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I am Jarrod Baniqued. I know this welcome came a bit late. Let me explain myself anyway. I am trying to add details and correct errors for the benefit of humankind's knowledge. I am therefore dedicated to my own words. Thank you for reading my edits and for knowing that I'm here. - User talk:Jarrod_Baniqued 18:51, 09 November 2011 (PST) Jarrod Baniqued (talk) 02:51, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

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SLS launch cost

@Jarrod Baniqued: Hi, I would like to solicit your input on a debate around the launch cost of the SLS rocket.

Jadebenn made an edit here : https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Space_Launch_System&diff=929316586&oldid=929241314

And since no one challenged his edit at the time he now considers it a consensus and refuses to revert back to old (and most importantely real) figures.

He refuses to debate my argument therefore I solicit your input into this.

Thanks - Moamem (talk) 04:54, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

I’ve only seen snippets of the argument from the past four days or so. I’m not at liberty to say anything on the matter in sufficient depth. My only preliminary assessments are that while Jadebenn has made an excellent point that newer, more up-to-date sources should be sought to supplement older, more official sources, you have the upper hand regarding the procedures and principles of wiki etiquette. You win this one so far, but be sure to read the others’ advice. Jarrod Baniqued (talk) 05:13, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

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Hello, User:Jarrod Baniqued I just wanted to let you know that I removed the picture that you added to the gallery of Bob Behnken being offloaded as per WP:MOSIMAGES, since the picture along with the doug offload picture were both very low quality and did not add anything to the article that could not be explained in text. The Article is already quite image dense and those two pictures were quite dark and blurry. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Terasail^[Talk] 18:31, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

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No thanks. Jarrod Baniqued (talk) 09:45, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Glad to hear about the opportunity, but I don’t want to be too entangled I’m [sic: in] too many things. Jarrod Baniqued (talk) 09:45, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Okay, no problem. --Soumya-8974 ^talk _contribs ^subpages 10:03, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

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Thank you for notifying me. I will try to carry out this procedure in depth in the future. Have a good day. Jarrod Baniqued (talk) 18:22, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Short Descriptions

Hi. Since you are doing some good work with article short descriptions, you might want to read the guide here. Particularly about what it says about description length. Thanks. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 16:00, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Duly noted, thanks Jarrod Baniqued (talk) 16:01, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

August 2021

Yo im pretty sure u got the temp. butane burns at like 1000° too hot... should be like 2400°F not 3500°F??

Maybe i misunderstood, or misinterpreted. Hell idk.

         BUT

Have a lovely day tho, peace and love ✌🏼

Which article would that be? I’m weak on memorizing chemical properties, too, so be sure to cite a chemical society’s sources. I’ll gladly be open to correctionsz Jarrod Baniqued (talk) 19:45, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

• corrections. Jarrod Baniqued (talk) 19:46, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

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Hello, I'm Kerry Raymond. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Alley Family Graves, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at referencing for beginners. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Kerry (talk) 09:55, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

What if I was only editing the short description? As I recall, I only wrote a short summary of the article as a “cemetery in Australia”, which falls within standard precedent for description writing. Jarrod Baniqued (talk) 09:58, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Sorry

Sorry I was trying to revert the previous edit but on a mobile device I managed to click the wrong edit to revert. I have restored your short description. Kerry (talk) 10:06, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the restoration. Have a good day Jarrod Baniqued (talk) 10:09, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

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Hi! You've reverted my correction of a German title on the page of Pavel Florensky. Please note that in German we use k in Perspektive. Drkazmer ^{Just tell me...} 07:01, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

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"Pump" is more known for being the american term for the shoe... Maybe it came from northern england but it definitely is far more commonly used in the USA. It is also under no circumstances I can imagine mistaken for a galosh. A galosh is an entirely different shoe altogether.... No one but thr misguided would call a plimsole a galosh. A galosh and "rubbers" which are a name for a galosh are, as the name infers, a rubber shoe..not unlike a welly but without a long boot. Just a shoe welly. Plimsoles cannot be worn in the rain..neither can they be shined in any way. So the army could not have required people to shine canvas shoes except perhaps as a cruel and hopeless task to break their spirit. Which is I'm sure possible... There's a lot that could be added to the artical too. Like people for some reason never wore socks with them and they cut the ankles off you and made horrendous blisters. And that they were nothing like a barefoot, vulcanized rubber soled, modern shoe in that they created an almighty slap on the sole of ones feet every time one ran in them...akin to being slapped on the foot till it stings! 64.43.50.240 (talk) 13:36, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

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Don't add them to redirects. It stops it from being a redirect. e.g. [1]. Thanks and happy editing. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 08:58, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

I understand, but since I do most editing on mobile, there needs to be a disclaimer that shows which redirects are present on the "add short description" portal, or even a feature that locks the portal. I am drafting a request for features at the moment on the matter, and I'd like your support. Jarrod Baniqued (he/him) (talk) 09:06, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

If a wiki page suggested that you should add a short description to a redirect, then i'm all for fixing it. Feel free to ping me, if you need my support, when you've finished drafting the request. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 09:12, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

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Thank you, I will check it out Jarrod Baniqued (he/him) (talk) 07:15, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

"More citations needed"

Why did you add a more citations needed template to Cesar Vergara? There are no uncited statements. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 22:49, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

I misjudged, wrongly assuming it would be a stub. Sorry for the error. Jarrod Baniqued (he/him) (talk) 00:23, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Even if it was a stub, the appropriate action would be to add a stub template, not a more citations needed template. A one sentence article could still be sufficiently cited that a more citations needed template wouldn't be appropriate. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 21:45, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

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Amount of content added to Climate change policy of the United States

Hello, Jarrod. I just wanted to mention that your large addition to this article seems to go into much more detail than is appropriate for an encyclopedia article. I don't have the exact link, but there is a Wikipedia guideline that we should only include content that will be of interest to readers ten (or more) years into the future. At the very least, WP:NOTNEWS applies. Your post is too massive for me to even attempt to reduce (it added >20% to the article's byte length), but I hope that you will look through it to consider reducing its size in the context of the rest of the article. —RCraig09 (talk) 16:06, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

@RCraig09 I think that’s fair. It will take some time to determine what exactly should be trimmed out, I’m open to some suggestions. What I want to start with is the “clean jobs” portion, and then remove several unnecessary list items in the last paragraph of my addition. Jarrod Baniqued (he/him) (talk) 16:08, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

I think the key determinant is: What part of that content will readers really want to know in the overall context of US climate change policy — in 2034? I would have thought the description of the different laws would have been described, in that context, in ~five sentences each. Right now it reads like a thorough analytical essay. Transclusion(s) bloat the content further. —RCraig09 (talk) 16:16, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

@RCraig09 I see your point. Thanks for the guidance on description lengths, I think that's the most important part. I'll remove the transclusion, and then after that, I'll improvise from there. How does that sound? Jarrod Baniqued (he/him) (talk) 16:21, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

That sounds like a good start. Remember that, in general, the burden is on editors to justify including content, rather than skeptics etc having to justify its exclusion. That principle is usually applied to contentious material or unreliable sources, but I think it applies in general. —RCraig09 (talk) 16:30, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

How does it look now? Jarrod Baniqued (he/him) (talk) 17:24, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

The word length of the additions now passes the straight face test. I've made a quick first pass at reducing what is editorial commentary and violations of WP:NOTNEWS etc. Please look at the edits individually and see my edit comments. I still question whether the long lists of particular amounts would be of any interest ten years from now. It's notability that matters, so that readers have a "takeaway" after reading an encyclopedia that is not just a collection of facts and figures. —RCraig09 (talk) 20:52, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Overall the edits were well-done. I think the current version looks near perfect. Given the level of detail the Obama and Trump administration sections contain, though, I think it would be fine to leave in some backstory and the 51-50 vote. Jarrod Baniqued (he/him) (talk) 03:36, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Many, many Wikipedia articles have grown bloated over two decades. Streams of drive-by editors see news articles, and add their two cents worth here, before moving on. The result can be bloated and uncoordinated articles populated with random and disorganized facts, with too many cooks spoiling the broth. As a result, unfortunately, a substantial part of today's editing is removing what coordinated, holistic, circumspect editing would not have added in the first place. This burden is especially applicable in "hot" topics like climate change. . . . . Here, using other (Obama and Trump) sections of the article as models for newer (Biden) sections takes us in the wrong direction for readers in 2034, 2044, etc. I admire your enthusiasm, but you will save yourself time in the long run if you place a higher threshold on what content is notable enough to include in an encyclopedia. Another thought experiment: would you see this particular piece of content in the Encyclopedia Britannica? —RCraig09 (talk) 04:41, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

While I agree in principle with your views on WP:NOTNEWS, holism and higher standards of inclusion (and have even begun to elide some parts of the Obama sections), I respectfully disagree on practice.

There is a huge amount of nuance each president has within his own approach to policy, particularly with the current one. The importance of such additions is to be as accurate as possible in portraying such nuance, and thus complexity. My thinking as to how this affects notability is: Hewing to accuracy is better for the reader in 2034 and 2044. Climate policy is multifaceted and diverse, and Wikipedia's coverage should reflect that. In this regard, there is a limitation of Encyclopedia Britannica that is not inherent in the more flexible, potential-filled Wikipedia. Adding some regulatory and fiscal actions within reason (at editor’s discretion) help convey how much each president and Congress contributes to meaningful action and what areas of policy they prioritize. For that reason, I don’t call it bloat.

This is my final word on the matter; I would prefer to let other editors than us resolve this in the next ten years as we wait and see, until then, kindly get off my talk page. Good day. Jarrod Baniqued (he/him) (talk) 04:55, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

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