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Happy editing! DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:03, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Biometrics Institute (February 12)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by DoubleGrazing were: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:48, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Marcosays! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:48, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Biometrics Institute

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A tag has been placed on Draft:Biometrics Institute requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be an unambiguous copyright infringement. This page appears to be a direct copy from https://www.biometricsinstitute.org/2023-state-of-biometrics-report-highlights-key-trends-to-watch-now/. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images taken from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. You may use external websites or other printed material as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing.

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February 2024

Hello Marcosays. The nature of your edits, such as the one you made to Draft:Biometrics Institute, gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being compensated by a person, group, company or organization to use Wikipedia to promote their interests. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially serious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to black-hat search-engine optimization.

Paid advocates are strongly discouraged from direct article editing, and should instead propose changes on the talk page of the article in question if an article exists. If the article does not exist, paid advocates are strongly discouraged from attempting to write an article at all. At best, any proposed article creation should be submitted through the articles for creation process, rather than directly.

Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, broadly construed, you are required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:Marcosays. The template {{Paid}} can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form: {{paid|user=Marcosays|employer=InsertName|client=InsertName}}. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, do not edit further until you answer this message. DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:03, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi DoubleGrazing,

Apologies if I have made some rookie errors in setting up a new draft for the Biometrics Institute after this was requested on Friday by our CEO, Isabelle.

I will not make any further edits to the page as requested and need to read more how to use the paid template because I assume I fall under the category of being compensated as an employee in response to "being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits".

Please do not delete the draft - I realise it needs more editing and a logo should also be added which I will only do once I have resolved the approval process with yourself and am able to also show the draft to our CEO.

To ensure I don't make the same error, could you let me know exactly which template code to use and how to do that.

Thanks

Marco 92.21.210.192 (talk) 11:22, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi,

Firstly, please remember to log into your account whenever you edit.

Secondly, yes, you certainly do come under our paid-editing rules, and must therefore make the necessary disclosure as advised above. This doesn't prevent you from editing content related to your employer, but it does mean that a) you are not allowed to publish the article yourself, you must put it through an AfC review (as indeed you were doing already), and b) once the article is published (assuming), you cannot make substantive edits to it yourself, but must work through edit requests via the article talk page. (Please note that the disclosure must be made for each subject in which you have a conflict of interest.)

Thirdly, the draft you submitted has been deleted already. We have no choice in this, as we cannot knowingly allow copyright violations. You can find more information on this topic at WP:CV.

Finally, you may want to show your CEO this, just to help manage expectations etc.: WP:BOSS.

Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:53, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi,

Thanks for the feedback.

Would it be best to have our CEO create the article for "Biometrics Institute", as she has her own Wikipedia account and oversight of all copyrighted material.

"If you are creating a new page with different content, please continue. If you are recreating a page similar to the previously deleted page, or are unsure, please first contact the users) who performed the action(s) listed below."

Therefore – if I complete the paid contributor, and copyright form on behalf of the Biometrics Institute, and create a new "Biometrics Institute" page in my sandbox for review, will that be sufficient for approval to publish?

And can I submit for review to make further edits if necessary without the page being removed.

Thanks M Marcosays (talk) 09:39, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

I don't think it makes any difference whether you or your CEO edits; either way, you will both need to make your paid-editing disclosure, and will both be under the same restrictions in what comes to editing or publishing directly. And even after you have disclosed your interest, you are not allowed to write about the institute in a promotional manner. (Note that 'promotional' doesn't only mean advertising, it is a much wider concept – see WP:YESPROMO.)

Essentially the same goes for the copyright issue: material under copyright cannot be used until and unless it has been formally released, no matter who tries to use it (you or your CEO, that is). You also need to be aware that by making content available for use on Wikipedia you are automatically making it available for anyone to use in any way they wish, as Wikipedia content is all released under a Creative Commons licence. In my opinion (and it is only that, not any sort of 'official' Wikipedia advice) it would be far easier and better for you to rewrite the content in your own words for inclusion in Wikipedia, than to worry about releasing your existing copyrighted content.

...except that – and now I'm going to contradict what I just said! – we don't actually want to hear what you or anyone else representing the institute wish to say about it (in your own words or otherwise); we mainly want to hear what third parties, unconnected with the institute, have said of their own volition. This is the basis of notability, which is a fundamental requirement for inclusion in Wikipedia: we need to see significant coverage, directly of the subject, in multiple secondary sources that are reliable and entirely independent of the subject. Your job is to summarise (in your own words, and without putting any 'spin' or embellishment on it) such coverage, citing the sources as you go. You are then allowed to supplement this information with purely factual details (such as location, senior management, date of founding, etc.) from primary sources, but the bulk of the article must come from the secondary sources mentioned earlier.

If you believe that you can, having made the necessary disclosure, write in such a manner, then and only then you may be able to get an article accepted.

HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:21, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia and copyright

Hello Marcosays! Your additions to Draft:Biometrics Institute have been removed in whole or in part, as they appear to have added copyrighted content without evidence that the source material is in the public domain or has been released by its owner or legal agent under a suitably free and compatible copyright license. (To request such a release, see Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission.) While we appreciate your contributions to Wikipedia, there are certain things you must keep in mind about using information from sources to avoid copyright and plagiarism issues.

• You can only copy/translate a small amount of a source, and you must mark what you take as a direct quotation with double quotation marks (") and cite the source using an inline citation. You can read about this at Wikipedia:Non-free content in the sections on "text". See also Help:Referencing for beginners, for how to cite sources here.
• Aside from limited quotation, you must put all information in your own words and structure, in proper paraphrase. Following the source's words too closely can create copyright problems, so it is not permitted here; see Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing. Even when using your own words, you are still, however, asked to cite your sources to verify the information and to demonstrate that the content is not original research.
• We have strict guidelines on the usage of copyrighted images. Fair use images must meet all ten of the non-free content criteria in order to be used in articles, or they will be deleted. To be used on Wikipedia, all other images must be made available under a free and open copyright license that allows commercial and derivative reuse.
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It's very important that contributors understand and follow these practices, as policy requires that people who persistently do not must be blocked from editing. If you have any questions about this, please ask them here on this page, or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you. Whpq (talk) 12:24, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi again,

Thank you for the advice previously shared. I believe I have now added a paid user disclosure to my marcosays page, and before I do anything more, is that correct?

I also have rewritten the page content so it is more in keeping with the requirements (as far as I understand), so that an initial page for the Biometrics institute can be published, which member organisations of the Institute can then also contribute to, and with my 'paid disclosure' I could also edit and add reference material and citations incrementally.

I could share the draft text here to avoid further issues if that would be alright.

Many thanks,

Marco Marcosays (talk) 10:23, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

I have fixed your disclosure notice. The "nowiki" tags shouldn't have been there. As for sharing a draft, it's best that you actually create the draft again. Posting it to your talk page would not be appropriate. You can edit the draft to get into shape for a submission to Article for creation. If it is accepted, best practice for editors with a conflict of interest is that they make edit requests rather than edit articles directly. Whpq (talk) 20:57, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Firstly, apologies for only responding now because I had not seen the notification until today and your guidance is much appreciated. Secondly, thank you for correcting my disclosure notice. I was wondering why it didn't quite display like others I had looked at.

I think I will attempt the edit request using the paid contributor "Edit Request Wizard". And hopefully that will be alright.

Thanks

Marco Marcosays (talk) 16:07, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Biometrics Institute

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A tag has been placed on Draft:Biometrics Institute, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations for more information.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator. 2603:6080:7202:74B0:1C7D:E6B3:80E9:2E51 (talk) 17:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello,

After my second attempt to publish was removed, I have rewritten the content, and now have included additional references and links to both Wiki pages and some external websites (not just the Institute).

Is ether a way I can create a new draft for the page, without publishing it, so it can be reviewed without having to publish. To avoid further issues?

Thanks

Marco Marcosays (talk) 11:50, 28 June 2024 (UTC)