User talk:MusicMaker5376/Archive 4

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Orphaned non-free image (Image:AWB screenshot.png)

Thanks for uploading Image:AWB screenshot.png. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. BetacommandBot 18:52, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

I've checked and this looks like a mistake the bot made, unless the tag was changed subsquent to the above. Sfan00 IMG 18:56, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

After the bot left the message, I cropped the image and changed the tag. — Music Maker 5376 19:20, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Re: Plumet in Les Misérables (musical)

Thanks for pointing out that mistake. I've added language tags to Rue Plumet in that article so it won't be 'corrected' again. I'll have a look for other mentions of that street in other articles and will add an exception to my lists if necessary. Thanks Rjwilmsi 17:01, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Anytime. — Music Maker 5376 19:56, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Nice User Page

I'm flattered by your use of my design stuff. If you have any questions about it (not that you would) feel free to ask! --omtay 38 17:43, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

All the icons are from the Commons:Category:Nuvola icon on WP:COMMONS and many are from the apps subsection of that. As for my status changer, it's a nifty little javascript utility with some fancy template work. The end result is i have four buttons next to the "log out" button at the top of the page that say "online, busy, around, and offline" (you can make them say whatever you want or look however you want). Here's a set of instructions if you want to use the status changer (reposted from another post i made)

Hello. I use a few different things to get my status changer to look the way it does. It's based on User:Topaz/statuschanger.js. My version is here. My pure status lives at User:Omtay38/Status and is put there by the statuschanger page. Then instead of putting the status on each one of my sub pages, i put it on my toolbar so when I put the toolbar template on a page, the status comes with. The code on the toolbar page is:
<div style="right:45px; display:none;" class="metadata topicon">
<big>Omtay38 is currently {{User:Omtay38/Status}}</big>
</div>
If you wanna put it on your page, just copy the contents of this page to here. Then your status will be updated here. Then all you need to do is put this code somewhere on the page(s) you want the status to be on:
<div style="right:45px; display:none;" class="metadata topicon">
<big>MusicMaker5376 is currently {{User:MusicMaker5376/Status}}</big>
</div>
Hope this helps! If you have any other questions, feel free to ask!

Now those are just instructions if you want it to look just like mine. I'm sure with some tweaking, you could use it to do many number of things. To change the different status options, just take a look at the top of the User:Omtay38/statuschanger.js page. You can include images and all other wiki-markup there. Then you can put the status wherever you want (simply by transducing the status page). As an extra little bit of magic, i put it on my toolbar template, not on each page to simplify the code of the page. Hope this helps! If you have any questions (or even if you just want me to copy it over for you) i'd be happy to help! --omtay 38 07:23, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Try emptying your browser's cache a few times (the instructions are on the .js page) if that dosen't work, try changing this line of code:

// true to use the personal bar, false to create a panel in the left column
topaz.statuschanger.usepersonalbar = true;

to this:

// true to use the personal bar, false to create a panel in the left column
topaz.statuschanger.usepersonalbar = false;

this should put the options in the left hand bar, not at the top. It's just a hunch, but if your using a lot of other javascript, that might be the problem. (Or not, i'll keep looking). --omtay 38 02:40, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

AHA! figured it out (forgot i did this)

go to here

paste this at the bottom

function inc (file) {
  var lt = String.fromCharCode(60);
  var gt = String.fromCharCode(62);
  if (file.indexOf(".js") > -1) {
    document.writeln(lt+'script type="text/javascript" src="/w/index.php?title='+file+'&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&dontcountme=s"'+gt+lt+'/script'+gt);
  } else if (file.indexOf(".css") > -1) {
    document.writeln(lt+'link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="/w/index.php?title='+file+'&action=raw&ctype=text/css" /'+gt);
  }
}

inc("User:Topaz/init.js");
inc("User:Topaz/util.js");
inc("User:Topaz/comm.js");
inc("User:Topaz/wputil.js");
inc("Special:Mypage/statuschanger.js");

empty the cache here and here. That should fix it :-D. --omtay 38 02:45, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Template cleanup

A few templates you created, Template:Infobox theatre, Template:Infobox theatre/doc, and Template:Infobox theater, have been marked for deletion as deprecated and orphaned templates. If, after 14 days, there have been no objections, the templates will be deleted. If you wish to object to their deletion, please list your objections here and feel free to remove the {{deprecated}} tag from the templates. If you feel the deletions are appropriate, no further action is necessary. Thanks for your attention. --MZMcBride 18:46, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Re: Template cleanup

I have nothing against redirects, and frankly, I didn't realize you had just created those pages. However, the /doc subpage doesn't need a redirect. The two other templates (Template:Infobox theater and Template:Infobox theatre) have no uses right now, which gives you a blank slate to start from. Obviously the capitalized version (Template:Infobox Theatre) is the correct version, so why not create a redirect at Template:Infobox Theater to allow for the American spelling, and we'll delete the other three pages? Thoughts? Cheers. --MZMcBride 21:51, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

AWB SVN

Hi, Could you update your SVN copy of AWB to the latest version (right click in/on folder and svn update)

Ive made some changes to the splash screen, and was wondering if you could build the latest SVN copy and see if its still all distorted

Cheers

Reedy Boy 23:39, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Walk me through the steps -- when I right click, I don't see anything that says SVN update. — Music Maker 5376 17:46, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:Titanic.jpg)

Thanks for uploading Image:Titanic.jpg. The media description page currently specifies that it is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, it is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the media was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that media for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

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The Chain Barnstar of Recognition

		The Chain Barnstar of Recognition
		For making a difference! This Barnstar isn't free, this is a chain barnstar, as payment please give this star to at least 3-5 others with 500+ edits but no barnstar. So that everyone who deserves one will get one. Hpfan9374 01:26, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Declined. — Music Maker 5376 23:39, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

The Chain Barnstar of Merit

		The Chain Barnstar of Merit
		For your hard work! This Barnstar isn't free, this is a chain barnstar, as payment please give this star to at least 4 others with 1500+ edits but no barnstar or has few barnstars. So that everyone who deserves one will get one. Hpfan9374 01:26, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Declined. — Music Maker 5376 23:39, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

The Chain Barnstar of Diligence

		The Chain Barnstar of Diligence
		For shaping Wikipedia! This Barnstar isn't free, this is a chain barnstar, as payment please give this star to at least 3 others with 2500+ edits but no barnstar or has few barnstars. So that everyone who deserves one will get one. Hpfan9374 01:26, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Declined. — Music Maker 5376 23:39, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

The Wikipedian's Chain Barnstar of Honour

		The Wikipedian's Chain Barnstar of Honour
		For building Wikipedia! This Barnstar isn't free, this is a chain barnstar, as payment please give this star to at least 2 others with 5000+ edits but no barnstar or has few barnstars. So that everyone who deserves one will get one. Hpfan9374 01:26, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Declined. — Music Maker 5376 23:39, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Images and thanks

Thanks for cropping those images, Molly looks great. I'll try cropping the next time I add an image, but I may ask for your help. And thanks for the tip about article-specific rationale for images-that's valuable. Finally, thanks for the "Barnstar"--I enjoy getting one, but it didn't occur to me that I was doing anything special by explaining my edits (which I do as much for me and for the record as for others). JeanColumbia 22:33, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

At the Drop of a Hat

Your change of the tense of the verb is incorrect. If you tried to put on a performance tomorrow, it would not be "At the drop of a Hat, because you are not Flanders and Swann. Unfortunately because of death even they can not repeat one. Therefore "At the Drop of a Hat" was a musical revue by Flanders and Swann. I suggest you change the verb back.

DonJay 02:35 20 August 2007 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DonJay (talk • contribs) 01:38, August 20, 2007 (UTC).

Not true. I could do the entire thing and call it At the Drop of a Hat. The present verb tense is correct. — Music Maker 5376 13:28, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

You could perform "A reading by Dickens", but it would be "A reading by Dickens" read by MusicMaker5376. Which is something different. DonJay 14:43, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that's not what we're talking about. It's not called "At the Drop of a Hat with Flanders and Swann", it's called "At the Drop of a Hat". The verb is correct. — Music Maker 5376 15:53, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationales

Let me know how you think we can best illustrate the article, or if there is a way to improve the fair use rationales. Best regards, -- Ssilvers 15:04, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

The editor's objections to the images are valid. As free images, we can't just use them because they make the article look pretty. They have to serve some purpose. The logo of Les Mis, the logo of A Chorus Line, etc., add no information whatsoever to the article. When these images are used on their respective articles, they are the primary visual representation of the subject of the article, not of an individual section or sentence. For millions of people the world over, the logo of Les Mis is Les Mis, so its use in its article is justified. The logo of Les Mis is not musical theatre. It is an example. A well-known example, but it's not "musical theatre". If we were to cut all of the non-free images in that article, nothing would be lost. If a non-free image is "worth a thousand words", then its inclusion is justified. I think they fail in this case.

Now, if we were to find non-free images of a concept being discussed in the article, it would be a different story. This is a little more difficult: it's hard to find an image that illustrates the growth from operetta to musical, for instance. I'll give the article a more thorough read tonight; I haven't read it in awhile. But, frankly, I'd rather see the article completely unillustrated than see a bunch of images that do very little to enhance the article. — Music Maker 5376 22:14, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Hello

Your "tools" page presently shows up in the Category:Wikipedia style guidelines. This is probably the result of heavy transclusion. Since your user page isn't actually a guideline, could you please fix that? Thanks, >Radiant< 14:41, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm.... I just took a quick look to see if I could find what was doing it, and I couldn't find it. When I'm not at work, I'll take a better look -- bear with me a little.... — Music Maker 5376 16:08, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

No problem, we're not in a hurry here :) >Radiant< 08:26, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Assessment

I believe that the following should all be assessed as stubs. If you agree, would you kindly re-assess them?: Rockabye Hamlet, ‎King of Hearts (musical)‎, Charlie and Algernon‎. I'm not sure how worried we should be about grade inflation, but it seems to me that assessing a stub correctly helps other editors to identify that it needs attention.... -- Ssilvers 21:57, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

A favor

Could you do me a favor? When I'm having a one-on-one conversation with an editor on wither their or my talk page, could you not comment? This newbie at Starlight doesn't need to be "double teamed" -- don't you think that two more senior editors telling him that he's wrong can be a little overwhelming? You do this just about all the time and I find it extremely irritating. It's akin to having a conversation with someone and having a third party keep interrupting, unasked. While what you have to say, I usually agree with, I don't need help making my case. If I do, I'll ask for it. — MusicMaker5376 02:07, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Sure thing. I did not understand that you meant to have a private conversation with the editor. I saw that someone reverted Jean's edit, so I was simply stating my opinion. I will try to bear in mind that if you make a comment first on someone's talk page, you would rather that I did not participate - this is a concept that is very foreign to me, but I'll try to be more sensitive to this. I see your point about newbies. However, of course, if I disagree with you, I reserve my right to state my disagreement. Obviously, also, this does not apply to the project talk pages, which are a public forum. Sorry you were annoyed; it was not my intention to upset you. We work together on the musicals project, and I think we have both done a lot of good here. I would be happy for you to let me know of any other items that concern you, but I'd prefer that you send them via the e-mail button. Best regards, -- Ssilvers 02:54, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Definitely -- if you disagree with what I say, I'm all about hearing it. And, definitely about article talks and project talks. It was just a little annoying that I was typing a response to him on his talk and came back with an edit conflict when we were basically saying the same thing. I moved the conversation to his talk because he was starting to respond in a reasonable manner and I didn't want him to feel like we were ganging up on him. I know you have lots of opinions -- I'm used to that ;-) -- but try to keep in mind that not every conversation requires an additional $.02. — Music Maker 5376 15:22, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Miracles

Just wanted to say that I agree- if Miracles truly has the pedigree you describe, it's notable (both by WP:MUSICALS and Wikipedia standards) even as an unproduced work. I say, if you can dig up sufficient info, go for it. ChrisStansfield ^Contribs 08:52, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, we'll see. I can't remember where I saw it, but if I find out more, I'm all over it. — Music Maker 5376 14:43, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Hello

I wasn't sure if you expected a response to your message here or on my talk page, so I'll post it at both places.

Actually, I added "image_size" to the template some time ago, but it was only today that I added the explanation. The line "image_size" does control the distortion of the image. I disagree that distortion has been infrequent because, in many instances where you yourself took an existing image from an article and included it in the infobox you were adding, the image was too large and distorted, and I had to correct it by adding the "image_size" line and an appropriate size (usually between 150px and 200px). I have done this often enough to assure you it's not "infrequent." Uploading a different image seems like unnecessary work when the existing one can be controlled by including and utilizing the "image_size" line on the infobox doc page. Thank you. ConoscoTutto 20:38, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:H2$.jpg

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Understood

I will make a jam band cat. Not sure how full it'll be though since not every jam band has a navbox (String Cheese Incident doesn't for example). --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 16:46, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Could be. Doesn't matter. With categorizing templates, I use the 5 rule. :) If there are 5 in a group, it's enough for a subcat. So. We have more than 5. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 01:15, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Toolbar sizing

Fair enough! and since imitation is the highest form of flattery (close second is a really big tip) I have borrowed your design for my page. Cheers! Her Pegship (tis herself) 21:34, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Thrill Me

I have reported 71.243.172.80 (who is certainly a sock puppet of Thrillmecd) for 3RR violations. Hopefully we can keep this mess under control! Docta247 19:02, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. I was going to, but I'm at work and it takes some time. I noticed that we're both at 3 reverts for the 24hr period. Hopefully someone else will be along soon. — Music Maker 5376 19:13, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Fair use disputed for Image:Pipe Dream 1955.jpg

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AWB

Earlier you reported that you were having display problems with WP:AWB in version 4.0.0.0. Can you do us a favor and upgrade to the newest version and let us know if you are still having the problem? If you could let us know at WP:AWB/DEV whether or not you have the problem, that would be great. Thanks again. —METS501 (talk) 14:45, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I promise you, at some point, I will. I recently started working 50 hr weeks and will probably be picking up a weekend thing, as well, so my time is at a premium. As soon as I can find 10 minutes of undiminished brain capacity, I'm on it.... — Music Maker 5376 02:52, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Image source problem with Image:Canterbury tales.gif

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Musical Theatre

I went through all the changes and tried to keep the good stuff and deal with the fancruft. Please review and see if you can refine further. BTW, have you come up with any ideas for illustrating the post-1923 parts of the article? There must be some free images somewhere of a major B'way/London show.... Or maybe some other creative solution? Best regards, -- Ssilvers 17:42, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Hairspray infobox question

Do we need to keep Helsinki and Tokyo in the Infobox? If you agree that they don't need to be there, would you kindly remove them? I'll leave it to you either way. Best regards, -- Ssilvers 15:31, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Meh. The "International Productions" line covers them, but I'm afraid that by only including English-language productions we may seem a little systemic bias-y. It's not like the list is exceedingly long. May as well leave them. — Music Maker 5376 15:48, 25 September 2007 (UTC)