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Thanks to the contributions of our many members and supporters, WP:YORKS has become a leading local British WikiProject in terms of the total number of articles supported (up from 9,599 last month to 9,683 on February 28th). In the area of GAs WP:YORKS at 74 is just ahead of WP:GM who have 67. WP:GM has the lead in FAs at 55 out of a total number of 2,917 articles.
Currently we have twenty nine Yorkshire featured articles:
The number has been kept deliberately low to give us a fighting chance of improving them to at least GA status, also so we can concentrate our efforts on these first.
New software release
By the time you read this the new software release mentioned in the last newsletter should be in as it is currently scheduled for 2 March. Problems in switching other wikis have been encountered, most notably Commons, which was reverted twice and, at the time of writing, is still experiencing problems with the new software. See article in Signpost for details.
Discussions
Members may be interested in some discussions that are ongoing at the moment. A discussion on whether or not secondary schools meet notability guidelines is still on-going. If you are interested in having articles on secondary schools then raise your voice in the discussion. Another schools related one is taking place on the talk page of template {{Infobox UK school}} about introducing co-ordinates in to the infobox in addition to the top right corner of the article. Similar discussion was also raised at {{Infobox UK place}}. If you have views then chip in and see if consensus can be found on these areas.
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Within the project, discussions included how two project articles appeared on TFA in quick succession and an RfC on inclusion of particular viewpoint on future lengthening of certain trainsets on British Rail Class 458
Within other related projects, a relevant discussion included was on canal bridges
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Simply south......going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 21:38, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
Dispute resolution survey
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Thanks to the contributions of our many members and supporters, WP:YORKS has become a leading local British WikiProject in terms of the total number of articles supported (up from 9,683 last month to 9,730 on March 29th). In the area of GAs WP:YORKS at 73 is just ahead of WP:GM who have 68. WP:GM has the lead in FAs at 55 out of a total number of 2,928 articles.
Currently we have thirty Yorkshire featured articles:
As of 29 March 2012, we have assessed 100% of all articles with a project banner.
(Some new and additional article talk pages may still require a banner however)
Thanks
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The number has been kept deliberately low to give us a fighting chance of improving them to at least GA status, also so we can concentrate our efforts on these first.
Link rot
This month I thought that we should focus on link rot in articles. Articles are created with lots of references to online sources as this is often easier than using printed sources. This is all well and good until a few months down the line when the web site is no longer available or has been re-organised and the page linked to has been moved. Whatever the reason for the change results in the reference link in our article becoming dead or just pointing at the main page of the site in question. The link therefore provides no verification for the information in our article and needs to be repaired. If you find a link like this then it should be tagged with the {{dead link}} template rather than deleted as the information may give someone a clue as to where to find a replacement link. If you know where the page has been moved to then go ahead and change the URL in the reference rather than tagging it. You could Google to see if a new page can be located or use the Wayback machine to see if there is an archived copy of the page available. If an archived version is located then use the |archiveurl= and |archivedate= fields of the {{citation}} template to record the archived version of the page.
The more information that is recorded when the reference is added the easier it is to find replacement URLs so remember to record as much information as possible when adding a reference. A bare URL with no information as to page title, publisher, publication date etc. makes finding replacements almost impossible. You can add archive details when adding a reference so that there is a backup copy already recorded for the reference. A BOT is currently operating to add archive details to live links to prevent future link rot. For more information on the subject of link rot see here.
It would be good, if this month, we try to reduce the number of {{dead link}} templates in the project's articles as a BOT is currently going round adding the template to articles.
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Emergency gas works cause temporary diversion of route 50
From Tuesday 8 May some long term, but temporary, changes will be made to local traffic arrangements in the North Woolwich area to enable Crossrail works to take place, some lasting 18 months
April
TfL's High Court injunction prevents Addison Lee from instructing its drivers to use bus lanes
Shortlisted bidders for the Bank Station Capacity Upgrade project announced
Londoners urged to plan ahead for Games-time travel as full and final Tube and rail 'hotspot' data released
Private hire vehicle drivers could be liable to personal criminal prosecution if they break traffic regulations, including by driving in bus lanes
New strengthening cables installed within Hammersmith Flyover
New entrance to West Croydon station provides better access for all
All the world's poets on the Tube
Major resurfacing works to take place along Victoria Embankment across Easter Bank Holiday weekend
Temporary changes to bus services during London 2012 Games test event in Woolwich.
Capital's rogue limousines targeted
Out-of-hours deliveries to be encouraged during London 2012 Olympic and Paralympic Games
MUMS-to-be travelling by Tube can get a baby on board badge so passengers know they may need to sit down
Within the project, discussions included how two project articles appeared on TFA in quick succession, a RfC on inclusion of particular viewpoint on future lengthening of certain trainsets on British Rail Class 458 and assessment of London Underground's electric locomotives
Within other related projects, a relevant discussion included was on canal bridges and speeds of trains and rail routes
Requests
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No problem. I'm almost always in favor of letting the warnings go through and not WP:BITEing, but obvious vandal is obvious. -RunningOnBrains(talk) 05:15, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
Precious
talk
Thank you for not living your user name, but talking to articles, talking to users in a helpful way (Kathleen Ferrier), getting new users started, talking to self, - all with disillusioned (= good) sense, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:48, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
I like "debitterment", matching Gott fähret auf mit Jauchzen nicely. Will look for a better translation of the title, should match Christmas Oratorio in spirit. But of course there is Passion also, called "he was despised" on my user, and I used the line not only for Jesus, if you want to follow, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:01, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
Ha, thanks. I will have a look. Best wishes DBaK (talk) 14:39, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
My edit in article Paul McCreesh
Hi! Thank you for calling me on my edit. I was unaware of the usage you point out for such rationale comments in artcles themself (not surprising; there's so much to learn). *sigh....*
Please feel free to correctly reapply your comment. A bot I'm rabidly following around spotted your signature as something to be reverted. Sorry for removing your comment as well; I absolutely didn't mean to do a rude edit. Wishing you all the best and sorry for causing you this inconvenience. Fylbecatuloustalk 12:35, 13 May 2012 (UTC).
Likewise, thank you for being the editor I encountered, instead of one who bites a newbie. I too am quite allergic to rudeness and all the dissention here. You kindly pointed out something I needed to know and more than likely saved me from later having my feelings hurt in a similar situation. Happy to meet you. Fylbecatuloustalk 13:15, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
Thanks to the contributions of our many members and supporters, WP:YORKS has become a leading local British WikiProject in terms of the total number of articles supported (up from 9,730 last month to 9,769 on April 28th). In the area of GAs WP:YORKS at 73 is just ahead of WP:GM who have 68. WP:GM has the lead in FAs at 56 out of a total number of 2,983 articles.
Currently we have thirty one Yorkshire featured articles:
The number has been kept deliberately low to give us a fighting chance of improving them to at least GA status, also so we can concentrate our efforts on these first.
Elections
May is the month for local elections to take place in many of our town and cities. This will create a lot of work in updating all of the place articles that include council make-up details. In addition each of the elections will require a new article creating to cover details of the election and the results in each of the wards. A number of elections from the last round of elections have not yet been created and it would be good if the missing election articles could be created so that we have a full set of recent elections for Yorkshire.
At the same time as the local council elections a number of cities in the area are holding a referendum on elected mayors. The main article will need to be updated with the results from each of the cities involved and any background that may be relevant to that article. Individual articles covering the referendum in each of the cities involved would also be useful to create while the details and references are to hand in the local press.
WikiProject Yorkshire Collaboration of the Month Project
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First stations named for London Underground WiFi launch
May
Transport for London welcomes RMT acceptance of Olympics recognition proposals
Crime on London's transport network at eight year low
London 2012 Games first: TfL officials to provide live travel advice to businesses on Twitter
London Underground showcases proposals to boost Bank's capacity
TfL launches London 2012 Games 'Temporary Road Changes' planning tool and urges road users to plan ahead
Daily weekday River Bus services to treble between Putney and Blackfriars
Staff recognised at Dial-a-Ride Awards 2012
Medically trained BTP officers deployed on the Tube
New Oyster online accounts help customers keep track of their travel
Olympic legends compete to be the fastest to cross London
Tracey Emin unveils personal version of the Tube Map
Wembley Central becomes the 65th step-free Tube station
Vital investment and reliability programme result in record year of Tube performance
Emirates Air Line flying high as all 34 cabins undergo rigorous safety testing
Hammersmith Flyover to fully reopen to traffic on 30 May
TfL issues travel advice to enable London to celebrate The Queen's Diamond Jubilee
Buses diversions in Bromley town centre for Diamond Jubilee celebrations
Transport for London (TfL) and Network Rail are encouraging those travelling during Games-time to make short journeys on foot as Living Streets' Walk to Work Week launches
Who is Community? - a new artwork by Bob and Roberta Smith and Tim Newton running from 15 May 2012 through 2013 on display at Stratford station
Transport for London (TfL), the Association of Train Operating Companies (ATOC) and Cubic Transportation Systems have picked up top honours at the 2012 International Transport Forum for their joint work on introducing Oyster onto the National Rail network in London
Emergency gas works cause temporary diversion of route 50
From Tuesday 8 May some long term, but temporary, changes will be made to local traffic arrangements in the North Woolwich area to enable Crossrail works to take place, some lasting 18 months
Within the project, discussions included how two project articles appeared on TFA in quick succession, a RfC on inclusion of particular viewpoint on future lengthening of certain trainsets on British Rail Class 458 and assessment of London Underground's electric locomotives
Within other related projects, relevant discussions included were on the expansion and promotion of Herne Hill railway station, the existence of the Sutton Loop, Midland Main Line vs Gret Central Main Line and WikiProject London in Signpost
Requests
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Thanks to the contributions of our many members and supporters, WP:YORKS has become a leading local British WikiProject in terms of the total number of articles supported (up from 9,769 last month to 9,824 on May 28th). In the area of GAs WP:YORKS at 74 is just ahead of WP:GM who have 70. WP:GM has the lead in FAs at 56 out of a total number of 2,993 articles.
Currently we have thirty one Yorkshire featured articles:
The number has been kept deliberately low to give us a fighting chance of improving them to at least GA status, also so we can concentrate our efforts on these first.
Commons links
This month I thought that I would mention the {{Commons category}} template to generate a link to image categories on Commons holding additional images for topics. The template should be added to articles where Commons holds a number of other images that are not displayed in the article to provide a convenient link to these additional images. If you do not want to display the box then {{Commons category inline}} can be used instead to add an entry to the External links section.
The problem with both these templates is they use the article name as the name for the category on Commons so if an article is renamed the link is broken. To overcome this please ensure that all usages of these templates have as the first parameter the name of the category on Commons that is being used, even if it is the same as the article title. To enable those usages that have not been given a parameter to be tracked the hidden category Category:Commons category template with no category set has been set up. This has initially only been applied to the {{Commons category}} template. It would be good if members fixed these while editing articles to avoid having to edit specifically to fix the problem.
For newer members you can see hidden categories by setting the "Show hidden categories" option in the "Advanced options" section of the "Appearance" tab of the "my preferences" link.
WikiProject Yorkshire Collaboration of the Month Project
The June 2012 articles selected below are an editors choice and a suggestion from the project talk page.
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Just in case you didn't see it – someone else has posted since me – I have shown my support in The history:
(cur | prev) 08:36, July 3, 2012 Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk | contribs) . . (41,542 bytes) (+4) . . (Re- previous edit summary: I agree with DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered ... of course it is "orbital" and should be referred to as such here. "Ring road", really! +para break added to clarify meaning of "It") (undo)
Within the project, discussions included how two project articles appeared on TFA in quick succession, a RfC on inclusion of particular viewpoint on future lengthening of certain trainsets on British Rail Class 458,assessment of London Underground's electric locomotives and the Hammersmith & City line navbox
Within other related projects, relevant discussions included were on major railway stations in Britain, a new London train wiki and the notability of railway magazines
Requests
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Thanks as ever for your much appreciated copy edits over at Embedded liberalism. I read your edit summary about not understanding it. You’re obviously well read and well above average in political awareness, so if folk like you dont understand my work Im a little concerned Im wasting my time. Ive tried to frame the subject more clearly in the lede, maybe its now more understandable?
Thanks very much for the message and the advice. Im much happier now you've said your comment was mostly tongue-in-cheek :-) . FeydHuxtable (talk) 19:00, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
In economist's parlance, your excellent copy editing creates a "perverse incentive" for me never to learn the correct spelling of "consensus". At least its good for the Kitten economyFeydHuxtable (talk) 11:31, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks to the contributions of our many members and supporters, WP:YORKS has become a leading local British WikiProject in terms of the total number of articles supported (up from 9,824 last month to 9,880 on June 28th). In the area of GAs WP:YORKS at 78 is just ahead of WP:GM who have 70. WP:GM has the lead in FAs at 56 out of a total number of 3,009 articles.
Currently we have thirty one Yorkshire featured articles:
The number has been kept deliberately low to give us a fighting chance of improving them to at least GA status, also so we can concentrate our efforts on these first.
Did You Know?
At the suggestion of a member I have added Did You Know? entries for the project to the article activity section of the newsletter. Not having had any entries since January this month saw seven Yorkshire related articles appear in this front page section. There is a list of the recent entries from the project's articles on the main project page with a full list here.
When working on an article it is always worth considering if it can be nominated for the Did You Know? section on the main page. May be a little more work but it does get the article recognised and exposed to a wider audience. The main requirements for a nomination are that, within the last five days, it was created, expanded fivefold or, for an unsourced BLP, newly referenced and expanded twofold. If you think an article meets these basic requirements then take a look at the eligibility criteria and make a nomination. The hook is the important part of the process as that is the text that will appear on the front page and this must be mentioned in the article with an appropriate inline citation to back it up. If you can suggest more than one hook for an article then the more chances of it been selected for inclusion on the front page. If you do nominate it is important to keep an eye on the nomination as there may be questions/suggestions from those reviewing the hooks that you will need to respond to if the nomination is to succeed.
WikiProject Yorkshire Collaboration of the Month Project
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RepliedRegarding my request to have the article deleted, it was my first attempt! I had the idea to do it early on Wednesday evening whilst undoing my revert. I had thought Douglas would have already done it. Thought I'd check the talk page, and used Twinkle from there! I have moved User:TenPoundHammer's section on my page into Douglas's for continuity. What happens next? Any further advice would be much appreciated.
Thank you for your comment, I am, obviously, new to editing wiki pages. My intentions for editing the PLOS ONE wiki page goes along with all PLOS collateral we have out on the internet for public consumption. Our organization has just gone through a new style guide change and have updated our logo from PLoS to PLOS. http://www.plos.org/new-plos-look/ While I understand the heated debate in the PLOS ONE talk section, what I am implementing is PLOS-wide and a neccessity. It was unintentional in changing the links to make them invalid, however I did purposfully attempt to change the logo to find out that I am not allowed to upload new images for another 4 days.
Any guidance you could provide would be greatly appreciated, if this was the incorrect way to reach back out to you, I apologize.
Within the project, discussions included the Hammersmith & City line navbox, the deletion of Template:London Underground Tube Stations & Rolling Stock and links to London Underground usage data figures not working
Within other related projects, relevant discussions included were on the Olympics, notability of railway magzines, various railway templates, waterways become active routes on Google Maps, bus station categories and notability of a bus type and a bus builder.
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Simply south......flapping wings into buildings for just 6 years 22:34, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
Henri Cogan
Hello DBAK,
Henri Cogan was mainly a stuntman and fight choreographer. He usually played only tiny roles and his characters often had no names. If you watch these films you can easily miss his appearance if you are not given a description of his role.
Well, I took the filmography from the French Wiki article, checked which films have been released in English-speaking countries too and translated some of the role descriptions.
Cogan deserves a Wiki article because his work was pivotal for Eddie Constantine's success. Cogan was his boxing instructor and without this training Constantine would probably not have qualified for the role of Lemmy Caution. Later Constantine wouldn't sign a film contract unless Cogan was hired too. This has all been said in a contemporary German article:
Zucker für den Affen (Stuff for fun)
There is even a photograph of Cogan "at work". My father, like so many of his generation, never knew Cogan's name, but when he recognised his face on the screen he could tell a big brawl was underway... Does any of that answer your question?
NordhornerII_The man from Nordhorn 01:00, 8 August 2012 (UTC) (talk)
While I expanded the English article I also updated the filmography of the French version. When I wrote "habitant" I was a little tired because all this had taken more time than planned. Yes, I am really from Nordhorn. I work in Münster though. NordhornerII _The man from Nordhorn 22:36, 9 August 2012 (UTC)(talk)
Ah oui! Well done!! Cheers DBaK (talk) 22:38, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
London's utility bosses agree action plan for less disruptive roadworks
Tube set to post most reliable performance figures for a decade
Spiderweb reduces theft on London transport by 14 per cent
February
Contractors shortlisted to save tens of millions of pounds through new joint highway works
Read it and bin it, newspapers can cause Tube delays
Crime continues to fall on London's bus network
First passengers jump aboard the new bus for London
Mayor brings London's rail industry together to get set for the London 2012 Games
Freight operators and their customers urged to prepare for London 2012 Games with launch of new campaign
Crystal Palace improvement work to begin
New online process announced for London Service Permits
Mayor steps up HGV safety campaign to benefit cyclists and pedestrians
New card to make travel easier for people with hidden disabilities
Art on the Underground launches Canary Wharf Screen at Tube station
Cycling grants to help communities ride to the 2012 Games
Blackfriars Underground station reopens to cater for influx of passengers
Work begins to cool the platforms at two major central London stations
War on fare dodgers increases as penalty charges go up this weekend
Less than one month to go until Barclays Cycle Hire goes east
Changes to travel around Paddington Station due to Crossrail works
Incident response on the Tube to be boosted under 'Blue Light' trial
London Tramlink upgrade continues
TfL confirms priority junctions for cycle safety review
Project News
Articles
Baker Street and Waterloo Railway is on track to be Today's Featured Article on the Main Page on 10th March, the 106th anniversary of the line's opening
Since in various guises I assembled about 90% of this page I can confess that its usefulness is almost nil and I would relent to another's accusing me of essentially assembling a 'vanity page.' So when I referred to non-Americans having no interest in the 125th PA page, I was ridiculing my own interest in the page. Self-deprecation can diffuse hostility, except in cases where every word is being analyzed for an angle of attack.
There a very, very few living people reading Regimental Histories from the Civil War. There are fewer outside of the United States.
The oddness of the 125th's RH is how devoted the survivors were to an RH for a nine-month Regiment. The Regiment had several great minds among the survivors, and for some reason, they devoted large pieces of their lives to polishing and perfecting their RH.
My own theory is, they gave their lives (i.e., time) out of dedication to those who actually lost their lives. I'm self-aware enough to know that my own theories are simply more vanity. Another with a theory that a single source of estimating Civil War casualties has achieved "perfection" in this incredible imprecise arena has no awareness of his own folly. Actually, I'm self aware enought to know that this writing will be skimmed over for sources of abuse and not really absorbed.
My master's degree is largely statitics. There's a difference between a population parameter and a sample statistic. You assemble a sample statistic as an estimate of a population parameter. The greatest statistician of my lifetime said, "Parameters are unknown and unknowable." The average height of American male? It's somewhere aroung 69.5" The "perfect number" is known only to God because, as I typed, several men died and several others achieved adulthood.--Donaldecoho (talk) 10:04, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
When you go to Antietam, there might be a man doing an impression of Color Sergeant George Simpson. He'll have a large 34-star flag and an 1850 Officer's Sword. He goes there to teach history, in general, and the 125th PA in particular.
I wish you could have been there when this one 12-year-old boy from Texas* approached. He was with me for more than an hour, and HE'LL be the one who will be reading RHs in the future.--Donaldecoho (talk) 10:46, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
I should confess: when I encounter Texans at Antietam, I point out towards the 'Great Cornfield,' and I ask them, "Do you know why you should be proud to be a Texan?" and followup up with "Out there, the 1st TX Infantry fought and received the GREATEST NUMBER OF CASUALTIES OF ANY SINGLE CIVIL WAR REGIMENT FOR A SINGLE DAY DURING THE ENTIRE CIVIL WAR!"
Jesperson's favorite, Busey, will promote the 1MN to 'Top Honors,' which I'm **MORE THAN** than fine with at a personal level, but I see more Texans than Minnesotans at the Battlefield. Since the North won the war Yankees are generally complacent and uninterested.
Somebody from Alabama asked me directly in the presence of her 8-year-old son, "Was the Civil War REALLY about slavery?" I choked back my truest feelings and answered, "That's a matter of opinion, Mam. Whose opinion do you want?"
To reflect my truest feelings, I'll quote verbatim Lincoln from memory,
"Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves. And under a just God cannot long retain it." April 6, 1859 in a letter to Henry Pierce.
I should also mention that I do this on Saturdays without pay of my own volition. I have no sanction or endorsement from the NPS.
Now that I think about it, it would be more convenient to do Color Sergeant Roland Morris of 13MA at Gettysburg. Gbg is closer and I would be less pissed off about Jesperson and ICARUSPHOENIX's BS while I'm doing it.
Thanks to the contributions of our many members and supporters, WP:YORKS has become a leading local British WikiProject in terms of the total number of articles supported (up from 9,880 last month to 9,942 on July 25th). In the area of GAs WP:YORKS at 83 is just ahead of WP:GM who have 72. WP:GM has the lead in FAs at 56 out of a total number of 3,022 articles.
Currently we have thirty one Yorkshire featured articles:
The number has been kept deliberately low to give us a fighting chance of improving them to at least GA status, also so we can concentrate our efforts on these first.
Sporting feast
Just in case it has escaped members notice but August is a big sporting month with the 2012 Olympic Games taking place at the start of the month and the 2012–13 Football season getting under way from the middle of the month. There are likely to be lots of articles that will need changing as we go through the month with new signings, new records etc. so keep an eye on sport related articles and try and keep them up to date.
I have picked a pair of sport related items for this month's collaboration from the suggestions on the project talk page. So those of you with a sporting slant should have plenty to get going with this month.
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Having edited the page a few days ago, you may appreciate the new photo.--Wikipariah — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.36.94.34 (talk) 16:26, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks to the contributions of our many members and supporters, WP:YORKS has become a leading local British WikiProject in terms of the total number of articles supported (up from 9,880 last month to 9,942 on July 25th). In the area of GAs WP:YORKS at 83 is just ahead of WP:GM who have 72. WP:GM has the lead in FAs at 56 out of a total number of 3,065 articles.
Currently we have thirty one Yorkshire featured articles:
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Schools back
This month is the time for the start of a new school year. All of those pupils going to a new school will be looking for information on their new school and so the school articles under the project's banner will get higher than usual hits. It would be good if members could keep an eye out for vandalism and the addition of vanity entries on the local school articles.
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RE: September 2012
"Welcome, and thank you for your attempt to lighten up Wikipedia. However, this is an encyclopedia and the articles are intended to be serious, so please don't make joke edits, as you did to Yolo County, California. Readers looking for accurate information will not find them amusing. If you'd like to experiment with editing, try the sandbox, where you can write practically anything you want. DBaK (talk) 22:54, 16 September 2012 (UTC)"
That's a very nice thing to say, thank you! Ilovdedyoupiggy (talk) 01:28, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
I'd like to extend a cordial invitation to you to join the Ten Year Society, an informal group for editors who've been participating in the Wikipedia project for ten years or more.
Best regards, -- Hex [t/c] 12:01, 27 September 2012 (UTC).
Thanks to the contributions of our many members and supporters, WP:YORKS has become a leading local British WikiProject in terms of the total number of articles supported (up from 9,942 last month to 10,141 on September 27th). In the area of GAs WP:YORKS at 87 is just ahead of WP:GM who have 72. WP:GM has the lead in FAs at 57 out of a total number of 3,102 articles.
Currently we have thirty one Yorkshire featured articles:
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Got off on the wrong foot
Sorry I think we got off on the wrong foot, I apologise for any offence caused, but I wouldn't mind having an enlightened debate on the topic with you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Justgravy (talk • contribs) 10:43, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
Within the project, discussions included links to London Underground usage data figures not working, Herne Hill station appearing on the main page and Docklands Light Railway usage now being available
Within other related projects, relevant discussions included were on the Olympics, notability of railway magzines, various railway templates, waterways become active routes on Google Maps, bus station categories and notability of a bus type and a bus builder.
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Thanks to the contributions of our many members and supporters, WP:YORKS has become a leading local British WikiProject in terms of the total number of articles supported (up from 10,141 last month to 10,234 on October 28th). In the area of GAs WP:YORKS at 88 is just ahead of WP:GM who have 72. WP:GM has the lead in FAs at 57 out of a total number of 3,140 articles.
Currently we have thirty one Yorkshire featured articles:
The number has been kept deliberately low to give us a fighting chance of improving them to at least GA status, also so we can concentrate our efforts on these first.
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Thanks to the contributions of our many members and supporters, WP:YORKS has become a leading local British WikiProject in terms of the total number of articles supported (up from 10,234 last month to 10,275 on November 27th). In the area of GAs WP:YORKS at 91 is just ahead of WP:GM who have 72. WP:GM has the lead in FAs at 57 out of a total number of 3,163 articles.
Currently we have thirty one Yorkshire featured articles:
The number has been kept deliberately low to give us a fighting chance of improving them to at least GA status, also so we can concentrate our efforts on these first.
Signpost
The editors over at the weekly Signpost, that goes out to a large number of people on Wikipedia, have indicated that they would like to feature the Yorkshire project in one of the future editions. There was an invitation on the project's talk page for members to get involved in this by responding to a series of questions. It is disappointing that no members have stepped forward to respond to this but they have gone on my responses and the project should be featured in the 3rd December issue of the magazine.
Happy Christmas
It is Christmas time again so I would like to take this opportunity to wish all members of the project a happy Christmas.
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Ha, Gerda, you never fail to make me smile: that was a good catch. Thanks, but actually it's not so much my being nice as hoping that she is going to save me from premature madness ... :) Cheers DBaK (talk) 09:38, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
Now you made me smile, thank you! I hope she will save ... - While it was rather easy to tell you that you are an awesome Wikipedian (12 May), telling her was not so, and I could not do it during the election - certainly not sure if it would help or the opposite ;)
ps: I miss PumpkinSky, again, on top of the one she offered tea - how do you like my red cat? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:50, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
Thanks! I always find it a bit sad when we lose editors; I don't feel as if I will ever understand the dynamics of this place. Sorry, I am missing the point totally about he red cat - please enlighten me! (I am aware that if I was a proper person I could figure it out but asking you may be quicker!) cheers DBaK (talk) 10:13, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
I enjoy puns, cat as category, on my user ;) - close to the red cat, under "workshop", you find the dynamics, #1 "pride and prejudice", #2 "RfA" (termed an attack page in the middle of it), - my disillusioned answer: the red cat ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:21, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
Ah, I see, thank you very much! Best wishes DBaK (talk) 10:34, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
Don't only look at the dynamics, there's "hope" and "history" also ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:02, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
Within the project, discussions included assessments after another year, date vandalism with the London Underground 1973 stock, deletions of Template:Infobox TfL Line and Template:Access icon and the featured article review of the London congestion charge
Within other related projects, relevant discussions included were on InterCity 125, Template:Access icon, unidentified station photo locations in London, LMS Hughes Crab, waterways and railways maps and photo requests of head offices.
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for sorting out my half-baked efforts at SPI. Not something I have needed to get involved with before.--Charles (talk) 17:53, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
Happy Christmas
Wishing everyone a very happy Christmas (or other seasonal and/or religious jollity). Hope you have an excellent day. With best wishes DBaK (talk) 02:36, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
Thanks to the contributions of our many members and supporters, WP:YORKS has become a leading local British WikiProject in terms of the total number of articles supported (up from 10,275 last month to 10,294 on December 15th). In the area of GAs WP:YORKS at 93 is just ahead of WP:GM who have 73. WP:GM has the lead in FAs at 57 out of a total number of 3,171 articles.
Currently we have thirty one Yorkshire featured articles:
The number has been kept deliberately low to give us a fighting chance of improving them to at least GA status, also so we can concentrate our efforts on these first.
Signpost
Just to let members know that the project was featured in the 3 December issue of the Signpost magazine. You can read that issue of the magazine here.
Happy New Year
It is the start of another year so I would like to take this opportunity to wish all members of the project a happy New Year.
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Hi. I am intrigued by your edit summary "I thought we were not supposed to do that any more", but am not quite sure what we are not supposed to be doing. Any clues? Regards. Bob1960evens (talk) 14:14, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
Oops! Sorry, I should have been much clearer. Thanks you very much for asking. What I think we are not supposed to do is things like:
Temple Fortune Railway Station is a railway station at Temple Fortune
The Ruritanian Bald Tiger is a hairless tiger ...
A High-Pitched Vuvuzela is a vuvuzela of high pitch ...
in other words (and I think there is a proper policy and info on this somewhere could I but find it), if the article title says what the thing is, the lead doesn't have to contort itself to say it again in order to get a "The X is a YZ" type of first sentence out of it. So where it previously said "The River Rother is a river" (try saying that quickly several times when you've had a few) it now doesn't do that bit of definition, but just plunges on with the fact that it flows, which seems a jolly good thing for both the river and the article to do. No information is lost but the first sentence reads more comfortably, I feel. I think that when Wikipedia started getting larger and more formal there was a bit of a tendency to feel that you had to say "The X is a Y" as the very first thing and it's only more recently that people have started to move away, when appropriate, from adhering too strongly to that format. I hope this makes sense, albeit in a rambling and disjointed kind of way, and has helped. With best wishes DBaK (talk) 14:42, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the explanation. Bob1960evens (talk) 16:19, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
Most welcome, happy editing! DBaK (talk) 20:34, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
Within the project, discussions included the featured article review of the London congestion charge, edits to London Buses route 24, date of publication of a 1938 LU stock emergency equipment diagram, Metropolitan Railway being TFA to mark the 150th anniversary of the tube and bus routes in station articles.
Within other related projects, relevant discussions included unidentified station photo locations in London, linking to train station, bus routes in station articles, template font problems, railway route boxes, primary road destinations in infoboxes and River Lee move discussions.
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Replied at t'other end DBaK (talk) 08:21, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Thank you!
For taking the time to list school shootings. I appreciate the work you put into the list, and assume that most can be verified. What a guy. Thanks very much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.246.171.217 (talk) 06:24, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Replied at t'other end DBaK (talk) 08:21, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Thank you too!
I sense a kindred spirit and yes definitely a North York Moors crusade. Thanks so much for those links, I'm learning as I go along and guessed some of my etiquette will not be quite right yet.
Cheers TrinaMc (talk) 21:29, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
Thanks to the contributions of our many members and supporters, WP:YORKS has become a leading local British WikiProject in terms of the total number of articles supported (up from 10,294 last month to 10,371 on January 28th). In the area of GAs WP:YORKS at 93 is ahead of WP:GM who have 74. WP:GM has the lead in FAs at 57 out of a total number of 3,185 articles.
Currently we have thirty one Yorkshire featured articles:
The number has been kept deliberately low to give us a fighting chance of improving them to at least GA status, also so we can concentrate our efforts on these first.
2011 Census
The Office for National Statistics have now published the detailed information from the 2011 Census for wards and parishes. The data can be searched for on their web site here. Would be good to get the information added to all of the relevant articles but this is a big job. If the article already has the 2001 census figures then it may be worth retaining these, in the text of the article, for comparison purposes.
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The Hoxton Horror
I didn't originate it; the scriptwiter Bertram Millhauser did, in the 1944 Sherlock Holmes movie The Pearl of Death, where he's also know as The Hoxton Creeper. (I have just added this to Rondo Hatton's article) Cheers! Christhe spelleryack 16:48, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Ha! Absolutely brilliant - you do indeed learn something every day, as they say! Thanks for that ... cheers DBaK (talk) 20:27, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
New-found not newfound
Hello again, after bumping along together this morning on our good, old friend M25! Just posted on this page and lo and behold you had posted on the same issue immediately ahead of me. I had not noticed until then. Cheers! – Gareth Griffith-Jones – The WelshBuzzard – 19:18, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
Ha! It's a most amusingly small world sometimes, isn't it? Thanks for the note :) DBaK (talk) 08:31, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
at my talk for a poem and a pic ;) - I thought the pic would be good on the Main page on Ash Wednesday, but not so Teh Community ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:26, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Thanks - good stuff. I am far too frightened to go along with the poem, but I recognize its value. :) DBaK (talk) 14:28, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Visit the author, perhaps ;) - or take the pic --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:36, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
You are more than welcome
...and my response was not fast; should have seen me in my heyday...I would have protected before you made the request ;). I like your username, btw, and can rlate to it, especially the 'knackered' part. Cheers and, well, happy editing. Lectonar (talk) 17:07, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Ha, thanks very much! Glad you like it. Best wishes DBaK (talk) 17:52, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Hi there. Thank you for thinking of me. In fact, my interest in QK is pretty much concluded now, although I do still watch the article. I'm sorry to say that I don't have anything useful to add to this gentleman's enquiry - it must be annoying for him, though, if we don't fix it! I have responded there but I'm afraid it adds little. Thanks and best wishes DBaK (talk) 08:57, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for responding at the help desk. Maybe someone else will find a source. Take care -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 09:27, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
Hope so - though I am not holding my breath just yet! Cheers DBaK (talk) 09:28, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
work= publisher=
Hello DBAK, quite a few people use |publisher= incorrectly, and I have seen this on a recent edit of yours too. If your are unsure which to use, please use |work= or |newspaper= only, as nine-time-out-of-ten this is more likely to be correct. For example |work=BBC News Online or |work=The Guardian; the metadata will then be accurate and will be formatted correctly in the right place and using italics. Hope that helps and happy editing, —Sladen (talk) 12:25, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
Ah, thanks, didn't know - I will read up on this. Thanks very much, and sorry for any annoyance I've caused. Cheers DBaK (talk) 12:35, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
Hi, I've edited the licensing information re-included the photo, I hope this is now sufficient. I represent Alison at EMI Classics and have changed the image at her request. The image is licenced to EMIClassics for press and promotion.
Dear DBK - I too am charmed by the fact that LdP was at one time a grocer, but the WP mores is that the categories should only be used where the person involved was notable for the quality involved - if Lorenzo had started, for example, the first grocery chain in NY, he might have qualified, but I understand he was in fact a notable failure in the world of comestibles. However I see that the article Grocer has a list of famous grocers, so you might care to add Lorenzo there. Do come to the music festival - we would be delighted to see you there. Best, --Smerus (talk) 10:28, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
Yes, I agree. I'll just do a bit more work on it before I shift it, because it will mean going around all the traps again. Oh, it's already after midnight in the Great South Land. Need more coffee at this rate!
I'm planning on doing some solid work on a number of the cathedral articles. I've worked on Birmingham, Bristol, Carlisle, Chester, Chichester, Wells.... I got started alphabetically and went oK until I reached Canterbury. And while I m more familiar with Canterbury than any other cathedral, the state of the article was so appalling that I walked off whistling and did Carlisle instead. Then someone asked me to go to Chester and buy into the bun-fight that was going on.... I think it had to do with the bell-ringers (we bell-ringers get the blame for everything) . The systematic project stalled for a bit, but having been sweetly asked to write about the architecture of Wells, I couldn't resist, because it's just a teensy bit my favourite. By the time I got back to Canterbury, it was in infinitely better shape than when I left it. Amandajm (talk) 13:39, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
Thank you so much for the replies - interesting, and a great illumination of the wiki-process as it sometimes happens! Good luck with it all, cheers DBaK (talk) 13:41, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
BTW I really like you "Drive-by tagging is evil, wrong and lazy"!
There was an evil Australian bitch a few years back who cruised around the articles on villages and country towns deleting, tagging and leaving little messages for people in one pub, one creek, one general store locations telling them that their "family history" was irrelevant. She clocked up a huge number of edits without ever adding a useful sentence......
Hello, DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered. You have new messages at Amandajm's talk page. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.
Yes - it's a bit of a pet peeve of mine. I always think that if you can't put in even the most basic effort to help, then just tagging and running off is really little better than graffiti. DBaK (talk) 07:58, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks to the contributions of our many members and supporters, WP:YORKS has become a leading local British WikiProject in terms of the total number of articles supported (up from 10,371 last month to 10,390 on February 25th). In the area of GAs WP:YORKS at 95 is ahead of WP:GM who have 74. WP:GM has the lead in FAs at 57 out of a total number of 3,190 articles.
Currently we have thirty one Yorkshire featured articles:
The number has been kept deliberately low to give us a fighting chance of improving them to at least GA status, also so we can concentrate our efforts on these first.
Interwiki links
There has been a major change this month to the way that interwiki links are handled with the introduction of Wikidata. Wikidata is a central place to record meta-data about an article and the initial phase was rolled out this month to cater for interwiki links. The links in the language area are served from this project and can be edited by use of the "edit links" icon at the bottom of the list. These links in articles are now redundant but if present override the information supplied by wikidata. Check each of the links to ensure that they exist and are correct on wikidata before removing the entry from an article. BOTs are in the process of removing these links from articles but will leave behind missing or conflicting links for someone to investigate and fix appropriately.
Be aware that when moving articles to change the destination for the en interwiki link on wikidata to point to the new article location. The redirect will normally take care of this
but if the original name is reused for a different article then other wikis will be pointing to an incorrect location.
Wikidate also does not handle section links in the interwiki link so these must remain as part of the article code.
Watchlists have been changed to give an extra option to Show/Hide changes to wikidata entries for articles on the watchlist.
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Middlesbrough and Dunkirk
Hi this is historyman53. I noticed the article on twinning Middlesbrough with Dunkirk and started to research the claim of 25% of ships coming from Teessport. First let me apologise for trying to edit before talking. Never done this before and really had no idea about how to edit or protocol. Your source is the Evening Gazette article which is not verifiable. I've checked the Dunkirk small boats register. 1 boat out of 192 was built at Smiths dock. Not a single destroyer or corvette was built here either. Will continue to plow through the records but sadly I don't think we teessiders can lay claim to 25%. Certainly the ships didn't actually sail from Teesport so I assume the claim is that they were built up here.Historyman53 (talk) 13:47, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
Note - DBaK changed sig for new user - it's in the history. DBaK (talk) 11:49, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks very much for the useful and interesting note. Please don't apologize - Wikipedia is a very odd place when you first come here and it takes some getting used to! The key thing is that we are now communicating. The best place to do this is definitely on Talk pages rather than inside the actual article itself. :) I'm sorry if I got a bit snarky about this - I should have been more tolerant.
Now, given that you've done all this work and that so far all there is on the pro-link side is the one journalist's article, I'm happy to agree that - pending any better evidence! - the claim should not stand. I would support an attempt to remove it or, at the very least, to initially challenge the verifiability of the source with a view to either removing it or marking it as needing a cite.
The way forward with this, rather than either just zap it straight out or comment on it in-article, is probably to raise it on the article's own Talk page at Talk:Middlesbrough and then we can make sure that what's going on is understood and agreed. Wikipedia editors (with some notable exceptions!) are usually pretty open-minded and helpful if it's discussed properly. I am happy to raise it for you, if you would like, or please raise it yourself and I can chip in with a comment if it seems helpful. When you do you might want to check if you are logged in or not - if you want to be identified at historyman53 you should log in as that, whereas in this edit above you're identified by your IP address only.
I hope this all helps, and please either let me know if you'd like me to take it up, or go ahead yourself - I have the page watched so I'll see changes. Thanks for all your efforts and best wishes, DBaK (talk) 08:20, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Hi again DBaK, I'm sure I'll get the hang of this eventually but it is far from straightforward. At this moment I'm not even sure wether I'm replying to you or not! Just out of personal interest I'll continue to check all the ships but it's getting increasingly involved! I have an abiding interest in most history and it grieves me to see generalisations become truth just by being repeated often enough. Robin Hood etc being a case in point. I Would be grateful if you would do the 'necessary' to question the entry. Must educate myself regarding all the etiquette and user name/ip address.Historyman53 (talk) 11:44, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Ha! Thanks for the note and yep, definitely not straightforward! You are indeed replying to me, and you are logged in, and you got the sig right with the four tildes ~~~~ so this is all great! Much more importantly, you've got the ideas and the commitment and have probably saved the article from error ... this is actually much more important than the technical stuff, which anyone can learn as long as they have nothing more worthwhile to do! :) We could talk another time about getting into it but for now, I'll just say yes I will be delighted to start on this for you. I feel it's the least I can do seeing as how I was a bit challenging at first. I am a bit busy right now but will do something with it as soon as possible. Cheers DBaK (talk) 12:48, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
I've had a go based on emailing the journalist and, perhaps more importantly, on what the council's own twinning page says. I hope it's an improvement! Best wishes DBaK (talk) 14:07, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
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Hey DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered; I'm dropping you this note because you've used the article feedback tool in the last month or so. On Thursday and Friday the tool will be down for a major deployment; it should be up by Saturday, failing anything going wrong, and by Monday if something does :). Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 22:35, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
Written on Skin
DBaK - how I envy you! - I am stranded in Kiev at the moment and wrote the stub in frustration at missing the show - Benjamin is I think a wonderful composer. Hopefully I will catch WoS sometime, somewhere....Best, --Smerus (talk) 06:13, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for your very helpful edits to A381 road, both the couple of minor ones in February (I had never realised that the mileage template could be adjectivised!) and particularly the one earlier this evening when you added 6622 bytes to the article. I find it incredible that an experienced editor would blank and redirect an article which had been peer-reviewed at B-class with not even so much as a talk note or an afd proposal, so once again thanks for your work, and also for the nice realistic perspective in the links on your userpage... Baldy Bill (sharpen the razor|see my reflection) 20:16, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks very much for the note, and you're welcome. Yes, the adjectival form in the convert template is good, isn't it? I was surprised by the redirection too, not least because it's from a very conscientious and busy editor whose work is superb. I think you may not have heard the last of this redirect but it would be good to give it a discussion. I think the article should be kept, but I am not sure about policy vs what I would, in this case, view more as common sense. Cheers DBaK (talk) 08:38, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the notice. I have noticed your good work as well. If I am alert, I will check the revision history when reviewing most vandalism. I have been caught a few times doing what my previous correspondent apparently did on another article. He reverted vandalism only to restore previous vandalism by a different IP user. I have seen ClueBot do this at least once as well. Donner60 (talk) 23:01, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
I now recall that it was a bit more complicated than just going back to a previous clean version. Some of the edits from at least two users may have been intended in good faith but they were awkward, even sounding pejorative. I kept the concept that his disease caused dwarfism but cleared away the awkward, if not pejorative, language. The main point is that I appreciate your notice. Donner60 (talk) 23:44, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
Replied at t'other end thanks. DBaK (talk) 14:03, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
What edit?
What edit was it? What error did I make? Ashbeckjonathan 13:53, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
Replied at t'other end thanks. DBaK (talk) 14:03, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
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Oh, it's not your fault—the red error messages have only been introduced within the past month or so, since the citation templates switched to a Lua backend, so you didn't overlook anything. I should have poked around to find that option for the sic template rather than just stripping it out. Choess (talk) 23:34, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
St Paul's Cathedral, London, is a beautiful cathedral
Hello. I saw you reverted a change I made to St Paul's Cathedral. Your message was very kind, and I thought unusual for Wikipedia, though I doubt unusual for you.
Please have a look at the discussion some users and I are having on my talk page about commas. I'd be interested to know what you think. Inglok (talk) 19:19, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
Ooops. I may have to go and sit in the Stupid Corner for a while. Proper reply to follow, but for now I have reverted myself. Thanks and best wishes DBaK (talk) 08:06, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
Re: Vandal & revert
Re your message: No problem. Thanks for removing that useless message on my talk page. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 19:16, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for your comments on Lewis Clive; I have now responded on the Talk page. Is it in a state to be put forward for DYK do you think? Thanks. Nedrutland (talk) 09:00, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
On break
DBaK has had enough for the moment, and will probably be back sooner or later. Thank you and au revoir. DBaK (talk) 09:05, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
US/aesthetic/typographical punctuation vs "logical"
You're right that predominant US usage (or at least as far as the style guides would have you believe) is to put full stops and commas inside quote marks. Some editors here will tell you that "all educated people" in the US do this. I suspect that anyone that's written a computer program or even an HTML document or such like might have different impulses on that. Equally, some US editors seem to want to do it with semicolons too, so I'm not so convinced that actual US usage is anything like so uniform.
But in any case! In Wikipedia terms, this isn't actually an WP:ENGVAR issue, as there's a specific guideline to cover it, to wit WP:LQ. Hope that's of some assistance. 84.203.43.181 (talk) 17:26, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
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Thank you for not living your user name, but talking to articles, talking to users in a helpful way (Kathleen Ferrier), getting new users started, talking to self, - all with disillusioned (= good) sense, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!
A year ago, you were the 121st recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, repeated in br'erly style, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:11, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
ps: did you know that I heard a mass by Vittoria on Ascension day at Christ Church, Dublin and an Evensong for the day two days earlier in St. Patrick's Cathedral, Dublin, recorded for a broadcast, - remembering that a combination of the two choirs collaborated when "The trumpet shall sound" sounded first (and that I took the lead picture of that article, "Worthy is the lamb")? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:11, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
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I was unaware of the usage you point out for such rationale comments in artcles themself (not surprising; there's so much to learn). *sigh....*
Please feel free to correctly reapply your comment. A bot I'm rabidly following around spotted your signature as something to be reverted. Sorry for removing your comment as well; I absolutely didn't mean to do a rude edit. Wishing you all the best and sorry for causing you this inconvenience. Fylbecatulous talk 12:35, 13 May 2012 (UTC).
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Hello. You have a new message at Gareth Griffith-Jones's talk page. -- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 07:08, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
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