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June 21

USING ALL CAPS

Is there any Wikipedia process addressing the use of ALL CAPS in discussions? I checked Wikipedia:Civility and Wikipedia:Etiquette, but couldn't find anything. I found a post "It is very important not to write all in capital letters, and to understand how the two types of letters are use in English. On the internet, writing in all capital letters is considered to signify shouting, and others will think it very rude indeed." but no Wikipedia source cited. I would be happy even if you located a Wikipedia essay addressing the matter. Thanks! -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 00:24, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

See WP:TALK -

Avoid excessive markup: It undermines a reasoned argument with the appearance of force through Italic text, Bolded text, and especially CAPITAL LETTERS, which are considered SHOUTING, and RANTING!!!!! Italics, however, can be usefully employed for a key word, to distinguish quoted text from new text and, of course, book titles etc.

--Haemo 00:31, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick response! -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 00:37, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

bujutsu / budo corrections

How do I go about offer-eing corrections for incorrect information under the heading Budo?

Either do it yourself, by clicking "edit", or use the talk page. --Haemo 00:30, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

The talk page in question is Talk:Budo. See Help:Talk page so you know how to follow the talk page guidelines. --Teratornis 14:07, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Faceboy's page deleted

This morning, I found out that a page was created for Faceboy, the stage name of a NYC Lower East Side-based poet, open mic host who is a force behind the Art Stars movement, a community of artistic minded people. The page was marked for speedy deletion, presumably because it was not extensive enough to denote his notariety. As soon as it was marked, people who are online and familiar with Faceboy's work started pulling together links to articles and similar backing info to fill out the page. The page was coming along nicely, when it was deleted -- despite the efforts to meet standards. Why wasn't this page given enough time to evolve into a page that met standards? Clearly there were people working on it. It makes no sense. Digit LeBoid 01:35, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Use Deletion review to protest a deletion. --Haemo 01:40, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Faceboy was deleted [1] by User:Anetode with reference to WP:CSD#A7. You can contact that editor at User talk:Anetode. See also Wikipedia:Notability (people) and Wikipedia:Deletion policy. I see Talk:Faceboy has been created after the deletion. Wikipedia does usually not have talk pages for deleted articles and it is at risk of being deleted. PrimeHunter 01:49, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Actually, it looks like the talk page had existed a few hours when the article was deleted, and Anetode omitted to delete the talk page. PrimeHunter 01:57, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Hello. I am Francis R Hall aka Faceboy. Please forgive me if I am not properly addressing this issue in the correct forum. I posted on the Talk:Faceboy page already but that too is, "at risk of being deleted". PrimeHunter and/or Anetode I would very much appreciate it if you would look at my post on Talk:Faceboy and bring back the page which you should see was deleted erroneously. Thank you. Faceboynyc 15:18, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm not an administrator, so I cannot see or bring back deleted articles. Wikipedia has many policies and guidelines, and an administrator deleted the article because it appeared to fail them. If the person satisfies Wikipedia:Notability (people) (which I'm unsure about), then perhaps the problem can be solved by modifying the deleted article. You can discuss with the deleting administrator by placing a message at User talk:Anetode. The software alerts editors about new messages to their talk page. PrimeHunter 17:41, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you Jens (PrimeHunter). As noted I am new to these boards. I saw that you had been awarded here for helping editors and can see from your speedy response why that would be. I do wonder with all the evidence presented, the ease with which one can google Faceboyz Open Mike and the several references already on Wikipedia (Art Stars, Surf Reality, etc)to me why you would still be unsure about whether I meet the guidelines for notable people. After reviewing said guidelines I would certainly think that my two best of Manhattan awards from the New York Press, two Best of New York awards from the Village Voice, referances in the New York Times, Wall Street Journal etc. would more than suffice. Nonetheless I appreciate your help and will probably follow your suggestions. Thanks again. Faceboynyc 21:08, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

As mentioned, I cannot see the deleted article. I had not seen "Faceboyz" before and only googled "Faceboy", and I did not examine the found pages. People considered suitable for a biography often have more Google hits, but the important thing is who the sources are and what the say, and not how many hits there are on the name. PrimeHunter 21:33, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Jens, you are being so kind. Unfortunately my lack of internet experience is making this whole thing kind of difficult. When I clicked the suggested link I still couldn't figure out exactly where to go to talk directly to Anetode. If you don't mind helping a little more perhaps you could google, "Faceboyz Open Mike" wherein you will find the required sources including a full page article from Time Out New York entitled, "Mr. Microphone" which was written as coverage for my 600th open mike, also covered on N.B.C. television. The truth is I find all of this a little embarassing but fortunately have some extra time this week. Wikipedia is widely respected otherwise I wouldn't be doing this and again, truly appreciate your help and speedy replies. Could you maybe please use your expertise and experience just a little more and perhaps once you've seen the evidence contact Anetode for me?Faceboynyc 22:07, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

To write a message to Anedote, go to User talk:Anetode and click + at the top. Note that WP:CSD#A7 says "An article about a real person ... that does not assert the importance or significance of its subject". I'm not the right person to discuss with since I haven't seen the article, but maybe the problem was lack of the required assertion, or of reliable sources. Many articles about people failing Wikipedia:Notability (people) are created every day - often by themselves, and often making wildly exaggerated unsourced claims. The editors don't always have time to search for information to see whether an article with unsuitable content can be changed into something satisfying our guidelines. I rarely edit biographies and don't know American media or your business, so I don't want to help research sources or write an article. PrimeHunter 22:36, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

As has been established, I didn't attempt to start a page here on myself. In my opinion that would be unbecoming of a gentleman. I'm sorry that you thought I was asking you to write an article on me and the help you've provided in leading me to the click x certainly suffices for what I meant to request. I'm assuming good faith on your behalf that you were not refering to me as one, "making wildly exaggerated unsourced claims". Since you don't know American media or my business I agree that you are not the right person to discuss this with. In American media the front page of the arts and leisure section of the Sunday edition or the New York Times could be considered the most "reliable source" for my field. Guess where I found the link mentioning my show as, "consistently entertaining" in a four page article from just that source? Of course right here in your Wikipedia under Art Stars wherein Faceboyz Open Mike also appears. Here it is as it appears in my attempt to cut and paste from your source (I'm really not good with computers); # Take The New Comedy. Please. PDF version of New York Times article by Neil Strauss. Anyway I'll take this up with Anetode some day via the click x and wish you the best with your interests in prime constellation records. I do hope that my friends account with your Wikipedia that has been deleted presumably for his kindness in starting all of this is reinstated soon but please don't think I'm asking for your help any further. Take care,Faceboynyc 04:28, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Contacting Members.....

I just logged into your network today and everything seems so new/strange to me. I would appreciate your advising me how to look up biographies of members, and then how to contact a member via email. Thank You ! Sincerely, Todd1970 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Todd1970 (talk • contribs)

Not all members have bios, or email. You can view both if they exist, by clicking on their usernames. --Haemo 02:20, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Note that Wikipedia (see also Wikipedia:About) is not a social network. It's a free encyclopedia and we are the editors. We usually contact other editors to discuss editing by placing a message on their user talk page or the talk page of an article. PrimeHunter 03:14, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

See: Wikipedia:Emailing users and Help:Talk page. It's hard to know which form of communication between users is more common (although I imagine the MediaWiki software that runs Wikipedia is keeping track somewhere). I imagine that most experienced editors prefer to communicate via talk pages, but users with less experience vastly outnumber experienced users on Wikipedia (there are 47,327,303 registered user accounts, and perhaps a comparable number of unregistered users, but only a tiny percentage have a substantial number of edits yet; user edits may follow a Pareto distribution similar to personal wealth, the sizes of human settlements, and the sizes of meteorites (I'm no mathematician but I recognize a Pareto distribution when I see one, even if I could not just now remember the name of it and I had to click a few links on Wikipedia to recall it from information I did remember)). Almost everybody who visits Wikipedia is already familiar with e-mail, so that might be the first method they think to use. Talk pages, however, have several advantages over e-mail (for example, the discussion about an article stays attached to the article for everyone else to easily find), so we (the relatively experienced users who answer questions on the Help desk) like to use them. Read Help:Talk page to learn the talk page guidelines. --Teratornis 14:31, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

I should mention another huge advantage of talk pages: since they are wiki pages, they have the full expressive power of wikitext. For example, it's very easy to add links to a talk page entry (as I am doing here), so you merely refer to information on another page without having to retype or paraphrase all of it. In e-mail, generally we have to refer to things by URL which is clumsier to type and harder to read, and many people who write e-mail don't bother to provide links for the various things they mention, even when the reader might well need such links to get more background. --Teratornis 14:40, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Pictures in Infoboxes

I have uploaded a picture into the infobox of cricketer Graeme Smith but it seems to be too small. If I were to place the picture elsewhere in the article I could have it massive. Is there a way to make it bigger such as with the one on Steve Harmison's infobox? Cheers Crickettragic 05:42, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Harminson's pic only looks larger because it's a closer shot and it has a longer vertical dimension — the width dimension in both articles is identical, however. I checked the specs for the Infobox Cricketer template and it specifies a width of 154px. Many Infoboxes allow the dimensions to be set as a parameter on the article page, but not this one. It's certainly possible for someone to change the hardcoded 154px value to something larger, but keep in mind it will affect every article that uses that box. I checked recommended Infoboxes at WikiProject Cricket to see if there was an alternative available that allowed setting the pixels, and although they sure have a lot of boxes, none fits your need. You might be better off finding a better pic of Smith. Or discuss changing the Infobox specs on the Cricket Project's Talk page. Jim Dunning | talk 06:16, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Alleged breach of copyright

My 3 recent small contributions regarding 103 Squadron RAF, 576 Squadron RAF and RAF Elsham Wolds have been deleted due to some copyright reason. I do not understand. I wrote these 3 little historical summaries in 1998. All 3 appear on the Squadron website and the Association website. I am the main contributor of the former and the webmaster of the later. Please explain how this has happened and advise what I should do to correct this. Amberleaf11947 07:59, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

We can't accept material which has been published previously, without written consent of the original author. Use the "contact us" link to get in touch with with someone who can help you sort this out. --Haemo 08:02, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Not necessarily "the original author". If the original author is an employee of a company which owns the website where the material appears, or has given exclusive copyright to that company, then the company itself is the copyright holder. If Amberleaf11947 is the copyright holder, then he/she should read Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials. Corvus cornix 23:26, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Link a wikipedia search results page

^{Superscript text}how can i link a wikipedia search results page to my own web site. [[ == PORRIK ==]] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.195.205.66 (talk)

Do the search. Copy & paste the link into your website.

If you want the results themselves to display inside your page, updated in real time... don't. It'd be using Wikipedia's servers to constantly do work for your own website when anyone visits your site. Not cool. -- Kesh 22:48, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

New password

Please assist.

After severall attemps a new password was not recieved via e-mail. My Username is Mattie and my e-mail adress is (removed) I need assistance urgently — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.242.205.184 (talk)

User:Mattie has a single edit [2] in 2006. If it is you, or if you tried to create an account and have no edits, then just create a new account. PrimeHunter 15:25, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

MS Dos

How to start a Dos program. 4.250.45.210 11:12, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

This is the page for asking questions about Wikipedia itself. You want the WP:Reference desk. -- Kesh 22:49, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Problem with another user

If I am having a problem with another user's actions, but I am the only one having said problems, how can I go about reporting this and having the issue addressed? I requested mediation with the person, who refused; I posted a notice at the Admin's noticeboard, and it went by ignored and I was reprimanded for posting in the wrong place; A request for comment on the article where the user has violated several policies, was ignored and I was told that I needed to begin a Request for comment on the user himself; I began a request for comment on the user and now find out that two users must be having the same problem for it to even be considered.

If a user is personally harassing me and breaking policies, there has to be some way for this to be addressed. How on earth can I do this? Rhythmnation2004 11:48, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

TRAIN STOPAGE

PL LET ME KNOW WHETER VIRAMGAM PASSANGER STOPS AT ANDHERI ?

Don't type it all caps. It is the Internet equivalent of screaming at people. Also, this is a help desk for Wikipedia, not for the Surat Rail Service. --Kainaw ^(talk) 13:27, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

ComponentOne

Thanks for the feedback. I’m interested in placing an entry about ComponentOne into Wikipedia in order to tell about our 20-year history in Pittsburgh, PA and San Francisco, CA and the interesting evolution of our products. This is my initial entry which I don’t believe to be “Blatant Advertising” as it has been categorized, given the definition of the same that has been provided. In addition, a company that is similar to ours in history and product called “Developer Express” has a detailed entry which has been accepted by Wikipedia and revised many times by an employee within that company.

If you could give some detail as to how the submitted text falls into the “Blatant Advertising” category I would be most appreciative. I will revise and resubmit upon your feedback.

Tracyngunz 13:02, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

ComponentOne was deleted after being tagged with {{db-spam}}. See also Wikipedia:Spam#Advertisements masquerading as articles. I'm not an administrator so I cannot see the deleted article. Wikipedia:Conflict of interest strongly discourages to make an article about your own company. If it satisfies Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) then somebody else will probably make an article at some time. Articles should be based on Wikipedia:Reliable sources, and satisfy Wikipedia:No original research and Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. PrimeHunter 14:37, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Also see: WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. The Developer Express article you mention as being comparable to your ComponentOne article may not yet have received scrutiny from experienced Wikipedia editors to see whether it complies with Wikipedia policies. (Wikipedia is an all-volunteer project, with relatively few experienced users to police the work of many inexperienced users whose first ambition is often to create new articles. One could argue that this is a kind of ergonomic bug in Wikipedia, as its design appears to encourage new users to start out the "wrong" way, i.e., creating new articles without first gaining experience by making many small edits to existing articles and understanding how Wikipedia works.) However, now that you have mentioned it on the Help desk, Developer Express may well receive some further oversight. For a better example (in fact a featured example) of an article about a corporation, see: Microsoft. We may strongly suspect the Microsoft article has received input from Microsoft employees; yet they managed to comply with Wikipedia policies well enough for the article to receive Wikipedia's highest quality rating. If you can rewrite ComponentOne such that it satisfies the requirements for a featured article, it won't get deleted. Note that satisfying those requirements is not easy, although everything one could need to know about how to do it has been written in Wikipedia's manuals.

In any case, see Wikipedia:Why was my article deleted?. Google:ComponentOne finds lots of hits, so the company almost certainly satisfies the notability requirement. You might try recreating your article on another wiki so we can see it, and advise you on what it would need to satisfy Wikipedia's policies. (Another arguable ergonomic bug on Wikipedia is that only administrators can see the text of deleted articles; usually by the time a user asks Why was my article deleted? on the Help desk, the article is already deleted, and many Help desk volunteers are not administrators, so we can't see it to provide specific advice, and most people who end up asking why their articles were deleted are new users, so they were not initially aware of the high probability that their new articles would be deleted, and they did not save a copy for our review. All these factors come together to create a perfect storm for new users who begin by assuming a good first Wikipedia editing project is to create a new article.) --Teratornis 15:16, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

White House image 1865 - copyright tag

Okay. I'm new and clueless here. I filled out the fields that were available when I uploaded the image. Now I'm told that I need to re-format the image in edit, I presume, but no instructions on exactly what the tag line should look like, where it is inserted into the edit, or how.

I HAVE read your information on how important it is, and agree to add the information, if you'll just walk me through it. Give me the straight and narrow -- not 10 more pages about how important it is that I do it.

HOW do I write up the image upload so that it includes the copyright tag? Where does it go in relation to the existing image upload line?

Does it look like this? {{copyright tag|Image:file name... etc.

I am working on this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_of_the_Confederacy

• I've gone ahead and added a {{PD-US}} tag for the image published before 1923. If it was a work of the American government, {{PD-USgov}} would be a better work, I don't know that it is. If the photographer died before 1907, {{PD-Old}} would be even better. WilyD 13:10, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Since it's an image of the Confederate government, and not of the US government, the US tags wouldn't be correct. PD-Old sounds best. Corvus cornix 23:28, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Linking to pages in other languages ?

Looking through the DNA database related page on en.wikipedia, I came across a redlink for FNAEG, which is the French DNA database. I was going to create a new page for this, but then discovered one already exists on fr.wikipedia.org (but in French). If I created one in en.wikipedia.org, this would seem to be a duplication of existing data - so is there a policy for/against creating new pages when they already exist on Wikipedia, but in other languages ? CultureDrone 13:41, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

It's encouraged to have articles on notable topics in many languages and to link between them. Many articles have a box called "in other languages" to the left. See Help:Interlanguage links. Articles can be translated between languages in Wikipedia (allowed by the GFDL license used in Wikipedia), but they can also be developed independently. See Wikipedia:French Collaboration Project for the possibility of getting help to translate fr:FNAEG. PrimeHunter 14:13, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism

Could someone more experienced than me have a look at some vandalism (moved pages to silly titles) perpetrated by user:Emperor Tony X. Liu II. I have tried to revert it but nothing happens. the page is WILLYam Wilberforce. Thanks Brograve 14:19, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

That'd be vandalsim a la Willy on Wheels. What that infamous user did is he move page to names like Lemon on Wheels... What I do is go it the users contributions, then logs, then I click a revert link that reverts the move. Evilclown93_(talk) 14:42, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Shri Vidya

I have uploaded one article titling Shri Vidya. I think this has not yet been approved. May I know the reason for rejection please? This is my first contribution . I am still learning the procedure.Lalitasrami 14:39, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

If you are referring to this edit, then it was in the wrong place. An article should be created at Shri Vidya. See also Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article. PrimeHunter 14:51, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

You can also suggest an article for review first at Wikipedia:Articles for creation. PrimeHunter 15:01, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I create a page "João Branco Núncio", this page was deleted by you, on 16 June, because it wasn't in English, but that was the result of research and I don't have a copy, could you send me the original in English so that I can translate?

Please send a message to User talk:Anthony.bradbury, who deleted the article. Such requests are typically honored. YechielMan 15:19, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Information about publisher.

Hello!

I'm writing this to inform you that Chuang Yi Publishing : www.chuangyi.com.sg

Does not publish hentai as it was stated in the definition. One of the banned forum members who was removed for stalking and flaming a member there apparently has now has turned to wikipedia to vandalise its contents (albet covertly). So far, there have been changes made in the wiki site about CY including some that directly attacks a member of the forum (and deleted by our own forum members)

But because this is beyond the moderators of the forum to ban a member from Wiki, if we are able to provide evidence as well as the person's IP address, could wiki look to do something about it?

your help on this is appreciated!

Cheers.

Please copy this message to Talk:Chuang Yi. It's hard for me to see exactly what's going on here. Generally we don't judge editors for what they do off-wiki, but we will stop them if they insert false information or otherwise disrupt the wiki. Please follow up if you need further advice. YechielMan 15:26, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Ghana

[[Image:Example.jpg]]

What is your question? If you want to know about Ghana, click here. Stwalkerster talk 16:13, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

wikitable date sortability not working

At WP:FLC List of Chicago Landmarks was at first suggested to be converted from wikitable to wikitable sortable. However, we discovered that date sortability only works with YYYY-MM-DD or YYYYMMDD formats. Where do I make the suggestion that the date sorting logic be improved to make it possible to sort a broad spectrum of date formats including the standard [[Month DD]] [[YYYY]] format. --TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 16:10, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

See the instructions for feature requests at the top of WP:VPT, namely to use Bugzilla. --Teratornis 16:42, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

And see some discussions on Help talk:Sorting about feature requests, for example Help talk:Sorting#Numeric sorting doesn't work. --Teratornis 16:45, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

It seems that this has already been reported to Bugzilla. --TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 06:17, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Ref./Footnote format for Great Red Spot?

The Great Red Spot article is coming to have a mix of literary references and journal citations. The former is being referenced via a brief footnote; the later through the cite journal template. Is this the recommended approach for mixed citations? Should I be placing the journal references into the "References" section and then just use a brief footnote for the citation? Or perhaps it's better to just scrap this approach and use Harvard referencing? The Wikipedia:Citing sources page doesn't seem completely clear on this issue. But I'd like this page to be able to pass WP:GA, so a recommended approach would be appreciated. Thank you! — RJH (talk) 16:11, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

It seems responses are slow in coming for this question, perhaps because none of the current batch of Help desk volunteers have specific knowledge. So I will throw in some generic knowledge. For style questions not decided by a site-wide guideline or policy page, check the relevant WikiProject(s) to see if they cover the particulars for articles of a given type. Check Talk:Great Red Spot to identify the WikiProject overseeing the article; it is: Wikipedia:WikiProject Solar System. That WikiProject page is pretty well-organized (i.e., someone must have read WP:PROJGUIDE), so it has a list of good articles. I suggest examining all the good articles in that list, and see what referencing systems they use. If that doesn't reveal a consistent style, check the featured articles. You might also read all the discussion on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Solar System and ask your question there if it wasn't answered already. --Teratornis 19:36, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I don't think the WikiProj. would be too helpful in that regard, but I'll try checking through some more GA/FA articles for similar instances....

...and it looks like History of Puerto Rico uses something similar. I'll just use that as my example. — RJH (talk) 20:26, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

How do you stop a spammer from placeing advertising links in an article? DJREJECTED keeps spamming an article

DJREJECTED is a spammer, and I need to know how to get him stopped.

Thanks

I'm confused. DJREJECTED himself just reported two IPs for exactly that reason at WP:AIV. Anyway, the mods will sort it out. YechielMan 17:13, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

This is User:USALAND and seems a sock puppet of User:76.97.227.152, known for spamming and vandalising Wikipedia. I wouldn't take this too seriously. Freestyle 17:19, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Hey I appreciate you adding this...because I know I'm not spamming. I was thinking he was the same guy from before, he just got himself a username and is tired of people reverting his spam, so he is "taking control" of the article. --DJREJECTED 01:32, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

t.s. elliot

Where can I fint "The Second Coming" by T.S Eliot?

We only have the article The Second Coming (poem) by William Butler Yeats. Freestyle 18:12, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Other meanings on WILCO

I would offer that in addition to the Band name, there is another meaning for the term WILCO. WILCO is one of the "pro" words in the military radio operations and procedures that abbreviates the phrase, "Will Comply." The term WILCO is generally provided when a person talking on the radio will accomplish what is being asked or directed, as in "Will do."

There is a link at the top of the band's article which leads to the disambiguation page. If you believe that one should be lead to the disambiguation page rather that the band's page when searching for WILCO, you should request a move. LaraLove^T/_C 21:11, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Questions regarding a WIKI posting about our company

Is there any way to find out who is updating this page in wikipedia? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WSLS We have concerns about this as some of the information is of an internal nature. I have been asked to find out what I can about the author(s). Please let me know what you can. Thanks.

<---Email removed--->

jmangone Jmangone 18:21, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

If you click on the history tab at the top of the page, you can view the article's history and see which IP addresses and users have edited the page. –Dream out loud (talk) 18:33, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Of course, if someone is editing using a company computer, it's possible that the IP address is shared by all the computers in the building and you'd find out practically nothing that way. However, if information in the article is internal, and hence not verifiable by anyone outside the company via references to reliable sources, you could definitely remove that information from the article. Confusing Manifestation 22:32, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Addin Fair Use Rationale to Existing Image

I originally uploaded Image:MagellanChokeRingAndCover.jpg and Image:TrimbleChokeRingAntenna.jpg for use in Choke ring antenna. They were removed because I did not have a fair-use exemption claim. Now, they are about to be deleted entirely because they're orphaned.

I would like to:

1. Add a fair use claim to the pictures. I need help in knowing what mechanical steps (i.e. add template XYZ to the picture with these fields) to take.
2. Would like to ask how to phrase the claim.

The pictures have been used in catalog sections of the respective company websites and have been freely reproduced in articles of trade magazines. They are used to promote the products and I feel that using one in the article would be fair use. When I uploaded the picture, though, there was nothing about photos promoting nonmedia products, just movies, albums, etc.

Can someone help me here? I have a diagram from a patent, but I think the article would be greatly enhanced with a photo showing how the product is actually fielded.

Thanks

--KNHaw ^(talk) 18:25, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Your images have templates claiming they are logos, but they are not. The images you have uploaded are copyrighted and will be deleted as there is no acceptable fair use rationale. They are products for which free images could be obtained by anyone with a camera and access to the product. LaraLove^T/_C 21:06, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

OK. I'll put up speedy deletion notes on the images. --KNHaw ^(talk) 22:44, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

SVG image problems

I uploaded Image:Wheelchair.svg to Commons yesterday, which is transcluded in the {{access icon}} template. The template appeared fine at the time on the Mac on which I uploaded it, but later when I checked the template on two Windows-based systems, the image is invisible, however the link can still be clicked. When viewed at normal resolution, the image is visible – – but it disappears (on this computer) when specific sizes are attached to the image tag. It appears when it is set to display at 25px, but I tried other sizes up to 100px and it would not display. This image is used in a template which is in hundreds of articles, so it is important that this gets fixed. Thanks. –Dream out loud (talk) 18:32, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Did you make your image with Adobe Illustrator? If so, I do know that this is a common problem for .svg images made with this application. I don't know the exact details though. In some cases reuploading the images helps (I don't know why this helps though). I hope someone else can tell you more about this. Freestyle 20:08, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

I have a lot of problems of svg images, there are a lot of contributing factors but one of the main ones is web browsers, try viewing it on fire ox insted if Internet Explorer. --Lwarf ^Talk! 13:22, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

lower case account name

I just set up a new account and want my user name to match my email address using all lower case but after I entered it with all lower case letters, it save it with the first letter in upper case —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mary.breakstone (talk • contribs)

Can that be changed?

Unfortunately, due to technical restrictions, the first letter of all pages (including your userpage, and hence your username) must be capitalised. But there is a workaround, which I also use, as you can see: you can make your name lowercase on your signature (in talk pages etc.), which you get by putting four tildes (i.e. "'''~~~~'''". You should put your signature after any comments you make. To do this, go to your preferences (link in the top right hand corner of the screen), and in the 'signature' box, paste "[[User:Mary.breakstone|mary.breakstone]]" (without quotation marks); and tick the 'Raw signature' button. If you have any questions on this, please ask me on my talk page. -- simxp (talk) 19:16, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

You might also be able to get your user page to display your username in all lowercase; see: Wikipedia:Technical FAQ#Lower-case first letters in titles; however, I have not tried that so I don't know if it works. --Teratornis 19:23, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, it does. I think the correct template is {{lowercase-user}}. There's also a Category:Wikipedians with usernames with lowercase initial letters you can add to your page. --tjstrf talk 19:26, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Project Approval...

Dear Wikipedia Helpdesk:

I'm a new user of Wikipedia, and have just kicked off what will be a very taxing project, the Confederate States National "War of Northern Aggression" History Project, this project will no doubt consume countless months of my time and energy to complete.

My goal is to eliminate the Wiki conflict between Confederate and Unionist historians and citizens there of over the historical account of the American Civil War. You see the so called American Civil War, is a very controversial topic because its basically all relative and the version of history one follows depends on where you live and where your family comes from. For example, I'm a second generation Floridian and what I have learned of the conflict is way different then what people in lets say Vermont or New York have learned, and I can assure you that very little of Confederate War History is redundant that what the Federals claim occurred.

My ultimate goal is to create a Dixie-pedia, which when complete will be the Wikipedia / Free Encyclopedia for the Confederate people.

i have seen other groups create there own Pedia's, how should I start my own for the Confederacy?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Greyfox-csa (talk • contribs) 15:45, June 21, 2007

If you want to conduct your own MediaWiki installation, buy a server, and start a Confederapedia or whatever to present your version of the civil war account, more power to you. (If so, please see mediawiki.org) However, I don't believe that starting a WikiProject of this type on the English Wikipedia would work, because we historically do not allow WikiProjects which exist to support a particular point of view about a subject, and they are rather invariably deleted. --tjstrf talk 19:52, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Also, just a friendly reminder to sign your name after your comments by using 4 tildes "~" x 4 Thanks, Kevinwong913 ^{Speak out loud!} 20:27, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

If you want to start your own wiki, search the Help desk for: start your own wiki (this sort of question comes up routinely), and see Wiki Science/How to start a wiki. If you do decide to start your own wiki by installing MediaWiki on your own Web server, you will definitely put the "countless" into "countless months." Starting your own wiki is at least an order of magnitude harder than editing on someone else's already-viable wiki. See the MediaWiki Handbook for details. Unless you are happy to have a very plain wiki, you will need to figure out how to copy templates and other features from Wikipedia to your own wiki, to give it the nice appearance and organization you see on Wikipedia. But the biggest obstacle to making your own wiki work is the need to establish a community of users who know what they are doing, and who agree with the project's goals. The Wikipedia community is what really makes Wikipedia special. Imagine, for example, trying to answer all the new users' questions on your own wiki the way we are answering yours right now. We can answer questions because thousands of dedicated users before us have written almost all the answers down in extensive manuals which we can now easily search. This is the largely unseen infrastructure that makes Wikipedia function. Are you ready to take on the immense chore of building a similar infrastructure for your own wiki, and training your own community of users? --Teratornis 03:30, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Trail of tears error

I am a choctaw Indian from Oklahoma. Your description of the trail of tears is innacurate. The Cherokee were not the first to walk the trail of tears nor were they the first to use the term "trail of tears as the site implies. The Choctaw were the first tribe to be massivley relocated during removal, a choctaw chief said when asked about his journey "It has been a trail of tears and death" The cherokee were relocated after the Choctaw and are often associated with the trail because that is the tribe that non native people Identify themselves with. Choctaw, Seminol, cherokee, Chickasaw, and Muskogee Creek tribes NOT JUST THE CHEROKEE. Ant site that states that the trail of tears is specifically cherokees first, only or that cherokees Coined the term is inaccurate.

here are some sites: http://www.thebicyclingguitarist.net/studies/trailoftears.htm

http://www.nationaltota.org/

http://www.cts.bia.edu/trail_of_tears/index.htm

http://www.tc.umn.edu/~mboucher/mikebouchweb/choctaw/trtears.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.4.216.115 (talk) 16:40, June 21, 2007

I've copied this discussion to the article talk page. LaraLove^T/_C 20:55, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Feel free to participate in improving the Trail of Tears article directly by discussing changes on its Talk page. Jim Dunning | talk 21:09, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Universities

Hello, how do I impose the Universities template <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Universities> onto the existing page about Thayer School of Engineering at Dartmouth?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thayer_School_of_Engineering

ps How do I sign my name using 4 ~s? I don't know exactly what that means.....

See Wikipedia:WikiProject_Universities#Templates. Also, to sign your post, simply type out four tildes (~) in a row and it will result in your signature. LaraLove^T/_C 21:02, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Unable to edit

I placed a link tag around and term in an article listed below, but I did it incorrectly and want to correct it. I know how to correct it but now I don't see the 'edit' option at the top of the article. Can you help with this or let me know why there would not be a edit option. Thanks for any help. 3jorn 20:56, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

What article is it? LaraLove^T/_C 21:00, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

If the article is not protected then you can click the "edit this page" tab at the top to edit the whole article. Or click edit on an arbitrary section and replace the end of the URL with section=0 to only edit the lead. PrimeHunter 21:06, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict) :: Is it Object hyperlinking? If so, which link were you working with: Physical world hyperlinks or Buildhardlink.com or OracleJane? If something else, let us know. By the way, the [http://www.OracleJane.com/ OracleJane] link could be considered spam. Jim Dunning | talk 21:06, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

oops, here is the title page: hardlink. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardlink_%28homonymy%29 I agree, the oraclejane page is almost blank and does not show the reader anything about how to use that model and I will delete it. The link I wanted to fix was actually Kaywa reader on the hardlink page above. Is that spam to use that company's name in that way. If so I will just delete it rather than fix it. I have no connection with them at all, this is done for a class I have.

I fixed the link, although I think it may be considered spam. The entire sentence may be subsequently removed. LaraLove^T/_C 21:33, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Great. thanks for your help.

Can you make a new warning template?

Or do you have to be an admin? Cheers, JetLover (Talk) (Sandbox) 21:04, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

<whacking you upside the head with a goofy smile> No, silly rabbit, you don't have to be an admin. Didn't somebody ever tell you that adminship is no big deal? :)

Seriously, you can create any user warning template that you wish. You should leave a note on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject user warnings to coordinate with other users interested in such things. YechielMan 21:27, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Check out Template namespace, Template and Template messages for more information. If you cannot find the template you need, you can request it on Requested templates, or contact a user who has identified themselves as an adept template coder. Good luck! Jim Dunning | talk 21:34, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! Cheers, JetLover (Talk) (Sandbox) 22:25, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

how to make an artical

how do i create an article?LukeMarrone 21:33, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Look at Contributing to Wikipedia for help on this (there's a section on creating articles there, but review the whole page). Have fun! Jim Dunning | talk 21:36, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

{edit conflict)

Type what you want to be the name of the article into the search bar. If there is not already an article, there will be a create this page link. Click that and start writing!

See also WP:IA#Uncreated_articles and WP:MOS. LaraLove^T/_C 21:39, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

When to use bold font (besides article title)

When in an article should bold font be used (other than when referring to the article title)? Should it be used at all in an article for general emphasis? If so, are there any limitations on how much bold should be in an article? Is there any formatting guideline to fall back on with disputes on this matter? Patiwat 22:17, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

I think you are looking for this. ssepp^(talk) 22:47, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

After logging out I can't log back in - I'm a new user with a confirmation in my e-mail in box.

I created a user name and password, then got logged in automatically, then logged out to re log in and create an autofill record and the password and name don't work! This has happened before. Why do I consistantly have this problem when I register for new sites? I must be doing something wrong.

Hmm, are you aware that the user name and password are case sensitive? That is, whether a letter is uppercase or lowercase matters. ssepp^(talk) 22:44, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Citing a legal document

If you want to cite a court document as a source, how do you do that? Please answer on my talk page. Rhythmnation2004 23:02, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Replied on your talk. --Haemo 23:06, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

National Electric Code

Sorry ... someone has edited the above referenced page with some sexually suggestive material. You will want to change this as soon as possible.64.163.126.146 23:13, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

It's fixed now -- you can also repair vandalism by clicking "history" and selecting the first good version to revert to by clicking "edit" on it, then saving the page. --Haemo 23:16, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

pictures

how can i put pictures in my artical?—Preceding unsigned comment added by LukeMarrone (talk • contribs) 23:22, June 21, 2007

Assuming the picture is on the server already, you simply enter [[File:Bad Title Example.png]] and the image will be displayed on the page like the one at right.

If the image is not yet on the server, then you will need to upload it first, either from Wikipedia:Upload (best for new users) or Special:Upload (more advanced). --tjstrf talk 23:37, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

However, make sure that they are under a free license, or qualify as a fair use. --Haemo 23:39, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

You can insert any pictures uploaded to Wikipedia into an article. So you'll either have to identify pictures already uploaded to Wikipedia or upload them yourself. Review Uploading images to see how to do this (and pay special attention to "Determine image copyright status" on that page, since that's where a lot of Wikipedians run into difficulties). Once you have images you want, then you can insert them into the article while you're editing it. Look over Images to see how to do this. Jim Dunning | talk 23:44, 21 June 2007 (UTC)