User talk:Mel Etitis/Archive 53

Useful links[edit]

Pages I often cite[edit]

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Betacommand[edit]

This arbitration case has closed and the final decision is available at the link above. Betacommand's administrative privileges are revoked. He may reapply at any time via the usual means or by appeal to the Arbitration Committee. This notice is given by a Clerk on behalf of the Arbitration Committee. Newyorkbrad 23:37, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Judy Ann Santos - a fanzine?[edit]

Hi again. I'm sorry if you found my format and information to be "unencyclopedic." The plain "encylopedic" format seems to be so limiting on content and substance. Aside from enlisting TV and movie works, "Judy Ann Santos" doesn't tell much about Judy Ann Santos. In contrast, the IMDB Web Site contains really useful information on American actors. I just wish I could do the same for Philippine articles. If only some editors (especially non-Filipinos who hardly know anything about Philippine stuff) will allow some creative license to my edits.

Brittanica, Colliers, and New World can fully describe actors than just enlisting their works or stating their occupation and birth (like a dictionary). Why can Wikipedia do the same?

How terribly frustrating...

203.215.121.112 07:19, 4 May 2007 (UTC)Miketedting[reply]

Deal TV[edit]

Hey,

The article is wrong. Portland does not own Deal TV. Deal is an American company whose broadcast license is maintained by Portland. The channel is broadcast from the US.

I know this because I work for Portland.

Sorry for deleting, but please don't change the article back. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.134.182.14 (talk) 12:15, 4 May 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Am I missing something or are people just being weird?[edit]

Hi Mel, was wondering if you could give advice and/or keep an eye on a situation. I keep a bunch of Billboard chart-related articles on my watchlist... I've many times removed inaccurate/unsourced information from number-ones lists, etc. so a few weeks ago I began adding external references to Hot 100 number-one hits of 2007 (USA) each week to prevent wrong info being added.... only to have several editors hellbent on removing them over and over. So.... am I being too critical here? Is there a Wikipedia guideline that says "lists don't need sources" or something? I've seen lots of vandalism but removing sources from articles seems very odd to me. Should I stop adding the citations and let them go or continue to regard their removal as vandalism? - eo 16:20, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the above page.... THANKYOUTHANKYOUTHANKYOU for the semi-protect, I really appreciate that. Just wanted to let you know I removed your edit which put all the quotation marks - only to retain the uniformity of all of the other number-ones lists (I know that song titles are quoted otherwise). Again, thanks for paying attention. - eo 21:49, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, to bring all the others in line (regarding the quotes)... well... errr... there are a lot. U.S. number-ones lists go from 1940-2007. Then there are ones for U.S. R&B number-ones, U.S. dance number-ones, U.S. Modern Rock number-ones. Also album number-ones which would have to be italicised. There are also lists for UK, Ireland, Australia (I believe) and god only knows what other countries. It's gonna be a project, for sure. - eo 22:04, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ha, I see you've started at 1940 and are working forward. You're going very quickly, are you using a program or bot or something? - eo 22:08, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Whew, thank goodness for CTRL+V! Watch out for double-sided hits! - eo 22:36, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Don't even worry about it. I'm having a slow day at work today so it was perfect for passing the time. - eo 19:01, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Email[edit]

Hi Mel. I've just sent you an email. Cheers. -- FayssalF - ^{Wiki me up®} 18:25, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Inclusive classroom[edit]

I am so confused. Why did you revert my edit? Those quotes were very valuable. If one of them had a reference, why can't we add that one? (Jessica - talk)

Nice try...[edit]

...but thanks for the suggestion. Happy editing! Rockstar (^T/_C) 23:04, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hope you're happy now. Cheers and have a great day! Rockstar (^T/_C) 23:23, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

User talk:MrLeap[edit]

MrLeap has removed several references and sources from the article List of characters in Ed, Edd n Eddy. This came after you issued the final warning about disruption. Pants^(T) 04:05, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I Lost On Jeopardy deletion[edit]

Which deleted page did I Lost On Jeopardy! redirect to? I can't find any reference to it at AfD. Andy Saunders 14:12, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm afraid that I must disagree with your decision. A cached version of the article on Google shows that the article does claim notability, as its sidebar claims that it peaked at #81 on the US charts. What is the process for going about undeleting this article? Andy Saunders 14:52, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't matter. An assertion of notability is still an assertion of notability, which means the article is categorically NOT speediable. Please restore the article immediately, such that a proper discussion on its merits can take place at AfD by all Wikipedians, just not one administrator.. Andy Saunders 03:23, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

After taking a step back for a few days, I still do not feel that this issue has been sufficiently resolved. Would it be possible to bring in an independent third party to mediate this? Andy Saunders 15:48, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What's the status with this, Mel? Robert K S 01:31, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I thought you took care of this, too. This should probably be undeleted. --badlydrawnjeff talk 01:36, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion of I Lost On Jeopardy[edit]

Hello--I can't seem to find an AfD for I Lost On Jeopardy. You appear to be the one who deleted the article. Can you assist me in locating the discussion about its deletion? Robert K S 14:26, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

User:Jessica Liao[edit]

Hi there! I wonder if the current contributor, 69.117.20.128, on Inclusive classroom is the same Jessica that nominated it for deletion a little while back? Your thoughts?--Xnuala (talk) 14:37, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Given the similarities between Special:contributions/69.117.20.128 and Special:contributions/RainingmySoul who is a confirmed sockpuppet, we might not even need checkuser. The signature of Jessica is another link.--Xnuala (talk) 16:07, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I just stumbled over here and wanted to tell you that she Jessica also uses the IP '209.177.21.6', although that is much less frequent than the 69. IP. There are many instances that show this (also in the checkuser report I made), but the easiest to see is on my talk page User_talk:MrMacMan#Hi_Jeremiah.21 where she says directly that she uses those IPs. MrMacMan^Talk 21:59, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Album/Song articles[edit]

Hi! Could you not speedy album and song articles? They specifically are not part of the CSD A7 criteria for a reason, and they should be prodded or AfD'd. Thanks. --badlydrawnjeff talk 14:35, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Humourdesk[edit]

Thanks for your block! See you round! Whiskey in the Jar 16:05, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think it might be a sock from this morning, but I aint sure at all. I remember a while back someone thretened to build an army of socks. Leaving them for four days gets past s protection and also allows a big backlog of users that can be repeatedly thrown into action, so it might be that, but I see no reason for his/her actions against Character of Love, I checked the history and there were no contested edits, no warnings or anything, i guess it was just a random "killing" spree! Whiskey in the Jar 16:08, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Accidental Revert[edit]

Sorry for the accidental revert on the VOAs talkpage. GDonato (talk) 16:05, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bart Versieck[edit]

Hello, please see User talk:Bart Versieck. This user continues to edit othes users comments on talk pages. We may need your intervention here again. Thank you for your assistance. Postoak 18:03, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

amerie[edit]

you have ignored a number of cited articles which have set out that she is 29. And you have accussed me falsely of being a vandal. --Arran 21:40, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your reply ignores and/or implicitly accepts the points made above. This amongst other conduct is really not appropriate.--Arran 13:19, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have a question about the present tense vs. future tense in the "Because I Love It" article. Why 'will be' and not 'is'? I have a physical copy of the album right next to my keyboard so I wonder, LOL... Aleppo1979 16:57, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pussycat Dolls move.[edit]

Mel Etitis, I need your help with something. A user has moved “Pussycat Dolls” to “The Pussycat Dolls (music group)”. Not only that, but another user copied all text from “The Pussycat Dolls (music group)” to a page called “The Pussycat Dolls”, and turned “The Pussycat Dolls (music group)” into a re-direct (and I reverted the re-direct, as that page is the proper version). The page called “The Pussycat Dolls” does not have the history, while “The Pussycat Dolls (music group)” is the proper version, and has the history. Anyway, I need you to delete “Pussycat Dolls”, as that’s now a re-direct, and move “The Pussycat Dolls (music group)” back to the name of Pussycat Dolls. As I said, the page called “The Pussycat Dolls (music group) is the proper page, as it has all the history. Can you please do this? I would, but since I’m not an administrator, I can’t delete pages. Thanks. The users who did this didn’t even bother to post on the talk page first to ask about their changes: they just moved the page, turned the proper version into a redirect, and created a version that has no history. Acalamari 03:33, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Songs[edit]

The procedure (or lack thereof) is very simple: (1) change {{historical}} to {{proposed}}; (2) explain on the talk page why the page is a good idea; and (3) advertise on such places as WP:VPR, WP:RFC and/or WP:CENT to get feedback. >Radiant< 08:07, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re: The Call of the Marching Bell[edit]

I'm afraid that I've had to revert your edit. Frst, your change from Bang-i-dara" "Bang-e-Dara" wasn't properly explained. The sources use a variety of transliterations; for example, the on-line translation uses "BĀNG-E-DARĀ" on the title page and "Bāng-i-Darā" in the text. Is there good reason to choose one over the other?

Secondly, you seriously over-linked the article. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style (links)#Overlinking and underlinking: what's the best ratio?:

"An article may be considered overlinked if any of the following is true: "Low added-value items are linked without reason — such as, 1995, 1980s, and 20th century"

I've replaced some of the goods links that you added, and I've rewritten part of the article so that the problem of transliteration choice is dealt with. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 10:32, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, while I appreciate your concern for maintianing the quality of the article, I consider your reverts rather abrupt. Except for the linking of years, you do not clearly justify why you reverted other edits:

E.g. wikilinks to rationality, pragmatism, materialism, spirituality, and patriotism). Although you later re-linked England and Europe and repaired "articles"!
The reason for putting transliterations in Italics is to keep the reader aware of foreign language texts, which is a common practice
In your edit summary, you blame me for unsourced changes. It is evident that I did not add any new texts for which I had to provide any "source" but if you insist on keeping any part of text, you should provide the relevant citation
In your edit, you have linked the word Muslim with Islam which are two different articles.
The use of i and e is problematic of transliterating Persian and Urdu texts respectively. But it is good practice to maintain the same standard in one article. The sound of "e" is common pronunciation in Urdu. And as the book predominantly contains Urdu poetry, I followed the same pronunciation pattern.

Many thanks indeed for your messsage. My friendly advice would be to carefully see before any blatant reverts in future. cheers. --Isles Cape^Talk 13:46, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies if my comments sound "hostile" to you which has not been the objective at all. I only wanted to point out that your later edits did accommodate my contribution which was reverted earlier. I appreciate your hard work and look forward to cooperating with you on this and many other articles.--Isles Cape^Talk 15:11, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

An informal mediation process[edit]

Hi Mel. Please have a look at User:FayssalF/JK. Your participation would be highly appreciated. Cheers. -- FayssalF - ^{Wiki me up®} 14:01, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pussycat Dolls Single Boxes[edit]

It took a very long time to add the single covers into the chronology and you sweeping in and removing them was incredibly annyoing. It seems you very much enjoy throwing you're weight around CandeeJ 16:08, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Do not leave personal attacks, or edits like this. Read WP:NPA and WP:CIVIL. Acalamari 16:15, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, thanks for blocking that user. If it's okay, would you mind taking a look at what I posted a few messages above about the disruptive moves to the Pussycat Dolls? At the moment, we have two non-redirects about the Pussycat Dolls, and only one (The Pussycat Dolls (music group), which needs moving back) is the proper version. As I said, there is a page that needs deleting and I can't delete. Acalamari 17:18, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WikiThanks

Thank you so much for that. I should go and tell Musicfreak7676 that they should have discussed the move first. Anyway, coping and pasting the text from the old version to a new page is against policy, as it doesn't copy the history. Again, thank you. Acalamari 17:30, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your revert actions in Pussycatdolls article[edit]

Quote from Infobox music template

Field	Type	Description
Current_members	groups	Current members of the group, listed in order of joining with no other notation than names.
Img_size		Image size, only if it is smaller than 220 pixels width. Do not use "px" after specifying the size.

Regards

Eduemoni 22:37, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You are welcome

BTW dont you read the contente text? Pussycatdolls ;)

Eduemoni 01:52, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Emoticons[edit]

Hey, I'm new to emoticons past :) and :(, and I have found the listing that was present here so helpful. I can see why you'd say this isn't a directory, but it was so handy. I haven't been able to find another as useful.

my .02

Scott —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.142.185.18 (talk) 00:01, 8 May 2007 (UTC).[reply]

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HELLO[edit]

Hello Mr, I have given solid evidences with Link IN [1]. Why cant you refer to them?

And abt the aricle. There is no caste called Ediga in kerala, but its there in Karanataka. But there is caste called Ezhava. Also given link for for contribution.

Mr, i am working for History dept of kerala University. i cannot put actual refernce materials because of copty right issues. Otherwise i would have given solid proof for my edits

Regards Daya Anjali

what do you make of this?[edit]

"Hey Negrita" It isn't listed under the Rolling Stones song category, yet it mentions the song. It looks like a page for a band that lacks notability. Stan weller 08:09, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cool. I redirected the link on Black and Blue to "Hey Negrita (song)". Stan weller 08:29, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Eminem discography, 50 Cent discography[edit]

I think RIAA certifications should be listed the way RIAA lists them, not you or "our" MoF, the certifications were invented by RIAA, so they should be capitalized like on RIAA website. "platinum" is a chemical element, and "Platinum" is a RIAA certification. If you think that the certification should be named under "our" MoF, then go and rename "iPod" to "Ipod" and so on. How about this? IWM 17:00, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi[edit]

I think you sound really nice and I'd love to meet you because you sound like a very clever man. My name is Michael and I am homosexual. I just want to ask you a few questions - if you can answer them for me that would be great. Would it be ok to email you? 66.152.177.126 17:06, 8 May 2007 (UTC) s[reply]

Okay, who died and made you an admin?[edit]

If you're not an admin, please stop trying to act like one and leave the album covers alone! I know you've been tagging them, and they are real covers, so if you're so concerned, nominate yourself for adminship! Tom Danson 18:03, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Uh, Mel's an admin. A casual glance at his User page would show you this. --David Shankbone 18:07, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Also, give WP:CIVIL a quick read please. Yankees76 18:10, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oops, my bad. Now it appears I'm good as blocked. Tom Danson 19:47, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That was an EPIC FAIL. -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 19:25, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: It's On (Petey Pablo) 187um Killa[edit]

That article has no notability whatsoever, besides, how can that vandal claim that album is MULTI-PLATINUM? If you just go to RIAA.com you will see it is not true. Also delete Str8 off tha Streetz of Compton City, it is all just vandalism, it is like some guy saying some random actor actually released an album called Nevermind the Bollocks, Here's [Insert name here] instead of Nevermind the Bollocks, Here's the Sex Pistols. --- 72.142.212.28 22:07, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

FUCK YOU 72.142.212.28

Jevon, you truly are pathetic, go see Wikipedia:Civil, and also stop creating articles on albums that do not exist, also stop wasting everyone's time. --- 72.142.212.28 19:32, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

hahaha[edit]

Sorry, but I put an edit summary (*/image too large to suit the infobox, image no larger than 220px*/)

Eduemoni 22:15, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

For the templates I removed...[edit]

I DID provide sources and fair-use rationale for these images (You removed them, which is grounds for being desysopped). I never intended to be uncivil, but it sounds like you are being just that. Tom Danson 22:56, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You might not believe it, but I actually uploaded the original images, and somebody else replaced my files with theirs. I don't know why they would do such a thing, but please stop removing the sources which I got the original images from. Tom Danson 23:05, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I did upload the original file images, and somebody happened to upload another image by the same name, thus replacing my image with theirs. No, I am not who you claim me to be, but somebody who's been cheated by another uploader. Tom Danson 09:21, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Unblock request by 81.106.8.208[edit]

81.106.8.208 (talk · contribs) has requested an unblock. You blocked them for blanking their talk page, but if you see the page history, on April 22 they posted a message disputing their previous warnings and blocks. Receiving no response for 2 weeks, they then blanked their talk page and were immediately re-blocked by you. As you probably know, WP:TALK allows removing warnings from one's own talk page, and I don't think this is simple vandalism. I suggest that they be unblocked. —dgies^t_c 03:51, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I concur. Your reason of blocking was blanking the talk page, which is perfectly fine. I will unblock this IP for now until you provide an explanation on this matter. Sr13 (T|C) 04:56, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'll reply severally, but note that users of anon IP addresses don't have their own Talk pages. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 07:17, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, sorry for the rushed unblock. I just didn't see an immediate precedent. Well, I'm still new with the tools... Sr13 (T|C) 07:27, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well there's such a thing as a shared IP (which this doesn't look like), but I still think it's unhelpful to block someone without warning for removing warnings from their own talk page when they tried disputing those warnings and got no response. —dgies^t_c 15:09, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

u[edit]

y u block me —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.167.252.180 (talk • contribs)

It looks like you were blocked by Naconkantari... two months ago. —dgies^t_c 05:36, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop this[edit]

Please stop this. I have given proper Links and sources for Editing Nadar caste Daya anjali 08:59, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Jevon Tompkins is back[edit]

YO WHY THA FUCK DID YOU DELETE THA PAGE BITCH YOU DONT OWN THE MOTHERFUCKER WIKIPEDIA BLOOD WHAT"S GOOD. AND THAT EFIL4SELEAR WHAT THE FUCK ? (SMOKING). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jevon Tompkins (talk • contribs) 15:02, 9 May 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Jim Les[edit]

I was hoping that you could refer me to the part of the MoS that would dictate the changes that you made to the article. As it stands, the "to" puts the last line of the coaching tree onto two lines, and your revert of which schools he played for doesn't make it clear when he transferred from Cleveland State to Bradley. Thanks! --fuzzy510 15:55, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Frothing at the mouth (I think it's the mouth)[edit]

Sir, you appear to have deleted my bio??? Why??? I've just read your profile and you appear to have no interest in techno music, infact I'd like to call you a jazz snob!!! I won't bother entering it again on Wikki as it is obviously policed by a bunch of selfish wikki-wankers like you, who like to edit 3,000 articles a month, leaving only people and music subjects you personally approve of. I see you did the same with some hiphop guy further down this page. B. Bionisamp 22:45, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

23:08, 22 March 2007 Mel Etitis (Talk | contribs) deleted "Bioni Samp" (bio that makes no claim to significance of its subject)

Okay, this is just pure violation of the rules.[edit]

I put a fair use rationale by the Image:Fab-fnts.jpg description, like this:

http://tinypic.com/5xpzig2 Cover of From Nothin' to Somethin' by Fabolous. Copyright 2007 Desert Storm/Def Jam Recordings. This cover qualifies as fair use because it is only used on the artist and album pages. Any other use may violate copyright laws.

Yet you removed it! It was a fair-use rationale I put, and you vandalized the summary. I think this is a case where desysopping would be appropriate. Tom Danson 01:15, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

On that note, if you fancy some light entertainment, you got a mention on ANI. Just letting you know. Regards. Will (aka Wimt) 01:54, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Here is the link. Acalamari 01:55, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your blind edits make me sick[edit]

I give nearly a link to my source, you give me three letters which are leading to a disambiguation page. Does the MoF tell you not to use space after "–"? Go to Wikipedia:WikiProject_Albums#Track_listing and see that a space should be placed after "–". Does the MoF tell you to repeat links? I'm talking about 50 Cent and Kuniva, there are two links on page for each of them, 50 Cent in main body and Kuniva in track listing (in your revision). 78:14 is the correct length, because we list the bonus track. It's simple maths, sum up all lengths. If you think that's original research, fuck it and I'll invite a third-party to express his or her opinion. OK you may be right about not capitalizing remixes, because they shouldn't be capitalized under "our" MoF, but 99.9% of all music sites do capitalize them. If you're so obsessed about the article, why do you then do nothing to the original research and unverified claims then? Oh and also, a comma shouldn't be inserted before and, see serial comma. There's no ambiguity, because all artists are linked (I mean a link is provided for every artists) and "and" does not fall into any of the links. IWM 01:57, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Vanishing[edit]

Can you please delete my account? Thanks. IWM 09:01, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sent reply. Sr 13 17:49, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Protheroe[edit]

I would ask you what needs cleaned up rather than wikified? The article has sections, a normal-to-weak lead, etc. You rolled me back like I had vandalized. A comment would have been nicer. Mahalo. --Ali'i 21:22, 11 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well I would contend that the article needs wikification much more than it needs cleanup (which I'm not sure it does). I felt it didn't need the cleanup tag, so I was bold and removed it. And just because I forgot to add an edit summary is not grounds for reversion (you should know better than that as an admin). I won't change it back because 1) I have no stake in the article as you seem to (I've never heard of the dude before), and 2) I'm not one to edit war. I just think leaving a cleanup tag on an article that looks pretty decent is foolish. And what needs wikified? How about the entire body of the article? In the entire body of the article there are a whopping 5 wiki links. I'd say it is a suitable candidate for wikification. A hui hou. --Ali'i 21:35, 11 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, I understand your reasoning just fine... I just don't think you are correct. People don't HAVE to use edit summaries. People can remove tags they feel are not warranted (even without an edit summary). That's what being bold/ignoring "rules" allows people to do. But it doesn't matter because I'm moving on. Mahalo. --Ali'i 21:47, 11 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Big L Album[edit]

Well why did u delete the table then? I didn't see the point in that. All that info came from allmusic. Please respond on my talkpage so I can get the response. You're making me feel like a horrible person when all I want to do is improve this article. :(- User:cowbellcity45

You still didn't explain why you delete the table for the track listing User:cowbellcity45

wowowee ref edit[edit]

any reasion you insist on using references over reflist? According to the manual of style both are valid and since we are adding references to the article as we find them i'd rather use the smaller one so it takes up less room.Harlock jds 11:58, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

i understand your thoughts but i can't find them reflected in the MoS (which makes it clear that they can both be used interchangeably). Is this a MoS issue (as you first claimed) or a personal opinion? If it's an opinion then you advocate it to be included in the MoSHarlock jds 12:48, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

i'd still like to see the MoS justification for this change... I guess if you continue to edit war this (~~and continue breaking the 3 revert rule which should apply to admins as well~~) i'll get further clarification on the issue from other admins. Considering the 'gimmick' reflist seems to be the most common form used on articles of the day and is used on a large number of feature articles i don't see the problem and think this is your personal ax to grind.Harlock jds 12:52, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My appoligies i thought you had broken 3RR on the 12'th but i was wrong22:56, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

ref[edit]

What's the reason for using </references> instead of {{reflist}}? RaNdOm26 12:38, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's in my opinion not a valid reason for switching it, as I'm aware that 99% of all featured articles use {{reflist}}, and having the references such a large size is not necessary. People with problems with eye-sight can easily be fixed if they change their internet settings. RaNdOm26 12:47, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image[edit]

hey, i uploaded this image 120px. It's a cover for a album/single and how to fix the copyright for it? because i'm afraid to add this for the page X, if someone removes that and count this vandalism. but i have wroten where i found this from, but this is not a normal picture but like an album-cover. so does it matter where i have found this? Why can't we have album images, planitum sell in some articles, i want to add the info that are already in Discography to the persons article... it looks nicer like i did once in Nas but someone of ya removed it and once got vandalism because i re-did that. Please if i do any edit about album covers etc.. dont remove it.. I want the page look nicer than what u r planning... Answer me i meant we can put the infoboxal about album cover, singles etc.. into Nas, 50 Cent, Eminem, and serveral others that has got that simple add Snoop Dogg to the examples... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Football 7 (talk • contribs) 16:14, 12 May 2007

Barracuda (Fergie song).[edit]

Thank you for deleting that page. I was going to AfD it when I checked the page's logs and found out you had already deleted it. I've removed all redlinks to that page. I actually asked FergieFan101 the other day if they could provide some sources for the article. However, the user removed my message and didn't bother to source the page. I (as well as a couple of other users) keep saying to FergieFan101 that continually doing that will result in further blocks. Acalamari 22:43, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting. Thanks for your work on Karen Alexander. You had more luck than I did at finding sources, and since I've been busy today, I didn't have chance to fix the article the way you did. Acalamari 22:55, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Beyoncé Knowles discography[edit]

please undo your rev to this page. my sources of song chart position are here and all the video director info i added is already on B'Day Anthology Video Album. Please keep my contributions. Ratizi1 22:56, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Her Name Is Nicole... Vandalism[edit]

See this interview

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LyYnwDI3n8 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cusulli (talk • contribs) 12:17, 13 May 2007 (UTC).[reply]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandalur[edit]

Dear,

Recenly i added a new subtilte and St.FXGS scholl detail in the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandalur page and some error correction in the introduction which was reverted by you. Once again i do this changes and this time i added the edit summery.

regards AfasJa 16:56, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

itchy trigger finger reverts[edit]

On drum I notice you are quick to revert articles without giving them a chance for others to respond. The full article that is linked to (washinton post), provides the source necessary for therapuetic settings and it is implied by the part of article that is available for free viewing. The majority of statements on the page as is have no citation including, "Most drums are called "untuned instruments" because they have no definite pitch, with the exception of a few such as timpani." If you look at other wikipages, thereaputic settings is used in different context without need for citation. Although I appreciate your protection of the drum page, I believe you are reverting too quickly to allow organic evolution of the article to occur. leontes 17:39, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I can only speak from my experience with your edits. This edit wasn't unsourced, as it is supported by the current citation. If you found it gramatically incorrect, you could correct the grammar rather than reverting it. I suppose what I'm trying to convey is I wish your edits to me specifically (I don't know if your approach is used globally) were in the spirit of collaboration rather than what I view as combativeness. The statement regarding music therapy seems unclear the way it is written. Drums are used in schools, clinics, mental hospitals with greater frequency that other instruments in group music therapy due to the nature of the instrument, so I'm trying to add that clarifying statement to the sentence, which will improve the article. Usage guidelines for citation suggest the use of the fact tag if it's not exactly hurting the article or editing a statement copyedit it rather than just reverting it. I think two hours is a very brief time in the scheme of things, leaving items for a few days or a week if it isn't doing harm to the article, makes more sense to me. Of course, we all have different styles and approches, but I sensed a pattern from you and was moved to comment. You actions are leading me to seriously hesitate to improve the drum article which is not the feeling I think we want from a collaborative encylopedia. leontes 03:01, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actor's table[edit]

I noticed you reverted the table listing Georgie Henley's film and television parts. When would you say it's necessary, or even a good idea for that matter, to list an actor's roles in a neat, organized table instead of bullet points? It's not a big deal, but I was just wondering for future reference. Arwen undomiel 20:46, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

50 Cent[edit]

Hi Mel, was wondering why you re-protected 50 Cent? Just curious, as I scanned the previous 4000 or so edits summaries, and didn't feel that IP and new user vandalism was at higher levels than for other major celebrities. Thanks Mel -- Samir 23:36, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for letting me know. -- Samir 22:06, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No idea, I thought I had just un-sprotected it, but the better bet is on me not looking carefully as opposed to the software :) -- Samir 22:50, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambler, but it's a different one[edit]

Hi, Mel. I want to start an article about a Catholic periodical called The Rambler, which existed from 1848 to 1862, and had nothing to do with the magazine published a century earlier by Samuel Johnson. There's an old (public domain) Catholic Encylopaedia article about it here. What should I call the article, and isn't there some template that I put at the top of both articles to alert people to the existence of the other article? Thanks. ElinorD (talk) 06:46, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And on a related matter (since I have just created the article Richard Simpson (writer), which is about one of the main editors of The Rambler), if you're not too busy, and if nobody answers, perhaps you could take a look at my question here? Thanks. ElinorD (talk) 08:19, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your help, for your kind words, and for the barnstar. Funny you should praise me for my use of edit summaries, as you'll see from the very first message on my talk page, I didn't use them when I started, but I've been careful ever since.

I'll probably go for the title The Rambler (Catholic periodical), and may start the article this evening. Useful to know about the {{for}} template. I should have been able to find that myself, as I know I've seen articles that have it, but sometimes the quick and lazy way is just to ask someone who you're sure will know it without having to look it up. Thanks again. ElinorD (talk) 17:16, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Two things[edit]

Mel, two quickies. 1) I'm listing I Lost on Jeopardy at DRV. I'm honestly kind of surprised you didn't undelete it last week when requested, but oh well. 2) Please, please, please stop deleting songs as A7s. They do not fit the criteria and for good reason. Consider prod or AfD for them. --badlydrawnjeff talk 17:16, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've !voted on DRV to undelete and restore I Lost on Jeopardy, and have to say that I came very close to summarily reversing your action. I'm sorry to advise that I see no basis of any kind for this deletion. Newyorkbrad 17:26, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Mel, I saw your comment at Brad's talk page - *this* is where I notified you of the DRV. Also, I'm officially asking you to undelete the scores of album and song articles that you have deleted, as they fail to meet the standards for speedy deletion and need to be discussed on their own merits. Please take care of this. Thanks. --badlydrawnjeff talk 01:48, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - Sorry, I misread the original message; I took it that the DRV discussion had been going on for a while.
    As for undeleting other articles — I don't have time to track them down (I don't keep detailed records of deletions), though there aren't as many as you imply. Nothing that involved anything substantial was deleted, nothing that made any claim to significance. It's not clear to me that singles are explicitly excluded from normal notability criteria, though I hope that we'll have some sort of specific criterion or set of criteria for them (and I think that everything that I've deleted is covered by all the suggested variations on those criteria). --Mel Etitis (Talk) 07:48, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    - You do understand that A7 isn't tied to the notability guidelines, right? It's set up for specific topics that don't assert importance, not basic notability. So deletions like Coffee Shop (Young Joc Song), Just Tah Let U Know, and Barracuda (Fergie song), to name a few, should have never been deleted. --badlydrawnjeff talk 12:31, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      - Sorry, I've been tied up all day. In addition to Acalamari's point, while A7 isn't directly tied to notability, it's indirectly tied; without notability guidelines, how can one judge whether significance has been asserted? If the notability guideline said that a song had merely to be released as a single in order to be notable, then significance would be asserted simply in virtue of the existence of the article (so long as it was given a source, which (so far as I recall) none of these articles was). If, in order to be notable, a song had to be released as a single that reached the top twenty of a national chart, then the articles would not have claimed significance for any of their subjects. So far as I could see, none of the articles claimed significance accoprding to any existing or likely criterion. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 20:39, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        They aren't tied to notability because all it's looking for is an assertion of importance. It's worded that way specifically, to avoid shooting first on articles that may meet our notability standards without new editors knowing exactly what those standards are. Furthermore, A7 is written very specifically - songs, albums, games, books, those things do not fall under the A7 purview for numerous reasons, and most attempts to expand A7 to include things like that are denied. It's really important that you don't try and move the bar on those artificially, A7 is controversial enough. By the way, I was wrong on the Fergie single above (I wasn't aware we were dealing with a vandal, but I can't see deleted edits, either), but the others relatively stand. --badlydrawnjeff talk 20:42, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

We will have to agree to disagree on this one. I see no reason for proposing any of these songs for deletion. They are all reasonably notable, and the articles certainly aren't doing any harm, although some could use some clean-up or wikifying. Regards, Newyorkbrad 13:23, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, in view of subsequent developments, I certainly will have to retract my comment regarding Barracuda (Fergie song). I had in mind Barracuda (song) by Heart, which is not at all the same thing. I Lost on Jeopardy remains fully notable, however. Regards, Newyorkbrad 20:43, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just Tah Let U Know is at DRV, Mel. --badlydrawnjeff talk 00:20, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've speedily undeleted it. Just being a released single from a notable artist is generally considered enough, especially charting ones, especially the last song he ever released. There's a very good reason A7 doesn't apply here, and these improper deletions are evidence of that. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 02:25, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hash Signs[edit]

Why are the hash signs on every other infobox for Singles? That's why I kept changing it. Simon171717 07:48, 15 May 2007 (UTC)+[reply]

OK. I could start deleting some of them from other infoboxes I guess. Simon171717 07:53, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

- I'll just remove them from anything in My Watchlist for now then, and anything I see when I'm browsing. Simon171717 07:59, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Two books[edit]

Have you read The Meditations by Marcus Aurelius and Thus Spake Zarathustra by Nietzsche? There is one thing I'm wondering... --Thus Spake Anittas 08:28, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, there is more than one thing. Firstly, I don't quite understand his analogy between cat and woman, and dog and man. I realize that it is common to compare a cat to a woman and a dog to a man, but in this case, it makes no sense to the relation of the übermensch. The latter is often described for being independent, unsubmissive, without the need of worship, etc. All the characters that a cat is believed of having, whereas the dog is quite the opposite: submissive, dependent, and with a need of having a master. Therefore, if anything, the cat should not be used in that kind of analogy.

In my opinion, both man and woman are dogs (or bitch, as in the latter case) and the cat analogy doesn't really fit in. The cat should instead represent the ubermensch. The other thing that bothered me a bit are his hints to Christianity as being the origin of pitty (as I understand it) and he also inclines in saying that at least some of the shame (for example, the shame for nudity) was brought to us by Christianity. Even though that is to some extent true, Aurelius also spoke for pitty, humbleness and for kindness and he wasn't affected by the Christian teaches. And when it comes to nudity, many people in the ancient world viewed it as something vulgar that needed to be hid. I think the Lydians were such a people, as they were mentioned in the History of Herodotus. Nietzsche must have known about this, since he studied ancient philosophy.

Perhaps I misunderstood the part about nudity. He could've meant the world prior to civilization. One should read the book at least three times to have a chance to understand it better. I've only read it once, and some of the chapters I read in a rush. I've googled to find something that could explain the cat analogy, but without success. If you're not sure of the interpretation, then perhaps you know of someone else who specializes in Nietzsche? --Thus Spake Anittas 09:32, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your reply. Altough I haven't read as many books as you have read, your answer surprised me because even though Nietzsche sometimes contradicted himself--and he was aware of that--I find him as a great thinker and a pioneer in his style. I thought that the attitude of the average philosopher is to not reject anyone's work but to analyze it. I've checked some of your articles and it seems that you're focused more on Indian and Middle Eastern philosophy. There must be someone in Oxford to be a specialist in German philosophy, which is why I also asked you if you knew of any. I guess philosophers don't have their own lounge where they hang out. :p --Thus Spake Anittas 22:32, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Hey Mel, I'm a newb to wikipedia, but the "freezing" page is vandalized, just fyi. Thanks!

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Thank You[edit]

Thank you for editing Vasant Rai's article. It really makes sense now. Some people unfortunately always try to politicise wikipedia. Anyway, I would be happy if you please keep an eye on further annonymous updates at Vasant Rai page, and edit them accordingly so that the article looks wikipedian.

Ashina[edit]

Since you seem to have some experience in dealing with User:Eiorgiomugini, I seek your advice on the best way to proceed with him. Please see the history and talk pages for Ashina, for instance. The guy seems to regard all Gokturk- and Xiongnu-related articles as his private domain, making any efforts aimed at improvement of those pages a pointless waste of time. This is rather frustrating. --Ghirla^-трёп- 06:09, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Reddy edits[edit]

Hi Mel

I think you may have been wrong to revert the edits by the now disappeared editor. They all just weakened claims that were unsourced in the first place. The editor also left a message on the talk page that the article is a disgrace. He is right, but all we can do without having access to relevant sources like newspaper articles or sociological studies that are probably not distributed outside southern India is to radically condense the article. "Caste or social group" (one of the edits) must be more accurate than "caste". Itsmejudith 07:07, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I agree with what you say. My intuitive reading was that both the talk page message and the edits were in a direction of scholarly caution, but I could be wrong. I'm afraid that the radical condensing may be down to virtually nothing. Even the history section, which in an earlier version had bracketed numbers that might have been meant to direct to footnotes, still has no sources. Itsmejudith 22:23, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

rv unsourced and unexplained edits[edit]

Have you considered that your policy of summarily reverting edits out of hand may be contrary to Wikipedia policy of assuming good faith? I note in particular this edit of yours, which reverted a valid correction, one that needed neither sourcing nor expaining (it is obvious to anyone who has ever heard the song that Pardo does all of the talking and Fleming does none). As far as explaining edits go, there's nothing that says edit summaries are required; if they were, editors wouldn't be able to submit edits without modifying that field; moreover, in many cases an edit summary is superfluous for a minor edit, and can be more extensive than the edit itself. In view of all this, I hope you'll consider attenuating this behavior of yours, which can have the appearance of being thoughtless when it is mistaken, even if it may be effective at reverting vandalism when it is not mistaken. Robert K S 09:14, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You say: "If no source is given but an edit summary is, then I assume good faith; if a source is given and no edit summary, then I assume good faith; when neither is given, good faith is irrelevant." This is where your philosophy both fails (as illustrated) and counters guidelines(WP:FAITH and WP:DONTBITE). With particular regard to that article, don't you think your defense sounds a little a ludicrous?: The article is about the song. One need no other reference, and there can be no other reference than the song. Should one cite as a reference the subject of an article when the reference is implicit in the article subject? (In an article about A Tale of Two Cities, if an editor corrected the book's first line to "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times", would you revert to "It was some crazy timez, yo", demanding a source?) Finally, you say: "If someone doesn't give an edit summary (which is strongly requested as a courtesy to other editors) or a source (which is required by policy), what is the basis for assuming good faith?" The basis is the policy that says always assume good faith (not "sometimes", or "deem good faith when given a basis"): it is the very philosophy of Wikipedia reiterated frequently by Jimmy Wales. I am of course being strong, perhaps too strong, in my criticism of you. A couple of mistakes on your part are no reason for anyone to clutter up your talk page with admonitions. But I am troubled by the pattern of your actions, which seem to be informed by a deeper attitude of dismissiveness, as reflected in the impolitic and condescending caveats you keep at the top of your talk page. Robert K S 22:19, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

All I can say is that I disagree with your philosophy and think it goes against what makes Wikipedia great. In effect it empowers unawareness (your own) over the potential wisdom of the newbie uninitiated to Wikipedia. It says, "I may not know whether what you say is right, but I will defend to the death my right not to let you say it." Your exasperation with unsigned comments is understandable, but if it is so much harder for you to respond to them when they are unsigned, is it really less work for you to remove such comments than to just ignore them? Something compels you to wipe clean any spot you see, but when you do so without critically inspecting the spot, your actions do not aid the project. Yours, Robert K S 11:59, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Editing of the article 'Mangal Pandey'[edit]

Dear Mel Etitis, Permit me to introduce myself as the man who edited the article on Mangal Pandey, introducing a lot of information and, in my opinion, giving a less biased view. No doubt, the topic is a touchy one, especially to people who blindly regard the subject of the article as a hero, of whom I hope you are not one. Having a lot of interest in nineteenth century history, and especially in the affairs of the British Empire, and having studied the matter at hand in detail I felt it my duty to correct an impression that was in many ways misinformed. I do admit my fault in not acknowledging my sources. However, had you read the article in detail, I am certain that you would have noticed that I had referred the reader to 'The Indian Mutiny of 1857' by Colonel G. B. Malleson. This and the book 'The Great Mutiny' by Christopher Hibbert, constituted by primary sources in correcting the article. The reason I did not cite them in my references was because, being a new user of Wikipedia, I had not the iota of an idea as to how references were to be introduced. I trust that that lays a full-stop to any questions that might have been engendered by my unacknowledged contribution. I shall be rectifying the article forthwith, with references. I trust that it will not meet with your disapproval again because I believe you to be a man with an unbiased opinion of what happened. ACS

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 59.96.40.117 (talk) 10:29, 16 May 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Ice Cube[edit]

Hey, could you let Ice Cube without the information about record sales, album covers on the bottom of the page be removed. I have been editing it and just simply written the name of the albums and it's year. But someone is undoing that. I wonder why you remove these info's in other pages such as Jay Z, Nas, 50 Cent, Snoop Dogg and serveral others. But when i do the same in Ice Cube, someone of y'all undo the edit to the old one with all images and etc... Football 7 14:17, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ice Cube[edit]

I'm a bit surprised to see you reverting perfectly correct edits to this article, which included removing copyright-violating images and bringing it into line with the WikiProjext and the MoS. What happened? --Mel Etitis (Talk) 21:47, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Mel, i thought it was something to do w/ vandalism when i had spotted a large amount of edits being removed and a table deconstructed. I can't know what's going on the wikiproject you are referring to. I also had no idea that images copyright problems were at play. Please read my convo w/ Football 7 after he explained to me what he's been doing. I hope it is clear. -- FayssalF - ^{Wiki me up®} 23:21, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The situation with regard to fair-use images of album covers, etc., is that they can be used only in articles on the albums, etc., not to illustrate articles on people, to pretty up discographies, etc. (in such cases they're simply copyvios). With regard to tables, the Music WikiProjects (and the MoS) use bulleted lists for things like track listings; there's a large number of editors whose interest (to put it mildly) is popular music of one kind or another, and who want to add every available bell and whistle to articles in that area, and who have no knowledge of or interest in Wikipedia style, guidelines or policy. They want everything to be in complex, often multi-coloured, tables, cramming in information that belongs (if anywhere) in doscographies or articles on the releases themselves.

Football7 saw their work, and took it to be the standard, correct way of doing things; unlike most, when his edits were reverted and he discovered the true situation he adopted the correct approach — which is why having his edits reverted in the opposite direction must have been an unpleasant surprise for him. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 08:05, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I totally agree w/ you and F7. I had already understood what s/he was doing and that is fair enough. I'm keeping an eye on similar articles anyway. Cheers. -- FayssalF - ^{Wiki me up®} 10:47, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Speaking of Ice Cube, I noticed that you gave a final warning to Football 7 at the start of this month for inserting covers. Well since then, he's reinserted them at least half a dozen times despite multiple warnings. I think the history of the Ice Cube discography page speaks for itself. I know this isn't the place for reports, but I think the copyvios would cease if that page was either fully protected or if that user was temporarily blocked. Spellcast 21:59, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oops, cancel that. I just realised it was an IP and not the user. It's just that I've reverted Football7's edits several times. And when I saw album covers again with his name on top of the history, I mistakenly thought it must've been him. Spellcast 22:09, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Do me a favour...[edit]

...reply here. Thanks! Spellcast 08:40, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Would there be enough information in the 50 Cent page to justify the use of a mugshot? I noticed Peterm1991 added a mugshot, movie poster, as well as a picture of his child. I reverted it several times because of missing FU rationale (not to mention the messy MoS editing). I have my thoughts on this, but you seem to know how things are done around here. Spellcast 09:25, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Reasonable Doubt[edit]

I seriously don't understand why you got rid of the table I made for the track listing. I am getting annoyed by this because I worked hard to make that grid and you got rid of it as if it was vandalism. I check the wikiproject:albums page and it said the grid was fine for the tracklisting. I felt by adding the grid it would greatly improve the article. But you got rid of it. I just don't understand this. It's like you're stalking me on wikipedia. Reverting every good intention I have. I am reverting back until I get an explanation.User:cowbellcity45

More single deletions[edit]

Again, I can't see the deleted material, but I'm assuming these were viable stubs, so if you could restore them, that would be excellent:

Let's Get Dirty (I Can't Get in da Club) - Single by Redman, charted in three separate Billboard charts in 2001.
Breathe, Stretch, Shake - Single by Mase, charted on 4 separate Billboard charts in 2004. The album of the same name also charted, this could refer to either.
Have a Party - Single by Mobb Deep, I assume, and charted on 2 separate Billboard charts in 2005.
Put Em in Their Place - Also by Mobb Deep, single charted on one chart.
I'll Sue Ya and It's All About the Pentiums - two "Weird Al" songs that really shouldn't have ever been deleted even if you could speedy songs for insignificance.
It's Not a Game - Layzie Bone album that charted on 3 charts.
Thug by Nature - L-Burna album, charted on 2 charts.

And that's only the significant ones I've found so far, there are certainly more. Mel, please consider what you're doing when you delete these song articles - not only is it inappropriate per speedy deletion policy, but you're getting rid of content we really should have. Please restore these as soon as you can. Thanks. --badlydrawnjeff talk 21:30, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mel Etitis, I am seriously considering restoring most or all of these, but would appreciate your commenting first. Thanks, Newyorkbrad 21:35, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Surely whenever an album exists for a single, it's far better to merge/redirect to the album. Unless it's believed the single-article is faked, or there's an office/privacy issue, there should almost never be a reason to delete a single when the album exists. --Interiot 21:42, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And if the single is a single, there's plenty of information for a stand-alone article. --badlydrawnjeff talk 00:20, 18 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And here are more:

I Want a New Duck, Nature Trail to Hell - Weird Al songs. There's little reason to speedily delete any Weird Al song, as I've noted above.
One in a Million - I assume this was an Aaliyah song? Charted on one Billboard chart.
I Need a Soldier - Keyshia Cole single.

And these are only the ones that I know are "significant" off the top of my head. Your entire deletion log since April is littered with song and album articles that should not be speedy deleted. Please stop, Mel. --badlydrawnjeff talk 00:35, 18 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mel, these are all at DRV. I waited to see if you'd respond at all on these before doing so, and it's apparent that you're not responding, so I've appealed them. --badlydrawnjeff talk 19:51, 19 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Did the image for I Want a New Duck get speedied too? Was Nature Trail to Hell always a redirect? Robert K S 21:31, 19 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Inclusive classroom[edit]

How is that a NPOV term? It's from the inclusive classroom book. It says in that book. (Jessica - talk)

Problem continues[edit]

The talk page editing problem continues. Amazing. Please see User talk:Bart Versieck. Thanks, Postoak 03:44, 18 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

User:Haplcn block[edit]

I saw that you have previously blocked Hoplcn. I reverted an edit by this user because it was inconsistent with the MOS. I gave the user a warning and without of dicssing the changes on the talk page, he reverted my edit back to his a few hours after I gave him the warning. I do not want to revert his edit again because I do not want to engage in an edit war, so can you please block him, at least temporarily? Thank you. —User:Christopher Mann McKay^{user talk} 04:44, 18 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Refs[edit]

Hey Mel. Do all references have to have a "Retrieved on" date? In the 50 Cent page, none of them have any, although an editor requests that they do since all FAs seem to have them. I could be wrong, but I don't think it's necessary because the most important parts of the citations (author, date written, and document it was written in) is already mentioned. Spellcast 16:24, 19 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Al-Kindi[edit]

Re: edit summary; I admit to being not as careful with edit summaries as I should be. I will be more careful in the future;

re: linking dates; the dates and numbers section of the MoS gives examples; this is what I was following (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_%28dates_and_numbers%29, esp. 1.9);

re: Muslim scholar; I was following the pattern I had seen in other similar bio pages which include it as a link to the master list of all Muslim scholars; (example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Tabarani).

I hope this allays your concerns. --FeanorStar7 15:32, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is the list of scholars I was talking about: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_scholar; thanks for your help

Trevor Bolder[edit]

Gosh, this is a long shot. In my dim and distant past (more dim than I care to admit), I occasionally attended concerts at the Hull City Hall. I saw Mott the Hoople, Wishbone Ash (twice, I think), Michael Chapman, Quintessence, Wizzard, 10cc, Deep Purple etc. There was a backing band at, probably two of those events, called "Nothineverappens". They certainly existed as per - [2], [3], [4], [5] - but I can not find any evidence to support my belief that they included Trevor Bolder in their line-up. Equally from memory (as per Bolder) they were a Hull based band. I know it is a stab in the dark - can you help / point me in the right direction ??!

Regards, old boy,

Derek R Bullamore 22:55, 21 May 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Disruptive Edit by user:209.172.115.34[edit]

Please check his/her/their recent edit to Portal:Religion/Introduction, which is POV at best, and vandalism at worst. Vegasprof 01:46, 22 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Re: Sprotected2[edit]

See here for details. I guess it's becoming apparent I have a little time on my hands. : - ). Cheers. --MZMcBride 23:25, 23 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure[edit]

Not sure what to do about this[6][7]. ^(H) 23:30, 23 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'll stay away from it, Mel, have a field day. When someone uploads it again next week, we can fight it out again then. Ignorance wins, I suppose. --badlydrawnjeff talk 23:34, 23 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just trying to give the copyright holder attribution or remove the image as the law pretty much demands of us. ^(H) 23:40, 23 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And that was done. Sorry you struggle to grasp that. Done with it now, I have encyclopedia entries to work on tonight. --badlydrawnjeff talk 23:43, 23 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Are you saying to me that amazon.com is the copyright holder? That is the only source given. I would think that the artist or the company managing them would hold that copyright, not a store. Source is not the same as copyright holder. Mel, sorry for discussing this on your page, if you wish to discuss this further Jeff you can talk to me on yours on my talk page. ^(H) 23:47, 23 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I said nothing of the sort. Please take some time to read the rationale I added. --badlydrawnjeff talk 23:49, 23 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your message[edit]

Do you have a source? Daniil Maslyuk 00:48, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You misunderstood me, sorry for talking not clearly enough. I meant if you have a source that implies that you are right and I am wrong? Daniil Maslyuk 09:09, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not good edits[edit]

Will you please be more aware of some reversions you did. I found that one. You edit added back some vandalism "hi anthony" at the end. Also, incorrect info was added, the film is not called "What If", the source provided said "I Tried". Will you please be more alert of your edits instead of making the article worse? You also added in some silly categories like '1973 births' when the article is about a GROUP, not a person. RaNdOm26 07:42, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And again, he continues to assume bad faith by reverting my edits, calling it disruptive. Here are more bunch of flaws in the revert you failed to notice. You deleted a whole bunch of interwiki links. You restored nonsense at the top with "REDIRECT". You deleted the Academy award nominations, all otehr articles I have seen use nominated awards, show me where this isn't allowed. You add {{unreferenced}} which is misleading because there ARE some references in the article; a better ref tag is {{not verified}}. Lastly, I converted one external link to a ref because it's within the prose of the article, which you revert it back. I repeat, be more aware of the content you are changing. You really should know this better. RaNdOm26 10:59, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Demosthenes[edit]

Meletitis, when I rewrote the article I put BC, which is also acceptable (BC-AD). Now, you come with no good stated reason and replace BC with BCE. Why? You have to give a reason for changing another acceptable per MoS version; not me. I prefer BC-AD, because most articles use BC, and because in article's titles you'll find almost everywhere BC and almost nowhere BCE. BC was there for months and months, this is the article's version when I submitted for FA, and I never had any complaints. So, why did you change my acceptable version?--Yannismarou 09:12, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Basic admin trick needed[edit]

re- Loads of double redirects need quick cure.

Hi! (Really just figured I'd pick on you so could say THAT! It's been a while!) Can you do one of your 'admin trick things' and swap Grantville%2C_West_Virginia (edit [[|talk]] links history) and Grantville, WV (edit talk links history). Note the long form name is virtually never used, and the 'helpful soul' who set it up with the move (sans discussion) was really unhelpful, inasmuch as he effectively created all those double redirects AND mixed in the name of a fictional town which was chosen with forethought so as to be both plenty unique and NOT confusable with the naming conventions applicable to real places. Sigh! I'll set the {{R from alternative name}} up after the move. Add a note in the talk page so we don't get a repeat, if you would. Pasting a copy of this should suffice, or whatever. I'd do that, but may complicate your 'trick'.

2) Before closing, just looked over the edits. Do you think this page would be better as a Fictional towns and cities in Germany or should it stay as the sole occupant in Fictional towns and cities in West Virginia. Hmmmm!?? In the former, there are a couple of other candidates, albeit currently redlinked names like Badenburg, so I'll CFD in that direction, I think. Thanks and have a great summer! // FrankB 23:06, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

re

your answer:

I'm not entirely sure what you want me to do, but the full title is the Wikipedia standard, I'm afraid (for good reason, of course; abbreviations for U.S. states are obscure outside North America – I can never remember most of them – so the full title is much clearer). I don't know whether this is usually extended to fictional places, though I think it is. I'll check into the double redirects (no special admin trick, unfortunately — I'll just trawl through them, correcting each one in turn...). --Mel Etitis (Talk) 10:37, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Grantville, WV (edit talk links history) - Grantville, West Virginia (edit talk links history)
I sure hope you haven't bothered with those fixups! The point is we have different parts of the naming conventions somewhat in conflict since the fiction guidelines more or less just say to name it so there is no confusion with a real place. Second, it's almost always used as a pipetricked form, and if West Virginia is mentioned, that is given in it's own link, so such a 'long name' is both inaccurate (The town in in 1630's THURINGIA, NOT West Virginia!) and creates extra typing. Sigh. That extra work is why I made the swap request. Being fictional, either name is unique enough, but the place's actual geographical status is wholly on the wrong continent no matter how we name it!
Thanks no matter what you do, but if you haven't 'taken up the sword', let the 'old plowshare alone' if you think my position (and request) is wrong and I'll take it up with the few others tending these pages. It's time to give them another spate of effort no matter what. The next major novels scheduled in October. Cheers and thanks! // FrankB 13:44, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Part II

I've had to undo your page-move, I'm afraid, as cut-and-paste moves are expressly forbidden. So far as I understand the situation, this is a fictional town in a fictional universe in which it's actually in Thuringia — so why not rename it to Grantville, Thuringia? As it's not in West Virginia, I don't see that using an abbreviation helps, as it's not in WV either... --Mel Etitis (Talk) 13:59, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

-) Mea Culpa, AhhhhChooo.
I'm afraid I'm not that lawful when it's 1.) trivial 2.) consuming time for no gain 3.) better the way I judges it originally, and certainly 4.) Just putting a lot of other things to rights! and 5.) Exercising reasonable editorial discretion!!! [It THIS really worth EITHER OF OUR TIME??? Hellbells , Mel! unbend a little now and then. This isn't student-teacher stuff.]

a) ... and which is why I asked for the swap.

b) Arrrgh -- I care because it saves typing -- my fingers are short and clumsy and my spelling sucks.

c) So far as I can see the only thing that really matters in the fictional naming criteria is the name is clarly disambigualated from confusion with other (real) places, so could call it GV, but I set it up so it wouldn't need disambigulated. Sigh. Gotta run. RL conflicts coming on fast. Have a good weekend. We're entertaining. // FrankB 14:27, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. Whatever you used to subst the title on my page really needs simplified in concept. /* {{#if:Your message|[[user talk:Mel Etitis#Basic admin trick needed|Your message]] | [[user talk:Mel Etitis#Basic admin trick needed|Mel Etitis#Basic admin trick needed]]}} */ leaves no room to type a summary!!! FrankB

Our titles <g>[edit]

re:

Absolutely absolutely? Hmmmm... I'll consider my hand slapped but at least I doc such on talks! Shrug... This is no big deal, I just prefer to not have the double redirects as I consider that longer name even more deceptive and potentially misleading. Eric Flint chose the name so their wouldn't be a name conflict with a real town though, so at least there's zero chance of that unless mannington changes it's name. They're getting a fair bit of tourist trade from the series... I visited myself last year as a side trip between Pittsburgh on the way to Washington, D.C. with the family.
With 3-5 new books a year, and the whole with much neglect and needing TLC, whose to say how often new phrasing, rephrasing, etc. will call for the link? My Crystal ball broke when I dropped it about age three and a half, so maybe you know something I don't???
Ahh... Then I probably subst {{Ut}} and forgot myself. Usually do that under a title though in a 're: ________' line, as I find links as titles as being less than efficacious usually... escpecially for later linking to using pagename#section title... but was editing to remain faithful to your chosen section name it appears. // FrankB 14:55, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Mel,

re: I've just checked, and there aren't any double redirects; have you already dealt with them? Grantville, Thuringia noy OK, by the way? --Mel Etitis (Talk) 16:15, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not fond of this solution-- still extra keystrokes, plus conflicts with the sense of how the name is usually introduced--as an explaination of the overall plot concept almost invariably in the introductions, so might add a layer of confusion if someone used THAT without a pipetrick. I can't control that, so best not to have the temptation! Let's just stay with the status quo ante from Thursday and before.

2.) My Bad...I was miscalling single redirects 'Double redirects', as I as a rule, try to not use any redirect name on a page, but as the 'WV' gets to the 'West Virginia' you and the page mover interpret as more in line with the WP:NAME criteria; besides... I've held my nose at far worse around here <BSEG>. This kind of thing really doesn't matter unless it affects someone's time down the road, so I'd say just let it alone, and we can hold our noses and trudge on to other things which matter. The article page is sufficient to the task by any name of making it clear the town is a fictional entity. Nothing more is 'really' needed. Thanks for your time! I'm overdue on the grounds maintainence--the sun came out and we had a long spate of rainy days so my gardening has barely started, much less neared being finished! Today's a national holiday here (Memorial Day) and I'm going to use most of the rest of it for family and grounds! Thanks again and, ttfn // FrankB 19:27, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pandalur[edit]

Dear Mel Etitis,

Recently i do some modification and addition in [Pandalur] but it was reverted by you and issuing a warning to me. But really the base article was created by me, when it go thru some editing by different peopel some of the points in the introduction become wrong for examble

Ooty is the District HeadQuarters but in the site its mentioned Gudalur as District headquarters.

Also the new essay about "St. Francis Xavier Girls High school" was added where i collect informaton the school management and public.

Also i added the photo of "kunalikutty haji" (1930) which i received their family album

so kindly advise me how can i see the correct infomation and my additions on Wikipedia

regads AfasJa 13:00, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My contributions[edit]

Mel, I'm running into an issue with a couple of IP trolls, one in Washington, one in Germany. Since they edit the same pages and say the same things, they are perhaps friends...I don't know. But the Germany IP, User:84.178.254.52, is starting to take all of my portraits and rename them. They have done so with Michael Apted, Patricia Neal, Woody Harrelson, Brett Ratner, et. al. In their Commons descriptions, they mention that they are "removing the self-promotion of the editor." They also aren't giving the required attribution that is stipulated in the licensing. I spent 60-80 hours at Tribeca photographing, uploading and editing these photographs, that to have my work undone by someone with some kind of anti-me agenda is very frustrating and I could use some help. I have also been frustrated with Wikipedia in general lately, and some of the things I have witnessed happening on here, and have contemplated leaving. This kind of effort when I have spent so much time, money and patience to make improvements and provide some of the most difficult images to obtain will seal the deal. I won't even finish the projects I have started. I'm simply getting too burned out. I'm asking for some help. --David Shankbone 20:08, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mel, take a look at the photo for Patricia Neal. I think you'll agree the cropped photo with Amex ads removed is superior. Also take a look at the comfort food article for an example of shankbone stalking me. 71.112.115.55 16:00, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Comfort food article is a good example of how I feel this IP hurts Wikipedia. There was this sentence:

Most comfort foods are regional in nature, such as fried chicken in the American South, or a hotdish in the Upper Midwestern United States, or roti in India.

The IP took out "roti in India" saying it doesn't Google and there is no citation. I put it back in after googling "Roti" and "comfort food" and coming up with 23,000 hits. Then they took it out again saying "no cite"; so I added a citation to a major newspaper with the title "Enjoy home-style Indian comfort food" with roti specifically mentioned. They didn't take out any other part of the sentence that is unsourced, but American-centric. They removed the one non-American dish, making the article less international. With a citation, they removed it again, so I just reverted. Not only does the "roti is comfort food" google on numerous blogs and newspapers, but now has a cite. Once an IP has been identified as a troll and vandal, as this IP has (and been blocked about five times in the last two months for such behavior), all of their edits are reviewed. Pretty standard. --David Shankbone 16:09, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

excellent example, david. that article did not say "roti is a comfort food". the restraunts have home cooking but that does not mean every item is comfort food. yet you found it necessary to put this information in multiple times. if you can't find a citation, why is this so necessary? regardless, you stalked me to that article. 71.112.115.55 16:38, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A quote that "roti is a comfort food" is not necessary when the title of the article is about Indian comfort food, and roti is mentioned. Just like an article about "Texas Republicans" doesn't need to then mention, after each name, "...is a Texas Republican." The cite there, and the Google backs it up; it's that simple. And you aren't being stalked, you are being watched, and not just by me. --David Shankbone 16:51, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

and if an article says "enjoy delicious pizza", then says "you can order salads abd breadsticks at little ceasars", does that also mean salads are pizza? in any case, following me there is stalking. 71.112.115.55 17:02, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nope. But if there was a Democrat in the "Texas Republicans" article, they should say, "...who is a Democrat." And it is not stalking. You have been blocked for trolling and vandalism; it's standard to watch your behavior; you burned out your good faith several IPs ago. And there are many people who are watching you.--David Shankbone 17:36, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There you go again with your lies, David. I've asked you many times to show this "vandalism" and many users have wasted their time looking for this vandalism for it based on your accusations, and none has ever been found; because there is none. You've gone out of your way to continue propogating this falsehood, never once apologizing or providing evidence. Please, stop the lies David. People are growing aware of your dishonesty. (in one instance i accidentally reverted to a version that had been vandalized and was blocked for it even after i self-reverted) 71.112.115.55 17:52, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've provided it countless times. Your removal of all Academy Award informaiton; your edit warring at Nancy Reagan, your vandalizing at Afro, your Wikistalking, your trolling. Your use of multiple sockpuppets. Best just to review your behavior here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=71.112.7.212 --David Shankbone 18:09, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Still no diff, David? 71.112.115.55 18:31, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

To whom do I need to supply one? You? Nah. But if admins need the diffs, I can just go cut n' paste from your talk page User:71.112.7.212, where the diffs and evidence are provided. --David Shankbone 18:38, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mel, I think you get the picture now. David accuses me of vandalism over and over again, but refuses to show one instance of it....because there are none. Personal attacks at their finest. 71.112.115.55 18:58, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of misleading place names[edit]

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I know you are growing tired of this...[edit]

Please see User talk:Bart Versieck. Another editor has complained. I left a warning and the diffs. Thanks, Postoak 16:37, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dab pages[edit]

I have replied to your message at User talk:Jmath666#Dab pages. Please explain there. Jmath666 18:00, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Last Warning[edit]

I've gotten a last warning for vandalizing Wikipedia, although I do not think I ever vandalized Wikipedia even though the bots seem to think I do. I even get warnings when I revert a vandalist's edit. 86.90.133.146 19:47, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Vandal[edit]

Mel, this is a block-able offense, and this IP has been blocked for doing this exact same issue before by User:Kafziel: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Afro&diff=prev&oldid=134247612. They continue to make this same edit over and over to Afro. User:Paul Barlow has already reverted. --David Shankbone 06:18, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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I nominated my article Tompkins Square Park Police Riot for FA status[edit]

From the nomination page:
(self-nomination)This article is simply excellent. Excellent writing, interesting subject matter, improved during its Good Article trial, and eye-witnesses have left notes on the Talk page that talk about the article being so accurate, it's like they were living it all over again. Written in a NPOV and heavily cited with the highest of sources, it includes GFDL media, is wikified to the fullest, a fantastic "See Also" section, and looks at the story from every angle. --David Shankbone 18:18, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Ashanti Page[edit]

Why do u keep changing it back to older versions when everything is SOURCED. What do u want a source behind every sentence? lol I understood the cd covers but the screenshots are within the rules of wilki. u going rouge on me? You say u want wilkipedia to be one of the best reference sites yet u erased sourced and detailed info from the singers own mouth and interviews that are well written? lol im not mad...just confused by ur actions....AGAIN. especially when popular artist like jlo, mary j blige, and beyonce have cd covers and bigger errors on their pages and u havent taken notice of it :) It'sOnlyU 23:00, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This Image[edit]

hey, i wanna ask if Image:Busta-Rhymes2.jpg is copyrighted fine? If there's a problem tell me so i don't place it into Busta Rhymes and get blocked.. Football 7 17:39, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ashanti (singer)[edit]

Everything I put on that page is SOURCED. It's funny u keep reverting the article back saying the article is poorly written when I created the revised article u keep changing the current revision back to. You can even check the ashanti dicussion page where I stated that months ago. And if poor writing was the case, u are a wikipedian and you should have tidied the article up yourself where you see fit since you are the only one who seems to think the article needs copy editing. I always posts reliable sources to everything I add and I even included youtube links for a select few sections. The Lady Of Soul Awards controversy needed to be added so I added it. It was a big point in her career. I added her philanthropy which is all sourced. ALL the screenshots have the proper fair use rational in there page descriptions. As for her discography, Every sales figure is SOURCED. All u have to do is click on the link and type in the singers name. The information u keep adding is WRONG and NOTHING is sourced. Nothing is bias or from my POV. Everything is either compiled from album reviews or exclusive interviews with the artist herself.

It'sOnlyU 21:43, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

blocked for what reason? Everything I added is RELEVANT. You are just a control freak with no knowledge of the artist page u are editing so how are u making it a better page? You still havent explained ANY of the revisions u made. And if there is a dispute about an article you are suppose to discuss it in the discussion section of the article. something else u have yet to do.

It'sOnlyU 21:56, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You are talking about things that occured a long time ago. When I changed gold to GOLD I upcased ALL the golds. Vandals changed her sales and when i changed them back I made all of those changes. Vandalism was being done to her intro which already had the princess of hip hop of rnb b4 I even edited and it's a FACT she was given that title in 2002. Proof: http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geu8dz9V1GVtcArXhXNyoA?p=ashanti+princess+of+hip+hop+and+r%26B+2002&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-501&x=wrt

If u actually read the references and footnotes at the bottom of the page u would see that story about her mother finding out her singing ability is true and was told a million times in 2002. Proof: www.mtv.com/bands/a/ashanti/news_feature_april_02/index3.jhtml I even shortened that part because people dont need to know EVERY detail about an artist.

The LADY OF SOUL controversy is a BIG point in her career and should be left in the article. It would be BIAS to leave it out. The philanthropy is important also. Your edit to the discography is helpful in NO way since u have no sources. I added a good chart with sources as I did when i created her SINGLES TABLE last month. Like I said above, all u have to do is go to the certification section in each and type in the singers name. And like I said above also, its obvious u know nothing about this particular artist because 1) u have cited nothing and 2) u didnt leave in any of the relevant additions (which all were) in and u didnt cite anything u added. I could understand if you went back and made the article READ better but u didnt even do that. A discussion has been start on Ashanti's Talk page so please explain your edits there. Like I said, its dumb imo to add a link behind every sentence but if thats what u want, it can be done ;)

It'sOnlyU 22:22, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't CLAIMED anything. Everything I cited are from reliable sources even the artist's own website, interviews, video specials, etc. I could see if i was getting something from geocites or some blog but im not. I even posted u PROOF above. If I put 2 or 3 references behind a new section I've added/created, I expect anyone who is new to the page with lack of knowledge for the artist discussed to click those references and read the articles or watch the videos themselves if they don't believe the information I have added. It's obvious a mediator needs to be brought in because I've explained ALL my reasoning to you with EVERY issue u have brought up to me, but u have yet to explain ur reverts or add reliable sources to the discography you changed when there are reliable billboard, riaa, etc. sources present in my revision.

It'sOnlyU 22:39, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

“

If you want to add material for which sources are given or at least explained, then do so.

”

how can I do so when u are threatening to ban my editing? especially when u didnt review the sources i had already provided earlier b4 reverting the article? And as for ur "tidying", its wrong. Ashanti didnt collab with Eminem (suppose to be ja rule) and Biggie Smalls (suppose to be Fat Joe) (i edited that in 06, i'd know) and her fourth album is called Incredible and is due out later this year. http://www.theincweb.com/ , http://www.ashantidaily.com/index.php?start_from=14&ucat=&archive=&subaction=&id=& . like i said, you know nothing about this artist.

It'sOnlyU 23:01, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

User:Bijanse — indefinite block?[edit]

I can't see grounds for an indefinite block of this User; having poor English is not grounds for a block of any kind, and he's only had one previous block of twenty-four hours. My impulse was to unblock, but perhaps you'd prefer to do it (or to give a better justification for it — though indefinite blocks of named accounts are not easily justified). --Mel Etitis (Talk) 21:41, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well if you want to keep cleaning up after Bijanse (talk · contribs) and mentor him/her, then by all means unblock this person. If the warnings on their talk pagepage didn't get through to them, I doubt any further clarifications I post would. -- Netsnipe ► 06:15, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

the image[edit]

Actually i feel it's public domain since i found this image in many other pages such as answers.com!!!Football 7 13:09, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hey again, i uploaded Twista Image which is from mp3.com Im pretty sure picture from this site is free to use in others... , is this picture free to be used on Twista or is there any problem? Football 7 19:23, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Conflict[edit]

Would you please take a look at the Marxian economics article and claims made on the talk page? Thanks. Sunray 22:29, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

JJH1992[edit]

You may want to know that this user has resumed their changing of template/infobox formats. They are also writing yours (and mine) names in their edit summaries for some reason as well. Acalamari 16:21, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for sorting that all out. I'm sorry I had to bug you to do it, but I had to do some things in real life (schoolwork, to be honest), so I wasn't able to do it. I figured that you were the best user to contact, as you do more work on those pages that anyone else here. Thank you Mel Etitis. Acalamari 17:53, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Double the Trouble[edit]

I removed the protection templated because the page was not a protected redirect. The template should only be used if the page is in fact protected. Simply putting the label on the page itself does not constitute as a protected page. Admc2006 17:21, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that is an indicator that it is protected. But, it is the indicator that the page is semi-protected, and not an indicator that the page is a proteced redirect. If the page were really a protected redirect, none of the users would be able to edit the page. You should only use the template if you are going to make it a proteced redirect. Admc2006 20:18, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks![edit]

Stellatomailing 00:43, 2 June 2007 (UTC) Hi Mel - Please, how do I archive my talk every 7 days or something? Stellatomailing 02:54, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

InfoBoxes.[edit]

I am currently trying to change InfoBoxes to the correct formatting rules, but some people keep reverting it back to previous incorrect versions, see here. I know that this is how the InfoBox should look like, I see many other Wikipedians trying to do what I am doing, however, when I tried to find the section in WikiProject: Albums that said you have to format the InfoBoxes like that, I could not find it. Can you tell me where you can find that section, so that next time I am caught in an edit war with someone over formatting rules, I can just show them that what I am doing is according to rules? --- Efil4tselaer: Resurrected 13:34, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

All right, thank you. --- Efil4tselaer: Resurrected 14:55, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pentecost Talk[edit]

"Mel"--I've responded to your comment on the Talk page of the article "Pentecost" (under the Major revision needed header) and would be interested in continuing the dialogue on the subject. Please don't misinterpret my comments as argumentative. I believe the subject-matter to be valid for reasoned dialectic, and am interested in your learned opinion. Sincerley, MishaPan 17:03, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Britney Spears fifth album deletion[edit]

Mel, could you add Delete to your comment on the deletion of Britney Spears fifth album comment? Just so we know where you stand. Maddyfan 02:31, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Khuê Văn Các.jpg[edit]

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Julia Biel[edit]

Hi Mel

Could you please desist from altering Julia Biel's page. I am making the corrections and updates as Julia Biel's manager and I would appreciate it if you would accept that I am privvy to more information on her than you and so allow me to make the changes required.

Many thanks

Robert212.139.123.71 11:30, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please see WP:CITE concerning this. I have no reason to doubt that you're who you say you are, but even if you were Biel herself you'd need to give sources for these claims. Also, those close to the subject of articles are generally discouraged from making substantial contributions to them.

I'd love to see the article made more accurate and fuller; I started it, getting my information from the sources listed, and was frustrated by the paucity of information available. It has to be edited in line with Wikipedia policies and guidelines, though. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 14:57, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Danny's Direct deletion[edit]

Hi, I am Don Willis. I have shopped from Danny's Direct on numerous occasions. I have studies their business and contacted the executives to learn more on the foundation and growth of Danny's Direct and GDE. Please could you enable me to change it as it has been stopped for continued vandalism!

Thanks Mel!

Julia Biel[edit]

What would you consider to be a source of information? All the information I've been trying to add is available on her website.

Robert

Julia Biel[edit]

What would you consider to be a source of information? All the information I've been trying to add is available on her website.

Robert212.139.123.71 22:40, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Velagapudi Ramakrishna[edit]

Hi Mel! Hope you're doing good? Why did you find the article's neutrality to be disputed? Please help me with the copy editing of the same as well. Thanking You, Altruism ^{To talk} 12:21, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wish Bone[edit]

Proper name and birth date were obtained from Cuyahoga County Court of Common Pleas public records.

Concerning[edit]

I am pretty sure that "concerning" should not be lowercase in book/essay titles. All titles have it capitalized except the ones you have moved (such as An Enquiry Concerning the Principles of Morals and An Essay Concerning Human Understanding). Did make this change for any others besides An Enquiry concerning Human Understanding and Dialogues concerning Natural Religion? I believe these moves should be reverted. Only conjunctions ("and", "but", "or", "nor"), prepositions ("to", "over", "in"), articles ("an", "a", "the"), or the "to" in infinitives should be lowercase in article titles (correct me if I am wrong). Thanks! shoeofdeath 01:37, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Non-free use disputed for Image:Perfect (Fairground Attraction).jpg[edit]

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Image:Khuê Văn Các.jpg[edit]

Hi Mel. Sorry couldn't reply earlier. The tag was not a speedy delete tag. I think the pink colour gives the wrong impression. It is a template I created just for this purpose of tagging images uploaded after 1st Jan 2006 (not June). The other image mentioned on the talk page is a special case due to a problem in edit-history of the image. Also, all the images in this cat will all be manually checked by me after 7 days of tagging. Please see [[8]] to understand what exactly I did with the bot. I do not intend to run the bot again for some time. I am unblocking the bot. Please tell me on my talk page if you have any other concerns. Thanks. - Aksi_great (talk) 17:15, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

G-Unit feuds[edit]

Hello Mel Etitis. I wanted to ask you to move G-Unit Feuds article back to G-Unit feuds. The-G-Unit-Boss isn't familiar with Wikipedia:Manual of Style and moved the article to wrong title. Thanks! Daniil Maslyuk 06:47, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

hi[edit]

Hi. Your input on the Zhuangzi page is requested. I'm asking becuase you edited that page a while back. It is in my view that an editor is trying to insert minority POV into it. -- infinity0 17:38, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Greatest Hits (50 Cent album)[edit]

I think this article should be deleted (again), is there any way to prevent recreation of this article until more information is released about it? Some say it is released in 2008, some say 2009, Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. It might not even be released for all we know, and 50 Cent groupies will always try to recreate it and add "Possible track listing"s, so something should be done. --- Efil4tselaer: Resurrected 20:32, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you[edit]

I just wanted to take a moment to thank you for correcting my English. How could one forget that American English is superior to British English? We must be an isle of fools to continue using such 'archaic', and dare I say, pretentious vocabulary. I am sure no one understood what 'whilst' meant. Therefore, I wanted to personally thank you for making the Wikipedia encyclopaedia (or should I say 'encyclopedia'?) that much more comprehendible! Cheers. Nja247 (talk • contribs) 21:43, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ribbons[edit]

Would you consider using ribbons with/instead of barnstars? I display my collection on my userpage. -- Cat ^chi? 13:28, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Help? Protect perhaps?[edit]

Running into an anon user who insists on adding unsourced (inflated) sales figures to the Taylor Dayne article. Of course s/he uses a different IP each time, so warnings and such as useless. Any chance we can get a protection on this? IP's so far: 75.193.74.18, 75.195.87.219 and 75.195.105.229. Ugh. Thanks in advance! - eo 22:32, 17 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Velagapudi Ramakrishna[edit]

Hi! I've gone through your response, to my removal of some tags. All my actions are well-meaning and assuming good faith. I'm absolutely fine with all the tags, except the "Neutrality disputed" (NPOV) tag. Let me make it clear, since a large part of the contribution is also from me, that I have no association whatsoever with the person in question, or his children/company. If you still feel otherwise, then plz. mend it yourself, or tell what needs to be done.

The English language employed in the article appears pretty fine by Indian standards. "Hailed from" is not in the least, journalistic, in Indian usage. In fact "came from" is obsolete usage in India.

Plz. incorporate the changes, when you find time, soon. Thanking You, Altruism ^{To talk} 05:50, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Britney Spears discography[edit]

Mel, could you do something about Danielkamin? He continues to vandalize the Britney Spears discography section after being repeatedly warned. Thanks. 68.82.82.248 21:12, 21 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned non-free image (Image:Bat for lashes peacock.jpg)[edit]

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Positive Coaching Alliance[edit]

DoctorW,

How can I or someone else remove the Positive Coaching Alliance entry? I appreciate your comments on it, and your hospitality and concern that I might take others' comments as harsh. At this point, I only hope to avoid embarrassing Positive Coaching Alliance. Thanks for any help.

PositiveCoach

Rogue Admin[edit]

Please see my User talk:68.110.8.21 and User_talk:Akhilleus#WP:POINT.2C_WP:HOAX.2C_WP:PN.2C_WP:BIAS. Wikipedia seriously needs your help Mel. Thanks. 68.110.8.21 03:12, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Edits to İlhan Usmanbaş[edit]

Hi Mel, I edited İlhan Usmanbaş a while ago and made a few grammar fixes, typos, and added headlines. You reverted with the edit summary "rv to better grammar, style, MoS formatting, etc". That was in April, but I was wondering if you could let me know what mistakes I made so I won't do them in the future? I left a message on the talk page of that article if you'd rather answer there. Cheers, daveh4h 00:46, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Res publica[edit]

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Image:Forever (album).jpg[edit]

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Mrs. Grundy[edit]

Is there some particular reason why you moved Mrs. Grundy to Mrs Grundy? Michael Hardy 11:25, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Standard British-English punctuation places full stops after abbreviations only when the word has been cut at that point; thus it's "St" for "Saint" but "St." for Street", etc. "Mr", "Mrs", "Dr", etc., are all stopless. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 16:37, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but it's not altogether clear that the British convention is to be preferred in this case, especially since it was not conventional at the time when the play appeared in which Mrs. Grundy is a character. I think that particular British convention was not introduced until well into the 20th century. Michael Hardy 17:00, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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My old account[edit]

Hey, im Football 7 i dont know which email i have for this account and have forgotten my pass. Could u please tell me the password in some way like PM. cause i wrote some invalid email as this account. PS my old account's email is hacked and i can't login into it. So could you help me in some way? Football97 17:10, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Invitation[edit]

I'd like to invite you to join the WikiProject R&B and Soul Music. We are currently on demand for new members, the project was dying, but with your help we can revive it and make it one of the best WikiProjects. Make me sure that you'll think about this and remember cooperative works can do amazing things. Regards Eduemoni^↑talk↓ 13:41, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

curry has been made into sauce[edit]

Hi Mel,

I have just made the entry under Madras Sauce except I wanted to make it under Madras Curry.

Now someone has determined to transliterate the "curry" into "sauce" - I think this is to be culturally arrogant but there may be a good reason I have yet to access.

I do not know how to make the main entry to be "Madras Curry" not "Madras Sauce" otherwise the anarchist in me would have already made the change in the hope that the change would have elicited the reason for the use of the word 'sauce'.

It seems odd for an Aussie to be making this entry but I do love my food, I love the wiki project, the entry was pathetic, and I have a new man renting a room who is a local from Bangalore and likes Madras Curry. I live in a suburb which is multicultural to the extreme and I love it. Every day I am in another country (or a vision of my future country) without a passport.

The entry is still in draft stage but I am sure it is many times better than the two liner of yesterday.

How do I change the 'sauce' to 'curry', and should we?

Warmest regards

Roo

User:TheAlmightyMitch[edit]

This user, whom you blocked indefinitely as a vandal-only account, has posted an unblock-request. I make no comment, except to say that his edit which led to your block was unusually offensive, but merely bring his request to your attention. --Anthony.bradbury^"talk" 10:36, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Netaji Subhas Institute of Technology#Campus Recruitment[edit]

Hi Mel, Care to have a look at the link I out in above. It looked like an advert effort to me and put a tag, but the guy removed it. The problem is that campus recruitment and bandying the name of current, past and potential recruiters and how successful the students are in the industry is a blatant attempt (it seems to me) to attract new students, which is essentially advertisement. Could you have a look?Rueben lys 19:19, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Shanice[edit]

I believe you are the one to have updated Shanice's page with information that her last album sold 70,000 in its opening week. I could've sworn it was previously quoted as 6,000. Which is correct and where is the source? I have also seen suggestion of a new album to be released in 2008, is this also true or is it a hoax?

I look forward to your response.--Seetdeh 22:34, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cut-and-paste[edit]

Hello. I was wondering if you can fix this cut-and-paste edit that this user made. It involves the pages Whatever You Like and Whatever U Like. The contents of the former page was used to create the latter one, resulting in two page histories. Can you fix them? Admc2006 18:03, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind. Admc2006 17:35, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use rationale for Image:Change_of_the_Century.jpg[edit]

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Please help me with a problem user[edit]

Hello Mel, back in May you banned an anonymous user who was disrupting Wikipedia in many forms. Now this person is being a great hindrance to an article I'm watching, and I was wondering if you could please deal with him again. Here is his talk page [9], and here is the history of the article he's disrpupting [10]. As you'll see in the recent history, his attitude is rather hostile, and his insistence on placing copyrighted images in the place of free ones is quite persistent. I promise you when this article is unprotected, he'll be back again. Could you have a word with him? Thank you so much, Googie man 17:26, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned non-free image (Image:The Far East Suite.jpg)[edit]

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Wikiproject:G-Unit Records[edit]

Hi, There is a proposed WikiProject for G-Unit Records.

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See--WikiProject:G-Unit Records

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Song capitalization[edit]

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Hi Mel...Paul Goldberg (drummer) here.[edit]

Hi Mel,

I hope this e-mail find you well, and you are having a great summer!

I tried to send you something to your e-mail address (that you gave me last year), and it is no longer valid.

Please send your new e-mail to me at... pgolddrums@aol.com.

I have some new PICs to send you (for your choosing) to replace the existing one on my myspace profile.

All the Best Always to You, Paul Goldberg

thanks[edit]

Thank you for Myriocin

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Double the Trouble[edit]

I wanted to give you a heads-up I nominated your article for speedy deletion since it would appear to be crystal ballery issue. Wikipedia does not support articles that foresee the future. When the album does come out, and that is the name given to it, an article can be recreated. --Ozgod 14:32, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Help with PIC change for Paul's drummer profile.[edit]

Hi Mel,

I tried to "copy & paiste" a new PIC, so you can change the old PIC on my drummer profile. I sent it to your talk page, (only because your e-mail doesn't work anymore), BUT, it won't work on the talk page for some reason.

Can you please send me your "new e-mail" (for my address book), AND, so I can send the new PIC to you. This is the only way the "copy & paiste" method will work.

>>The previous e-mail you gave me is now invalid.

Thanks very much for your help in this matter. Greatfully Yours, Paul Goldberg

Image:Blue_Highway.jpg[edit]

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welcome[edit]

Hi, just saw your unique welcome message, and I wondered if and how I could use it myself (as I also do alot of welcoming). Thanks VanTucky ^(talk) 02:02, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

and what is your academic philosophy forte, just out of curiosity? VanTucky ^(talk) 02:13, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Eddie Rambeau[edit]

Hello again, hope you are well. As you will see below, I have been in e-mail correspondence with another wiki contributor, who has raised an interesting point. Frankly, I am unsure as to how to reply. Is this 'original research' she is alluding to, or can she use her own article as a reference ? Thoughts please (if you would be so kind),

Derek R Bullamore 13:50, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

++++

Hello Derek,

Thank you so very much for your prompt response and for explaining things to me. I really appreciate your having taken the time to do this. I checked out the page for The Barron Knights - which is very well put together - and I opened the Edit box to see how the references were formatted as you suggested. Since I didn't use any books as my source material but, rather, a magazine article from 1992 and two web pages, I was wondering whether a format such as this one would suffice for the article. Does this look like it would be OK, added right above the External links section?

References[edit]

Goldmine magazine, May 15, 1992 issue (Vol. 18, No. 10) - "Eddie Rambeau" by Maxim W. Furek
Ed Rambeau Biography by John J. Grecco - from the official Ed Rambeau website
His Name is Rambeau - Ed Rambeau interview on Oldies Connection

Another question I have, and this is a bit sticky for me, is that the second webpage I've referenced is actually my own. I interviewed Ed Rambeau for my site, and after I completed the essay and put it online earlier this week, I decided to go ahead and create a Wikipedia entry for Ed, which I'd been planning to do for some time since noting that Bob Crewe, Diane Renay and even the song "Summertime Guy" all have dedicated pages. The first two references I list were my primary sources for writing the essay for my site, in addition to my email interviews with Ed himself which brought a few other facts to light as well as clarified some finer points (such as Dick Biondi being the deejay who broke the news to Ed about his not being allowed to perform "Summertime Guy" on the ABC affiliate). I used the essay alone as my reference when creating the Wikipedia entry, since it had all of the facts I needed in chronological order. However, I don't want to include it as a reference if it could be considered a potential conflict of interest - just like the situation with the song "Summertime Guy," now I think of it! :) I'm perfectly willing to leave it off entirely and just list the first two references, the Goldmine article and the biography on Ed's own web site, and I think I probably should. Do you agree? These two sources contain most of the info that's on the Wikipedia page. The only reason I would even consider including it as a reference is because there are a handful of facts and finer points, as I mention, which don't appear either in Goldmine or in the official bio, and someone might catch that.

I'm very conscientious about this because I don't want to make it look as though I'm trying for any type of self promotion. I won't name names but I know of a couple of singers who actually went in and edited (in one case, even created) their own pages on Wikipedia, to promote their music and concert appearances. I myself would rather err on the side of caution and leave my webpage out of the references, which I'm leaning toward doing. If you agree that it would be better that way, the References above would just cite the Goldmine interview and the bio on Ed's website.

I apologize for this rather rambling message but I'm not as good at explaining myself as I'd like. You, on the other hand, expressed everything brilliantly in your response to me and I'm very grateful.

I will wait to hear back from you before adding the references to Ed's page. Thanks again for your assistance. And I'm going to save your email for - dare I say it? - future Reference. :)

Laura

Derek Bullamore <derekrbullamore@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Dear Laura,

Thank you for your e-mail - there is no need to apologise for creating a "less than perfect" new entry for Wikipedia. Trust me, I have seen plenty that were far worse than your fine effort. I am not a editor, just a Wiki contributor, like yourself, and equally I am far from being an "expert".

If I use the wiki article on The Barron Knights purely as an example, there are two main ways to create a reference. Either by citing a publication (in this case 'British Hit Singles & Albums') by including the following :

^[1]

and then:

References[edit]

^ Roberts, David (2006). British Hit Singles & Albums (19th ed.). London: Guinness World Records Limited. pp. p. 43. ISBN 1-904994-10-5. {{cite book}}: |pages= has extra text (help)

Alternatively, as will probably be the case for your references, simply link to the relevant webpage, by copying and pasting the article's webpage address into the wikipedia article eg:

[11]

Always remembering to enclose the address within the [ and ] brackets. As I say, if you look up The Barron Knights - it does not matter than you do not know who they are (I had never heard of Eddie Rambeau before reading your article) - and then press the edit button, you will see the items I have listed above for cross reference.

Sorry if this is not easy to express in writing. If you have some difficulties, try your best and contact me again. In fact, I may need to contact one or two wiki editor 'friends' of mine to be doubly sure of my facts !

Keep working away - we all live and learn, and your heart is clearly in the right place.

Best wishes,

Derek

Laura Pinto <lpintop@yahoo.com> wrote: Hello Derek,

My name is Laura and I live in the U.S. (Florida). I was the one who created the entry for Eddie Rambeau on Wikipedia, and I apologize for not having had it formatted correctly. Since I'd been meaning to add this entry for the longest time and finally had a chance to do so yesterday, I figured I'd get it online as best I could and then see whether any changes were needed afterward; otherwise I probably would have continued procrastinating forever. Thank you for Wikifying the content - and, again, I'm sorry for the necessity of your doing that. :) I fear that I'm a long ways from being a Wikipedia expert, but I like to contribute a little bit whenever I can and I know that there are editors like yourself who watch out for things such as this. Thanks for doing that.

I have three primary references for the article - two web pages and an article in Goldmine magazine from 1992 - and wanted to ask you how best to add this information to the page. Should I simply create a References section and list them? I apologize for having to ask, but I wanted to make sure I do this properly. Could you please let me know, at your convenience, if it isn't an imposition?

Thanks so very much, Laura Pinto

Faith and rationality[edit]

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{{INA stub}}[edit]

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Hi. I'd like it if you could read and review Preity Zinta some time and let me know if you have any pointers for GA promotion thanks ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^"Talk"? 16:42, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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I had to let you know that your heavy-handed, patronizing salvos in the "backup singers" discussion is quite a display of web-enabled chest-thumping. way to go. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.93.3.252 (talk) 23:55, 18 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Picture change ?[edit]

Hello Mel,

I hope all's well with you, and you're not too bogged down with edits at Wikipedia. The reason I'm writing you here is because your personal e-mail address you gave me at AOL is no longer valid. If you have time, I have a minor request. Could you please change my current photo (on my Wiki profile), and replace it with the one that's on "the top left" of the home page, on my personal website at >>> www.paulgoldbergdrummer.com Thanks very much for this request, and for everything else you've helped me with in the past. Take Care! Ciao, Paul —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.244.42.90 (talk) 22:58, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I lost my set of World book Encyclopedias to Katrina! It was copyrighted around the 70's. It had a brown leather like cover with gilded pages and beautifully colored pages.

I am trying to find a chart the was in it on religions and dates founded. It was half a page long. I can't remember if it was Christian religions or just religions. But if it was half a page long it probably was Christian religions.

Can you help me locate it? I could not find it online. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Clacoste (talk • contribs) 18:21, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Help me find a chart on Christian religions and their founding dates[edit]

I lost my set of World Book Encyclopedias to Katrina. Since then,a cousin gave me her set of The New Book of Knowledge. But it doesn't compare. My set was copyrighted around the 70's. (Maybe 1074) It had a brown cover and gilded pages. It was a beautiful edition.

I am trying to locate a chart on (Christian) religions and the dates they were founded. It was only half a page long, so I think it was Christian religions.

Could you help me locate this? Thanks--Clacoste 18:31, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I just edited my own message.--Clacoste 18:34, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Please step in?[edit]

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However, on a related article (Sai Baba of Shirdi, Kkrystian has been removing reliably sourced information because he does not agree with it, stating that the words "violent" and "uncouth" is the author's POV and thus inadmissible. You can familiarise yourself with that discussion here and here. As Kkrystian has declared on his userpage that he is a devotee of Sathya Sai Baba (and by extension, Shirdi Sai Baba) in his real life, there may be conflict-of-interest issues here. Either way, it seems that editors generally agree that reliably-sourced references should not be removed. Kkrystian had been engaging in an edit war over that issue and was blocked for 24-hours over 3RR here. He refused to discuss the issue on his talk-page or on the article talk-page until after his block, preferring to explain his actions in edit summaries. But it appears that he hasn't learnt much from his 3RR block because he has begun indulging in personal attacks on me over at Talk:Sathya Sai Baba by way of posting URLS that happen to be defamatory against me and which include my surname in the URL title, as well as insinuating that I have ulterior motives for removing a link that is violating WP:EL and contributes nothing to the article.

After I informed Kkrystian on his talk page that he shouldn't be indulging in personal attacks here and that he shouldn't be revealing other people's personal information (even indirectly) here, he simply told me to "get lost". I even tried to refactor the discussion as per WP:RPA#External_links and WP:LINKLOVE here, but I noticed just now that he has restored this link here that is defamatory against me and which includes my surname in the URL title. He is clearly uncivil, personally attacking me in a hostile way, revealing my personal information, and harassing me without any provocation. Do you think that this issue could be treated with a block that I think, by all accounts, is well-deserved?

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Steve jobs - Alumnus Vs Drop out...[edit]

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Conflict at Psychopathy article[edit]

I am not involved, and the topic is not really my area, but there is a conflict at the Psychopathy article. I'm afraid I don't know the ins and outs of Wikipedia well enough to recommend a course of action to those involved (RfC?). Comments such as "You are not making any sense, are you unwell?" sound like a personal attack to me, and it seems that some editors are guarding their POV and not allowing various opposing views. If you have a general recommendation for this kind of situation as well as specific ones for this article, I'd be happy to hear it, as I have encountered this kind of problem elsewhere as well. Thanks. -Do c t orW 13:48, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

==Requesting a favour==[edit]

Hello Mel, I wonder if you can help. I had made some edits to British Raj, wiki linking some articles to Rowlatt Commission and [[Hindu-German Conspiracy (you may not know about these) when these were undone in a very rude and obnoxious manner by User:Fowler&fowler (see Talk:British Raj#World War II). He alleged that I was inserting links to PoV invested articles etc etc and actually also undid some of the wikilinks I had put in (the main articles also had similar references) saying these were PoV articles and deleted the peer reviewed journal articles I had given as references. (See WP:VERIFY which says these are most reliable references in history).I find Fowler's approach not only dishonest (I believe he wishes to suppress everything that doesn't agree with his "Britain was out to save India PoV"), but also (obscurely) supremist. I had earlier invited him to edit the Hindu-German conspiracy article which he never replied to and now alleges is PoV infested. He has time and again argued that the references I have given (mostly academic Journals) are not notable or are unworthy, which betrays a stupendous ignorance for somebody who claims to be a proffessor. I was wondering if there's anything you might suggest.Rueben lys (talk) 03:43, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Padan Plain[edit]

It would be useful to have a third opinion on whether this is in fact the English name for the region drained by the Po. See Talk:Padan Plain. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 19:42, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Ontonagon Michigan article[edit]

Mel,

I just wanted to let you know that the swing bridge that is pictured in your article about Ontonagon Michigan has been removed. It was replaced in 2006.

Thanks,

Tom Ontonagon, MI —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.33.239.155 (talk) 16:07, 17 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Necrokinesis[edit]

Why did you delete the article on Necrokinesis? It is an actual metaphysical ability that involves killing people with nothing more than your mind and reanimating the dead. I can give you plenty of links to established doctors who are researching into this subject and admit that this is a real occult ability. Thus, I request that you restore this article to its former glory.

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Block of 194.80.32.8 (Lancaster University)[edit]

I understand why it was blocked, and I'm not asking for it to be unblocked. However, do you think that the block reason could be changed to make it a bit more clear for users. It should state that the vandalism was by other users at Lancaster University, and that if they want to edit they should register an account. This informations is explained elsewhere on the page, but it should be made more prominent. If the reason that the user is seeing this error is clear, then it is less likely to scare them off. Thanks, Darksun (talk) 18:28, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Cogito ergo sum[edit]

I was thinking of reverting this anon edit, but I don't have a source to cite either way — perhaps you could produce a source/reference for your statement on the talk page and give the issue some finality? ¦ Reisio (talk) 07:15, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Consensus process[edit]

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Count Basie Chronology[edit]

Hi there! I'm wondering if there isn't (and if not, why not) a Basie discography as such. I was just looking at your article on Atomic Basie [12] and tried to follow the 'Chronology' at the bottom of the dialog box top right. But when I got to Basie Swings, Bennett Sings i.e. the next bluelinked item, I found I was in the Tony Bennett chronology instead and couldn't get back to Basie, which was where I needed to be, and follow it forward. I would be most grateful if you could please enlighten me how to follow Basie's albums through. Cheers! Eebahgum (talk) 11:57, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies for troubling you. I now realise that they are collected under a Category. Eebahgum (talk) 22:56, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Disagreement on Supervolcano[edit]

Hello -- I understand you are a helpful, if busy, administrator who sometimes takes an interest in resolving conflicts. I have recently had a difficult time on Supervolcano with an editor named User:‎Black Tusk. We appear to disagree on the term "historic time". When he deleted a small portion of the article, asserting the event was not historic, I reverted as it occrred in the CE and has documented if periphial records in both Rome and China. Then he reverted and requested a source. I restored and found a source and an ex-link summary of that source and included the information in the article. He responded by reverting "AGAIN" and protecting (evidently) the page. I sense a little bit of ownership - perhaps? I have left a message on the talk page. If you have time, could you join the discussion? Thank you. Just me! (talk) 01:35, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like we have resolved our problem. Sorry to disturb you. Just me! (talk) 05:39, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Jazz-L 100 project[edit]

Mel, Looks like you've been away a while, or have left the project completely (I hope the latter is not the case although it has been a year). I just came across your Jazz-L 100 project. I hope you don't mind if I've made a few edits (as it's your sub-page), adding blue links where they exist, adding italics etc. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 22:42, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

CfD nomination of Category:Mariah Carey DVDs and videos[edit]

Kareena Kapoor[edit]

Hi I was wondering if you could give this article a good copy edit and help prepare it for FA. If you have any pointers for improvement please join the peer review. Thanks ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 10:06, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Might take a look[edit]

Hello. Just wondering if you would mind taking a look at a collaborative effort I'm trying to start. Any feedback or ideas would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! DxNate 06:58, 29 Jun 2024 User-Talk-Contribs

Hi Mel,

I wrote most of the article on Madras Sauce, and wanted to change the heading to Madras Curry, but couldn't work out how to do that. i think it was a something called a ClueBot that automatically did the reversion.

It may be appropriate for it to be called Sauce but the reason totally escapes me. It appears to be cultural appropriation to call is Madras Sauce - giving it the Anglicised version of what curry means.

It could be that curry is a word which is culturally sensitive? Hindi not Urdu? And to placate sectional interests the English word is safer. I have no reason to believe such to be true. I have many Indian and Bangladeshi and Pakistani friends who have no issue with the word curry.

I also think that a picture of a bag as found in a supermarket as a picture to depict madras curry is digging at the bottom of the barrel of visual representations, and creates a product which is not a traditional meal.

It is the renaming it to Madras Sauce that most interests me.

I have just done a major revision of Spring - it was highlighted by our local Google because it is the start of Spring in Oz.

I made it less parochial to the US and to the Norhtern Hemisphere. I still need to work on the headings and I forgot to login with my user name for most of the changes! What a nuisence.

Kind regards

Garry (Sydney - Australia) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Garrisonroo (talk • contribs) 14:10, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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