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September 2023

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December 2023

Information icon Hello. This is a message to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions, such as the edit(s) you made to On and On (Tyla song), did not appear to be constructive and have been reverted. Please take some time to familiarise yourself with our policies and guidelines. You can find information about these at our welcome page which also provides further information about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. If you only meant to make test edits, please use your sandbox for that. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you may leave a message on my talk page. The song was re-released by ColorsxStudios the following day as a single with that artwork. Please see this link from Apple Music. dxneo (talk) 13:44, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi d, as you said, The song was re-released by ColorsxStudios the following day as a single with that artwork, so I find this rollback to be wrong per se. You justified it by saying "Inadequate since this is the only cover", but an information for it not being the cover of the song, but of the re-release instead, should be provided. I'll list you how identical issues have been handled on other articles: 1, 2, 3, 4, please check the captions.DollysOnMyMind (talk) 17:22, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
Thank you, I'm on it. You may check it now. dxneo (talk) 17:25, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
D, would you like me to install an archive bot on your talk page to automatically move closed discussions? It's good to find another  South African on this site. dxneo (talk) 17:30, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
It would be really kind of you! Cheers to  South Africa DollysOnMyMind (talk) 17:32, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
It is done, I think it will be effective as of tomorrow, then it will thereafter archive "unreplied" discussion after 5 days. Archiving period can be changed (reduced or increased), you'll let me know, Thank you.
Seems like it is working just fine, enjoy. dxneo (talk) 22:01, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
Thank you so so much, for whatever help you might need from me I'll be very available and welcomed to help you. Cheers! DollysOnMyMind (talk) 13:11, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
Great, how about improving the South African side of Wikipedia like creating "Truth or Dare" by Tyla and maybe help improving this Draft:Shebeshxt, there are reliable sources on the talk page. dxneo (talk) 14:10, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
I'll create "Truth or Dare" today DollysOnMyMind (talk) 14:13, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

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December 2023

Information icon Hello. This is a message to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions, such as the edit(s) you made to Transparency (song), did not appear to be constructive and have been reverted. Please take some time to familiarise yourself with our policies and guidelines. You can find information about these at our welcome page which also provides further information about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. If you only meant to make test edits, please use your sandbox for that. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you may leave a message on my talk page. The song was released along with the entire album on the 17th of November, and that UMG source is primary therefore it is not necessarily needed. It may be re-released but it is still a song not a single. There's absolutely no record of it being released as a single and Usher Raymond is not a featured artist but a primary artist, lastly the {{Short description}} template is also not needed. dxneo (talk) 16:06, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi dxneo. You're wrong for putting this note of disruptive editing to my talk page. First and foremost UMG source is primary therefore it is not necessarily needed - wrong, you are questioning the song being released as a single, the Universal Music press release calling it such is very much a reliable source to prove that the song itself is released in such format (WP:PRIMARY refers to a different usage of such sources). There's absolutely no record of it being released as a single - wrong, the UMG source calls it a single plenty of times, and the song charted on Billboard's Airplay charts, clear proof of it being released as a radio single. Usher Raymond is not a featured artist but a primary artist - wrong UMG called him a featured artist on the song, despite of him being temporarily categorized as a lead on streaming platforms for commercial purposes, it is clear that the song is not his single: it's solely on someone eleses album, media outlets define him a "featuring" on the song, etc... Here you stated please provide sources from streaming platforms where it is released as a single, don't forget a link to the artwork while you're at it, as if those things are required for a song to be defined as a single. I'm going to list you some songs that have no "single streaming version" nor artworks, but are still singles due to radio release: "Way 2 Sexy", "Less than Zero (The Weeknd song)", "Talking to the Moon", "Girls Want Girls", "Young Wheezy", "Go Crazy (Chris Brown and Young Thug song)", "Count On Me (Bruno Mars song)", "Heat (Chris Brown song)", "After Last Night", and countless more. Please stop the disruptive reverts, thank you. DollysOnMyMind (talk) 16:46, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

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My fault. I didn't know that. Thank you for telling me DollysOnMyMind (talk) 21:44, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

January 2024

Warning icon Please stop. If you continue to violate Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy by adding commentary and your personal analysis into articles, as you did at X (Chris Brown album), you may be blocked from editing. Don't remove well-cited, relevant but negative text. Binksternet (talk) 07:27, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Binksternet I didn't remove it, I moved it to the "critical reception" part of the article. I think it fits better that section DollysOnMyMind (talk) 15:09, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
You violated NPOV when you removed "Sputnikmusic described this reasoning as 'numerological' and 'idiotic', and in any case the album missed the intended date." Binksternet (talk) 15:12, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
Are you referring to the exact quote? Because I did not remove the fact that Sputnik criticized the album's name, I moved it to its proper section DollysOnMyMind (talk) 15:14, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

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Hi Mr. EphemeralPerpetuals, Pop music is the furthest thing from an "unconventional musical style", so the wording needs to be changed DollysOnMyMind (talk) 15:58, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
Lorde is often referred to as avant-pop - a genre defined as "popular music that is experimental, new, and distinct from previous styles while retaining an immediate accessibility for the listener" - so therefore pop fits as the best label. EphemeralPerpetuals (they/them) (talk) 16:03, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
pop means "popular" and unconventional means "not based on or conforming to what is generally done or believed". She's doesn't make unconventional music, but (as you stated) unconventional pop music DollysOnMyMind (talk) 16:07, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
Sorry for the confusion - your edit there has cleared it up, and I would agree with you describing her music as being categorised by her "unconventional style of pop music". I've just misread the edit summaries and made a rash revert, and I apologise for that. EphemeralPerpetuals (they/them) (talk) 16:19, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
No problem DollysOnMyMind (talk) 16:23, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

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Binksternet Please, I invite you to read my previous answer. To reach a consensus we gotta have a conversation about the issue. I did not remove the fact that Sputnik criticized the album's name, I moved it to its proper section. DollysOnMyMind (talk) 16:47, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
You removed the quote. Don't do it again. Binksternet (talk) 16:53, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
Ok Binksternet, I will move the quote to its proper section DollysOnMyMind (talk) 17:00, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

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Huh?? We just talked about this issue on this talk page: You said "don't remove the quote", I didn't. DollysOnMyMind (talk) 17:46, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Persistent edits to Playboi Carti related pages.

Hi, please stop editing Playboi Carti pages to remove reference to him being a singer. It's very tiring having to go through all of the pages you've edited to revert them, and I don't know what you're trying to achieve here. EphemeralPerpetuals (they/them) (talk) 17:08, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Playboi Carti is functionally a rapper. I can't find reliable musical sources describing him as a singer. DollysOnMyMind (talk) 17:40, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
Describing him as a "rapper and singer" is because many of his songs feature autotuned singing - as do many other rappers, like the ones I referenced above. EphemeralPerpetuals (they/them) (talk) 19:12, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

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Bias

I think you really hate him, cuz you're not following wikipedia's rules, and nothing in that article sounds like a fan blog. You're not editing per WP:NPOV, cuz per those three reliable articles i sent you, he wasn't regarded one of the singer of the century, but he was regarded one of the greatest ever. But you enter "singer" that wasn't used in any of the article. Just take your fan war to somewhere else and stop disrupting Wikipedia, edit per contents written by reliable sources, that's wiki's rule and i'm abiding by that. But you seemed to be going the other way. Once again edit per facts, not by your opinion. Yotrages 4, February 2024 (UTC)

Stop acting like you own the article, if you distrupt the cited content in the article, I'm going to make sure I report you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard, for owning the article. that's all. Yotrages (talk) 11:49, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
Yotrages I wouldn't suggest you to do so, I'm pretty sure you would be smacked pretty hard with a WP: BOOMERANG. Take a closer look at the message (you deleted) by User: Vanderwaalforces in your talk page before feeling so entitled to your poorly sourced & horribly worded contributions. I'm not editing the article to my likening, I'm giving it a proper, neutral wording — unlike you. DollysOnMyMind (talk) 11:11, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
But did you realize that you just deleted almost every content in that section, including an honor bestowed to him by a U.S. Governor. Wow you really went far. I read the message by User: Vanderwaalforces and I deleted it then reply to him generously, what's your problem with that. we're talking about an article, not my talk page. Does The Guardian crediting him for inspiring artist look the same with Billboard praising him for exporting African music. Think about it, you're really not editing per WP:NPOV. Yotrages (talk) 14:59, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
Ok I'm done. You filled the section with altered quotes and fabricated content. You should be thankful that I haven't reported you yet. I will report you immediately DollysOnMyMind (talk) 14:01, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Comment on content

I suggest that you remove the statement you just added to Talk:Wizkid. When you comment on editors rather than content, it puts you equally in the wrong. Schazjmd (talk) 15:53, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Schazjmd - Thank for the suggestion, but I won't. I'm spending hours fixing articles vandalized by someone whose continuously attacking me while violating a large number of rules. Why didn't you leave this message to his talk page when he was personally attacking me in the first place? If his behavior showcases a user much invested in personally attacking me, but careless of fixing his blatant disruptive editing, to me it's worth pointing that out DollysOnMyMind (talk) 16:01, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
The other editor is digging his own hole. I presumed that you wouldn't want to do the same. By the way, you have a habit of returning to comments to add a ping/mention; that doesn't work. You have to ping/mention the editor at the same time that you sign your comment. You'll know when your mentions are successful because the system will send you a message. Schazjmd (talk) 16:29, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
@Schazjmd: thank you, I appreciate that DollysOnMyMind (talk) 16:33, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Meaww.Com

Don't you read the edit summary I already told the other editor it's unreliable but backed by CNN's News 18, and it's not like I created the section. Why are you following me around, just stop it you're annoying. Yotrages (talk) 18:44, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

@Yotrages: «It's unreliable but...» Just don't put unreliable stuff in there. It really is that easy. DollysOnMyMind (talk) 18:50, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
I didn't put it there, it was added by an editor I didn't know. but I reverted User:Any mail's edit cuz he removed contents that are reliably sourced instead of only Meaww.com. Yotrages (talk) 20:21, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Chris Brown

None of those you mentioned is a critics. Ebro Darden, Joe Budden, Justin Bieber, Nick Cannon and others. They're maybe artists, television personality, Comedian or whatever. Can you give five critics that supports your claim in the article? I will also be glad if you can remove unreliable outlets like Urban Island. Yotrages (talk) 20:18, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Ebro Darden and Joe Budden are critics. The statement refers to contemporaries - even for those who are not critics (Bieber etc.), their opinion , if massively reported like it is, is worth of mentioning. I can also say that the former Minnesota governator is not a critic but you added it on the WizKid page. DollysOnMyMind (talk) 23:25, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
You're very wrong, according to their Wikipedia pages occupation, Ebro Darden is Broadcaster, radio personality and disc jockey, while Joe Buddden is a media personality, rapper, songwriter and broadcaster. Using artists and God knows whatever to justify him being compared to Michael Jackson by everyone, without any real critics or outlets saying that is wrong. it's not following WP:NPOV. I didn't use Minnesota Governor as a critics, I entered the honor he gave to Wizkid, It's different. And please make sure to ping me next time. Thanks. Yotrages (talk) 17:15, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
according to their Wikipedia pages occupation, I'm not even going to read the rest of it because if you read Wikipedia's rules, you should know that's not a valid assertion. And by the way, Joe Budden is mentioned as a cultural critic on the lead of his page lol. Go away with this trolling DollysOnMyMind (talk) 17:37, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
So just because of that, you think that biased content of yours really belongs in that article. Wow you always amaze me. If you're doing this kind of things, don't bother warning other editors, cuz you aren't following the rules. Yotrages (talk) 20:07, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
Someone should move this discussion to the article talk page. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:41, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
@Firefangledfeathers: you're absolutely right, I would've done it before but it's really hard to handle things with this user. As I've documented in Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User: Yotrages he's adding lots of fabricated quotes to several articles, while also trolling while removing huge pieces of other articles. It's really hard to try to restore his harmful addition of fabricated content and discuss with a user that focuses so much on trolling.DollysOnMyMind (talk) 20:31, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

February 2024

I think you're the one who needs to read WP:NPOV, because Afrobeats isn't = African, and all African artist are not singing Afrobeats, there's Afrobeats, Afrobeat, Azonto. Wizkid's has many other genre from Reggae to R&B, and if you really think it looks like a fan blog you're on your own, cuz outlets use it like that and it's appropriate on Wikipedia once it's cited. example [1][2][3] Yotrages (talk) 2, February 2024 (UTC)

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I Think of You (Jeremih song)

I reverted your edits to I Think of You (Jeremih song) because the subject is not notable. You claimed that the song charted when the sources provided say no such thing, which means to specifically lied to us, perhaps because you were paid to edit the article. You are legally required to tell us about any conflict of interest. Chris Troutman (talk) 18:42, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

@Chris troutman: I wish I would be paid to edit on Wikipedia lol. That would be a great deal for me😂😂 All jokes aside, I'm really not. I invite you to take a second look at the Billboard sources; they prove the chartings. The New Zealand charting can't be verified because the “New Zealand Heatseekers” chart is no longer active. Please, check carefully the Billboard charts DollysOnMyMind (talk) 21:01, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
Look at those URLs yourself. The song isn't listed in any of them. When I search for the song, there is not a Billboard chart result. Chris Troutman (talk) 21:32, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
I will fix it, thank you for the information DollysOnMyMind (talk) 00:39, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

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whoops.

Actually, your edit was good, you removed something unnecessary, and so i unreverted it, cheers, :D begocc questions? 10:46, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Cheers🙌 DollysOnMyMind (talk) 11:23, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Adding unsourced genres

Hello DollysOnMyMind. As you are an editor who frequently reverts sockpuppets for adding unsourced genres, I'm surprised to see this from you. R&B isn't sourced in the article. I don't know if you're basing that edit on the fact that the song charted on Hip Hop/R&B charts, but that's never been an explicit indication of genre that is a high enough bar for the highly contested genre= parameter. Please don't make edits like this. I'm also surprised to see you adding on your own interpretations of sources, like here. That Rolling Stone source says nothing about "dancehall-pop", it says "tropical pop" which is not explicitly "dancehall-pop" per WP:EXPLICITGENRE. Same with the Iggy Azalea album articles. None of those sources say "pop-rap" explicitly. A couple said "hip hop tracks with pop appeal" and "hip pop", not "pop rap". WP:STICKTOSOURCE applies. Ss112 10:13, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Yes, you're right for correcting me. On the Iggy Azalea articles I did a lazy job trying to revert some sock puppet edits. I put pop rap instead of hip pop merely because of the latter being a redirect to the first. On the "Loyal" article, I approximated the genre, being influenced by what was there before my edits, same for the Kanye West page. I'm pretty sure that you can understand how while making numerous edits, I can get lost into some of them. I'll be more careful, thank you DollysOnMyMind (talk) 13:07, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Wizkid

When I get to a computer I will restore my edit and if you revert it, I will report you. You don't have anything better to do on here?  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 20:13, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

This answer is proof that my worries were well grounded. Report me for what? For checking you while you're violating WP: EXPLICITGENRE? When you get to a computer you will read me reporting you on Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents for commenting on my race on Talk: Wizkid DollysOnMyMind (talk) 22:34, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Removing Alternative R&B from Aaliyah's Wiki

Hello, you've removed Alternative R&B from Aaliyah's Wiki your reasoning behind its removal is flawed. You inaccurately mentioned that "Alternative r&b was born in the underground scene in Mid-2000s" and that is false. Alternative R&B has been around since the 1990's with artist like Erykah Badu, Maxwell and D'Angelo. The Alternative R&B genre received mainstream attention in the early 2010's with artist such as SZA, The Weeknd, Jhene Aiko ETC but this genre is not new.

Below I have provided you with links to various articles from the 1990's/early 2000's discussing Alternative R&B.

[4]https://books.google.com/books?id=Tw0EAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA5&dq=alternative+r%26b%C2%A0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjf4_jNrrOFAxWQIUQIHcAAAy4Q6AF6BAgJEAI#v=onepage&q=alternative%20r%26b%C2%A0&f=false

[5]https://books.google.com/books?id=9A8EAAAAMBAJ&pg=RA1-PA56&dq=alternative+r%26b%C2%A0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwidiYHwrrOFAxWOD0QIHX97A7s4ChDoAXoECAQQAg#v=onepage&q=alternative%20r%26b%C2%A0&f=false

[6]https://books.google.com/books?id=sQ4EAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA59&dq=alternative+r%26b%C2%A0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiDp7SGr7OFAxXVN0QIHa-1BFM4FBDoAXoECAYQAg#v=onepage&q=alternative%20r%26b%C2%A0&f=false

[7]https://books.google.com/books?id=0A4EAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA25&dq=alternative+r%26b%C2%A0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiDp7SGr7OFAxXVN0QIHa-1BFM4FBDoAXoECAUQAg#v=onepage&q=alternative%20r%26b%C2%A0&f=false

[8]https://books.google.com/books?id=ycMDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA62&dq=alternative+r%26b%C2%A0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjbiaqdr7OFAxWMIUQIHfqoBmk4HhDoAXoECAcQAg#v=onepage&q=alternative%20r%26b%C2%A0&f=false

[9]https://books.google.com/books?id=6QkEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA24&dq=alternative+r%26b%C2%A0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjbiaqdr7OFAxWMIUQIHfqoBmk4HhDoAXoECAYQAg#v=onepage&q=alternative%20r%26b%C2%A0&f=false

[10]https://books.google.com/books?id=IA8EAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA20&dq=alternative+r%26b%C2%A0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjA1oG1r7OFAxWiJUQIHX6fCpg4KBDoAXoECAQQAg#v=onepage&q=alternative%20r%26b%C2%A0&f=false

[11]https://books.google.com/books?id=aA4EAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA110&dq=alternative+r%26b%C2%A0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjX_LHKr7OFAxVGL0QIHROfCLo4UBDoAXoECAYQAg#v=onepage&q=alternative%20r%26b%C2%A0&f=false

[12]https://books.google.com/books?id=ag4EAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA28&dq=alternative+r%26b%C2%A0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwih097rr7OFAxXqiO4BHRB1DUE4WhDoAXoECAgQAg#v=onepage&q=alternative%20r%26b%C2%A0&f=false

[13]https://books.google.com/books?id=4wkEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA18&dq=alternative+r%26b%C2%A0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwih097rr7OFAxXqiO4BHRB1DUE4WhDoAXoECAMQAg#v=onepage&q=alternative%20r%26b%C2%A0&f=false

[14]https://books.google.com/books?id=-gkEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA20&dq=alternative+r%26b%C2%A0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwih097rr7OFAxXqiO4BHRB1DUE4WhDoAXoECAQQAg#v=onepage&q=alternative%20r%26b%C2%A0&f=false

[15]https://books.google.com/books?id=vQkEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA21&dq=alternative+r%26b%C2%A0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjYyY-JsLOFAxXMLUQIHXyRDJA4ZBDoAXoECAUQAg#v=onepage&q=alternative%20r%26b%C2%A0&f=false

[16]https://books.google.com/books?id=vwkEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA4&dq=alternative+r%26b%C2%A0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjYyY-JsLOFAxXMLUQIHXyRDJA4ZBDoAXoECAwQAg#v=onepage&q=alternative%20r%26b%C2%A0&f=false

[17]https://books.google.com/books?id=PA8EAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA27&dq=alternative+r%26b%C2%A0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiP1J6ZsLOFAxX9JkQIHZAxBTE4bhDoAXoECAQQAg#v=onepage&q=alternative%20r%26b%C2%A0&f=false

[18]https://www.google.com/books/edition/Aaliyah/rwlBoSSahkYC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=alternative+r%26b%C2%A0&pg=PA54&printsec=frontcover

[19]https://books.google.com/books?id=mQ8EAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA42#v=onepage&q=alternative%20R%26B&f=false OkIGetIt20 (talk) 20:07, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

@OkIGetIt20:, Hi. Thank you for being kind enough to list these articles. But are we sure they're mentioning alternative r&b in the same vein that the term later developed following the raise to mainstream brought by The Weeknd or Frank Ocean? The latter was credited for pioneering it with his first projects and they came several years following Aaliyah's depature DollysOnMyMind (talk) 22:53, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
another point I find very much questionable is how Alternative R&B has been around since the 1990's with artist like Erykah Badu, Maxwell and D'Angelo, but only received mainstream attention in the early 2010's. Erykah Badu, Maxwell and D'Angelo were (and still are) very much popular artists shaping the r&b mainstream scene in those years. If they were making that music it wouldn't have found mainstream attention in the early 2010's, but in the 90s DollysOnMyMind (talk) 22:57, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
During the 1990's and early 2000's Alternative R&B was popularized by artist such as Erykah Badu etc. During that time period alternative R&B and Neo-Soul were used interchangeably by labels and media publications. Towards the end of the 2000's decade its popularity decreased. The alternative R&B genre then re-gained popularity again in the 2010's when a new generation of artist such as The Weeknd , SZA and others emerged, but by then it was referred to as PBR&B as well as Alternative R&B. OkIGetIt20 (talk) 23:31, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
Also in regards to Aaliyah she has been credited by several publications/journalist for being a pioneer for Alternative R&B also known as PBR&B.
In 2002 Journalist Christopher John Farley wrote in his biography about Aaliyah the her music "could be called many things: alternative R&B, alternative soul, progressive soul, new soul".
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Aaliyah/rwlBoSSahkYC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=alternative+r%26b%C2%A0&pg=PA54&printsec=frontcover
In 2014 Journalist Dee Lockett credits Aaliyah second album (One In a Million) for helping "given rise to a new subgenre, loosely referred to as experimental R&B (or “PBR&B”)".
https://slate.com/culture/2014/05/aaliyah-the-10-best-songs-for-new-listeners-video.html
In 2017 Journalist Stasia Irons stated Aaliyah's self-titled album"became a catalyst and bridge that created a smooth transition from '90s style R&B into Modern PBR&B".
https://www.npr.org/2017/07/24/538357126/turning-the-tables-150-greatest-albums-made-by-women-page-8 OkIGetIt20 (talk) 23:43, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
All these sources give a great perspective to why she is Alternative R&B, it should be mentioned. Thank you! DollysOnMyMind (talk) 13:42, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
Alight! Thank you for this discussion. OkIGetIt20 (talk) 14:19, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

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