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Song pages composition

Not all info is available, the sheet is viewable. however I cant read music, so i cannot describe it. Here are the details by song:

  1. "NLOTH": cite link - E major
  2. "Magnificent" cite link - E major
  3. "Moment of..." cite link - A minor
  4. "Go Crazy" cite link - C major
  5. "Boots" cite link - [A Minor (original key), +2 B Minor (2 sharps), +3 C Minor (3 flats), -7 D Minor (1 flat), -5 E Minor (1 sharp), -3 F# Minor (3 sharps), -2 G Minor (2 flats)], voice: B4-G5. do you understand it??
  6. "Fez" cite link - A minor
  7. "Snow" cite link - E minor
  8. "Breathe" cite link - D major
  9. "Cedars" cite link - G major

You could add these manually? I have to go right now... Suede67 (talk) 21:05, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Cheers; I don't actually read music too well myself, but I'll try to incorporate it somehow. Hope you're back in time for the concert! MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 21:07, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

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Hahaha! Suede67 (talk) 14:20, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

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What was that?

This made me laugh. Who was that guy, and why you?! Suede67 (talk) 07:33, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

He removed all of the Irish Chart data from U2 discography a few days ago, saying it was wrong, and I restored it. So he set about annoying me instead of opening a discussion on the page's talk page. Plus he posted his responses above mine. Plus he posted comments in the middle of his other comments. It was a headache >>. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 13:36, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
Haha, so weird. He didnt even get that those sites compile recent information and dont go back to that time when those albums were released. Suede67 (talk) 16:35, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

U2 DVD release ref

Hey there. There's something that I'm obviously not seeing that you're trying to point out. I'm not seeing anywhere in ref 67 on the U2 360° Tour article that states a DVD will be released of the show. Can you please explain further or show me a direct link that can reference this? roguegeek (talk·cont) 16:06, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

When I reverted your change, I moved the reference which supported the statement that said it was for a DVD (for some reason it was in the wrong location). When I made the edit it was reference #67, but when the edit was complete it was reference #64, making my edit summary inaccurate. The actual source is the Los Angeles Times article. The third sentence reads "Or, perhaps more accurately, you will benefit from the filming of the concert for an upcoming DVD release." Hope that clarifies things. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 20:14, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

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oops...

Ha ha - busted! --Merbabu (talk) 04:12, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Oh man, that's hilarious. I can't believe something like that actually happened. I wonder how I've never heard that story before. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 04:25, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
Looking at the web-site it appears that later editions of the book have a different cover pic - maybe there was a nice deal between the band and Marsden. U2 by U2 is a bit vague on it. I don't think the new book cover pic is as striking. --Merbabu (talk) 04:27, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
Hmmm - i recognise that shade of pink (lower right). --Merbabu (talk) 04:31, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
I wonder how much that cost them. They never got the rights to "Send in the Clowns" even for the remastered Red Rocks DVD; it must have been a considerable amount. The old cover is definitely a lot more striking. It makes you wonder what the band would have used if no deal had gone through. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 04:37, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
Ha ha - i think i like the ruined version better. The original before destruction looks kind of boring. --Merbabu (talk) 04:56, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
It just looks like any other castle really. I find that they seem to have a lot more character when they are in ruins, for whatever reason. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 05:00, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
The chipmunks do White as Snow?? OK, so the sound quality is shite, but I love this remix. I think the guitar solo is sampled from a ZooTV era solo (the good ole days). I've probably told you before that I'm in the ZooTV from Sydney video a few times at the B-stage. --Merbabu (talk) 05:11, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
Hahah, after a few listens the Chipmunk version gets catchy and *almost* likeable ;) That is a really good remix; I think the highlight of my live collection was hearing a ZooTV With or Without You that had this absolutely beautiful little solo tacked on at the end; I think it may actually be the same one as is in this remx! I've always been a bit sad that they didn't keep it for the DVD. And yes, I remember you telling me so! That must have been an absolutely incredible night; it's still my favourite DVD they've ever put out. Dirty Day, Lemon, Love is Blindness... I would love to hear those one day... MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 05:19, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Why?

Why are u sending me messages and deleting my comments??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.162.229.83 (talk) 17:52, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Your edits are vandalism and unconstructive. For what reason should deliberately false information be kept? MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 17:56, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

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U2 sources

Hi. You previously mentioned you had "Uncut's The Ultimate Music Guide: U2". Does that have anything on "Running to Stand Still" that isn't already in? If so, let me know or go ahead and add it yourself. Also, do you have the 1999 songbook "U2: The Complete Songs"? If not, is there any other good source for the keys that songs are written in and their chord sequences? I know about user-figured-out tabs pages out on the net, I'm looking for something more definitive ... Wasted Time R (talk) 02:49, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

I don't have the latter, unfortunately. I'll see what I can add from the Uncut guide that isn't already mentioned. I'm not really sure what could be counted as really definitive, but Musicnotes might be an acceptable source for the keys and chord sequences. I know Suede67 used it for the "Stand Up Comedy" article. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 03:30, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
Sorry to jump in the conversation (Matt's talk in on my watchlist). It does appear Musicnotes IS an acceptable source. A recently FA promoted song article is using it. Suede67 (talk) 03:59, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
Okay, thanks, I'm looking at that now. Wasted Time R (talk) 04:35, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Re: No Line on the Horizon

Hey! Sorry that I haven't responded since the send date (March 7th). The past months, I've been very busy and so on and so fourth. Anyway, what I think about the No Line on the Horizon is this: I think U2 once again did a tremendous job but I feel as if something was missing from the album, possibly a strong type of anthem or just a powerful type of song. Either way, I thought it was tremendous. One more thing, I'm not sure if you enjoy Sting (musician), but I got his new album If on a Winter's Night... and I like that one as well. You have to be really in the mood for Christmas music. Anyway, talk to you soon... CRBR (talk) 23:32, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

ZooTV photos...

Once I had a whole roll of 36 photos from B-stage at ZooTV Sydney (yeah, a whole 36 photos in 2 hours was pretty extravagant back then) but I can't find either the negatives or prints. They've been lost over the years. :-( Thus, kinda ironic when the whole concert is on DVD and we still don't have useable images. The night before (when Adam was hung over) I was in the stalls and Bono fell and sang the song on his back. --Merbabu (talk) 06:26, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Argh, that's too bad. I hope you'll be able to find them again some day; those pictures must have been amazing. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 06:42, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

All That You Can't Leave Behind

Needs a good copy edit - I don't know that mine help all that much. Do you have time? --Merbabu (talk) 10:57, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

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No Line on the Horizon

Crazyjoker and I have made a few edits - if any of this is contrary to the current FAC review for the article, let me know, and I will what I can do to rectify - as appropriate. cheers --Merbabu (talk) 02:51, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

The edits look fine I think, but the FAC was closed inexplicably. I've asked the closing delegate, User:SandyGeorgia, for clarification on why this occurred since there were no opposes to the promotion. Quite frankly I'm baffled as to why that happened. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 04:18, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

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U2 Timeline...

Hey - thanks for all those tiny details you fixed up. Important but annoying - and most i didn't notice myself.

I just remembered something about the Sydney video - the night after the video release, the mates I saw the Saturday concert with each brought a TV round and plugged them into my geeky mates 4 way TV-VCR adaptor and ran the sound thru his large stereo. Ie, we watched the ZooTV concert with beers and a darkened room through four TV large screens lined up on the shelf. Hilarious. ah - the good ole days. sigh. --Merbabu (talk) 06:25, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

COBL

Ref for Grammy win: CNN. Suede67 (talk) 07:08, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Wow, many thanks! I suppose you've been watching my edits to that? :P MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 07:14, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
Haha, your sandbox is on my watchlist. I had initially added it to see the developments on Songs of Ascent. Now its fun to see what you're up to. Suede67 (talk) 07:16, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
Well I can't complain, especially when you leave me little nuggets like that! I'm hoping to give this a complete revamp; it's one of my favourite songs and it deserves a lot better than the state it's at currently! MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 07:19, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
:) Good luck. If any help is needed, ask. Lots of U2 song articles are in need of help. What about the WikiProject? All those users are inactive now? I hardly see 2 or 3 people religiously working on U2. Btw, dont post the copy of your reply on my talk (unless the discussion originated there). I have yours on my watch, so it becomes unneccessary. Suede67 (talk) 07:26, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, the WikiProject is pretty much dead. The only users who frequently edit U2 articles are myself, Merbabu, Dream out loud, Y2kcrazyjoker, Wasted Time R, and you; not really enough to get anything going. I'm trying as of late to beef up the articles we have a bit more but it's hard; most of them are in such bad shape that it's hard to know where to begin. The No Line on the Horizon songs (with the exception of "Cedars") were a good warm-up; now that "Running to Stand Still" and "Ultraviolet" have been done, I think people are getting a bit back into it. I'm going solo on this one at the moment, not that I think anyone will particularly mind. Once it's out (I hope soon) people will be able to make any changes they please. Dunno if it has it or not, but could you use the musicnotes thingy to find out what key it's played in? And alright, I'll hold off on that in the future. I usually just do it as a matter of convenience. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 07:31, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

I see. The notes: tempo is 139 (thats bpm, i presume). voice range: F#4-A7. key: a major. cite: <ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.musicnotes.com/sheetmusic/mtd.asp?ppn=MN0078461|title=City of Blinding Lights - U2|publisher=Musicnotes|accessdate=21 November 2009}} Note: Need "musicnotes" software to view link.</ref>

and refs for the video shoot atU2 and rte. noticed that section is unsourced. Suede67 (talk) 07:41, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

bono's view of the song, good stuff. i feel this should pass as reliable: u2.com Suede67 (talk) 07:45, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Ah, many thanks for all of that. I've added all of it save for the video shoot stuff which I may do tomorrow since it's pretty late here now. Cheers a bunch, this is hell of a lot of help! MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 08:17, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
No problem! See ya. Suede67 (talk) 08:22, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi again! Do you happen to have a subscription to Hot Press? Btw, if you want this temporary cached page could be used as a note in the citation. I ask this because there are a some pages there i'd like to view, but all pages arent cached, i've been checking. Suede67 (talk) 17:35, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately I don't. What I do with the Hot Press articles is check out the archive on atu2.com and then link them to the Hot Press website after a search. That's what they said to do in the last FAC, so... MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 17:38, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
I see, finding sources for U2 sounds much easier! YOu did mention that atU2 is permanent it saves all its links. Suede67 (talk) 17:40, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
Aye, but it's nigh impossible to find any development information from even 5 years ago; a lot of the original webpages have been taken down, making it more difficult to source. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 17:47, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
I see. Suede67 (talk) 17:55, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Dutch charts

The Hung medien site for dutch charts shows the charting of a song on the Single Top 100 chart. Its a component chart, not the national one. The national one is the Dutch Top 40, whose archives (for U2) are here: top40.nl. Click the song, and you'll have a graph, like for COBL here. The white line is for the Tipparade chart, which is the Dutch version of the Bubbling Under singles of Billboard. And then theres the striped line which marks the transition from the Tipparade peak to the entry position on the Top 40 chart.

I've noticed its a common mistake editors do. The album chart on the Dutch Hung Medien site, however IS the national albums chart. Its a little confusing, and as far as I know, this only applies to the Netherlands (out of all those sites). Suede67 (talk) 01:08, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Wow yeah, I didn't realize that at all. Thanks for the clarification, I've switched in the correct source now. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 01:19, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
No problem! Suede67 (talk) 01:21, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

GA

Good luck on it! You've been through GAs before, your opinion on Up to Now? SP recently released it, and I believe theres not so much (compared to a studio album) to write about. I think theres no much more to add. I could probably expand the reception section a bit, and small updates on the charts, if it climbs, but I think its pretty complete though otherwise. I've no experience in these things. Do you find anything that must be added? Or removed? Any general suggestions? Thanks.

PS - Theres also the single "Just Say Yes". Theres quite a bit of work remaining I think, but do you think if its in good shape? Btw, both articles need to have "archivedate and archiveurl" fields in the refs, but aside that. Suede67 (talk) 01:38, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

I've taken a look at Up to Now and made a few small edits; the biggest one was probably moving up the "Reception" section so that it was more easily visible. A few of the {{Tracklist}}s are missing song lengths and total lengths, so those might need to be added.
Yes, i'm aware of the missing track lengths. I'm actually waiting for the album to arrive in the post here, the lengths otherwise aren't available online. So that would be done. The reception section, its kind of a habit of mine to deliberately keep it at the bottom of the track listings, no clue why. And I do know the configuration you've made is better, and I am keeping it. And, are total lengths important? It will be added to the infobox when I have the album, would that itself do? Suede67 (talk) 03:53, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
Since there's three different formats, I'd recommend the total lengths, but it isn't necessary. The infobox should probably just hold one. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 04:05, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
Sure, i will add these. And the infobox should preferably contain the total length of the standard Cd release (the two cds), right? Suede67 (talk) 04:23, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
I'd say so since it will be the most common release available. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 04:33, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
I'm not too sure about the "Release history" section either; I think it would be better if you just moved it up into "Release" and used prose instead of a chart (though the chart could still work).
I'm not too much of a fan of it either. However, WP:ALBUM lists it. Thats the reason I made it. If I try integrating it into prose, do you think it'd look bloated? Suede67 (talk) 03:53, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
I don't think it would look too bad. If you could keep it to around three or four lines it should be fine. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 04:05, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
Sure, i'll do it. Suede67 (talk) 04:23, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
The record charts look good; I think you could squeeze another two in there if you wanted to.
Actually, those are all the countries it has appeared in! If more countries happen later, I can split the table in two, right? Or is there a limit (as 10 in discography articles) for the number of charts? Suede67 (talk) 03:53, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
On the 2nd No Line on the Horizon FAC an editor told me to keep it at 10. I'm not sure if it applies to singles too, but for albums it should be a maximum of 10. I don't think you'll need to split the chart into two with only 8-10 listed, but you can if you think it looks better. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 04:05, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
I see. I'm not splitting it right now, but see this article. I had to, in there.
Oh yeah, for something of that length you'd definitely need it split, but with the number you have right now it should be fine. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 04:33, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
"Background" looks pretty good, but I think a bit more content could be added. Why sparked the reason for this compilation; was it just a way to start fresh? Were there any other reasons behind it? Can more detail be provided about the process the band members went through in picking the songs?
I don't think that much detailed information is actually available. I was pretty hard in researching on the album during the time building up to the release, and I didnt come across such information. But i'll do some research again.
Well if there's no more information to be found then there isn't really anything to worry about. Articles have passed FAC with less. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 04:05, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
Its very short!! But pretty. But the guidelines change ;) You might have noticed that lots of shorter discography and award lists redirected/stripped of FL status. Suede67 (talk) 04:23, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
Aye; this was a fairly recent promotion though. If all the information you can find is in the article then it should hopefully be fine. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 04:33, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
Yes, only September, its very safe then. Suede67 (talk) 04:49, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
I think it passes all of the Good Article Criteria. Number 6 might be a pain, but I doubt there's anything more you could really add to that given the stringent fair-use rules. It looks fairly good overall to me, and when it gets reviewed they will give it a quick once-over themselves with any changes they think are needed, plus posting any concerns they may have so that you can respond to them. GA takes much longer than FA, but it's easier to get something passed. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 03:32, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
Glad you think so! Criteria 6 talks about the images, and says "IF". So maybe it will not be a problem? I do have a wish of capturing the box set in all its glory and uploading the image, maybe that would satisfy the criteria? Suede67 (talk) 03:53, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
It might do, but you'd still need a free-use rationale since it will likely include some of the boxart too. I wouldn't worry about it too much. Articles like these are really limited image-wise, and reviewers understand that. You did compensate for it with a few quote boxes too make it look like more than just text, so it shouldn't be a problem. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 04:05, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
yep, i like boxes, they look neat. About the boxart, i'm quite positive that if I arrange the material of the set and take a picture of it, it can be considered my work. See this pic, for example. On asking a knowledgeable person on commons, he told me its allowed. His reply, though the link he gave me did not answer my question. Also, this picture is displayed proudly on the very active Michael Jackson WikiProject, and logically, I'd say that if it was not by the guidelines, it wouldnt have been there. So lets see. Suede67 (talk) 04:23, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
If that's the case then you shouldn't have any problems; go for it! It won't hurt any having it there. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 04:33, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
Yes, and the main reason I wish to do it because there arent any pictures of it anywhere (apart from this one, which doesnt help much), which I find surprising. Generally there'd be promotion pictures by the artists themselves, but not in this case. Noticed the massive release by AC/DC? Suede67 (talk) 04:49, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
Pretty much all that I said above can be attributed to "Just Say Yes" too. I'd like to see a little bit more information about the inspiration behind the lyrics and how the band developed the piece over time. Other then that, I'd just say to make sure that your fair-use rationale for the music video screecap covers as much detail as you can possibly think of. Cheers, MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions)
Again, not much information is available (based on my research) on the history of the writing/composition of the song. But i'll research again. And i'll see the screenshot rationale. Suede67 (talk) 03:53, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your thoughtful reviews. Suede67 (talk) 03:53, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

No problem, I'm glad I was able to be of help, especially after all of the audio clips you've uploaded! MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 04:05, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
Don't say we'even. Suede67 (talk) 04:23, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
Hahah, I wasn't going to, =P. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 04:33, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

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Thanks, its more catchy, but it does sounds like someone's point of view. Can you defend alt3 with reliable references? If not, any alternatives? Materialscientist (talk) 09:48, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
Getting better, but not there yet. I left a note at T:TDYK. Cheers. Materialscientist (talk) 00:52, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

ISHFWILF

Can you cast your eyes over my additions to the recording of the song. cheers --Merbabu (talk) 01:55, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

I took a bit of a look over it earlier before messing around with the Irish charts; all of it looked pretty good and there wasn't much to change beyond a few tense problems. It's definitely nice to get the "Refimprove" tag that's been hanging on for two years off (and information on the song itself too)! MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 04:23, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

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Priority does not mean delete. Japanese is the original and the original takes precedence. Your shitty dubbing is unrelated to Wikipedia. Take away their dirty hands. 78.138.171.140 (talk) 15:42, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Be civil, or I will not bother responding in future. The templates and layouts we use are standard practice and accepted per WP:MOS-JP and WP:MOS-ANIME. In the English language Wikipedia, the English-language takes precedence regardless of where the subject originated from. If you have a problem, take it to the article's talk page. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 16:47, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

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Bono - Elvis

Given that Bono wrote a poem about Elvis, and the in the poem he praised Elvis, it would be fair to assume that Bono admired and was even influenced by Elvis.

Rather than deleting the edit, you could have put it for discussion or even checked the web to see if there was other material other to support the statement.

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Had you read the inline note instead of removing it, you would have seen that it stated to not add any more artists to the list as it is not intended to be comprehensive. The problem with your point is that it forces us to, in your own words, "assume". This is a violation of WP:OR. The poem does not explicitly say that Elvis inspired Bono; to say that he did is original research and violates the above policy, as well as WP:SYNTH. Finally, this is the article about U2; not Bono. Nowhere in that source does it say that Elvis inspired Bono, let alone the whole band. It is far more appropriate in the Bono article, where I believe it is in fact already mentioned. Rather than simply removing the inline note and adding an unsubstantiated claim about Elvis Presley, it would have been far appropriate for you to initiate the discussion on the talk page; it's your onus to back up your claim, not mine to do it for you. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 01:56, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
It is not for you do decide the section is finished. In the article published by Rolling Stone it states that - In the Eighties, U2 went to Memphis, to Sun Studio -- the scene of rock & roll's big bang. We were working with Elvis' engineer and music diviner, Cowboy Jack Clement. He reopened the studio so we could cut some tracks within the same four walls where Elvis recorded "Mystery Train." Sounds like U2 were/are influenced by Elvis. Willytheslip (talk) 02:14, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
It's not me who decided anything, it was a decision by the people who colectively edited the article as it became featured, hence why the inline note was included in the first place. There has to be a cutoff. And nice try but that Rolling Stone article still does not work. You are once again inferring what is said in the source to mean something that it does not say. The fact that they worked with Jack Clement and recorded at Sun Studios does not mean that they were influenced. You need to find something that explictly states he influenced the group (instead of something that you just assume it means) and then you need to bring it up on Talk:U2 for discussion before adding it. Per WP:STATUSQUO, If you make a change which is good-faith reverted, do not simply reinstate your edit - leave the status quo up. If there is a dispute, the status quo reigns until a consensus is established to make a change. Instead of engaging in an edit war, propose your reverted change on the article's talk page or pursue other dispute resolution alternatives. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 02:21, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

"Nice try"!? you make this sound like some game and you think you're winning.

No where do the articles relating to the beatles or patti smith state that U2 were influenced. Bono says he was influenced by the beatles. He says that he and edge like patti smith, that's all. Willytheslip (talk) 02:41, 6 December 2009 (UTC) I also suggest you read the whole article. Bono says that elvis is in the greatest of all time. and that elvis had "Pretty much everything I want from guitar, bass and drums was present" - that is influence. Willytheslip (talk) 02:47, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm not making this into a game at all. I've outlined all of the relevant policies to you repeatedly: WP:OR, WP:V, WP:SYNTH, WP:STATUSQUO, and now WP:3RR. You need to read and understand how Wikipedia works, especially when it comes to featured articles. I know that you're edits are made in good faith; I've already said that. But you can't add something that is not verified, even if it made in good faith. Bono wrote a poem about Elvis; that doesn't make him an influence. Bono said Elvis was a great musician; that's an appreciation of his musical ability, not an influence. If you have concerns about the quality of the sources for Beatles and Patti Smith, I'd suggest that you bring that up on the talk page as well when you open the discussion about Elvis instead of engaging in an edit war. And please, indent your talk page comments using the colon key; it's a common courtesy to aid in readability. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 02:48, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

I don't see how to indent. "Pretty much everything I want from guitar, bass and drums was present" - that is influence. In another RS article, it is stated that "Bono has never kept his admiration of Elvis Presley a secret." Willytheslip (talk) 02:54, 6 December 2009 (UTC) + I don't see how to indent. In another Rolling Stones article: When did you run across Elvis? I might have heard the songs, but it was the Comeback Special, when he was standing up -- because he couldn't sit down to play. The thing was: He's not in control of this -- this is in control of him. The abandon was really attractive. Who else had a big impact on you, musically, when you were that age? .... Was David Bowie a big influence? Gigantic, the English Elvis. I think that is plenty of references to the influence of elvis. http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/8091949/bonoWillytheslip (talk) 03:00, 6 December 2009 (UTC) + "Pretty much everything I want from guitar, bass and drums was present" - that is influence.

That second source does work to verify it; that's the kind of thing we need to have to back up our claims in articles. I still don't see how the poem has any relevance, so I've compromised by adding in both Rolling Stone sources and formatting it in a similar manner to the way the rest of the section is laid out at its expense. To indent, use the : at the beginning of each line in your responses. You can see the way it's laid out by my responses on your talk page (the initial message is not indented, the first reply has one :, the second reply has two :, etc.) I've already explained that my initial revert was because the edit was at that time original research and so had to be removed, as were all my subsequent edits. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 03:12, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
agreed compromise. I suggest that in future rather than immediately deleting someones changes, you check if they are right or not, this may not be practical all the time, but it was clear that I was online after the I reverted your change and we could have discussed the changes.
My aim was to state that Bono (and hence U2) was influenced by Elvis. I think it is noteworthy that Bono wrote a poem about one (only one) of his influences. I also suggest that you do not quickly resort to threatening peer editor with being blocked, or hit them over the head with by selectively choosing rules from wiki, that is not in the spirit of collaboration.
I consider this matter closed.
Regards,
(Feel free to delete these comments after you have read them.)
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U2 Rock Band type game

seems there is truth to the claim -

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/entertainment/post/2009/10/68500358/1

Willytheslip (talk) 18:49, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

That is saying they would like to be in a game, not that a game is in development. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 18:53, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
I agree that there is no game in development, but it seems that U2 are interested in such a project. It would be fair to say thta they have expressed interest in such a thing and that may be what the editor was trying to say. Willytheslip (talk) 19:08, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
I'd bring it up on the talk page for discussion first to see what the other U2 editors think. Given the scope of what the article covers, my personal opinion is that expressing interest in a project like that is too trivial for inclusion. Rumours for this game have been going back for at least a couple of years, but there hasn't been anything solid to date. Though if it is confirmed I can certainly see a sentence being added to cover it. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 19:27, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
This seems to be a bit more solid than a rumour, Adam Clayton says the band are interested, but as you say, there is nothing definite. Wheather this is important enough for inclusion is debatable, and that's what we're doing.
Regarding yesterday, apology accepted. Willytheslip (talk) 19:42, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

DYK

I havent ever tried DYK. Can you do one for me. Sorry, but I really dont want to learn how. I consider it more of a hassle, but would like to have one fair and square! The article is this one.

The hook will probably be like...Did you know...that Bradley Quinn, the official photographer for Northern Irish band Snow Patrol was a classmate in school of the band's lead singer Gary Lightbody?

Now obviously, that needs polishing in english, maybe you can do that? I hope this isnt too hard. I noticed, last time's DYK for Ultraviolet created problems for you (revisiting again and again to improve the hook). I wouldnt be able to do that! Suede67 (talk) 20:33, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Edit: The source is this: here Suede67 (talk) 20:34, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

 Done; most of the time it isn't that hard so long as you make sure it meets the criteria, since the templates are there to be copied when you edit the page. Anyways, I've nominated the article here; feel free to add in any Alts if there's a different wording or fact you'd like up there. Very nice article up there to be sure. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 21:23, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
So quick! Thank you, the hook looks good to me, the guys who decide tho seem to have high standards, so lets see. Glad you like the article, i hope it stands, Bradley is a legend among the fans, however not "notable" that much. Suede67 (talk) 21:27, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Do you have the DYK page on your watch? No one has replied, approved/disapproved it yet. How much time does it usually take? And i added a note there, can you change the hook accordingly? Suede67 (talk) 11:47, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

I check back once a day or so. It can take anywhere from a couple of hours to just over a week for people to get to it or check it over, depending on what other ones they want to look at first. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 15:25, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
Oh, ok. But then it beats the idea of a DYK, doesnt it?! The oldest open ones on the list are 30 Nov! They're old enough, arent they. I think i've read somewhere that only 5x expansions/new articles created within 4-5 days are eligible for DYK. Btw, i like the 2nd alt you did. Suede67 (talk) 16:17, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
That just means they have to have been 5x expanded or newly written five days prior to nominating the article; the review process can take a little while longer. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 22:22, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Speedy

!!! Thanks for looking out for it! I was soundly sleeping! Glad it was declined. That was the reason I waited for months before making the article, because there werent enough sources. Btw will the Speedy affect the DYK? Suede67 (talk) 06:33, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Btw, in your CSD contest, you wrote it does sound like an ad. Can you explain how? If you mean the mention of camera models/films, I guess its relevant, because fans of a photographer would like to know that, i'd say. i'm not off praising the products, just mentioning them. if you can do a quick copyedit to make it sound better, can do? Suede67 (talk) 06:54, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I noticed that you had been offline for a couple of hours so I decided to try and take care of it in case it was deleted before you returned. The CSD nomination shouldn't affect the DYK since it was declined. It was mostly the last sentence in the lead that sounded a bit like an advertisement, specifically the "He does commercial, wedding and music photography" part; it might just be me, but I think it kind of sounds like its promoting him for people to use at their weddings. It was really the only part that sounded like an ad to me anyways. I've got a couple of projects due in the next few days, but if I have any time to do any substantial editing a quick c/e will definitely be on the agenda. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 07:18, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
Haha, well, if a photographer does that and is notable, shouldnt that be added? :) Get it it whenever you can, no worries. Suede67 (talk) 07:21, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

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Why change the title "Ghost Winners Z" that I translated from Google translate to the new title "Phantom Ruler Z"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blubbermarble (talk • contribs) 18:08, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Google Translate is a pretty poor tool. From what I've seen from people who actually speak the language, Phantom Ruler Z is a more accurate translation. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 22:46, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

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Perfecto...

[1]. I had this one CD in 92, but lent it to someone.... By the way, I am kinda struggling with the Joshua Tree in my sandbox. I'm going to give it another go hopefully later. --Merbabu (talk) 09:14, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for the vid link! I'll try and get into the sandbox at some point soon, but I'm having a lot of computer problems at the moment which is why I haven't been doing much editing as of late. Somehow I got the Vundo trojan, and it's playing havoc with my system. Happy holidays! MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 14:20, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
Mullen quote of the week (in response to the criticism over Rattle and Hum):
"Everyone slags us off for comparing ourselves to these great groups," snaps Larry Mullen, "but that's bullshit. I mean, they said that to the Beatles, as well."
as for the Joshua Tree, yeah, it got to be heavy going. I will have another look at my sources. Perhaps it's just not as interesting as Achtung Baby. --Merbabu (talk) 04:15, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

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DYK request (again)!

Mind nominating another DYK for me? The article is "An Olive Grove Facing the Sea". The hook should go like this: "DYK that... the Snow Patrol song "AOGFTS" was recorded in two different studios, The Stables and Substation"?

The ref are the liner notes to the album. Will it work? Suede67 (talk) 18:37, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

You're back? Can you put this on DYK? Since i saw you were inactive for the past few days, i tried to put it myself, but didnt understand how. its the 4th day since the article has been online, not much time left. Suede67 (talk) 19:15, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Hahah, I beat you to the punch :P. Somehow I missed this message and saw it only a few minutes ago. I put it up for DYK, checked the new "City of Blinding Lights" review (passed with flying colours!), and then saw this message. With luck, it will be up on the main page. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 19:18, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Hahaha, i just came to know you were back because of COBL (in my watchlist, just saw it GA too!) Great work, the reviewer had no suggestions whatsoever! About the article though, i think it might be too short for a DYK? Just in case that hook doesnt work, we might have the one which talks about being called the "stalkers handbook version" of "Thirteen" Its an online source, so maybe better? Suede67 (talk) 19:28, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Also, do you happen to own any copy of Hot Press? I am using one HP published source here, and the ISSN i've got doesnt seem correct (reference 7). Click it once, and you'll know what I mean. Go to Paul Wilson, see reference 12. Suede67 (talk) 19:34, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
So long as it's sourced it should be okay; offline hooks are generally accepted, though I'm not sure about primary source offline hooks. You could put in an alt with an online source to be safe. Unfortunately I don't have any copies of Hot Press, but I'll check the sources and see whats up. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 19:36, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
I see. I didnt realize it was a primary source. So guess gotta change the hook to something else then. Because I dont have an alt source. Theres a real lack of sources on this song, thats why such a little article. So you could mention the comparison with "Thirteen" in the hook? No worries if you dont have a copy of HP, i dont think it will matter that much. The rest of the reference is accurate, page nos, author etc. Suede67 (talk) 19:51, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
I'm not sure if the primary source will matter or not. Just in case it does I'd recommend putting an alt in there (which are really very easy; it's just like any other talk page edit). MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 19:55, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Hmm, I'm not sure quite what's up with that. One possibility may be that (depending on how recent that article is) it just hasn't been added to WorldCat yet. The simplest solution may be to simply alter the link so that it redirects back to the article on the actual Hot Press website if you can find it and add a note saying it's only available to subscribers. Failing that, make it an offline reference to the print version without the ISSN (there's enough other material in the ref that the ISSN probably isn't needed). MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 19:40, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Oh ok, like last time, where you had put 2 alternatives? Whats the link, i'll keep it on my watch. Suede67 (talk) 19:59, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
T:TDYK; you'll have to scroll down to 4 January. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 20:02, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Got it. Suede67 (talk) 20:05, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Worldcat adds only magazines/books, and not specific articles. I really doubt HP isnt there in there database, becuase its been publishing since 1977. And the other one, Bass Guitar magazine, only since 2003, and it even ceased operation in 2007! I'm not sure if the link can be altered. Because when using cite journal, theres a "issn" field, and it automatically generates a link of whatever issn we put in. Again, I dont have an offline source, except a fan posting the whole article, in text, on the forums. But i guess you're right, that theres enough on the ref already. Suede67 (talk) 19:51, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Oh, I meant altering the link from the current website to the Hot Press website. You could remove the ISSN field and it wouldn't make any difference to the rest of the reference. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 19:55, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Didnt get you sorry, can you make an edit? If you mean a link on HP where the interview is, its not, it was published in the mag, but didnt appear on the website. You can keep the issn field in, no problem. Suede67 (talk) 19:59, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Will do. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 20:02, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
OOPS! Article was created on the 5th, not the 4th! Suede67 (talk) 20:11, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

←I have it as the 4th =S. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 20:14, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Its 5th to me, on the link too, maybe because i've set my wiki clock gmt+5:30. Suede67 (talk) 20:15, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
That'll be it; DYK goes by UTC, which is GMT I think. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 22:27, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

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Sandbox

Hey there

I won't be using the "charts charts" and the infobox as it stands in my sandbox. Rather, it's just the prose. So, feel free to go ahead and make those changes in the article proper. cheers. --Merbabu (talk) 00:23, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

 Done. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 00:33, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

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