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Hello! I'm relatively new to Wikipedia, so if I make any mistakes, please (politely) tell me what it was. TheAwesomeAtom (talk) 02:32, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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I notice that you did not receive a welcome, so here you go. There are innumerable ways to make mistakes on Wikipedia until they're pointed out! This is (nearly) always meant helpfully, as here: I've noticed that in some of your edits you've changed a valid UK term or spelling to a US one. Please see WP:ENGVAR for more details as to why this is generally incorrect. Best wishes, Ingratis (talk) 15:51, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please keep going[edit]

Don't be discouraged! Wikipedia is very complicated, and we all make mistakes all the time: just take the points on board and carry on !Ingratis (talk) 12:22, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Military barnstar[edit]

Sorry, I only just now noticed the military barnstar you left on my page. Thank you very much for that! :) EkoGraf (talk) 13:15, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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I have sent you a note about a page you started[edit]

Hello, TheAwesomeAtom. Thank you for your work on SPT-140. User:Lightburst, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:

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@Lightburst: Of course! Thanks for the feedback! TheAwesomeAtom (talk) 23:49, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your edits on language pages[edit]

First off, languages, including living, heritage, dead, or extinct, are all generally talked about in the present tense. See Proto-Indo-European language, Elamite language, Sumerian language, etc. Not only that, but if we follow how institutions talk about those languages, they are described in present tense:

  1. Lushootseed is described by the tribes as still existing, and present tense is used by academic institutions such as the University of Washington and University of Oregon [1][2][3][4][5]
  2. Columbia-Moses is described in present tense, even after the death of the last fluent speaker in May.[6]
  3. Mentions of Pentlatch in the media use both past and present tense.[7]
  4. Present tense is used for Cowlitz despite it being extinct for about 25 years now.[8]


On whether or not a language is extinct, we can either prescribe that based on the definition of extinction, of which there are generally two: "when the last native speaker dies" or "when it is not being used by any first or second-language speakers"

  1. Lushootseed has no more native speakers, but has many second language speakers, and is described as "critically endangered" but not extinct... It is also classified as Critically Endangered by UNESCO's atlas.[9][10][11]
  2. Columbia-Moses is classified as critically endangered by UNESCO. It still has second-language speakers. However, since the passing of the last native speaker, it has been described as extinct.[12] I would say it is up for debate on the article's talk page. To me, it is dormant, or dead, but not extinct.
  3. Pentlatch is not extinct by any means. There is still at least one native speaker. Qualicum First Nation held a ceremony "reawakening" the language in 2022.[13]
  4. Cowlitz is described as both dormant and extinct, with at least 25 second-language speakers of varying fluency.[14][15] I would agree with dormant, as it is a heritage language that is being revitalized. Again, up for debate on the specific page.


Of the four of these, only two are described as extinct. The other two have second language speakers, and are more aptly classified as 'dead' or 'dormant'. PersusjCP (talk) 06:24, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • I absolutely concede the tense issue, my bad. On the four extinct languages, I was going solely off of the information I saw on here. They were labelled as extinct, so I figured they were. I will admit that due diligence was not done. However, Columbia-Moses is down and out. It's not classified as extinct by the UNESCO not because it isn't, but because the UNESCO typically releases new lists in January, so reclassification will likely not happen this year. Anyway, Latin has L2 speakers, but I'd still list it as Latin (†). I hope this clears things up, and have a great day! TheAwesomeAtom (talk) 09:04, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    That's fair! I think the extinct-dead-dormant distinction is specific to the language, depending on the cultural and political context. Since it has been talked about it that way, I can see Columbia-Moses being marked as extinct. I think there should be further input from others on the talk page for that though, since it could also be described as dead, since there are L2 speakers, or dormant, since it is a heritage language which is being revitalized. PersusjCP (talk) 15:52, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I'll change the documentation for Salishan from "extinct languages are marked with (†)" to "languages with no remaining native speakers are marked with (†)" and add a footnote for the ones experiencing revival efforts. TheAwesomeAtom (talk) 16:14, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Also, I totally agree that the language families pages have some really horrible discrepancies and errors. Looking over them last night, I realized that. I'll probably go through and fix what I can in the next day or so! PersusjCP (talk) 15:57, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I've noticed the same and made edits to those effects, including total rewrites of the trees and tables for Salishan languages, Interior Salish languages, and Coast Salish languages, as well as various smaller edits for accuracy. Keep up the good work! (We've essentially become a two-person WikiProject, huh?) TheAwesomeAtom (talk) 22:34, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Query on Medical resources warning[edit]

Hi Awesome. You have insisted on keeping a non-medical source despite this warning (note especially the final sentence about removal):

As I am relatively new to Wikipedia, could you please explain to me the status of this warning. Does it not imply that the default position is removal of non-medical sources? And anyone wishing to keep non-medical resources needs to justify it on the Talk page? Otherwise what is the point of the warning? Genuine question, I look forward to your answer. 109.153.95.16 (talk) 20:51, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Happy to help! The status means that there are too few sources. The solution to having too few sources is to add new ones, not remove old ones. Basically, it is saying, "We have a good amount of news sources, can someone add some medical ones on top of those?" On Wikipedia, sources are almost never removed if they are true and reliable. For example, that source we fought over would only be removed if you show that it is bad info from an untrustworthy source. If you want to help, try finding some medical papers and adding them! I hope that helps. TheAwesomeAtom (talk) 22:03, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Can you tell me a little more about the two Indian cases - how was paternity established? (Background: Wikipedia has been plagued by bogus Indian fertility treatment institutes making pseudo-medical claims for financial gain, so it is important to distinguish fact from fiction in this field.) 109.153.95.16 (talk) 23:14, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The Times of India is widely recognized as the single most reliable English-language source in not just India, but all of South Asia. My policy is to trust them unless someone finds a contradictory source. However, if you find the claim suspicious, I encourage you to see if you can find a debunking! TheAwesomeAtom (talk) 17:05, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Updating figures[edit]

Good afternoon, just wanted to reach out as a courtesy to let you know that I reverted your edits on 2023 Israel-Hamas war. You updated the numbers but didn't updated the sources; if you have the sources, you can under my revert, just please add your source as well. This article is quite difficult to keep up to date. Thank you - AquilaFasciata (talk | contribs) 19:27, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I thought I added it. My bad! TheAwesomeAtom (talk) 19:46, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No worries! - AquilaFasciata (talk | contribs) 20:03, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I've also reverted the figures you've added to Template:2023 Israel–Hamas war infobox because they lacked citations. Please do not change the figures without adding citations. Ecrusized (talk) 20:58, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Genuinely could have sworn I updated the citations. Did I not? TheAwesomeAtom (talk) 22:03, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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