and is influencing the entrepreneurship space in Nigeria, along with Uwem Uwemakpan. Kindly assist.

Hello Weekhai, always sign at the bottom after making a statement so other editors can easily identify you.

As pertains the Blessing Abeng article; it is pertinent you understand the futility of further editing that page, in no less than five days it would be deleted from the encylopedia if /not i trim it to fit the encylopedia standard. why so? you may ask, Articles which are left unbothered on the main space are articles in which its subject or object are truly notable.

The subject of your article fails notability requirements woefully (see WP:GNG ) and thus; i or any other editor can not help save the article.

Furthermore Weekhai, i do not think anyone is buying your story or claim of not knowing the subject of your article personally, seeing as your article states the subjects biological parents by name. (how would you know that though? thats a real personal information right there).

To be blunt, i am of the opinion you are one and the same person as the subject of your article. This and the aforementioned points are reasons i am also in support of its deletion from Wikipedia. As for the Uwem Uwemakpan article i am also in support of its prompt deletion as it is purely promotional in nature.

Despite all said and done, it is imperative you understand that even if they are deleted now, when/If the subjects of those articles gain more coverage in reliable media/press you may ask for them to be undeleted and moved to your draft so you could work on the articles before moving them back to mainspace.

Do not be discouraged, seek help from me or any other editor when you are in need of it.Celestina007 (talk) 13:42, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Hello Celestina007, Her parents information are available via facebook. That was easy and I came across her book where she mentioned them as well. It is okay to contest the article but please be careful when you make accussations. Thank you. We all know Fela's parent's name and can easily write an article about them, it doesn't make us Fela.Weekhai (talk) 16:13, 28 June 2018 (UTC) [[User:Weekhai|Weekhai] Celestina007 (talk) 23:13, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Celestina007!

Happy New Year!

Celestina007,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
-Nahal^(T) 23:12, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

   Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year fireworks}} to user talk pages.

NahalAhmed happy new year to you too Ahmed. 🎉🎉🎉 Celestina007 (talk) 23:16, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

Please don't make accusations

Although it's accepted to point out that an IP or registered editor has made no/few edits when they comment on an AFD, just leave it at that. Everyone can draw their own conclusions. Going beyond that to call them a sock-puppet is unnecessary. If you have evidence of sock-puppetry, go to WP:SPI. Thank you. Schazjmd (talk) 18:29, 13 January 2020 (UTC) Celestina007 (talk) 19:15, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

There is a discussion which you are involved in

Please be aware that there is a discussion at Wikipedia:Teahouse im which your name is mentioned. Fiddle Faddle 11:55, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

If I might offer a suggestion to you, may I suggest that folk like us, general, ordinary editors, are probably not best placed to do more than request help from an editor more experienced in this contentious field. I think the conversation between you and the other editor might have gone better had you pulled back early.

It doesn't really matter whether you are right or wrong. Let others judge that. What matters is that nor you nor I can be judge, jury and executioner.

If you are correct then it has harmed your reputation even so.

If you are incorrect then it has harmed both you and, more important, the other editor.

I am only looking at the conversation. I am not looking at all at any underlying triggers for it. With the trigger itself I have AGFed and accepted their declaration. That does not mean that my mind cannot be changed in the future. It means simply that I have accepted their declaration. Fiddle Faddle 14:06, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

@Timtrent, funny, because all I did was draftify their article & ask how they choose topics to write about.

My reputation is and always be tough on UPE editing, could i be less tough about my approach? Yes, but would I watch what appears to be covert UPE continue? then that’s a No. I saw your comments at the Teahouse & I thank you for that. I don’t even understand why they didn’t just reply the question there rather than go to the Teahouse to portray me as a vindictive villain, it really baffles me. Celestina007 (talk) 17:44, 21 March 2021 (UTC)Celestina007 (talk) 17:28, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Celestina007, indeed. We learn as we go about our business, don't we. Fiddle Faddle 17:33, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

@Timtrent, yup! We do. Later in the day or probably tomorrow, I’d mail you some off wiki evidence. Celestina007 (talk) 17:44, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Please do not send it to me. There are processes for submission of off wiki evidence, almost certainly via WP:OTRS. There are people qualified to handle offline magterial. I am not one. Fiddle Faddle 20:09, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

@Timtrent, forgive my manners, from the inception I was supposed to ask you if you wanted to see them or not, of course I’m very much familiar with the process. Stay safe. Celestina007 (talk) 20:29, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Draftifying articles

Hello, Celestina007,

Can I ask you to leave a fuller explanation to an editor than you did here? I don't know whether you use the Draftify script but it leaves an informational statement on the page creator's talk page if you use that tool. I've found it very helpful and much better than simply moving a page. Thank you! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:33, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

I use the drafitify script indeed. Funny thing is I was actually trying to leave a more personal message rather than a vague bot notification that hints at many things and nothing specifically at the same time. Celestina007 (talk) 14:15, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Happy New Year

	Happy new year 2021 !
	Wish you a great New Year! Thanks and best regards RV (talk) 06:12, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Ikeji festival

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Ikeji festival you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Goldsztajn -- Goldsztajn (talk) 06:42, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Ikeji festival

The article Ikeji festival you nominated as a good article has failed ; see Talk:Ikeji festival for reasons why the nomination failed. If or when these points have been taken care of, you may apply for a new nomination of the article. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Goldsztajn -- Goldsztajn (talk) 23:45, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks

Hi - I prefer to communicate via Wikipedia, but I note the contents of your message; just let me say: echegbula. I don't think the Otokoto riots of 1996 is ready for a Good Article Nomination at this point, but I'd be happy to work with you to get it up to scale for a co-nomination if you wanted. Let me know what you think. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 05:22, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

@Goldsztajn, that’s very fine by me, please do work with ne on this, I’m trying to leave a legacy of not only being good at detecting UPE but also show I’m capable of getting an article to GA status. I appreciate the feedback. Celestina007 (talk) 07:13, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Backlog drive

Hello Celestina007:

WikiProject Articles for creation is holding a month long Backlog Drive!
The goal of this drive is to eliminate the backlog of unreviewed articles. The drive is running until 31 July 2021.

Barnstars will be given out as awards at the end of the drive.

There is a backlog of over 1100 articles, so start reviewing articles. We're looking forward to your help! Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 08:27, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 08:27, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Mass mailing error

Regarding the mass mailing of User:Celestina007/Update/WP NIG

On the talk page User talk:HandsomeBoy, at the end of the line (24/1/2020), there was a <center> html tag where there should have been a closing </center> tag. There were some other tags which could have been nested in order, but I believe this was the one tag causing the problem. I changed it and the following sections appear as expected.

It will have to be changed on the other 57 pages on the mailing list. This can be done manually (could take an hour), or you can request at Wikipedia talk:Mass message senders (in the General Discussions section) for someone to get a bot to make the changes. (I'm afraid I don't have time to do it myself.)

It's pretty important to make sure all the opening and closing html tags are properly paired before sending a mass mailing... but these mistakes do happen. I think the preview page was recently equipped with an algorithm that checked for this and provided a warning if there were problems, but it may have missed this one. – Reidgreg (talk) 03:09, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

@Reidgreg, thank you so much I have gone ahead to remove in its entirety all <center> from where the message content originated from, I can manually handle the rest. I knew you’d have the answer I was looking for. Celestina007 (talk) 03:17, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

ANI

I have closed the ANI thread about you as "no action". However, a number of longstanding editors have expressed concern about your tone and conduct, with reference to previous visits to ANI, and I would suggest you take this advice carefully, as if a further thread on your conduct is raised, we may need to consider formal sanctions. In addition to the advice I left on the closing note, I would further recommend this essay - Wikipedia:Do not insult the vandals - and also take a sabbatical to read some of our featured or good articles to see that there's a lot of good stuff on Wikipedia away from the maintenance side of things. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:23, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

@Ritchie333, believe you me when I say I see each ANI pertaining to my tone or tough approach to UPE as a learning curve, I know just what to do, less talking and and more action, rather than confronting suspicious editors I just take them to relevant venues such as WP:COIN or straight to WP:AN/I as I did here and provide diffs. My promise to uphold the integrity of the encyclopedia is forever binding I’d still be as effective and efficient as ever when addressing UPE but I have learnt how to do that in a better way and more effective manner. Thrice I’ve been asked to RFA and thrice I’ve refused, because I know it would impede my work against UPE. Detecting UPE comes naturally to me, for example, I reported an editor two years ago to the relevant authority and it would be later confirmed after two years that I was indeed apt all along I know an ADMASQ when I see one (it’s my greatest strength) no matter how well written the editor thinks they have written the article. But yes I hear you R3, I hear you loud and clear. Now on focusing on other aspects of Wikipedia, I’m a content creator, checkout my latest article 1996 Otokoto riots it’s a good read and I also have been trying to get it to GA status, DYK and FA because I believe the encyclopedic value is very much overt, I enjoy WP:TEAHOUSE hosting, reading WP:RS daily(odd but yes), I enjoy analyzing Nigerian sources for those unfamiliar with the Nigerian media and of course new page reviewing. Furthermore Bradv once told me in order to counter UPE I could just take any dubious looking articles to AFD, That’s a great idea, but I fear a repeat of this he literally had 7 socks, because we were “AGFing” 7 socks??? Oh my days that’s more than enough to influence the outcome of any AFD, if we are being honest, even if AFD isn’t a !vote but when 7 people !vote a keep, no matter how nonsensical their rationales are and how apt the other !votes are, it’s definitely ending up being kept, but yes I hear you. Thanks R3 I appreciate the advice. Today is 26-7- 2021. Watch how I’m going to operate cracking down on UPE in the friendliest manner. Celestina007 (talk) 21:25, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Email received

Hello. I prefer Wikipedia communication to be conducted on Wikipedia, but I do understand why you sent me email. I am writing here to let you know it was received.

I'll just say that if ECP editors start disrupting the Feminist Coalition article, we will deal with it then, likely not with indefinite length full protection, but with blocks and shorter duration protections. Bear in mind that even when an article is fully protected, nothing prevents anyone from making well-reasoned policy-based proposals for changes on the article's talk page. This is how it should work. And I cannot help but observe that you yourself have not attempted to engage on the article talk page with anyone. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:07, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Amplitude (company) AfD

It appears there are five sources that that author has presented which you have not yet addressed. To me the sources appear substantially better than the seven from the source assessment table you created, but I'd like to hear what you think. ––FormalDude talk 01:03, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

@FormalDude, it appears that WP:HEY came in handy there, I’m sorry I’ve been offline, I couldn’t be present to analyze the 5 new sources they presented, but in the end consensus took preeminence and I think that is what makes this project successful, because it is indeed a collaborative one, we all rub minds together. Celestina007 (talk) 22:24, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

UPE

At the risk of Phaseolus vulgaris, would you consider turning this into an essay for the benefit of those who look out for this kind of thing, or at least add it to this one? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:26, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Kudpung, I think I’d add it to this one, for now, pending when Netherzone whips up an appropriate name for it then I’d probably make it into an essay, I’m a tad bit scatter-brained at the moment to think of any appropriate name right now. I had concerns about BEANS, but again that was/is my point and the idea of that write up, even if they read this up, they’d still be in a dilemma, I can’t at the moment think of the rights words to explain this, but I’m sure you get what am I saying(trying to say), I do understand your concerns and I would add it to WP:CONNECTTHEDOTS. Celestina007 (talk) 15:28, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi and thanks for the ping. I'm guessing Kudpung means Advise to Anti-UPE Editors. It would work in WP:CONNECTTHEDOTS, but if you wanted a stand alone essay, some acronyms that come to mind are:

• WP:GRACE - this seems to be an essential quality to combatting UPE without escalating it. However the acronym is currently taken but it points to an outdated essay, maybe that redirect could be changed?
• WP:DUPE - stands for Death of UPE; it's kind of morbid and some might take offense?)
• WP:SUPER - stands for Stop UPE Right, however it currently redirects to puffery, perhaps that could change?
• WP:AAUPE - not catchy sounding but it stands for Advice for Anti-UPE
• WP:UPEBUSTER - a little militant, but gets right to the point
• WP:ROCKSOLID - this phrase in Celestina's writing jumped out to me, as we do need to be rock-solid in our assessment of UPE as well as rock-solid researchers.

If I can think of anything else I will note it here. Thanks for the work you do to maintain the integrity of WP, the essays have been really helpful. Netherzone (talk) 16:42, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

@Netherzone, thank you for the response, I wrote this on my userpage & Kudpung expressed valid concerns and asked perhaps if I could create it as a separate essay or include it to WP:CONNECTTHEDOTS, I instantaneously chose to include it to CONNNECTTHEDOTS pending when you’d come up with a name for it and I’d create a separate essay for it. WP:DUPE looks good to me, to make it less morbid, I’d change it from “death” to “dearth”. Celestina007 (talk) 19:20, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

What would be really good would be a set of additional guidelines for reviewers that were only accessible to users with the NPR right. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 19:25, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

@Kudpung that sounds great, I’m sorry is that doable? That is, is it possible that only users with the NPR perm being the only ones who can see it? If it is, I’m not sure I know how to do that. Celestina007 (talk) 19:32, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Draftification script

Hello, Celestina007,

I hope you are well. I noticed that when you moved Wole Ademola Adewole to Draft space, you didn't notify the page creator. If you aren't aware of it, User:Evad37/MoveToDraft.js is a very handy script to use whenever you draftify pages. I'm not sure how it appears if you are editing on a mobile device but on a laptop or desktop, "Draftify" appears as an option in the top "More" tab at the top of the article page, alongside where the Twinkle options appear. The script goes through all of the steps of moving a page to Draft space so I encourage you to use it because it handles everything so you don't have to! Be well! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:38, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

@Liz, thanks for asking about my health Liz, I’m doing fine, I am aware of the script and I use it mostly for almost all my draftifying this was an anomaly. Thanks once more for asking about my health. It is appreciated. Celestina007 (talk) 19:34, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

DNS (retail company)

Please see the comment left on my talk page. Akakievich (talk) 23:36, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

See WP:CORP. Celestina007 (talk) 14:54, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

That still doesn't answer my question. I cited three business news articles written entirely about DNS - these articles establish significance (e.g. by noting that the company had become one of the largest in Russia, by noting the company's expansion into Kazakhstan, or by noting the company's intention to expand into manufacturing), are independent (written by journalists for established business news outlets), are reliable (deal in facts and do not appear to have been influenced by DNS), are secondary (this is self-explanatory), and therefore - if I understand correctly - should be permissible as demonstrating the significance of DNS. What else is required from the article? Akakievich (talk) 21:18, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

I’m sorry let me expatiate, some of the sources appear questionable and qs sources are generally not advisable to use. Furthermore the whole article is promoting the organization in a manner consistent with an WP:ADMASQ, it reads like a big resumé, you shouldn’t use Wikipedia as a platform for promotional purposes. Celestina007 (talk) 21:32, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

How are Kommersant and Vedomosti questionable? These are the best available sources for Russian business news. The content of the article is not up to me - I have translated it! All information stated is relevant to the question at hand - yes, there is more information missing (which I will add once I find the motivation to translate more content for free while also arguing against a completely needless RFD) - but I'd ask you to please take a second look at this and realise that this is not a case of self promotion. I have no connection to DNS, apart from having shopped there once. The article was suggested to me by Wikipedia's translation tool, and I decided to translate it because the company is big enough that Wikipedia could really do with some information about it. Akakievich (talk) 21:44, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Noinclude for deletion tags

Hi, Celestina. You recently put a speedy deletion tag into an AfD page you had created. Unfortunately that resulted in every page on which the AfD discussion was transcluded to be added to the list of pages awaiting speedy deletion. There are several pages that were affected, such as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/Today, to mention just one. If you nominate a deletion discussion for deletion you should put the deletion tag in "noinclude" tags, so that the deletion tag doesn't get included in any transclusion, like this: {{noinclude}} {{db-G3}} {{/noinclude}}. The same applies if you make a deletion nomination for any other kind of page which you think may possibly be transcluded anywhere. JBW (talk) 17:02, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

@JBW, thanks old friend. I hardly ever use CSD tags on AFD's (this is my second time) but today I had to because some editor was wrongly draftifying as I was nominating the article for deletion, so I used the CSD. I’d be taking a screen shot of this, ahh you’ve been most gracious. Celestina007 (talk) 17:10, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Hester Dorsey Richardson

Hello. The article Hester Dorsey Richardson was exactly 30 minutes old when you added the orphan tag. Please reconsider adding tags so quickly. Thank you, and happy new year. --Rosiestep (talk) 22:03, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

This is indeed quite serious thus the reason I have chosen to convert into an essay

I drafted an article about three months ago and I published it on my UP and had the intention of turning it into an essay this draft would later be referred to as the “cheat book” for nabbing possible UPE, immediately Kudpung told me it was best to “hide it” lest I inadvertently teach editors engaging in less than ethical practices how to evade scrutiny, on the other hand Netherzone who always did the honors of naming my essays told me it was a good write up and that it should be converted into an essay, but after deeply thinking about it I saw reason with Kudpung and I "hid it" There are so many reasons why I chose to publish it today, the first being nobody really knows when they would abruptly stop editing, for reference sake one of our sharpest minds has quit Wikipedia, Secondly because of the conversation I had with DGG who expressly told me that they have grown weary of tackling spam, and that the younger generation should “pick up the ball” i saw reason with them as I too feel the same way, hence more reason I chose to publish this essay, thirdly and most importantly, yesterday myself, Timtrent & Curb Safe Charmer were having a discussion when I immediately noted an editor by the name of Kaizenify (I am familiar with them) I did a dive into their article creation and what I saw shook me, I observed a plethora of articles on non notable business men and women and when I asked about it they refused to answer I had asked them about this in the past but they did not respond, what they did was call me uncivil which is not true as throughout my messages to them I never expressly called them a UPE editor but always used the term “possible undeclared paid editing” although I should mention that saying things like "I am going to remove any and every non notable promotional article you created from mainspace" wasn’t too polite of me. Please let it be known that Kaizenify was Checkuser blocked in 2017 as a sock of Oluwa2Chainz how or why they got unblocked is still something I can’t fathom, whenever I query a Nigerian editor they are quick to remind me of my confrontational past, to the point I started second guessing myself, some months back this prompted me to go to AN and ask if or not I was being uncivil and I was reassured that I wasn’t & it was a common tactic used by editors to scare me away. Now back to the editor Kaizenify if you check their creations and juxtapose it with that of Oluwa2Chainz you’d note that they both have the same edit pattern which is (create very good articles and mix it with possible dubious articles), examples include; all of the 5 articles of theirs I have put up for deletion. Coincidentally on one of the multiple Twitter pages of Oluwa2Chainz, (Redacted), (In order not to run afoul of outing) I can confirm that both Kaizenify and Oluwa2Chainz aren’t the same people but I believe they closely work together, (MEAT) or they both share one account, this is plausible, as aforementioned their pattern of article creation substantiates that. Sometime ago Bri made this very damning comment which I found very important. Furthermore, and to substantiate why I believe Kaizenify might be a possible UPE editor is seen here; they ask Liz for a refund of an article that only paid socks tried to create. I am afraid for my life, I was physically beaten last year because I put my place of work at my UP which Primefac helped me to redact from history. I have received death threats on my email in the past, which I quickly delete so I wouldn’t be subconsciously afraid, although I walk with security now there is this inner dread I feel, Kaizenify has continued to create possible paid jobs and currently have three UPE templates on their TP, im not sure what to do to refrain them from creating non notable articles on entrepreneurs but they have continued with impunity, i am afraid if I make an official report against them, my life would be in more danger(this isn’t implying nor indicative about anything concerning them) but more of me just feeling that way since I have been "spoiling business" for possible UPE editors in general for years now) I have been accused of living in luxury and not being a Nigerian thus not understanding what poverty feels like, this is false as I am a Nigerian woman with a Nigerian passport to substantiate my claim, however I do not and would never deny my Swedish and Indian heritage. I am confused, do I turn to DGG, Primefac, Barkeep49, Kudpung, & MER-C who I all consider father figures to complain? Do I turn to Praxidicae who I consider a mother figure? Do I turn to Valereee who i consider my sister? Do I call on Izno who I consider an elder brother? I’m in a state of Quagmire. Please I call on ARBCOM to look into Kaizenify and put an end to their possible less than ethical practices. In the end please if I am suddenly no longer editing, I want any new editor interested in engaging in anti spam/UPE to read Death of undisclosed paid editing & in the event that I am no more editing, I want the future generation to read not just that essay, but also the entirety of my User-Page for guidance & hopefully they avoid all the pitfalls I couldn’t avoid and also to make nabbing possible UPE easy for them, I learnt the hard way & I do not want those coming after me, to go through the same pain. A Happy weekend to you all. Celestina007 (talk) 18:44, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Hey there Celestina007. It looks like my request for a refund came up in your essay where you pinged me, not sure exactly what your concern is with my editing, but you sound very concerned about harassment. I hope that this passes over soon. Please be assured that I am a legit editor and am active in several different in-person wiki events and am 100% committed to anti-harassment both here and off-wiki. I have even been an active-spammer in the past (just ask DGG), so I share your frustration with it. ☆ Bri (talk) 18:54, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

• • Bri, no, no, your editing is perfect I was pointing out to an edit you made which seemed to indict Kaizenify as an editor engaging in possible less than ethical practices, your edits are perfect! Celestina007 (talk) 19:00, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
    • Okay, good to hear. I may have misinterpreted "they" to reflect a refund that I requested Liz provide. ☆ Bri (talk) 19:03, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Hey Celestina007, I'm going to take some time to read through the above and really try to understand what's going on, but before I do that I want to suggest you take a moment, a deep breath, and perhaps a walk away from Wikipedia for a little bit. We all need a break from time to time, and I'd hate to see you getting upset or anxious over the project — you're much more important than anything written here 🙂 ~TNT (talk • she/her) 18:59, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

You have made a very grievous allegations of death threat without evidence. This is a serious criminal allegation that you must substantiate with serious evidence. I am going to officially open a T&S case later today. Please be prepared to prove your allegations. Kaizenify (talk) 19:15, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

@Kaizenify: I don't believe that allegation was made against you — please be aware that legal threats will be met with blocks ~TNT (talk • she/her) 19:18, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

• • • Kaizenify should be blocked for threatening legal action as TheresNoTime correctly put it, it was general, having said , you do need to be indefinitely blocked for this legal threat and for continuing to create promotional pieces on non notable entrepreneurs despite multiple warnings. Celestina007 (talk) 19:30, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

TheresNoTime didn't imply that my comment constituted a legal threat as they are fully aware that reporting a case like this to the WMF T&S for investigation is a perfectly acceptable standard on all Wikimedia project. Kaizenify (talk) 19:43, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Celestina, your safety is of the utmost importance. I know how much this community means to you and the fulfillment you get from your work here. But that is secondary to your sense of physical (and mental and spiritual) safety. Barkeep49 (talk) 19:44, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

• • • Barkeep49 thank you captain and thank you TheresNoTime for being so sweet as to redact the part where I almost inadvertently doxx myself, thankfully the Twitter community has a policy on misusing more than one account, they have been banned there as well, but every relevant information about Oluwa2Chainz, I had already emailed ARBCOM about that I think 6 months ago or thereabout, but nonetheless I appreciate your show of love. Celestina007 (talk) 19:55, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Celestina, It is upsetting to read what you have gone/are going through, and I'm concerned about your safety. May I send you an email? Netherzone (talk) 20:14, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Netherzone, NZ I appreciate your love and support, please disregard the notice/note encountered when attempting to send me a mail as you are always more than welcome to e-mail me. Celestina007 (talk) 22:05, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

• I want to use this medium to thank both those who have expressed their concern here and those who have mailed me, you individuals have indeed encouraged and rejuvenated me. I would continue to combat unethical editors without fear. Thank you all once more. Celestina007 (talk) 22:34, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

  You've got mail! Netherzone (talk) 23:02, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

  Netherzone, that brought tears to my eyes, I really appreciate the love. Celestina007 (talk) 23:30, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

• You asked Please let it be known that Kaizenify was Checkuser blocked in 2017 as a sock of Oluwa2Chainz how or why they got unblocked is still something I can’t fathom. The answer is in this diff which is a good faith unblcok by Berean Hunter. The ping is for courtesy since the block and unblock were mentioned in the large element of text above. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 15:24, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

  The full conversation is an illuminating background to the block removal. I do not say this to cast doubt on the unblock. I say, simply, that the discussion illuminates the background to the block removal. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 15:28, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

  • Timtrent, thank you for this piece of information and thank you for the email. It’s truly amazing how words and the show of love and appreciation you all have sent to me have dispelled any fears I had. Truly everything is in the mind. I love you all and appreciate the kind emails I have received. Celestina007 (talk) 17:15, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

    Never allow intimidation or accusation to get in the way of doing a good job for Wikipedia. Know that you can be wrong sometimes, as can we all. When you are right remember to try to pursue the moral high ground with quiet and unassuming passion. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 17:29, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

• I want to expressly thank Barkeep49, whenever i speak of my existence, I primarily credit three editors, Primefac, Barkeep49, and Praxidicae, An encounter with Praxi “changed my wiki life for the best” & Barkeep49 discovered a diamond in the rough and fine-tuned me, & Primefac despite all odds chose to be kind, had faith in me and gave me an opportunity to serve, and today I believe i make them proud to see who I have morphed into, this same opportunity to serve was also given to me by Rosguill who I’m forever indebted to, my soul appreciates the kindness of Rosguill, words can’t describe how I feel about them. Once again thank you all for the positive energy you all and largely the entirety of the community sent my way via email I appreciate you all. Netherzone, I know I have thanked you before but please allow me thank you once more, I have indeed never heard kinder words. Celestina007 (talk) 17:26, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Dominique Leclercq

Why did you say Dominique Leclercq is an orphan? It isn't. Check the linked section. Paul Vaurie (talk) 04:47, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Because at the point the tag was affixed it was one, if you have de-orphaned it you are more than welcome to remove the tag. Celestina007 (talk) 20:11, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

ANI

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. 207.38.145.230 (talk) 02:01, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

I think a troll may want to be fed. McClenon mobile (talk) 03:31, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

In this case I suspect who the troll is. Celestina007 (talk) 11:53, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

I'm highly suspicious of an IP who's only made 7 edits to Wikipedia (since Nov 2015), making out such a report. Personally, I suspect it's an evading editor. Anyways, your best bet (rightly or wrongly) would likely be to 'give up' all the aforementioned tools, seeing the direction the ANI report has taken. GoodDay (talk) 16:25, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

^^^ This. I don't often agree with GoodDay, but I do in this instance. Although it may be too late, as of typing this. Good luck. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 18:02, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

That’s the problem, I have never used said tool. My only mistake was miscommunication. Celestina007 (talk) 18:11, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

• I have to admit I have only just barely looked at the ANI thread where you pinged me. I gather this is about what we talked about a month or so ago. I'm sure you know from our conversation then that I had some misgivings at the time, but... jesus, ANI just seems like a bearpit, except if the bears were all suffering from severe cases of self-righteousness. I'm sorry you went through that. I don't mean that you were "right", but you certainly weren't wrong enough to deserve that. I don't know enough to know what exactly is going on, but I am quite certain you have had WP's best interests at heart. Chin up, there's something honorable about surviving a mob attack. I hope I handle it as well when they come for me.

You may have noticed that some troll came along and removed the icons of some of your permissions from your user page; I'd suggest removing them yourself when you have a chance, but I couldn't let the weasel troll "win", so I restored them temporarily. --Floquenbeam (talk) 03:53, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

The whole thing definitely comes off like a a mob attack. I doubt it will ultimately matter, but hopefully my oppose comment will at least change a few minds. --Adamant1 (talk) 08:47, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Here goes my attempt to offer support, not because I believe you were "right" but because you are getting enough "this is how you were wrong" from others. Celestina, you are an incredible person and, when you want, you are extremely empathetic to those around you. You have volunteered at the Teahouse, for all the good reasons, and I believe you focus on UPE and SPI cases because you see the need to keep Wikipedia safe. You have employed less than ideal ways to be impactful on those you feel are here to harm the community, but more specifically the encyclopedia. I believe this was in good faith even if your initial responses gave off the appearance of deception. Based on what I've seen you realize this and have attempted to clear issues up and that should be recognized. I can't fault those at AN/I for being angry and upset, nor can I fault them wanting to sanction you but I think that would be a grave mistake because I think you work in an area of Wikipedia that is one of the darkest and most secretive parts. There are most likely countless paid and unpaid editors that refuse to disclose this information and they get their viewpoints included on a daily basis by skirting the vaguely written guidelines and policies for content inclusion. This is the price of the libre mission of Wikipedia. In fighting the very admirable and just cause (UPE/vandalism) for which you fight it will sometimes come into conflict with the just and admirable mission of this encyclopedic community and, actually, can be antithetical to the collaborative good faith assuming requirement for all editors. I'm not sure how to rectify this and maintain this fight against paid and unpaid editing. This I do know, It's not worth losing an incredible editor and member of this community that I consider a friend. I am so sorry you are facing this right now. Whether it is justified or not is irrelevant to my empathizing with you. I support you, Celestina, even if I can not support all of your actions or comments, 100%. I believe you can be so impactful for the positive in other editors journey here and I hope you are afforded the opportunity to continue because, unlike some beliefs about the encyclopedia, I do believe that our impact is something valuable and our editing is important. It is missed when it ceases to exist. No one can see the encyclopedia exactly how Celestina sees it. I celebrate that with you regardless of what happens in the AN/I case or has happened in your past edits. You are a beautiful Song.

On a side note, I am curious about the audible sounds you hear when reading the sentence structure someone writes. It has to be based on not just words but the structure itself, correct? I taste or feel textures with certain words. I also associate words and numbers with colors and in different sequences. Musical notes have different colors and frequencies which cause them to appear further away from me and physically higher or closer to me and physically lower. It's not really anything to boast about. I've seen some people do it but it's just a fact with me, however unique as some seem to think it is, so, yea, I was just curious about it since you mentioned it but I totally understand if you don't wish to discuss it in light of everything going on. One thing I do notice is that I can empathize with people more and I like that, especially with my personal philosophies on life that have nothing to do with Wikipedia but do generally govern my actions and reactions here. --ARoseWolf 15:23, 9 May 2022 (UTC) --edited 15:24, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

• I'm just here to show my support for you, I think the ANI is wildly out of hand and you have all of my support but due to my restrictions, I'm more or less unable to comment (and I was unable to do so yesterday as I was celebrating my first mother's day.) I hope more level heads prevail and you stick around, you certainly don't deserve the flak much less any restrictions. PRAXIDICAE💕 15:29, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

• I am opposing what I can. I feel you will survive this, though will need to pull your horns in. ANI is never a great place to be taken. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 15:49, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

• I don't know what to say, as each and every word seems to be displeased. As Timtrent said, "I am opposing what I can.." The great DGG has offered you mentorship at the ANI, and I pray people over there take it seriously. When someone of Praxidicae's caliber stands with you, your worth gets much higher and higher. Love and prayers! ─ The Aafī ^(talk) 14:53, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

• I strongly recommend you accept DGG's offer of mentorship. While your work is valuable, there are real problems here that cause respected members of the community to call for the topic ban/indefinite block, and you need to address them. Part of that involves improving your English; choosing your words more carefully; improving technical communication (which is a skill set in itself that is valuable outside of Wikipedia); better understanding of what I do, what other anti-spam tools do, and the limitations of both. All of this is required to reduce the chance that your speech is not misinterpreted as being intimidating. MER-C 16:37, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

  I second this strong recommendation if you intend to continue editing Wikipedia and especially so if you want to continue in the area in question. I really hope you do desire to continue. You would be missed. You have always been very kind to me and I believe those actions, the good ones, are not lost on the community nor are they forgotten by me but MER-C is right about the tone of your words, which I think you understand. Based on my experiences we are most tone deaf towards ourselves and I think, on some level, this is what is happening here now and has occurred in the past. If I may be candid, you need to open up to your own voice through words, Celestina, listen to yourself and understand that your tone does have more impact than you think. --ARoseWolf 20:00, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

topic ban

• Hi Celstina007, I have closed the ANI thread with the following result:

Full closing statement here [1]. I realize the restriction is a little wordy, but it reflects an attempt to be specific while still allowing you to ask others to take action in obvious cases. Standard advice for all users subject to topic bans is if in doubt on a specific action, assume it would be a violation and don't do it. You seem to have a pretty good support network here, I'm sure you would be able to avail yourself of good advice in any case where you are not certain how to proceed. Best of luck. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:42, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

MfD nomination of Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Oluwa2Chainz

Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Oluwa2Chainz, a page which you created or substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; you may participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Oluwa2Chainz and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Oluwa2Chainz during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Yngvadottir (talk) 00:31, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Celestina007, first of all I see you've been unwell, and I hope you are now feeling a lot better. Your health and your own priorities come first. Secondly, this is primarily a courtesy notification, because I suspect editing the page and/or participation at the MfD would violate your topic ban. If you do want to participate, I suggest you ask someone for advice, and I'm going to ping Beeblebrox myself in case he wants to either confirm or correct my suspicion. Yngvadottir (talk) 00:31, 19 May 2022 (UTC)