User talk:Melcous/Archive 19

Conflict of interest

You have flagged me for a potential conflict of interest. I have no personal relationship with the person on the page I have just created other than being interested in their work and in criticisms of it. I don't have any relation to any publishers or universities. Wikipedia has a severe lack of information around the current scholarship around Karl Kautsky and I had planned to do further entries of other key historians such as Lars T Lih. I'm confused about what seems to be a hostile approach on the CoI (I don't mean this in a personal sense) to a very factual entry. Lwhite77 (talk) 14:05, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your response Lwhite77. The conflict of interest concern was not specific to that particular article and I have not flagged it there. I did place a COI note on Centaur Media which you created, given your user name + editing history there does raise the question. The message I left on your talk page is a standard template so there is nothing hostile in it. If you do have a connection with that company, could you please disclose that, also noting that if you are paid/employed by them then that is a requirement of wikipedia's terms of use. Thanks Melcous (talk) 01:21, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Conflict of interest tag on RepresentUs

I'm a major contributor to the article. I revamped it from 29K bytes to 89K bytes. I weeded out previous possible COI material and checked the references. The article is in much better shape. So you, adding another COI tag, seems overzealous to say the least. I have never written articles for pay. I am not on the Board of Directors of this organization, and have received no money from them, and never will do so. So if you insist on keeping the COI tag, please explain your reasoning.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 15:42, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Tomwsulcer, WP:COI concerns have been raised at WP:COIN about your editing, and you have not responded with this clear an explanation there, choosing rather to step away from editing for a time, and let the threads go stale. I would suggest that it is there that you need to make these comments, and/or make the proper disclosures on your user page about the articles you have created with which you do clearly have a conflict. Thank you Melcous (talk) 21:07, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

ANI discussion

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Tomwsulcer (talk) 23:51, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		In recognition of your diligence in keeping Wikipedia free of COI, promotion and puffery. Boing! on Tour (talk) 09:58, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, Boing! on Tour! Your diligence in clarifying the issues and patience in explaining them at ANI are also appreciated. I was happy to bow out of the discussion either way, but it has been good to see some of the issues I have found challenging being wrestled with. I also recognise there have been some helpful tips for me in some of the technicalities of how I edit that I will take with me. Thanks, Melcous (talk) 11:43, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Mengly Jandy Quach

Hey Melcous! I noticed your last edit to the page of Mengly Jandy Quach. Please tell me how we can correct what you find biased. As the team manager for communications of our small Khmer Wikipedia community, I am currently preparing a Wikipedia in the classroom project with teachers of the MJQE schools and we started with Mengly Jandy Quach as a starter. You can see my other contributions on Khmer culture as well. I hope you understand the process we are in. Please help us to improve; I am afraid this would otherwise discourage this new Wiki in the classroom project. Thanks. Willuconquer (talk) 17:31, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your message Willuconquer. I have left a notice about paid editing on the talk pages of some of the key editors to that article and other articles that are related (it is not difficult to find their connections off-wiki). If people are editing about their employer, they must properly disclose this - this is not optional, but part of wikipedia's terms of service which everyone who creates an account here agrees to. Until they do so, they should not edit any affected articles further. Once they have done so, they should not edit the articles directly, but rather use the talk page to request changes due to their ongoing conflict of interest. Melcous (talk) 23:46, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Dear Melcous, Wikipedia is very new for Cambodians and I just started to write the articles several months ago. I still have many things to learning. Of course, I work for this company but I'm not paid for writing it. Hpisseth (talk) 10:07, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Hpisseth if you work for the company, then you very clearly have a Conflict of Interest here and you need to comply with those guidelines. It may also be that you fall under the definition of a paid editor, see specifically where it says "Users who are compensated for any publicity efforts related to the subject of their Wikipedia contributions are deemed to be paid editors". Please ensure that you and other editors are complying with these guidelines, which includes not directly editing articles where you have a conflict of interest, but using the talk page to request changes instead. Melcous (talk) 11:26, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you Melcous Hpisseth (talk) 02:28, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you

It is too bad that Tomwsulcer chose to leave Wikipedia rather than discuss the issues with pages he edited. Thanks for all you've done. Polycarpa aurata (talk) 04:05, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Polycarpa aurata, and thanks for sharing your perspective calmly as well - it's not fun to get caught up in ANI drama. And thanks for your editing, and some of the clean up you have started to do - this was a doozy!. Happy editing. Melcous (talk) 06:11, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Reedsy

I was just about to stub the article, as it is entirely written as promotion/marketing. Either that or AFD. Do you think it's worth trying to save in its current state? Boing! on Tour (talk) 08:53, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Boing! on Tour yes I agree, from an initial look, it's hard to see what is salvageable from it in its current state. Did you see there was a previous deletion discussion 18 months before it was created? I'm happy to leave it with you for now - either stub or AfD. Thanks Melcous (talk) 08:54, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Ah, I hadn't seen the previous AFD - I'll take a look at that and then think about what to do. Boing! on Tour (talk) 08:55, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

I've gone for AFD. Even if I stubbed it, all that would be left would essentially be an "X is a thing" stub with no real value. Boing! on Tour (talk) 09:08, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Oh, and in the previous AFD, look who argued passionately for its retention ;-) Boing! on Tour (talk) 09:10, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Biographies of slightly dead persons

• Special:Diff/1075745142
• Roland B. Scott#Further reading

Ironically, turning up the article by "Carl Pochedly of the American Journal of Pediatric Hematology/Oncology" reveals that rather than the expression of "gratitude and admiration" it is a 1985 full biography of the subject, possibly a source for the 2002 obituaries, and actually more detailed than the 2002 obituaries are, having the stuff about chemistry that you couldn't find in the Washington Post's obituary. Why on Earth it was only alluded to and not cited like the obituaries were escapes me.

Uncle G (talk) 10:29, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Human Rights Measurement Initiative

Please stop removing this content. Its a respectable independent academic organisation. By all means reorganise the article. Rathfelder (talk) 22:49, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

I left a message on your talk page at the same time as you left this Rathfelder - happy to discuss here or there, but even though it is a respected organisation, I do not believe the way the editor is going about adding the links is appropriate or useful for the encyclopedia. Melcous (talk) 22:52, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

There is so little material about health in these small poor countries we should hold on to whatever we can get. By all means reorganise them, but this is verifiable independent information. Rathfelder (talk) 22:55, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

And yes the refencing needs improvement.Rathfelder (talk) 22:58, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

And perhaps we need someone not involved with the organisation. I'm quite happy to put a bit of work in to rescue this stuff. Rathfelder (talk) 23:00, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

That would be great Rathfelder! As you've said, I think it needs to be properly referenced, and also much better integrated into the articles rather than copy-pasted at the top of them. I also wonder why there isn't an article on the HRMI itself, if it is that useful. Thanks Melcous (talk) 23:06, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

I thought I might start with that. Rathfelder (talk) 07:30, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

• I've sent the HRMI a message about User:Emilyhdsn. Can we leave all her stuff until I get a reply? I think I could cope with them better if they understood how to do it properly. Rathfelder (talk) 10:18, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Sam Brown article

Melcous, that helps a lot. Truly. Thank you. From your explanation I can see why the article needs to be re-written and also needs to have more sourced cited. For me, something as innocuous as “door to door” doesn’t seem that bad to write, but if someone hasn’t watched all of the interviews or seen his Facebook or read his Twitter feed, then it would be hard to justify “door to door.” It comes off the wrong way (and I need to provide plenty more citations). I will pull down the article and work a rewrite focusing on the constructive feedback given here. Thank you. This makes sense now. (And I will read WP:V and WP:NPOV. Thank you! X72153 (talk) 02:11, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello

Dear concern actually, I'm new to Wikipedia but I'm still learning — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tanimul887 (talk • contribs) 15:08, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi Tanimul887, I don't know what you are referring to, as this is your first edit with this account. Melcous (talk) 06:03, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Admin's Barnstar
	A thank you for your work, it does not go unnoticed, especially dealing with COI edits; you have my (belated) support for your efforts. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 00:29, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Updates to Epos Now page

Hello Melcous. I have been trying to update Epos Now page with more detailed and accurate information. However, the content keeps reverting back to information that is inaccurate. How can this be resolved? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tilliedee5 (talk • contribs) 11:15, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your message Tilliedee5. There have been a few issues with the edits. The first question is whether you have a connection with the company and/or founder - if you can please read the Conflict of interest guidelines and respond to that question. If you do have a conflict, you are requested to use the article's talk page to request changes rather than editing it directly. Regardless, the other core policies that need to be abided by are that all content needs to be written neutrally and with reliable secondary sources to verify it. Also, links to external sites should not be included within articles. Thank you Melcous (talk) 13:26, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi Melcous,

Thanks very much for getting back to me on this! We've now changed the copy to adhere to the guidelines. I'd like to request a change to the below:

Epos Now

Epos Now is a global payments and cloud-based software provider that sells electronic point of sale (EPOS) systems and integrated payments solutions. The company was founded in 2011 by Jacyn Heavens who also serves as the CEO of the company.

Epos Now operates in the United Kingdom, Ireland, the United States, Mexico, Australia, New Zealand, Spain and Canada, servicing over 51,000 retail and hospitality businesses.

History

Epos Now was founded by Jacyn Heavens in 2011, with its headquarters in Norwich, England [1], to provide point-of-sale and e-commerce software to retail and hospitality businesses. The company also has offices in Orlando, Florida [2]. It provides services to 51,000 retail and hospitality businesses worldwide. The company was founded with no external funding [3].

Awards

• Epos Now’s Nowpay Pro+ system was awarded silver in Award International’s 2022 UK Business and Innovation Awards for the Best Product Innovation [4].
• In 2022, Epos Now’s partnership with Sustainably Run won gold in Award International’s UK Business and Innovation Awards for the Best Sustainability Innovation [5].
• Epos Now was noted as 'Best SaaS Product for small business/SMBs[6] in the 2017 SaaS Awards.
• Epos Now was recognized for their commitment to the professional development of their employees winning a Princess Royal Training Award in 2017.[7]
• The company was named 30th fastest growing company in 2016's Deloitte Fast 50 with a growth of 597%.[9] Epos Now was named 179th fastest growing tech company in the Deloitte 2016 Fast 500 EMEA.
• Epos Now was named Europe's 46th fastest growing company in the Financial Times 1000 listing.[10]
• Epos Now won three Eastern Daily Press Business Awards in 201611] in the categories of; Employer of the Year, Tech Innovator of the year and Business of the Year sponsored by Barclays.
• Epos Now was named Gold Stevie Award winners for The International Business Awards as "The Most Innovative company of the Year 2016".[12]
• On 21 April 2016, it was announced the Epos Now had won a Queen's Award for Enterprise in the Innovation category.[13]
• In 2015, Epos Now was awarded 'Epos Innovation of the Year' by Retail Systems [14].

Tilliedee5 (talk) 15:28, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Tilliedee5 - however, these requests need to go on the article's talks page (Talk:Epos Now) rather than here. Thanks Melcous (talk) 22:22, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Edits to Hon. Cynthia Baldwin's bio

Melcous, I have been notified and now have seen your removal of Honorary Degrees and Awards that Justice Baldwin has garnered. I have reviewed numerous other similar mentions with regards to famous and/or accomplished people. Rarely, if ever, is there a citation with regards to honorary degrees or awards. I might be incorrect but it seems as though an inconsistent standard is being applied. Are you able to show me any number of examples where the honorary degrees are cited. Otherwise, the mentions of the awards and the degrees need to be replaced. I appreciate the work you perform for Wiki but even if there is a standard, it would seem to be the exception and not the rule. If it is not being applied across the board then it should not be applied here. Not to mention, most given honorary degrees and awards might not be widely publicized. It also seems to be a serious overreaction to otherwise innocuous and accurate additions to her bio. Please advise. Thanks in advance for your careful consideration and review of similar bios. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Huggylaw (talk • contribs) 20:30, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

I apologize for any terseness. I am increasingly frustrated at edits or removal of information that I commonly see in other bios without reference. Additionally, if someone ca thoughtfully explain how honorary degrees can be cited for most of the population (leaving out Presidents, other Heads of State, actors and Famous musicians), I would like to know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Huggylaw (talk • contribs) 20:40, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your message Huggylaw. As I noted on your talk page, you have indicated that you have a conflict of interest with this subject, meaning that you are asked to use the article's talk page to request edits rather than editing it directly. As to your questions, any content needs to be verifiable by reference to reliable, independent, secondary sources. If such sources do not exist, then the content should not be included. As for what other articles do or don't have, please see WP:OSE - i.e. that is never a valid argument here. The core guidelines of wikipedia should be followed. (However in my experience, most articles here about academics who have honorary degrees do include citations for such). Melcous (talk) 22:28, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

COI flag

Hi Melcous, Thank you for helping to improve the article I created on Woodrow McClain Parker. In response to the COI flag you placed on the article, I am not related to, nor do I have a close connection with the subject. I have read and been impressed by the experiences contained in his memoir. Details about the subject's childhood experiences and personal life are verifiable and have now been referenced with citations. I believe the article is particularly notable because there are very few credentialed, accomplished African American multicultural counseling experts born during or prior to the Jim Crow period of racial segregation in the United States. Victor C. Bolling (talk) 21:20, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your message Victor C. Bolling. Could you please explain how you are the copyright holder of the three photos in the article if you do not have a connection to the subject? You have uploaded them to Commons claiming that they are your "own work". If that is not the case, then there may be a copyright violation issue. Thank you Melcous (talk) 22:58, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply Melcous. After deciding to create an article for W.M. Parker and subsequently gaining a better understanding of Wikipedia's policy regarding uploaded images, I conducted several internet searches and found an old University of Florida email address associated with the subject. I emailed a request and received a reply and later photos from the subject's wife. To mitigate any copyright issues, I have emailed the owner (Sylvia Parker) and requested that she provide a written statement transferring rights of the photos to me. Victor C. Bolling (talk) 23:30, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for clarifying. There does seem to be a copyright issue that needs to be resolved. I would also suggest that if you are in direct contact with the subject's wife, then you could be seen to have at least the appearance of a conflict of interest and would encourage you to read through the guidelines and edit accordingly. Melcous (talk) 01:19, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Notability tag on page

Hi Melcous, New user here. I see a notability tag on the one page I recently edited. I believe that the person in question - Sudarshan Venu, is a young (early 30s)and dynamic business leader from India and is someone whose actions I do follow diligently. As far as notability from media / news worthiness is concerned a quick Google search delivered over 13,000 news articles about him from well established mainstream media with multiple secondary sources that are reliable and intellectually independent. Times of India, Business Today, Mint, The Financial Express and Forbes India are amongst most reputed and independent news organisations of the country and have covered him. List of News He is leading one of the biggest 2 wheeler manufacturing companies in India, which recently acquired UK's iconic Norton Motorcycles. Please let me if the tag can be removed or elaborate on your concerns.Swabn (talk) 21:11, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

Why did you delete Sahil Ji Maharaj Article

The Article have all authentic Sources 2409:4054:2089:8657:EB9C:728A:D6E6:E604 (talk) 13:07, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

The article was not written neutrally and did not clearly establish that the subject was notable. I moved it to WP:DRAFT, where it can be worked on and then submitted for review using the WP:AFC process. Melcous (talk) 13:08, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

Gordon Reid

Thanks for writing the Gordon Reid (politician) bio. I could not find a reference for his year of birth in your article and have thus removed it. It is critical that we only publish birth details for living people if there are reliable sources available for it. Please make sure that you adhere to WP:BLPPRIVACY. Schwede66 02:39, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

Schwede66 there are two sources that give his age, which together make his birth year clear, but I acknowledge that combining the two sources could be considered WP:OR, so I have put a single reference with the two possible birth years from it. Melcous (talk) 07:33, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

No, doing simple maths isn’t OR. I looked at the source at the end of the sentence and could not see anything about age. It’s possible I overlooked it. I suggest you put both references there. There are age templates available for calculating birth years. Say you use each reference to compute the results. The overlap of the results gives you the answer; that’s not OR. Schwede66 18:06, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

Schwede66 ok. The source currently (from Sept 2021) there says "29 year old", I will add a source from May 2022 that also says "29 year old", meaning he must have been born in 1992. Melcous (talk) 22:51, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

New Page Patrol newsletter May 2022

New Page Review queue March 2022

Hello Melcous,

At the time of the last newsletter (No.26, September 2021), the backlog was 'only' just over 6,000 articles. In the past six months, the backlog has reached nearly 16,000, a staggering level not seen in several years. A very small number of users had been doing the vast majority of the reviews. Due to "burn-out", we have recently lost most of this effort. Furthermore, several reviewers have been stripped of the user right for abuse of privilege and the articles they patrolled were put back in the queue.

Several discussions on the state of the process have taken place on the talk page, but there has been no action to make any changes. The project also lacks coordination since the "position" is vacant.

In the last 30 days, only 100 reviewers have made more than 8 patrols and only 50 have averaged one review a day. There are currently 819 New Page Reviewers, but about a third have not had any activity in the past month. All 859 administrators have this permission, but only about a dozen significantly contribute to NPP.

This means we have an active pool of about 450 to address the backlog. We cannot rely on a few to do most of the work as that inevitably leads to burnout. A fairly experienced reviewer can usually do a review in a few minutes. If every active reviewer would patrol just one article per day, the backlog would very quickly disappear.

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Nomination of Karin Huffer for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Karin Huffer is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Karin Huffer until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.

Banks Irk (talk) 20:23, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Concerning sandbox article deletion

Hi Melcous, I came to know that my sandbox article was deleted for unambiguous advertising, thank you for pointing out any discrepancy in my article. May I know which all elements of the content was responsible for it. I am new to Wikipedia, and might have limited understanding, hence I wish to make amends to that article. I request you to restore the article so I may make the necessary changes to it. Your help would be greatly appreciated. RegardsFauxPriest1997 (talk) 16:35, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi Melcous, I am yet to get a reply from you regarding my sandbox article being deleted, I request you to notify me what the issue is so I may fix it.FauxPriest1997 (talk) 11:19, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

FauxPriest1997 I did not delete your sandbox article, and I do not have the ability to restore it. You can read WP:NPOV and WP:PROMO to find out more about the issues that would have led to an administrator making the decision to delete it. Melcous (talk) 12:56, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi Melcous, thank you for notifying me, much appreciated.FauxPriest1997 (talk) 09:06, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Nikolai Bogduk

Please explain rationale for the like a resume notice. As the creator of the page, I am not that person nor have I ever met them. I followed the outline of other Australian medical academic pages. As it is not a resume I have removed the notice. InnerCitadel (talk) 06:04, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

InnerCitadel, the reason for the maintenance template is that the article is written like a resume rather than an encyclopedia article. It is literally a list of achievements, publications, and awards. It should be a biography, primarily written in prose. Even the first line, should start with the person's nationality and general occupation, not their current or former positions/workplaces. The tag has nothing to do with whether you have a conflict of interest, but thank you for clarifying that. As the creator of the page, you should not remove maintenance templates without improving the article to address the issue flagged. Melcous (talk) 09:14, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

MelcousCan you show me an example Australian medical academic biographic article about what you mean? If you mean about the person's personal life I have not been able to find any information about that. Regarding the lists I carefully read through several other Australian medical academic articles and modeled it closely on them. Regarding occupation, he is retired, I have added that word to clarify matters. Regarding nationality the first line already says that he is Australian. InnerCitadel (talk) 01:31, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

InnerCitadel, it's not really an article. There are two paragraphs of text, but they mostly summarize the rest of the content. Also, no need to ping an editor on their own talk page--would have saved me an edit conflict. Drmies (talk) 01:35, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

InnerCitadel, well for starters you have listed a whole bunch of degrees in the infobox. You should therefore be able to include a paragraph about his education, writing in prose which institutions he attended when and which qualifications he received. (If you cannot find that information, then it should not be included in the infobox). There should also be a prose section about his career, neutrally written, that says more than the one line in the opening paragraph.Melcous (talk) 02:33, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Degrees

Hey, when you remove a post-nominal like "DD" from the lead, could you please add an explanatory sentence somewhere in the body of the article: e.g. "He received the degree of Doctor of Divinity (DD)." 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 06:44, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi Ficaia, there would need to be a source provided in order to do so, and in most cases I have not seen this (or it is already there). I can take your request on board, but the onus is really on those who want to include the information to do so properly. Cheers Melcous (talk) 09:14, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

New Page Patrol newsletter June 2022

New Page Review queue June 2022

Hello Melcous,

Backlog status

At the time of the last newsletter (No.27, May 2022), the backlog was approaching 16,000, having shot up rapidly from 6,000 over the prior two months. The attention the newsletter brought to the backlog sparked a flurry of activity. There was new discussion on process improvements, efforts to invite new editors to participate in NPP increased and more editors requested the NPP user right so they could help, and most importantly, the number of reviews picked up and the backlog decreased, dipping below 14,000 at the end of May.

Since then, the news has not been so good. The backlog is basically flat, hovering around 14,200. I wish I could report the number of reviews done and the number of new articles added to the queue. But the available statistics we have are woefully inadequate. The only real number we have is the net queue size.

In the last 30 days, the top 100 reviewers have all made more than 16 patrols (up from 8 last month), and about 70 have averaged one review a day (up from 50 last month).

While there are more people doing more reviews, many of the ~730 with the NPP right are doing little. Most of the reviews are being done by the top 50 or 100 reviewers. They need your help. We appreciate every review done, but please aim to do one a day (on average, or 30 a month).

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Regarding recent removal of content on Mark Ward (theologian)

Hey there Melcous. I'm just a little confused as to the rationale behind your recent edits to Mark Ward (theologian). You removed Ward's PhD credential, even though Bob Jones University is an accredited institution in the United States. I'm also unsure as to why you removed a lot of correctly cited content derived from secondary sources.

Thanks for your time. VistaSunset (talk) 09:40, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

VistaSunset, as noted in my edit summaries, I removed "PhD" from the infobox because the parameter "alma mater" is for institutions, not qualifications; and I removed the other content because it does not appear to be encyclopaedically notable - a biography should be a reliably sourced account of a person's life and work, whereas much of what was there were simply comments he had made. For example, the quote about the Dead Sea Scrolls was the kind of thing many people have said, and there was no explanation why him making that remark is inherently notable. Similarly, why are his opinions on which Bible translation is preferable to another particularly notable? I would suggest there should be an attempt made to outline what his own notable contributions to academia or theology are, which would be the kind of content that should be included in a biography. Melcous (talk) 09:51, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

New article review

Hi Melcous, I noticed a newly created article, Seungri's Case and Scandal, that you have made some edits to, due to a change in a Redirect that I had created, here: [1]. The editor for the new article failed to (perhaps deliberately) link it to an existing older article Burning Sun scandal, which you might not be aware of. I also created and worked extensively on the older article and consider it might cause a conflict if I make any edits or suggestions to the new page. If you could look over the two pages and see what you think needs to be done to avoid duplication on WP? Also for your reference, in the past, some attempts were made to rewrite the history of the case (seemingly to put Seungri in a more favorable light) and Administrator Explicit removed edits on the older article's Talk page and reverted edits on the article page pertaining to it, [2]. I pinged Explicit in case they also wish to review the newer article. Thanks for your attention. Bonnielou2013 (talk) 11:28, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Bonnielou2013. I came across the article because it was tagged as a new user moving a large article out of user space without any review. I don't know anything about the topic, but the article seems to me to have a number of problems, duplication potentially being one of them (excessive detail and non-neutral POV perhaps being others). One option would be for it to be moved to DRAFTS so time can be spent working through these issues? If you and Explicit can have a look and see what you think that would be great. Melcous (talk) 11:34, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for you immediate response. As an involved editor, I hesitate to suggest anything, hopefully Explicit will respond and help you decide. Bonnielou2013 (talk) 11:42, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi Melcous, thank you for reviewing my article and identifying potential problems. I acknowledge that the article contains excessive detail and I was about to take steps to improve it, but due to its sudden removal by Explicit and Ingenuity, I believe I wasn't given a fair chance to do so. Though Bonnielou2013 and Explicit have suggested that there might be duplication with the existing Burning Sun scandal article, after looking over the contents of both, I don't understand how they came to this conclusion. Though Seungri as an individual is loosely connected to the Burning Sun club, his actual case (as in the charges brought to court) are barely related at all and there is no reason for the two topics to be considered exactly the same. After asking multiple times why they believe my article is a duplicate, both Explicit and Ingenuity have failed to offer up a proper explanation about why they believe this is the case. Instead of having my article removed entirely, I believe I am deserving of a proper explanation and at least a fair chance of improving my article. Thank you. Lemon Orange28 (talk) 21:26, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Lemon Orange28, both editors have engaged with you. I can only reiterate their comments - you can either discuss this on the existing article's talk page, or you can work on a new article in draftspace and then submit it for review through the WP:AFC process. Note, it was not "your" article, and you do have the chance to improve something by working on a draft, but wikipedia works by consensus and multiple experienced editors have agreed that the article as it was is not helpful. Melcous (talk) 00:43, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello, thanks for your reply! I apologize for my incorrect terminology above. Your suggestion to work on the article in drafts is very reasonable and I will consider taking this route instead! Thank you! Lemon Orange28 (talk) 01:08, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

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A question & a potential offer/request from Montreal

Good morning Melcous,

You have recently made a few (legitimate) cuts to the article dedicated to my employer—the Founder of a nonprofit with activities across Canada and the US, dedicated to reaching gender parity, diversity, and inclusion in the workplace. You also added

and

tags to her page—again, very legitimately! So I'm not being critical here, all this is just to say that these "revisions" are what brought you to my attention :)

I am currently part of her organization's Communication team, and we are hoping to work with a professional, rigourous, experienced Wikimedian to bring her current "stub" to an actual article. This process was already done in French—a collaboration that was publicly disclosed, free of "conflicts of interest", and where we provided information/sources to support the Wikimedian's independant editorial work... We are now looking for a new collaborator to complete the same process in English.

The large number of articles listed on your user page and your "WikiProject Women in Red" banner led me to believe that perhaps this is a mandate you could be interested in? If not, would you be able to direct me to a fellow Wikimedian who would?

Thank you in advance for your time and consideration. Kindest wishes from the other end of the world! 174.89.253.49 (talk) 19:07, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Dear Melcous,

A friendly reminder of the message just above. Would you kindly let me know that you read it? And if you are not interested in assisting us, perhaps you could direct us to a fellow Wikimedian?

Deepest thanks. 76.67.213.206 (talk) 15:59, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the prompt to reply. Sorry, no I'm not interested in assisting. Thanks, Melcous (talk) 20:44, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

María S. (Marisol) vs Marisol S. Soengas

In this edit you changed the name in María Soengas from María S. (Marisol) Soengas to Marisol S. Soengas. Now I know nothing about her except what I read there and did a quick search on the web, but I have not found "Marisol S. Soengas" anywhere, it is either María S. Soengas or Marisol Soengas. Also, my Spanish isn't great, but our article Marisol says "a shortened form of María de la Soledad". Unless you have reason to believe otherwise, I suspect that is her name, so either María S. or Marisol, but Marisol S. would be strictly incorrect. Agree? --GRuban (talk) 15:53, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi GRuban and thanks for raising this. I think my intention in that edit was consistency, both throughout the article and with the article title, which it seems I mistakenly thought was Marisol rather than Maria. Yes, agree it needs to be only one or the other, and that from a quick view of the sources (including the linked publications where the CiteQ template twice uses Marisol but the actual article uses Mafia S or MS), Maria S seems to be more common. Happy for you to change. Thanks Melcous (talk) 13:43, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

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Darshan Ashwin Trivedi

You have marked BLP sources to the page "Darshan Ashwin Trivedi". I have added more details with the proper citation and additional information. Can you review the page again and remove the BLP sources if the page is having needed citation and information?

Appreciate for your contribution. Njoy deep (talk) 10:47, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks

I didn't mention it at the time, but your edits to the Andrea Hickey article a few weeks ago certainly helped. -- James26 (talk) 06:39, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Undid your edit on Boilermakers Union page

Hi there! I undid your edit on the International Brotherhood of Boilermakers page. The links to the collections listed on that page were dead due to a server change, so I replaced them with the new active links. This is a minor edit that is meant to aid researchers seeking more material about the topic. Please do not change it again, the old links will lead to an error page. Our collections are free to use and fully open to the public, and we do not make any money off of people using them or viewing our website. LaborArchWA (talk) 19:05, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

LaborArchWA You have been asked to properly disclose your WP:COI/WP:PAID editing, and until you do so, you should not be editing affected articles. I would also suggest any linking to websites related to your COI/employment can be considering WP:SPAMing, and so again, best practice is to request changes on the talk page rather than directly editing the article. It is irrelevant whether you are making money or are a free and altruistic service, the same rules apply. Melcous (talk) 10:16, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

I added the payment disclosure and took out the sections from the citations that link our website (I do not think this constitutes a conflict of interest or spamming because it is meant to help people find additional resources for their research, not to self-promote, but I will comply with the rules). The only thing I have changed from the original is links to the collections' finding aids. Please do not change this again, the old finding aid links are outdated and lead to an error page. The original links were added by a different user, and I am simply just trying to update them so they are accurate again. It is not a conflict of interest, it is a public service. If you have any additional questions, please do not hesitate to ask. LaborArchWA (talk) 19:05, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

LaborArchWA thank you for complying with the guidelines. Conflict of interest applies here regardless of how noble the cause being furthered, or how much of a public service it is. Rather it is about having an external relationship with something you are editing about, which you do. If you think something is inaccurate, please use the article's talk page to request another editor review your suggestion and update it if appropriate. Melcous (talk) 12:14, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

Appreciation for your edits

Melcous Thank you so much for your valuable time in making a positive edit on Ralph Nwosu It adds a great value.! But noticed it wasn't reviewed or patrol. Thanks & regards Princek2019 (talk) 20:27, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

Melcous Re: Appreciation For your edits. High regards. Princek2019 (talk) 15:55, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

ANI mention

Hi, Melcous! I mentioned your name at ANI, in the thread Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:Donovanjustin, Salve Regina University. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 19:25, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

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XOR (video game)

[[3]] needs a link to the most relevant XOR site for experience with its identity and play. An "External link" "Internet version XOR at https://rvvz.home.xs4all.nl/xor/ by Rob Veldhuyzen van Zanten" seems, to me, to agree with the Exteranl Links Guide. What is your advise ? Anybody may evaluate the given opportunity to play XOR and remark it in the XOR article. Rvvz (talk) 19:25, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Rvvz, given your apparent conflict of interest, my advice is to use the talk page to suggest the addition of the link and explain why you think it is relevant and beneficial for the purposes of the encyclopedia, and allow other editors to decide. (Personally, I do not agree that it is). But you should not add links to any site you have a connection with. Melcous (talk) 20:26, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

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"Toi" by Esther Granek and "My Mind is a Stranger Without You" by A.R. Rahman

Hello,

I've seen you deleted my additional sentence.

Please explain, when do you accept that copyright infringement has been done? Do you require a court verdict? Supreme court verdict? In which country? That may take years. Isn't Wikipedia supposed to report the truth? Or at least show the other side of the truth?

Kindly check the "Talk" of the page, I wrote a detailed comparison. No lawyer will be able to prove the opposite, even not the "million dollar" lawyers of the record companies.

Talk:The Hundred-Foot Journey (soundtrack)

Note also the number of music apps that added Esther Granek as a writer on their own copy (in small letters though):

https://www.jiosaavn.com/lyrics/my-mind-is-a-stranger-without-you-from-the-hundred-foot-journeyoriginal-motion-picture-soundtrack-lyrics/GzkNQzZXfAM

https://lyricshub.ru/en/track/A-R-Rahman-feat-Solange-Merdinian-2/My-Mind-Is-a-Stranger-Without-You

https://www.shazam.com/track/144064994/my-mind-is-a-stranger-without-you

https://www.songtexte.com/songtext/ar-rahman/my-mind-is-a-stranger-without-you-1b76add4.html

https://musikguru.de/solange-merdinian/songtext-my-mind-is-a-stranger-without-you-812549.html

Rgranek (talk) 14:10, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Rgranek as noted briefly in my edit summary, wikipedia requires content to be referenced to reliable independent secondary sources and cannot accept original research (which is what an editor providing a comparison between two sets of lyrics is). So you would need to provide an independent, secondary source that actually says that the lyrics have been taken from that poem for it to be included in the article. Melcous (talk) 00:08, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Dear Melcous,

Thank you for your careful editing.

I hold a document (a screen-print), received from Universal Music Group, stating that they have registered the song with 50% share of copyright to Esther Granek. As mentioned, the lyrics in French are taken from the poem "Toi" by Esther Granek without a copyright permission.

Thus, in fact, the information in Wikipedia, stating Solange Merdinian and A.R. Rahman as the sole writers of the song "My mind is a stranger without you", is itself a violation of copyrights.

I believe I uploaded the above confirmation document but cannot find it in the Wiki docs.

Sincerely,

Rony Granek

son and heir of Esther Granek Rgranek (talk) 13:07, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Supporting Malicious Slander - Nahid Angha

I have made a good faith effort to update MY ARTICLE which was completely deleted in June and replaced by poorly referenced content with untrue and defamatory statements which are not supported by the editors own references. I have stated this in the talk section and waited for response. BLP standards allow me to remove this content IMMEDIATELY and yet you insist on restoring it...This seems to make you a partner in vandalism and maliciousness. Explain yourself. DBlakeRoss (talk) 04:40, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

DBlakeRoss as I noted in my edit summary, you made one single large edit, in which you introduced numerous issues into the article (including unsourced content, styles that go against the WP:MOS, a list of lectures given which is not notable) as well as not addressing the issues that had been flagged with the article. My suggestion again is that you try to make smaller edits, addressing key issues one at a time, which is far less likely to be reverted and can be worked on collaboratively with other editors which is how this project works. Please also note that this is in no way "YOUR" article. Melcous (talk) 12:31, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

FYI: re Nicola Spurrier

wp:EWN#User:49.178.160.86 reported by User:Adakiko (Result: ) Cheers Adakiko (talk) 19:54, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

regarding wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruno_Zumbo

Regarding : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruno_Zumbo Dear Melcous, we have made every effort to revise the Wikipedia entry as you requested. We added additional links as you requested. We also corrected a few grammatical errors that were created in during the wiki editor's changes. We hope that this now meets your requirements. 206.12.46.151 (talk) 00:33, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

• You have not made very good efforts, I'm sorry to say. Also, there is no "we", and you need to declare your COI. Drmies (talk) 00:40, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

  I do not understand why your being so antagonistic. It certainly does not reflect the spirit of Wikipedia editors. The page has been greatly revised over the last few days and is greatly improved.

  We are trying our best. 206.12.46.151 (talk) 00:44, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

I encourage you to slow down, read some of wikipedia's guidelines, and discuss things with other editors. Please read the Conflict of Interest and Paid Editing guidelines and make the appropriate disclosures requested and required by them. The best thing you can do is use the article's talk page to discuss any concerns with other editors rather than continuing to make edits to the main encyclopedia that are resume like, promotional, not independently sourced or not neutrally written. Thank you Melcous (talk) 01:57, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Remove tags

Can you check the article Alex James (professor) again. Links and writing that may rely excessively on sources too closely associated with the subject have been removed and new sources have been added. So, I think this tag may not stay here.~ AbuSayeed (talk) 02:07, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

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I have unreviewed a page you curated

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Silvia Gold

Hello, Melcous,

In a Village Pump proposal from earlier this year, it was decided that it's no longer appropriate to move older articles from main space to Draft space. The proposal was arguing that "recently created" should be considered to be 90 days old or younger but I think of it as applying only to articles created in the past 6 months. Another editor reverted your draftification but I thought I'd come and explain why.

Any way, I hope you are having a restful weekend! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:50, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Liz, yes understand - I think I actually missed that of the 3 articles the editor had created, 2 were brand new but one was a few years old. Cheers, Melcous (talk) 04:23, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Eora

re Eora, Treatment of Women . What do you mean "Not in keeping with the rest of the article"? We learn nothing from history if we sanitise it. Robw49 (talk) 08:25, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Robw49 it may be that some content on the topic can and should be included in the article, but what you inserted was not in keeping with the rest of the article in that it was a separate heading about a specific topic, with two quotes from primary sources and no explanation or secondary sources. The topic would need to be properly integrated, and written in the same style and tone as the rest of the article. I suggest you go to the article's talk page and propose that something about the topic be included, and work with other editors to come to a consensus on what and how. At the very least, you would need independent, secondary sources that comment on the significance of the issue, rather than just including quotes from sources at the time with no explanation. Melcous (talk) 10:13, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

It appears this topic is not in keeping with the curated 'tone' you want to project. I have no particular interest in the Eora. I came across these descriptions of Eora "culture" researching other topics that do interest me and believe they are relevant to understanding the nature of the people that lived around the harbour at the time of the european invasion and had escaped mention wikipedia articles. They are not random comments. but observations by reliable objective witnesses as can be seen from links I've included to their wikipedia pages and entries in the Australian Dictionary of Biography. I added nothing to the quotes as I believe they are self explanatory. However , as you suggested, I looked for secondary sources and came across these articles:

https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/bennelong-papers/2013/05/yabbered-to-death-part-i/

https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/bennelong-papers/2013/05/the-long-bloody-history-of-aboriginal-violence/

https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/bennelong-papers/2013/05/a-blacked-out-past-part-iii/

https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/bennelong-papers/2013/05/when-the-horrific-is-mundane-part-iv/

Reading them totally crushed me, but convinced me to restore "Treatment of women" to the page one last time. The mistreated women, like Bennelong's wife, should not not be forgotten. Robw49 (talk) 12:09, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

There is nothing I have said or done that suggests I want to "project a curated tone". Wikipedia has certain guidelines and a manual of style for all articles. As I have now said multiple times, I agree that it is likely something about this topic should be included in the article. But inserting original sources with no context or integration into the article is not the way to go about it. As I have also suggested about, the place to discuss this is on the article's talk page, where editors can discuss and come to consensus. Please make your suggestions there, and comment on content, not other editors. Thank you Melcous (talk) 22:51, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Gaslighting other editors

Hello,

I do hope all is well. Your comments pertaining to my edits on the topic of William Bishop, and your online behaviour, are all a strong instance of highly manipulative gaslighting. You have been reported. Please stop harassing editors.

Kind Regards,

J.H. JohnEricHiggs (talk) 16:28, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello Melcous,

I think I see the problem now. If you are looking for something wrong you will find it. It's called a self-fulfilling prophesy. Please don't take editors of biographies in Bad Faith.

All the Best JohnEricHiggs (talk) 19:43, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Armaghan Muawiyah is relevant. Magnatyrannus (talk | contribs) 22:07, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

I’m not sure you know what gaslighting means, and as far as I can see you have not reported me anywhere, but have yourself been reported to various noticeboards by various editors concerned with various aspects of your editing. A discussion has been held to reach community consensus regarding the article, and this was conducted in good faith. You were invited to participate in the discussion and chose not to. It is clear that the subject of the article does not meet Wikipedia’s notability criteria. There is really nothing else to discuss. Melcous (talk) 09:12, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Three years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:10, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

David Schmidtz entry

Not sure I am posting on the correct page, but I'm trying.

Anyway, I did make some edits --very small edits -- that were accurate. They were all undone. So, is there anything in the entry that you suspect of being autobiographical? Anyway, the favor I'd like to ask is, can you take out anything that you think might be autobiographical, or anything that might be incorrect, or take down the whole page if I might be a fictional character? And then take down the warning. One thing that seems cannot be right is taking out everything that warrants a warning and then leaving the warning up there. My friends and family check this page... Thanks for whatever you can find it in your heart to do. Dave Schmidtz (talk) 01:59, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Schmidtz, and yes this is fine to leave me a message here. I have added a connected contributor note to the talk page and then removed the autobiography tag from the article. If there are things you would like changed in the article in future, rather than editing it directly, can you please suggest them on that talk page. The easiest way to do so is to use the Wikipedia:Edit Request Wizard. Regards, Melcous (talk) 04:00, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. Yes. Still figuring out both the technology and the protocols but I will return to this page to remind myself. And I won't try to edit anything again. I'll investigate the talk page though. Thanks for all you do. -Dave Schmidtz (talk) 15:45, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Continual tags of "Original Research"

Your overall editing bamboozles me. You still seem to struggle with the difference between honorific and honorary, and you repeatedly label articles as "original research"...I am not sure what your personal definition is, but your application of the term seems to fit 100% of wiki articles... I am just sitting here gleaning information from internet and/or books and I cannot fathom how you deem it "original research". It is someone else other than myself who has assembled the information... I am just a scribe. Over and above that you do seem to hound me (and certain others) in a truly vexatious manner and I have complained to Wikipedia regarding this twice.--Stephencdickson (talk) 21:55, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

@Stephencdickson: Perhaps if you stopped using terrible sources that are for most part are completly rank, for example on Draft:Sir Alexander Lyon, you wouldn't get so many OR tags. The article which I moved to draft, doesn't have a single valid ref that satisfies WP:RS and WP:V. scope_creep^Talk 23:39, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

@Stephencdickson:, it is your editing that continues unabated without regard for wikipedia's policies and style guide or what any other editors ask you that is truly bamboozling. You have acknowledged that you don't revisit articles to try to improve them, and yet you continue to create articles that are poorly sourced and based on your original research (which is what it is when you use primary rather than secondary sources and/or add your own speculative editorial comments). You previously agreed that the Manual of Style says honorific suffixes should not be used in the opening of biographical articles, and yet you continue to include them. Try reading WP:RS again and understand that it is reliable, independent, secondary sources you should be looking for, not post office directories, user generated genealogy sites, wikipedia mirrors, or googles searches. Melcous (talk) 06:16, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

But you need to check the difference between honorific and honorary, i.e. LLD etc is not honorific. Technically by your definition all knighthoods are honours and therefore should be deleted. The issue is to do with titles, honorofic refers to a style of address, not to post-nominals--Stephencdickson (talk) 12:30, 16 October 2022 (UTC) I also do not understand why sources such as cpost office directories are labelled by you as primary... they are a secondary source based on the primary research. More importantly they are clearly reliable. One could argue that census is a primary source but as far as I can see census records are generally accepted. Especially since all these are in the public domain and require no special knowledge or fee to access and verify--Stephencdickson (talk) 12:37, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

I plan to start sending your new articles to draft from this point forward, assuming their in that state I spoke to you about this about four years ago and you've not done anything about it. The consensus now is that it is unacceptable to create these articles without reasonably decent references, but for some reason you still do. It will change. scope_creep^Talk 15:01, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Stephencdickson On post nominals and academic degrees, see MOS:CREDENTIALS, which I have pointed out to you numerous times before (and note it explicitly applies whether they are earned or honorary). The short answer is the same: they should not be included in the opening line of a biography as you have been doing. Melcous (talk) 00:59, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

New Page Patrol newsletter October 2022

Hello Melcous,

Much has happened since the last newsletter over two months ago. The open letter finished with 444 signatures. The letter was sent to several dozen people at the WMF, and we have heard that it is being discussed but there has been no official reply. A related article appears in the current issue of The Signpost. If you haven't seen it, you should, including the readers' comment section.

Awards: Barnstars were given for the past several years (thanks to MPGuy2824), and we are now all caught up. The 2021 cup went to John B123 for leading with 26,525 article reviews during 2021. To encourage moderate activity, a new "Iron" level barnstar is awarded annually for reviewing 360 articles ("one-a-day"), and 100 reviews earns the "Standard" NPP barnstar. About 90 reviewers received barnstars for each of the years 2018 to 2021 (including the new awards that were given retroactively). All awards issued for every year are listed on the Awards page. Check out the new Hall of Fame also.

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Saving the best for last: From a July low of 8,500, the backlog climbed back to 11,000 in August and then reversed in September dropping to below 6,000 and continued falling with the October backlog drive to under 1,000, a level not seen in over four years. Keep in mind that there are 2,000 new articles every week, so the number of reviews is far higher than the backlog reduction. To keep the backlog under a thousand, we have to keep reviewing at about half the recent rate!

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editing Goodfriend page

Hi, Melcous! I am trying to edit the Goodfriend page to draw attention to the memorial project. I haven't done Wikipedia editing before: can you help me out? Rkingbu (talk) 00:07, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Rkingbu I have edited your contribution to be one sentence rather than listing all the different essays, as this article is definitely not the place for that. I would also note that it is not the purpose of wikipedia to "draw attention" to a project, no matter how worthwhile it is. Also, if you have a connection to the project (as your username might suggest), then you should also read the conflict of interest guidelines and not directly edit the article but rather make suggestions on the talk page. Thank you Melcous (talk) 01:19, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, Melcous. I do have a conflict of interest, so I will state that explicitly: Goodfriend and I were graduate school classmates and have written many research papers together. The volume of essays available at FRB Richmond (https://www.richmondfed.org/goodfriend) is a collection that I organized and edited together with Alexander Wolman. The design is that a number of leading macroeconomists (working as individuals or as teams) each contributed an essay linked to one of Goodfriend's major publications, sometimes agreeing and sometimes not. The website contains BOTH these essays AND republications of the original papers (sometimes these are not available to individuals in low income countries or outside of academia because they are behind "must pay" firewalls.) I secured the republication for this memorial volume so they'd be broadly available on the Richmond Fed's website.

Now, why should a Wikipedia reader care about any of this material? The user physiocrat1 did a nice job of one sentence descriptions of some of Goodfriend's papers, but an encyclopedia reader would likely want to know what does Ben Bernanke think about "Goodfriend and the zero lower bound?" or "what does Douglas Diamond think about Goodfriend's work on separating monetary and credit policy" or "what does Thomas Sargent think about Goodfriend's analysis of the the role of credibility in the (Volcker) disinflation of the 1980s? Note that these authors are all Nobel laureates, two just this month.

I think a good encyclopedia entry provides a summary, but also encourages the interested reader to take the next steps on a substantive journey.

At the same time, short and punchy is best. You seem to have some good ideas. physiocrat1 does too and seems to have read some core Goodfriend papers, sufficiently carefully that he/she has made appropriate corrections to the entries of other. Might you reach out to him and produce a synthetic effort?

Thanks for the time that you are spending on this (and educating me)

Robert G. King

Professor of Economics

Boston University

(rking@bu.edu)

rkingbu Rkingbu (talk) 01:51, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining your Conflict of interest Rkingbu. The place to have these discussions is at Talk:Marvin Goodfriend, where you are very welcome to make suggestions abut what you think should be included in the article and why. Note that all content should be verifiable by reference to reliable, independent, secondary sources, so if you do make suggestions on the talk page about what should be included, you should also provide such sources. Thanks Melcous (talk) 02:18, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi. I set up the talk page. Might you suggest how to reach out to "physiocrat01"? Rkingbu (talk) 04:15, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Rkingbu great. You can notify another editor on that page as I have done here with you - using this template: {{u|username}} (but with their username). Melcous (talk) 04:41, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

It seems that physiocrat01 has only made two contributions, both of which are to the Goodfriend page, and does not have a user page. I am wondering if you would be willing to make the following edits.

The current sentence that you created is

"A collection of essays, Marvin Goodfriend: Economist and Central Banker was published in 2020 by the Federal Reserve Bank of Richmond, with a selection of Goodfriend's diverse policy ideas and research contributions.[citation needed]"

Might it be replaced with

"Marvin Goodfriend: Economist and Central Banker was published (online and hard copy) in 2022 by the Federal Reserve Bank of Richmond. It contains essays on Goodfriend's diverse policy ideas and research contributions by leading macroeconomists, as well as providing ready access to his publications. https://www.richmondfed.org/goodfriend"

The "leading macroeconomists" is an opinion that could be supported with measures of citations etc but I hope does not require such backup.

Note that I accidentally put 2020 rather than 2022 in the first quote

thanks again for all your help! Rkingbu (talk) 13:20, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Rkingbu I'm not willing to make changes without an independent, secondary source (and the adjective "leading" would need a third party source to be included) - are you aware of anyone not related to publishing the book who has reviewed or written about it, for example newspapers, journals etc? Also, content needs to be written neutrally and not promotionally, so phrases like "ready access" and "online and hard copy" would generally not be included - they belong in advertising for the book, not in an encyclopaedia. I will fix the date. Thanks Melcous (talk) 13:40, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Mark Beer page updates

Hi Melcous,

I have tried to update the page for Mark Beer on a number of occasions as the page in it's current form is factually inaccurate.

Can you please tell me why you have continued to revert the changes as a whole even where I have included references which show the appointments for example? I understand if there are issues, but can you please tell me why this is the case?

As things stand, this just appears to be malicious on your part, I would prefer not to report the issue, and instead just to find a solution to update the page if possible.

Thanks Mattdavfar (talk) 12:36, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Mattdavfar as noted in my edit summary, I reverted your edit because it has a number of issues including: it contains unsourced content; it added external links which should never be included within an article; it added non neutral language such as "successful" and "prestigious"; and it added styles that go against wikipedia's Manual of Style. You would be better advised to make small, single changes at one time so as to not have one large edit reverted, making sure to comply with the guidelines I have linked to here. I would also ask you first to read the conflict of interest guidelines and ensure you are complying with them. Thank you Melcous (talk) 13:40, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Kathryn Moore's Page

Hi Melcous!

I am relatively new to Wikipedia editing (I am not new to writing, however), and I had been looking for jobs to do across Wikipedia. I came across Kathryn Moore's page, and I am interested in her work. I decided to try to expand her page with some extra information, including a few awards that I believe I cited. However, I noticed that they were removed soon after. I looked in the history, and I noticed that whenever someone adds something that would improve the article, you remove it immediately. Is there a reason for this?

Thanks,

Bearcan Bearcan (talk) 22:20, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Bearcan What you have said here is not correct: nothing your account has added to that article has been removed (unless you were also the anonymous IP who added this content here). I have previously reverted two editors' additions to that article (the IP and one other new account), because both added large sections of content to the article that were completely unsourced. Another long term editor made similar reverts. You can see the explanations for why we did so in the edit summaries. Melcous (talk) 03:20, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi Melcous,

I was not the anonymous IP, and I must have misread it when I saw that my post was removed.

However, that does not explain why you removed some other aspects of the article. I checked out what you removed, and much of it seemed properly cited. The new editors seemed to know a great deal about Kathryn Moore, and I believe it would have been far better for the development of the page to simply fact-check the new data and cite it for the new users. Wouldn't reminding someone how to edit the page properly would be far more beneficial for them, the page, and Wikipedia as a whole? If new information that could benefit someone trying to research Dr. Moore is provided that does not fit the standards, would it not be better to make it fit the standards, rather than taking that information away from someone who may need it?

Sincerely, Bearcan (talk) 20:47, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Bearcan that's not how wikipedia works. Content should be properly sourced when it is added, and the onus is on the editor adding it to do so. The content remains in the page history, so nothing is lost, and editors are welcome to find sources and include them. I have no idea what you mean by "much of it seemed properly cited" - as I pointed out before, the two edits I reverted added both an entire paragraph, as well as a number of bullet points, without any sourcing whatsoever. Melcous (talk) 23:28, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Melcous,

Thank you. I will go into the edits that were deleted and find sources to cite them. Bearcan (talk) 00:08, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello again,

As you requested, I have been starting some conversations on the talk page and I would like your opinion on a suggestion I made there. I recommend that you have a look at the talk page sometime. Bearcan (talk) 01:59, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi again Melcous, You seem a seasoned editor, so I would like your advice regarding Dr. Moore’s page. I have tried to add an image to the article, but I believe I did not cite the file properly. You should be able to see the picture I used; would you please provide guidance on this topic? Thanks. - Bearcan (talk) 03:06, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi Bearcan, yes I saw the image (and tweaked the formatting on it to fit the infobox). However, I can see on the image file page here that it is missing sufficient copyright information. I haven't done too much work with images on wikipedia, as it can be quite a technical area regarding copyright. But I believe the problem is under licensing where you have written "received consent from owner". You would need evidence of this (and evidence that the person is actually the owner of the image copyright), and I believe you may also need to ensure that the image has been released under a specific type of license. A couple of suggestions:

• The deletion tag has been applied by a bot because no copyright tag was included at all: you can read more about that here
• For information and advice on licensing requirements, your best bet would be to post a question on the noticeboard Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. Good luck, Melcous (talk) 04:10, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi Melcous,

I was wondering why you deleted the goal statement of the CVRC in Dr. Moore's article. I understand that you referenced WP:MISSION. However, in that article it states "If a mission statement doesn't describe the organization, help readers understand how this organization is unique and doesn't support the notability of the subject, it probably should not be transcribed in full in the article." The statement that you deleted ("The Cardiovascular Research Center aims to "to create a multi-disciplinary enterprise that supports and encourages research in basic, translational and clinical cardiovascular sciences to advance knowledge of cardiovascular diseases and translate these discoveries into innovative treatment therapies") seems rather descriptive to me, and not particularly promotional. Could you please explain why you deleted it?

Thanks! Bearcan (talk) 13:42, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Bearcan, WP:MISSION was perhaps too short an edit summary, but when you are quoting exactly what an organisation says about itself, that is promotional, no matter how "noble" the cause. More importantly, the article is a biography about the person, not about the organisation, so it doesn't belong there regardless. Finally, please note that conversations like this about article content really belong on the article's talk page, not here. Thank you Melcous (talk) 20:29, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Anytime Mailbox page

Hi Melcous.

You recently deleted a page I had been working on. I'm not contesting the grounds on which it was removed. But would it be possible to have the material back so I can continue to improve it? Thank you. Storenforward (talk) 22:45, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Storenforward I did not delete your page so I am not the person who can help you with this. The administrator who deleted the page was User:Explicit, so they may be able to help you. Melcous (talk) 09:40, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for clarifying. Storenforward (talk) 23:11, 17 November 2022 (UTC)