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January 2019

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@Diannaa: So what part was actually copyrighted? Snickers2686 (talk) 17:31, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
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Jimmie V. Reyna

Hello, is there a reason you keep undoing edits to Judge Reyna's page? If you think something is inaccurate, please let me know. I'm sure you noticed that my additions are heavily cited. Thanks. EditingartIII (talk) 18:58, 17 January 2019 (UTC)EditingartIII

@EditingartIII: Your additions to the early life and education section only repeat what's in the first paragraph, i.e. where he got his degrees and such, and I don't see additional citations in that section. His professional career expansion needs additional citations as well. The citation regarding the Ohtli Award circles back to Wikipedia itself, there needs to be an article or press release, something to show when and why he got the award. Please see WP:RS to understand what is a reliable source. There are only two citations for the massive expansive on his personal life section, that may need to be cut down some so it doesn't contradict WP:LIBEL, we have to maintain a source of verifiability on nearly every new addition to any article, (see: WP:VERIFY) There are some claims that contradict themselves or need to be consolidated, for instance:

First it's said, "In 2009, Judge Reyna received the Ohtli Award, the highest honor bestowed by the Mexican government on non-Mexican citizens for work in the U.S. (and other countries) assisting Mexican citizens and promoting Mexican culture" and then later, "In 2010, he was a recipient of the Ohtli Medal Award (the highest honor bestowed by the Mexican government for non-Mexican citizens). The Ohtli is awarded to persons that have been dedicated to opening pathways for Latinos living in the United States." that can be condensed down. I can help you with adding things or perhaps re-writing them, but we need to find accurate citations that contain this information or it's likely to be reverted by myself and/or others. Snickers2686 (talk) 21:15, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Headline formatting in sources used by Deaths in 2019

By longheld consensus, we always keep the original formatting as presented by the sources we use to provide proof or guideline of decease, age, notability and cause of death (if known). We do not tamper with the headlines used by the sources at all, so that it is perceived we are staying faithful to exactly what is being reported and so that anyone following the link will see that their headline is identical to the one inserted in any subject line here. If you wish to bring this up at the Talk page there, please do (many others have tried to alter the consensus on this), but for now the changes you made through the script have been reverted. Thanks. Ref (chew)(do) 18:57, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

@Refsworldlee: So where is this consensus so I can familiarize myself with the rules? Snickers2686 (talk) 19:27, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
Ah, if only there were a set of listed rules! We'd all be the wiser then. Unfortunately, like any consensus it builds over time usually through trial and error, and across many posts - there's not really a way of saying "this or that was the exact point of consensus" - the conventions slip into routine, and leaving headlines "as is" has always been the norm. Editing articles and the information contained in them is what we do, but altering the content or formatting of source headlines (or whatever you might call them) wanders into the realms of creative original research. The best thing to do is head over to the Talk page and open a section about the subject. The replies you get from various regular editors will indicate which way the consensus actually swings, first hand. I can promise that those who have hung around this project for a long time have become conversant with the way things are done there, and are the best indicators by their replies through the Talk page. Ref (chew)(do) 19:44, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
(talk page watcher) Looking at the list this seems to be a matter of changing hyphens to dashes: I think that Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Dates_and_numbers#Quotations,_titles,_etc. is probably relevant, where it says "Quotations, titles of books and articles, and similar "imported" text should be faithfully reproduced, even if they employ formats or units inconsistent with these guidelines or with other formats in the same article". This presumably applies to "titles of ... articles" being used as references just as much as anywhere else. Hope that helps. PamD 22:50, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

POV based removal

Can you explain how my edit to the Patrick Bumatay page you reverted is a violation of POV standards? Especially so that it merited complete removal? When the Wall Street Journal editorial board is commenting on a judicial nomination, numerous online sites and political figures are chiming in and the nominee ends up demoted, thats noteworthy to me?

Thanks, DoesPolitics (talk) 01:54, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

@DoesPolitics: The majority of what you added did not state fact. What was the controversy? That he wasn't renominated or that he himself was controversial? Opinion pieces, which is part of you cited, are not reliable per WP:RSOPINION. I'll admit, the method in how he became a nominee might be noteworthy, it just needs a more refined touch—to say it's his lack of judicial but then point to other votes for nominees who lacked judicial experience, I can't see where it adds encyclopedic value. To me it didn't satisfy WP:NPOV because it didn't appear neutral. Snickers2686 (talk) 04:08, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

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Celebritynetworth.com as a source

Hi Snickers2686. I noticed that you recently used celebritynetworth as a source for biographical information in Ronnie Kroell. Please note that the general consensus as expressed at WP:RSN is that it does not meet the reliable sourcing criteria for the inclusion of personal information in such articles. If you disagree, let's discuss it. Thanks.--Ronz (talk) 22:23, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

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Judges appointed by Trump

Hi, just slightly confused by why you undid my edit on List of federal judges appointed by Donald Trump. The nominations of Michael T. Liburdi and Peter D. Welte have been reported by the Committee to the floor of the Senate, so surely it would make more sense to group their nominations with the others that have been reported to the floor rather than grouping them with the other nominations that are pending before the Committee? Would appreciate an explanation of your rationale on this matter Sdrqaz (talk) 19:29, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

@Sdrqaz: Hi, due to the color blocking, it doesn't matter how they're grouped. The color itself already signifies who has or has not been reported. It was agreed upon consensus amongst the main editors of the page that color-blocking/grouping did not matter, hence why I reverted your changes and kept it the way it was originally. Snickers2686 (talk) 12:49, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
@Snickers2686: Thanks for the clarification. While I disagree with the consensus formed by the editors, I accept that the decision has been made and therefore defer to those who are of greater experience than I.Sdrqaz (talk) 14:25, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.17

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Touchscreens are awkward...

Hey, sorry about the accidental rollback on S.B. Sinha - I meant to open a diff on my watchlist and mis-tapped on my phone. I've self-reverted. stwalkerster (talk) 08:38, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

@Stwalkerster: That's okay. I've done a "whoops" or a "Crap! I didn't mean to do that!" a couple times too. Have a good one! Snickers2686 (talk) 17:07, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Reply

I’ve not seen it that way myself. Going by prominent Canadians like Justin Trudeau or David Suzuki they go by the (Month Day, Year) method. Rusted AutoParts 01:40, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Georg Katzer

The "self-published" tag on the composer made me laugh, but that was probably not your intention. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:20, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

May I have your email address?

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NPR Newsletter No.18

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WMF at work on NPP Improvements

Niharika Kohli, a product manager for the growth team, announced that work is underway in implementing improvements to New Page Patrol as part of the 2019 Community Wishlist and suggests all who are interested watch the project page on meta. Two requested improvements have already been completed. These are:

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Adding Race and Ethnicity to Federal Appointments

Snickers, you have really done a wonderful job at keeping this area of Wikipedia clean! I spent a lot of time researching the demographic differences appointed by Obama and Trump. I was really hoping to see this represented in both Obama and Trump's page and maybe even in previous presidential appointment pages. There is not very much published online recently. One interesting fact is that Trump has yet to get an African American confirmed to the judiciary. I think this should be made public. Can you help me find a way to represent this either on the presidential appointment page or another page that analyzes that data? Thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bpakter1 (talk • contribs) 10:27, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

I was going to comment on Bpakter1's own comment page, but I see he's initiated a discussion over here. Some quick points: (1) @Bpakter1: Welcome to Wikipedia! Please sign your comments on talk pages by typing four tildes (~) at the end of your comment. (2) I don't think I object, in principle, to including this information in the tables on Trump's page, as long as the data is verifiable and complete. (3) I am not bothered by the fact that other judges pages don't show this; changes have to start somewhere, and the data could be added to previous pages. Just because other similar articles are organized a certain way doesn't mean this article has to be organized that way. (4) There is no need to launch an incomplete addition; I'm not sure what Bpakter1 meant saying they had "run out of time" to finish, but there's always time to finish data collection before releasing to the public. (5) Perhaps it would be better simply to add a section to the article on "Demographics" rather than adding two columns to the table(s), especially when so many of the entries are going to be identical (i.e., male and white). (6) The addition of this information is probably something that should be discussed on the talk page for the article. (7) Trump has appointed at least one African-American to the judiciary (Terry Moorer is the one who leaps to mind), albeit to a District Court; it is true that he has not yet appointed (or even nominated) any African-Americans to the appellate bench. (8) I think the Alliance for Justice has already collected a lot of the data you are looking for; I'm not sure if they meet Wikipedia's source standards or not, but at the very least they should be helpful in your research. See here, especially the "Judicial Selection Snapshot." LacrimosaDiesIlla (talk) 15:24, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Adding Some New Things

Is there anyway you can edit the changes I am about to write about on the List of United States federal judges by longevity of service. I would do it, but I don't know how to do it. R. James Harvey did not end senior status service on December 4, 2017 like it says on the United States district court section. The total combined service section lists him correctly as being in active senior status service, but not the United States district court section. There is one judge that needs to be added on the total combined service section and the United States district court section. The judge is John Francis Grady, who was appointed by Gerald Ford, and many reports claim he retired. The Federal Judicial Center does not list him as retired, and when I emailed them about this, they said that he went on inactive senior status, not retirement like many reports have said. They told me they would have gotten a notification if he had retired. His profile is on the Federal Judicial Center, and it doesn't mention him as retired. He started his judicial service on November 21, 1975 and he should be on the total combined service section and the United States district court section. I do not know how to make these changes, and if someone could do it for me that would be really helpful.Ameet12345 (talk) 18:03, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

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Tax Court!

If you are interested, I have 33 drafts underway for United States Tax Court judges, at Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/United States judges and justices#United States Tax Court. Most of them have (unformatted) Official Congressional Directory information. bd2412 T 01:30, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

New Page Review newsletter July-August 2019

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