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2001 World Artistic Gymnastics Championships

Hi. Clearly our sources are conflicting each other. Assuming your source is correct, why does the article for Morgan Hamm show only a medal for 2003 team competition in his medal count, while the article for Paul Hamm shows a medal for 2001 team competition when you are saying he was not on the team? 75.46.0.225 (talk) 23:40, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Your source was a list of historical members of U.S. World teams. I'm not sure how that's a conflicting source with the official results list. Can you find a better source that the FIG wrote the wrong name? Kolindigo (talk) 23:49, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
Here is Paul Hamm's FIG profile. The bio says he lead the team to an unprecedented silver medal. His AA results appear in his results list. However, the team medal did not because they confused his name with Morgan's. http://exel.fig-gymnastics.com/events/athletes/bio.jsp?ID=1094 Also, take a look at the Logines' results. http://www.swisstiming.com/sports/gym/ag_wc2k1m/res-ind-qual.pdf There is no mention of Morgan. 75.46.0.225 (talk) 23:57, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
I suspect your source is incorrect. This following source also does not show any sign of Morgan being there. http://www.gymnasticsresults.com/w2001mqi.html 75.46.0.225 (talk) 23:49, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
I've done a news search and I believe you that it's Paul. I'm just looking for a free article to source it. I just don't want to use an unofficial site or a line in a bio for something like this. Kolindigo (talk) 23:59, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
OK, great. I'm glad we've agreed. 75.46.0.225 (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 00:02, 15 September 2008 (UTC).
Found a source. Reverting myself. Thanks for the heads up that FIG was in error. Kolindigo (talk) 00:09, 15 September 2008 (UTC)


Gymnastics Wikiproject

Your edits or discussions show that you may be interested in the new Gymnastics Wikiproject. Please join and help to start this new wikiproject. We need lots of members and lots of help. Wikiproject Gymnastics also contains the related sports of cheerleading, power tumbling, and trampolining. Maddie talk 19:28, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

By the way, you might want to archive your talk page, it loads pretty slowly.

Your idea sounds great, the box you've created is aesthetically pleasing. I can't say for sure if there are any errors, I can't see any ommissions but I'm not totally confident in my ability to notice stuff like that. I've got no objections, this is a great idea. Your knowledge of what is relevant to profiling gymnasts probably exceeds my own, my interest in gymnastics and competitions and professionals is very casual and I am ignorant of many of the interesting complexities of the sport. Thanks for being bold, it looks like you have contributed enthusiastically to this and other Wikipedia efforts, that's great. By the way, I know archiving can be easy to procrastinate if we are wanting to fix up some things prior to doing it, so to make it easier I was also bold and sort of cleaned it up a bit, like excess space and stuff. It should be easier to copy, requiring less scrolling and stuff. Tyciol (talk) 23:59, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Gymnastics Infobox

Hi Kolindigo, thank you for your note! The work you have done on the infobox is amazing...I very much like it, and absolutely think it should be added to the gymnastics articles here. I prefer the one without the height and music, just because those things can change, but honestly, it's awesome work all the way around. I'm going to start adding it to articles now. If there's anything I can help with, please drop me a note anytime. Best, DanielEng (talk) 00:02, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


Age controversies in gymnastics

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Gymnastics

The Original Barnstar
Awarded for making valuable edits and substantial improvements to gymnastics articles on Wiki. Well done!DanielEng (talk) 05:17, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Wow! Thank you so much! Kolindigo (talk) 21:51, 12 July 2008 (UTC)


Pamela O'Connor

Deleted, you can move the dab now. Kylu (talk) 20:40, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Laura Robson

I'm adding back the Aussie country tag in the infobox as she has competed as an Aussie as well as a Brit and, as a junior, she's not bound to either. I've left a discussion point on the LRTalk page. Regards, Bazj (talk) 18:51, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Dana Torres

I've had a go at providing wording for the Dara Torres article, but haven't had the time to work in into the rest of the text. Bluap (talk) 02:53, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for taking a look at it! Kolindigo (talk) 03:10, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Mao Asada

You commented : easily dated and completely unsourced, and you need to source that better than just linking to the results archive for the last ten years to say that she's never done something.

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Sorry, I don't really understand what you're meaning. I linked past results of her performance in the last couple of seasons which is best source, I think. What do you mean by 'source'? Do you want me to link 'EVERY' judges scores in order to confirm just what she never done? Or do you think that a certain person's careless comment in website or newspaper is more believable than ISU official site? Please make sure what is best source to confirm her jump composition and each scores.


<added later>

Will I refer these pages to confirm that her triple axel jump is never perfect (It's not her trademark! Are you joking?) and she never jumped triple salchow? Do you really like it? That's terrible. Please show me what to do.


--2007/2008 season

http://www.isufs.org/results/wc2008/WC08_Ladies_SP_Scores.pdf http://www.isufs.org/results/wc2008/WC08_Ladies_FS_Scores.pdf (miss)

http://www.isufs.org/results/fc2008/FC08_Ladies_SP_Scores.pdf http://www.isufs.org/results/fc2008/FC08_Ladies_FS_Scores.pdf (success +GOE)

http://www.isufs.org/results/gpf0708/gpf0708_Ladies_SP_Scores.pdf http://www.isufs.org/results/gpf0708/gpf0708_Ladies_FS_Scores.pdf (success -GOE)

http://www.isufs.org/results/gpfra07/gpfra07_Ladies_SP_Scores.pdf http://www.isufs.org/results/gpfra07/gpfra07_Ladies_FS_Scores.pdf (downgrade)

http://www.isufs.org/results/gpcan07/sc07_Ladies_SP_Scores.pdf http://www.isufs.org/results/gpcan07/sc07_Ladies_FS_Scores.pdf (miss, 2A)

--2006/2007 season

http://www.isufs.org/results/wc2007/wc07_Ladies_SP_scores.pdf http://www.isufs.org/results/wc2007/wc07_Ladies_FS_scores.pdf (success -GOE)

http://www.isufs.org/results/gpf0607/gpf0607_Ladies_SP_scores.pdf http://www.isufs.org/results/gpf0607/gpf0607_Ladies_FS_scores.pdf (downgrade)

http://www.isufs.org/results/gpusa06/sa06_Ladies_SP_scores.pdf http://www.isufs.org/results/gpusa06/sa06_Ladies_FS_scores.pdf (miss, 1A)

http://www.isufs.org/results/gpjpn06/gpjpn06_Ladies_SP_scores.pdf http://www.isufs.org/results/gpjpn06/gpjpn06_Ladies_FS_scores.pdf (success -GOE)

--2005/2006 season

http://www.isufs.org/results/wjc2006/wjc06_LadiesQualifyingGroupB_FS_scores.pdf (success -GOE) http://www.isufs.org/results/wjc2006/wjc06_Ladies_SP_scores.pdf (success -GOE) http://www.isufs.org/results/wjc2006/wjc06_Ladies_FS_scores.pdf (miss, 1A)

http://www.isufs.org/results/gpf0506/gpf0506_Ladies_SP_scores.pdf http://www.isufs.org/results/gpf0506/gpf0506_Ladies_FS_scores.pdf (success +GOE)

http://www.isufs.org/results/gpchn05/gpchn05_Ladies_SP_scores.pdf http://www.isufs.org/results/gpchn05/gpchn05_Ladies_FS_scores.pdf (miss, 2A)

http://www.isufs.org/results/gpfra05/gpfra05_Ladies_SP_scores.pdf http://www.isufs.org/results/gpfra05/gpfra05_Ladies_FS_scores.pdf (success -GOE)

-- 2004/2005 season

http://www.isufs.org/results/wjc2005/wjc05_LadiesQualifyingGroupA_FS_scores.pdf (miss, 2A) http://www.isufs.org/results/wjc2005/wjc05_Ladies_SP_scores.pdf http://www.isufs.org/results/wjc2005/wjc05_Ladies_FS_scores.pdf (success)

http://www.isufs.org/results/jgpf0405/jgpf0405_Ladies_SP_scores.pdf http://www.isufs.org/results/jgpf0405/jgpf0405_Ladies_FS_scores.pdf (success +GOE)

http://www.isufs.org/results/jgpusa2004/jgpusa04_Ladies_SP_scores.pdf http://www.isufs.org/results/jgpusa2004/jgpusa04_Ladies_FS_scores.pdf (miss, 2A)(jumped 2S)

http://www.isufs.org/results/jgpukr2004/jgpukr04_Ladies_SP_scores.pdf http://www.isufs.org/results/jgpukr2004/jgpukr04_Ladies_FS_scores.pdf (miss, 2A)

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re: Switch field names in template

Hi, just letting you know that I completed your bot request and it has now been archived. Take care, ~ AmeIiorate U T C @ 10:36, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Kolindigo (talk) 16:15, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Chinese name convention

Hello, please stop moving/redirecting pages containing Chinese names. e.g. Sui Jianshuang, not Sui Jian-Shuang. Because it's the Chinese name convention here. The 2nd and 3rd characters are combined as a given name. No need to use - in between. It doesn't matter what other websites say, but most Chinese names here follow this rule. If you want to edit in this way, you have tens of thousands of editions to do. Ramtears (talk) 12:11, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Hey. I moved that article, and other Chinese rhythmic gymnast articles, because that was the way the name was split up in the FIG biographies. It was one word in the page that the article was generated from, but that page also stated that the gymnasts were artistic gymnasts and not rhythmic gymnasts and since that site could not get even that basic information correct, I did not trust them on the spelling on the name. I hadn't realized that Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Chinese) covered hyphenation. I'll know from now on. Thanks for letting me know. Kolindigo (talk) 19:17, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Unit conversion templates for infobox

Kolindigo, I wasn't able to find a MOS on which unit conversion template to use. The only standards I know of are here. From that, with regard to skating and gymnastics articles, I basically get that metric units should come first (except for purely US-based topics), but that metric and imperial units should be provided.

When I standardized height for figure skaters, I wanted cm to be the main unit (as that is the unit of height used by the ISU), but then I wanted ft in to be the imperial unit (since that's the unit Americans most recognize with). I believe I used Template:Convert, so that I could have the units in centimeters instead of meters. I don't believe Template:Height allows for centimeters. I agree that Template:Convert is more general, but more confusing. I just looked it up the first time, then copied the syntax.

Skeetidot (talk) 21:26, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Ksenia Semenova Article

Hi,

I am unclear why you reversed my latest entry on Wikipedia. Wikipedia permits copying materials based on a GFDL license under their rules. The website is a source of valuable information on Ksenia, and the Signature Skill is a notable and relevant fact of Ksenia that is noteworthy on a biography page. The mere fact that it's a "fansite" shouldn't in and of itself constitute a link that is illegitimate and requires removal. The content on the "fansite" is licensed (photographers granted permission to use images. VisualRian images are used under a license. The new clips were licensed by Russia Today. The remaining clips are used under the fair use provisions of U.S. Copyright law.

No hard feelings, but please help me to understand why this website can't be added and the Signature Skill was removed.

Update = Saw your message. I'll take a closer look at your comments and confirm the accuracy of my post. Thanks for replying.

Coderoyal (talk) 21:51, 19 September 2008 (UTC)CodeRoyal.

Ksenia Semenova Article Update

Hi Kolindigo,

Again thanks for posting your note on my talk page about the reversal. I've reviewed the link on the External Link policy. I am however still unclear on the basis for the removal of the Ksenia Semenova Online website, since it's a website that is clearly related to her. I do know in general fansites are well-known for stealing copyrighted content. However, the content on Ksenia Semenova is licensed, and the limited performances fall under 15 U.S.C. 107 of the Fair Use provisions since the clips are limited to Ksenia's performances and are incorporated in a Transformative nature into a new product. News clips are either licensed or linked to externally making no infringement. The photo gallery contains absolutely no photos that aren't licensed to be used.

The External link policy doesn't explicitly state that "fansites" aren't linkable. However, it does strongly caution against linking to websites that don't use content legally by copyright infringement, and I know fansites are commonly responsible for this.

Anyhow, no hard feelings. I'll withhold on linking Ksenia Semenova Online back on the article for now, but I'm wondering if you can point out what content on the website causes it to violate the terms of being linked to on Wikipedia. Perhaps I'm overlooking something and need to make a correction on the website.

Thanks and have a great weekend!

Signed, Coderoyal (talk) 22:23, 19 September 2008 (UTC)Alan

Skaters qualified to Grand Prix Final

Please see my explanations in Talk:2008–2009 ISU Grand Prix of Figure Skating. An anonimous editor is repeatedly marking off qualified skaters. If that continues, I may ask for a mediator, or whatever you do in case of wars in wikinglish...--Nitsansh (talk) 21:55, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


Skating in Saskatchewan

Are you able to add information regarding skating in Saskatchewan to Sports in Saskatchewan as the 2009 Canadian Figure Skating Championships (awesome article which you created) will be held in Saskatoon? SriMesh | talk 19:02, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply!!!!SriMesh | talk 19:40, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Twist lifts

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1960 USA-flag

Hello, Thank you for checking and correcting all my figure skating add ons. It is really nice! In 1960 I would not have known the correct USA flag. However, I have to continue with 1962 and there must be another USA flag. Which one is it? I will probably add 1962 after Christmas. Happy holidays! Uwe Langer (talk) 06:06, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Figure Skating

Just wanted to leave you a note saying I liked your project redesign. :) Viriditas (talk) 05:10, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Patrick Chan

Hi Kolindigo, First of all, thanks for your contribution to Patrick Chan's profile. Recently, His profile was corrected as requested from his family, please don't roll it back. If you have any reason to do that, please let us know.

Thanks again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Feijiangnan (talk • contribs) 04:55, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Rachael Flatt

I link to sites if I've used them in editing a Wikipage i.e the Flatt Page. What's fair is fair. To promote one of my contributions as spam is ridiculous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DoYouBelieve1980 (talk • contribs) 18:04, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

S Bear Bergman

You're right, all the way across. To prove it, perhaps you want to add a line about Bear's being a vocal proponent of gender-neutral pronouns and cite either that chapter of BUTCH IS A NOUN, the Out Magazine Trans Issue in which ze talk about them, or both. That ought to stop at least that much of the nonsense. 76.236.65.249 (talk) 23:12, 3 February 2009 (UTC)someone else who knows.

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List of Olympic medalists in figure skating

Hello

My English is no good. Only I can understand but not speak. I translated with Google translate into my writing. I hope we can understand each other.

Türkçe vikipedi tr:Artistik Buz Pateni'nde Olimpiyat madalyası kazananların kazandığı yaşa göre listesi page, began to build. Here, List of Olympic medalists in figure skating # List of winners by age as I began to write. Is the day of competition in the Olympics is not certain (2006 ice dancing= 20 february, 1984=?) that I used for calculating the last day of the Olympics. I would not want to write it as. Second, these pages as I've done in a different page in Turkish can be divided? I hope you can help.--Erica92 (talk) 13:45, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Merhaba

İngilizcem hiç iyi değildir. Sadece anlayabiliyorum ancak konuşamıyorum. Sana Google translate ile çevrilmiş halini yazarım. Umarım birbirimizi anlayabiliriz.=)

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Thanks for your help on the FIBT links. Can you do the same things for the FIBT profiles and the recent FIL-Luge.org as well? That would be really appreciated. Chris (talk) 21:02, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes. They have been for both news and results. The athletes remain unchanged for the FIL items. Chris (talk) 21:52, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
That will work on the luge names. Check on the news articles also. They have the same bracket issues as does FIBT. Good job on this! Chris (talk) 22:33, 12 November 2009 (UTC)


What a Brilliant Idea Barnstar
For your work in creating three templates that allows the external links and references for the FIBT and the International Luge Federation to be readable now to the average reader, I award you this barnstar as a matter of thanks. Chris (talk) 15:42, 13 November 2009 (UTC)


I did think of a couple of things you could add both to the FIBT template and FIL-Luge news template. They are date= and date accessed=. The first is the date the article was issued online while the second is for the date retrieved online. It would this version of the cite web template. Your thoughts? Chris (talk) 20:52, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Perfect. Enjoy your barnstar! Chris (talk) 21:53, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

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Hey K, quick question: why did you revert my edits to Amanda Evora and 1999 United States Figure Skating Championships, in which I removed the links to the deleted article on Michael Adler? I wanted to make sure you were aware of the redlinks guideline, which states: "Articles should not have . . . red links to deleted articles." Can I go ahead an re-remove the links that are contrary to the guideline? UnitedStatesian (talk) 04:38, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

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Unnecessary revert of Midori Ito

I think your reverts of my page move from Midori Ito to Midori Itō were unnecessary. My move was explained in the summary AND on the talk page, which is allowed by Wikipedia:RM ("Discussions about retitling of an article (page move) can always be carried out at the article's talk page without adding an entry here."), but I will explain it more thorough here: Her family name is 伊藤 or in hiragana: いとう and that is transcribed according the Hepburn romanization system into Itou. In the revised Hepburn romanization system it's written as Itō, with a macron to point that it's a long vowel. Wikipedia uses the REVISED Hepburn romanization system, as can be read on Wikipedia:Japanese. There you will read that "Revised Hepburn romanization (described below) should be used in all cases, excepting the few unusual circumstances discussed below." Midori Itō is NOT one of the unusual circumstances, so according Wikipedia Guidelines should be written with the macron, thus as Itō. Unless there is something I missed... MarioR 23:34, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

My specific objection to the move was the fact that it was done incorrectly. A copy/paste move destroys the page history. As for the second part, I was thinking of the part of WP:MOS-JA#Article names that says Article titles should use macrons as specified for body text except in cases where the macronless spelling is in common usage in English-speaking countries and WP:MOS-JA#Names of modern figures where it says 1. Use the official trade name if available in English/Latin alphabet; 2. Use the form found in a dictionary entry from a generally accepted English dictionary; 3. Use the form publicly used on behalf of the person in the English-speaking world;... 5. If none of the above is available, use the macronned form. "Midori Ito" is certainly the common name in English and I have never seen the macronned form used. But as for all of that, the point remains that your move was done incorrectly, which is why I reverted it. Kolindigo (talk) 05:20, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Looking at the points you mentioned, especially point 3 (Use the form publicly used...), I suppose you are right. Haven't read the whole Wikipedia:Japanese page yet, so definitely my bad... I don't understand why nobody noticed this before, because I have done it with more articles. I will revert those back myself... Thanks for pointing it out to me! MarioR 13:16, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

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You moved Martha Brown just as I was about to, and now I can't move it without using the tools. Could you move it to Elizabeth Martha Brown, please, as I've just realized that's her legal name. SlimVirgin TALK contribs 01:01, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Also, we don't create dab pages when there are only two names. The more prominent takes the name. Can you say why you made that move? SlimVirgin TALK contribs 01:02, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
Not sure what you mean. I did link to the skater. I linked to the hanged woman on the skater's page, and to the skater on the hanged woman's page, which is what we do when there are only two. The skater is one sentence and not sourced, so clearly the other one -- several paragraphs, sourced, and growing -- appears more notable as things stand. You also didn't fix the dab on the skater's page. Can't quite understand why you involved yourself like this. SlimVirgin TALK contribs 01:19, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
Could you leave things as they are, for the time being? I'm currently trying to find out whether Martha Brown was more commonly known as Elizabeth or not. Once I've found out what most of the sources are saying, I can decide whether she ought to be at Elizabeth or Martha. SlimVirgin TALK contribs 01:38, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

TBD

is To Be Determined, there may be a better way to present that. -- Banjeboi 02:05, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

In that case, it's probably superfluous, and also something you'd have to go back and remove if the athlete withdraws, which could be tiresome, but hey, if the people adding it are also volunteering to remove it... ;)
But if it's added, it should be added to the legend, too. (As a nitpicker, I don't like that "determined" part of "to be determined", as if it's something determined by an external third party, rather than being judged on the programs.) Kolindigo (talk) 02:29, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
I think it could be removed under the two concepts of dating content inappropriately - "he just completed a tour" and not-a-crystal-ball - "will be announcing ______". -- Banjeboi 19:54, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

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A couple of comments regarding your recent edits[1][2]. In both of theses you reverted edits of IP 84.88.226.250 with edit summaries "rvv, please see your talk page". The abbreviation "rvv" stands for "reverting vandalism". What the IP did here certainly was not vandalism, so labeling the reverts as "rvv" was not appropriate. I personally do not particularly care about the issue of tables (whether to use one big table or several smaller ones), and to the extent that I do have an opinion, I probably agree with yours that having several smaller tables makes it easier to edit. But the disagreement between you and IP 84.88.226.250 about which table appearance to use is a legitimate editorial disagreement, with no vandalism on either side. Another point is that in a case like this it is better to leave a comment explaining the revert at the talk page of the article in question rather than at the talk page of the user (or leave such a comment in both places). Regards, Nsk92 (talk) 01:19, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

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I watched book in bookstore, there are all estonian champions 1917-2010. http://pood.rahvaraamat.ee/raamatud/iluuisutamine_eestis/110513 Rim555 (talk) 19:44, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

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It's a bizarre day when NBC is not reliable enough for wikipedia. I think the sadder aspect is that if I hadn't referenced it at all—or if there were a Youtube video of the event—this information would still be around (and accurate). I was trying to take some dismal POV and back it up with something done by a news organization. I've reinstated most of what you took out with a new reference, this time to the Canadian equivalent of my previous reference. Perhaps you find Canadians more trustworthy than Americans. :) Andrew (talk) 02:56, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Oh man. Scott Hamilton is the main reason I don't watch figure skating much. No wonder you were so skeptical. Andrew (talk) 05:41, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

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Hello. I think Frank Carroll (Francis M. Carroll?) was born in March 1939 but I'm not 100% sure. He's 71 in February 2010 which as you edited in, means he's either 71 or 72 in 2010, meaning born in 1939 or 1938. Looking up on one of the databases, it shows Francis M. Carroll, born in March 1939, and living in Palm Springs, California where Frank Carroll, the skating coach, has a home. But one can't quote that database. I can't find easily any other mention elsewhere. But I'm still checking. He is a 1960 alumnus of College of the Holy Cross, verifiably so, which I added to the article with a footnote to the NYT article stating so (also see List of College of the Holy Cross alumni). Bests. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc (talk) 23:11, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

That's excellent! Great find! ([3]) Clearly, Frank Carroll = "Francis M. Carroll" in the 1960 College of the Holy Cross yearbook. According to the database I used, "Francis M. Carroll" born March 1939 lives in Palm Springs. Now Frank Carroll has a place there. The chances are very high that's it's the same person. But I can't prove it. Hint: Zabasearch.com. You should add the hc1960.org citation to the article. I really think it's 1939. Maybe even March 1939. Many thanks. Let's try to nail this down, elusive as it seems. Your google is better than mine, apparently. ;) -- Bob Wikiklrsc (talk) 00:09, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
Excellent! Thanks for your kind help! I continue to look too. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc (talk) 20:12, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

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Are cited and quoted content not valid enough for you? Or must I find something from a more valid source, like facebook, for you internet experts. Maybe you attack any page relentlessly when you don't know who they are. Or maybe you just delete things you don't know for fun. And what is it you have against chinese figure skating coaches? (and their birthdays?..) Take your hate elsewhere please. You'd think, too, that as a member of the lgbt community, you'd have learned to be more accepting of others and the unknown. before you go on your deleting rant, why don't you go do some research and stop being ignorant of other cultures and their viewpoints. Don't know where to do research? Find yourself a translator and google her name.

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Hi, I noticed that you were one of several editors who reverted the addition of the Brian Williams info in this article. If you get a chance, can you take a look at this article again, because no matter how many times he is told its a play on words, he keeps re-adding the info. He even left an edit summary with his latest revert claiming "that is why I noted this as a play on words, especially in the Canadian media". Where he noted this is a mystery because no matter how many times I read the section, I can't find it. Even if he did note it as a play on words, I don't see how that would all of a sudden make it appropiate for inclusion. The headline in question is supposed to be funny, not encyclopedic. I'm debating if I should even bother with the article anymore, because a quick read of the editors talk page shows he has made a habit out of getting into edit wars, and he's not one to back down. Cmr08 (talk) 23:22, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

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Welcome back, Kolindigo -- I hope you were happily "busy in real life." Sorry to greet you with a weird problem.

There's a real pickle concerning Eugene Turner. About half of his obituary as it recently appeared in PS Journal (the trade publication of the Professional Skaters Association) is copied verbatim from a version of WP Eugene Turner from just before his death on January 14th.

The latter half of the PS Journal obituary is composed mostly of copies (similarly verbatim) of whole paragraphs from Virginia Vale's History of the Los Angeles Figure Skating Club, which is linked from the bio. I noticed you deleted Coachrussell's wholesale addition (which was at least attributed to LAFSC, if sloppily) of biography-relevant parts of that essay of Vale's.[4] Thank you.

I'm grateful for your vigilance. Eugene Turner was my father, and I want him to have a proper Wikipedia biography, with due weight and proper use of sources. Virginia Vale's warm appreciation of him has its place: in the external links. Maybe a brief quote or two, or substantiation of details by citing her essay with footnotes, would have been OK. But wholesale copying, with bad quoting style, in support of nearly hagiographic treatment? Wrong, wrong, wrong.

The issue raised by PS Journal's use of this same material (which doesn't credit Virginia Vale or Wikipedia) is that readers of that journal, upon reading the obituary, might search the web on "Eugene Turner", click on the first link (my father's WP bio, at least in the case of Google), and think: "Wait a minute, Wikipedia is plagiarizing from PS Journal -- this is an outrage!" They might even, in the heat of the moment, read the LAFSC essay by Vale less carefully than they should, and assume that that LAFSC plagiarizes from their magazine.

I don't know what to do about this. Dad died not so long ago, and this whole thing stirs up bad feelings for me at a time when I want to get past his death. In the immediate wake of his death, I limited myself to adding his date of death to the article. Now, I'm in the middle of the process of trying to sort out this plagiarism issue with the PSA, with LAFSC, and with my family, but it's going slowly.

What to do? For now, it's possible to rewrite the article to make the text different enough that it doesn't look like plagiarism of the PS Journal obit; it's not "tampering with evidence" because I've already sent the PS Journal and LAFSC a link to the archive version of the article that substantiates the verbatim-copy nature of the plagiarism committed at that time.

My first thought was to simply post something over the article explaining that the PS Journal copies the article (and Vale's essay), not the other way around. But I just don't full understand the ethics of such situations, or what Wikipedia policies might apply. And I can't exactly consider myself an unbiased judge of issues in this case. You're obviously a much more experienced Wikipedia editor than I am, and with less of an emotional stake in the issue. Can you help? Or can you refer me to someone who can help, or to some appropriate WP process? I'd greatly appreciate it, if you could. Thanks again for your work on this article, in any case, and for your excellent work on other skating-related articles. Yakushima (talk) 05:44, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

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