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September 11

Quoting

What are the guidelines for quoting a book within a Wikipedia article and what is the correct Wiki formatting to use when doing so?

Icosahedron 00:01, 11 September 2007 (UTC)Icosahedron

Guidelines can be found at citing sources. There are different formats set forth there from which you might choose. :) Linked from within that page is a list of citation templates that might be helpful, and there is a page of examples. Hope that helps. --Moonriddengirl 00:46, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

TO Icosahedron: You should quote as little from the book as possible, only what is needed to illustrate your point. Most of the information in an article should be in your own words. To add the reference, use the {{cite book}} template enclosed in <ref></ref> tags. See WP:CITE and WP:FOOT for more details. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 00:47, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you both to Moonriddengirl and Hersfold - very useful Icosahedron 00:52, 11 September 2007 (UTC)Icosahedron

Sending pictures

can i send picture thru this page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ngmary (talk • contribs) 00:05, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

TO Ngmary: I'm not quite sure what you mean. Can you rephrase your question in a new section? Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 00:47, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Garlows deletion

My article about the Garlows was deleted for copyright infringement. I also had a external link. I removed the link but the page is still deleted. I am the originator of the story, the pictures and the website of which the referance is made. How do I get my story about the Garlows replaced. Too much work to try to do over from scratch If its gone for good, I won't try to rebuild it. The garlow story is about americana that has been largely overlooked. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kemetianmotif (talk • contribs) 00:28, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials#Granting us permission to copy material already on line. If you give the required permission to use your website, you can request undeletion of Garlows. For example at User talk:ST47, the administrator who deleted it. I haven't seen the article and don't know whether the content is otherwise appropriate for Wikipedia, for example with repsect to Wikipedia:Notability and Wikipedia:Verifiability. PrimeHunter 00:52, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Attempted Retention Process/Policy

Greetings, I have not looked into this before, so here goes. Currently our deletion policy makes it far to easy to nominate an article for deletion[1] when all it actually needs is some love. All articles should first go through an "attempted retention" process. Here is my idea but I don't know how to start a new piece of policy.

All articles that do not qualify for speedy delete would need to go through the following process before they are allowed to go for a AfD.

Fix it - Can you fix it? Does it needs sources? Have you tagged it as such?

Yes? Then Fix it!

No? Merge - Can this article be merged with its parent topic? Can a group of articles be merged into one?

Yes? Commence the merge process!

No? - TransWiki Can we move this to another wiki with a compatable licence?

Yes? Move it then!

No? Delete - Commence the Deletion process.

Comments? Suggestions? Help? - Fosnez 00:43, 11 September 2007 (UTC) Italic text

There are at least two initiatives to try and improve articles rather than delete them. Wikipedia:Article Rescue Squadron and Wikipedia:Intensive Care Unit. You might like to join them, and discuss with them about changing policy as you'll find other like minded people there. — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!)} 02:14, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

New policies can be suggested at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy). PrimeHunter 02:11, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Thankyou. I am a member of Wikipedia:Article Rescue Squadron and have placed this item at the village pump Fosnez 02:32, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

I wrote some random gibberings at: User:Teratornis/Outplacement about possibly organizing an effort to "outplace" some of our deleted articles with other wikis that would want them. I use "outplacement" because "transwiki" seems to refer to moving articles to other Wikimedia Foundation wikis, and that barely scratches the surface of available wikis. From what I gather, outplacement seems to be an underused option, judging from the many people who find their way to the Help desk to ask Why was my article deleted? In many cases the victims aren't aware of other wikis suitable for their articles, and the people who deleted their articles did not inform them of this possibility. It seems there is a gap in the information flow between deletionists and those they "serve." I would like to help invent a way to close this gap. --Teratornis 02:43, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

OK, let me ask you this. Just perusing the list of today's AfD nominations (not counting the redlinks of articles which were speedy deleted already), tell me how your proposal would apply to:

• Boony doll
• Film on Thursday
• Neighborhood Planning Unit W
• Suburban Reptiles Corvus cornix 16:53, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

I can't speak for Fosnez, but the Film on Thursday article, for example, is a possible candidate for outplacement to a hospitable wiki. Someone should tell the creator of the article to try another wiki if Wikipedia deletes the article. But what seems to happen normally is that nobody tells the article's creator about that option. --Teratornis 17:40, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Gailer School article

Dear Wikipedia folks,--Chauc 00:44, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

I happened upon an article today that is about a school that I founded and have kept an eye on over the last six years during which I have been working as a professor of education (and no longer associated with the school). There seems to be a troubled person with an axe to grind attempting to bring down the school's reputation via the Wikipedia. Some specifics:

"Harry Chaucer, a disaffected former high school teacher". I am Harry Chaucer. I was not disaffected. This is someone else's value judgment and does not belong in an encyclopedic article.

"an emphasis that contrasts with the more multi-cultural approaches found in most progressive schools". My son remained at Gailer until this fall. His study was multi-cultural included trips to the Dominican Republic, the entire school learning Spanish for six years, books from other cultures etc.

"all of which may have constituted "progressive" pedagogy at one time but are now mainstream even in public schools. The school has notably not achieved accreditation by any national, state, or regional agency." Two problems here. I work in public schools each week. Sadly, few of these progressive ideas mainstream today. Regarding accreditation, this is the most egregious error. Gailer was fully approved by the State of Vermont in 1989 and remains approved today (see Department of Education website listing of approved Vermont Independent Schools). See http://education.vermont.gov/new/pdfdoc/pgm_independent/directory_020807.pdf for the DOE listing.

"however in the wake of continuing financial troubles and mismanagement, it relocated to rented quarters at the Unitarian Universalist Church in Middlebury, Vermont, a move which brought about a significant loss of both faculty members and students and also engendered much opposition from parents. The school has faced many problems, including bullying amongst the student body, charges of discrimination against minorities, board interference with the day-to-day running of the school, and financial mismanagement. Late in 2006 the head of school suddenly resigned and left in the middle of the school year. Gailer's loss of talented teachers and students has been rapid, and the school's enrollment is now roughly half what it was only two years ago." This paragraph is full of personal judgments that do not belong in a fair-minded and objective reference.

This person seems to have a personal grudge. Gailer is no longer my school - I chose to work in a college setting many years ago. However, my sense of fair play demands that I write to you and ask you to somehow block this person's efforts.

Thanks very much.

Harry Chaucer Professor of Education Director, the Woodruff Institute for School Leaders Director, ACT II post-baccalaureate Program Castleton State College

I have restored an earlier version of the article, from before Leonardodv started editing, and I have asked him to cite sources for any information he adds. If he continues to add unsourced information, he may be blocked.--Werdan7^{T @} 01:02, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

New user wants to add pages edited anonymously to "my contributions"

I edited an article several times before signing up as a user. How can I add those anonymously edited pages to "my contributions"

Scotwriter 04:30, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

You can't. They belong to the IP address that made them. -- kainaw™ 04:31, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

But you can link to the IP address on your userpage and say that all edits before X date were yours. —Dark•Shikari^[T] 05:13, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Relating to my contribution list. There is a M inserted to it. What's that means? Thanks for your help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anacrossan (talk • contribs) 04:50, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

The bold m means a minor edit. --Hirohisat ^Kiwi 04:57, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

tagging

I wrote an article for The Mary Baker Eddy Library, and I don't know how to tag it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Simplywater (talk • contribs) 05:27, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Tag, meaning to make a tag like

{{cleanup}} (not likely), {{expand}}, or on talk pages like {{WikiProject Japan}} --Hirohisat ^Kiwi 05:29, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

You can find the templates at [[Category:Template categories]]. The second kind, you can find at the project page of the projects, which care for the subject. For example, if you have an article about a Catholic church in Japan, you look at Wikipedia:WikiProject JapanWikipedia:WikiProject Architecture and Wikipedia:WikiProject Catholicism.--Thw1309 09:32, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Can I use Wikipedia Commons images that are in the public domain in a commercial item to sell?

I've looked everywhere and can't find exactly what I am looking for.

If I know that an image in Wikipedia Commons is in the US public domain for certain, and it is also marked as such, may I copy that image and use it in an item to sell? For example a T-shirt? Or a CD? Thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.105.241.132 (talk) 05:53, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes. --tjstrf talk 05:58, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

You may want to verify whether that image is indeed "in the US public domain for certain" ... and make absolutely sure before you begin your entrepreneurial endeavors. Many users mistakenly assume an image is "public domain" when it is in fact distributed under a creative commons attribution sharealike license. That is not the same thing as "public domain".

If you are absolutely certain about the "public domain" status, and you go ahead with your business venture, you might also want to consider adopting a business plan that makes appropriate recognition of the source of your business assets, and allocate a percentage of your revenue accordingly. dr.ef.tymac 07:22, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you all very much. Great info and great ideas. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.105.241.132 (talk) 15:03, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Didn't anyone remember that we aren't supposed to offer legal advice? It depends on the picture and the use. All we can say is that free images can be reused. The specific reuse and specific caveats for a pictures (eg. personality rights or moral rights) may need an intellectual property lawyer to answer the question. Carcharoth 16:37, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

If you're selling things there are all kinds of issues to think about that Wikipedia doesn't get involved in. If the image involves a person there are rights of privacy and publicity. If there is copyrighted content anywhere in the image (not just the image itself) there could be a lurking copyright issue that's more important for a commercial use. If the image involves a recognizable word, thing, product, etc., you have to consider trademark issues -- using a picture of an apple (the fruit or the computer) in order to sell computers could be a problem. There are laws relating to advertising practices, can't show a picture of a nice steak to sell fake meat. Those are a few obvious ones. Being on the commons doesn't mean it's possible to use for any purpose without considering legal implications, just that whoever put it on the commons thinks it has no copyright. Wikidemo 22:31, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Heidi Montag

her webpage has some really nasty language in it, but the code is hidden so people can't remove it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.91.57.205 (talk) 09:47, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

• Hi, and thank you for reporting that vandalism. I have removed the last 2 edits that were indeed very nasty. I'm a little confused about where "the code is hidden"? There seems to be nothing nasty buried in the mark-up. Can you clarify that so I can help further? Pedro |  Chat  10:17, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

HELP

What is the defination of susceptible host —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.37.25.59 (talk) 13:27, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

This page is for questions related to using Wikipedia. You may have more luck asking at one of the reference desks. Leebo ^T/C 14:34, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

And be sure to specify what the susceptible host is susceptible to, because your question as you worded it is ambiguous. For example, you might be talking about biological parasites, diseases, or computer viruses. See: Host (biology), Host (network), Host (psychology), and the Host disambiguation page. --Teratornis 17:35, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Sandbox

1. How do I create and use the sandbox?

2. How can I create a named subpage for my user page (e.g., userpage/subtopic). Someone created one for me a while back but I can't find it and can't make another.

Timothy Perper 14:19, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Timothy. Please don't use the {{helpme}} tag on this page, it's for requesting help at your talk page. You can create a sandbox or other user page by creating a link like User:Timothy Perper/Sandbox. Leebo ^T/C 14:27, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

• Hi Timothy, and thanks for your questions. To create a personal sand box go to your User page (or talk page). Edit it and type (for the User Page) [[User:Timothy Perper/Sandbox]]. Save the page and you will see it's redlinked. By then clicking the red link you can edit it as you wish. When you save it the link will turn blue from your user page. Is that okay, or would you like me to do if for you for the first time?Pedro |  Chat  14:27, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Further is User:Timothy Perper/Baku (spirit) the previous sub page you were after ? Pedro |  Chat  14:31, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

You have a user subpage at User:Timothy Perper/Baku (spirit). "the sandbox" usually refers to the common sandbox at Wikipedia:Sandbox. You can either use this (which will quickly be overwritten) or create your own sandbox. PrimeHunter 14:31, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

How to add a company to a category?

Hi,

I would like to add a company to the category /Transportation/Car Rental

How to do so?

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Emaurer (talk • contribs) 14:25, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

• Hi Emaurer. Does the company already have an article? The article needs to exist before it can be added to the category. If so, could you advise which company it is? Thanks! Pedro |  Chat  14:29, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

• (edit conflict)Hi, Emaurer. Category pages are not static pages that you can edit directly. They are created automatically by the database by collecting the list of all articles containing the category tag. For instance, if a company contains the tag Category:Transportation, it will appear in that category. You can add an article to that category by placing the category near the bottom of the article. Leebo ^T/C 14:30, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

• Wikipedia is not a web directory. If you want to add the URL for a company without an article then find another site, for example http://www.dmoz.org/Regional/Europe/Portugal/Transportation/Car_Rentals/ PrimeHunter 14:42, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

• Thanks Pedro. How to add an article? Or how to add an article to the category?

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Emaurer (talk • contribs) 15:28, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi Emaurer. See Wikipedia:Your first article for help on starting an article. As above, to categorise the article add the category at the bottom of the page - see this page for a bit more and some useful links. Also - please remember that you should sign your name on talk pages if you can. Just type four tildes ( ~~~~) at the end of your question or comment. Pedro |  Chat  15:35, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

font type

my font has been chane to some wierd fancy type font while everything still appears normal only the text in wiki is weird looking and hard to read any fix for this172.163.177.17 14:50, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

If you have an account and the problem is only there when you are logged in then try going to Special:Preferences and change skin. PrimeHunter 15:08, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

If the problem appears when logged out, see if bypassing your cache sorts it. --ais523 16:30, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Listing the names of September 11 attacks victims

Can someone list all the names of September 11 victims so we can see who was killed that day. That day will never be forgotten. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.90.27.179 (talk) 15:54, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a memorial site, but we link to memorial sites at 9/11#Memorials_2. PrimeHunter 16:10, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Creating content/conflict of interest

To whom it may concern. I uploaded a page explaining who I am as an artist with a short biography. In it I directed interested parties to visit my website to hear music. I've been to many pages on musicians & they all have way more informationi & full hot links to their specific websites. Why has my page been deleted when literally hundreds if not thousands of like pages already exist? Austin Donohue callofisis@hotmail.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by AustinDonohue (talk • contribs) 15:56, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Austin. Sorry to hear you are frustrated by the deletion of your page. The difference you may not be recognizing with your page is that you created it for the purpose of promoting yourself. This violates our neutral point of view policy. If you are notable, someone else may create an article about you. Other musicians did not create their own articles, or they'd be violating the same policies.Leebo ^T/C 15:59, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Inserting an Image

I'd like to suggest adding an image to the definition of photogrammetric parallax. The image I have in mind can be found on Google Earth. If you enter "Hilton Hotel, Las Vegas, NV" in the search cell, then zoom in on the hotel you will be close to the image I have in mind. If you move to the west, across the street from the Hilton you will see the Turnberry Towers under construction. What's unique and exemplary about this image is the appearance of four towers, all appearing to lean in different directions, yet if you look at their shadows you can clearly see that the buildings are parallel and vertical on the z plane, though at angles to one another on the xy plane.

I don't know if Google would allow you to use their imagery for this example, but I think it would be a real eye-catcher for this definition.

Thanks for considering my suggestion.

Cheers, 67.77.148.135 16:05, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for that suggestion; it is quite insightful and would probably be a great encyclopedic addition. I have a suggestion, since I also don't know if a Google Earth version is feasible. Perhaps you or someone else could draw a version of it with simplified buildings, either on paper or with a computer program. That should solve the copyright problem. Leebo ^T/C 16:13, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

What is going on here

A long time ago, I created an account, and for a while, I haven't used it. But now when I put in my username and password, it gives me an error message. Have I been kicked out, or has my account been deleted? And if so, why? I just wish to get things cleared up. Also, I ended up creating a new acount with the same name, but then it gets me the same error message when I try to log back in. But now that I think about it, the e-mail address for my account has changed.

Signed formerly known as Neo Guyver September 11, 2007 at 11:43 AM —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.31.50.68 (talk) 16:43, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

If you were User:Neo Guyver, you asked a question about getting a new email address. Did you ever do that? Did you ever change your password? Can you have a password sent to your current email? Leebo ^T/C 16:50, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

How to add to an existing biography

There is now avery short paragraph on a prominent person. Editing does not seem practical since what I have in mind will take many pages (life history, accomplishment, etc). I assume my offer is not considered a NEW article since the name is alrady in your data base. How do I approch this? Hummelswi 17:13, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome to edit the article. If what you're planning is a very large edit, you may want to draft up your revisions on a user subpage first, then copy the text into the article. Just make sure that any information you add is in accordance with all of our policies. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 18:37, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Adding footnotes to Wolf's Head Society article

I've attempted to add footnotes to the article with the additions editing completely the remainder of the article. I've added two footnotes to the section preceding History, but when attempting other footnotes, that section of the article displays a "preview" minus the original text. What keystrokes are necessary to add easily the footnotes.64.61.144.67 17:34, 11 September 2007 (UTC)Sly111

I think you're looking for this help page. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 18:40, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Citing a DVD commentary

Are there any Wikipedia guidelines for citing a DVD commentary? A Streetcar Named Marge uses the {{cite video}} template, but the results don't look right. We have to put too much information into the "title" field. Zagalejo^ 19:59, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps one of these can help you. --Thw1309 20:21, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, but I don't think any of those are really designed for audio commentaries. Does the MLA have any guidelines for situations like this? Zagalejo^ 21:50, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Adding a name to the "Fantasy Artists" catagory.

I can't figure out how to edit the catagories to add a name to the list of fantasy artists located there. When I clicked the edit button, there wasn't anything to edit. How do I add an artist name there?

Thank you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Frivilousity (talk • contribs) 20:05, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Frivilousity. Category pages aren't static pages that can be edited manually. That page is compiled by the database from all articles that contain the text [[Category:Fantasy artists]]. To add a name to the list, the category must be added to an existing article. If no article exists, the name can't be added. Leebo ^T/C 20:08, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

You have to add the category to the article. This means, you look for an article about the artist, you want to be included of if this article does not exist, you have to write it. At the end of the article, you write [[Category:Fantasy artists]]. This shows, that the article is part of this category. The category will appear at the end of the article and the article´s name in the list of this category. --Thw1309 20:15, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Also see: Help:Category. --Teratornis 20:42, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Point of interest

Hi, we have serious problem. Somebody keeps deleting our link, almost every day! Please can you block them or can you give us some advice, what can we do?

It is happening here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_of_interest#External_links Our link is: GPS-Support, Thousands Points of Interest (POI) and Speed Camera Alerts/Speed Traps records FOR FREE. STOP DELETE THIS LINK!!!

Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.160.47.153 (talk) 20:43, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Such links are not acceptable on Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a collection of links, nor a venue for advertisements. When such links are inserted, vigilant editors remove them, and will continue to do so. That is not a problem, it is a feature of the project. --Orange Mike 20:49, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

help on everything

I wanted to add a person to the Oakland Chinatown notable persons category and wrote up what I thought was an article. It was tagged for deletion. Why? I don't know. This author and writer is a noted journalist and writer who is already noted several times in the Oakland, Chinatown pages and so I added him to the notable persons list. What's the problem with that. Go to his other sites yellowjournalist.com or oaklandchinatownhistory.org or CCH pages where he is mentioned as a grant recipient.

Also, I wasn't able to figure out how to make my entry look like the other ones. This was not an easy process. I was trying to add to the vital information of the area, but there was no real help along the way, and now I'm both frustrated and upset. Joyce Mende Wong 20:45, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

First of all, you'll have to check if the person satisfies the conditions listed in WP:BIO. If it satisfies it, start writing an article. If you don't know how to start, take a look here. Note that as a rule of thumb you don't have to re-create most of the good looking stuff ;), for istance, I think you were referring to the "infobox" many people have. To create it, we have what we call "templates". Learning how to use those is easy, just pick the code from the article of a person who already has that and fill properly the right fields (a template name is included in parenthesis like this -> {{ <template name> }}). Don't forget that biographies of living people have to be strongly supported by references, or are likely to be deleted. --Outspan [talk · contribs] 21:28, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

But the most intelligent way to learn how to use templates is, after you've identified the name of one, go to en.wikipedia.org/Template:<temp name>, edit the page. This way you see all the parameters you can put in there. Occasionally (why just occasionally and not always??) templates are documented directly in that page so you don't have to look at the code. -- Outspan [talk · contribs] 21:32, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Why just occasionally (do some templates have documentation)? Because Wikipedians are diverse. Some editors who create templates think documenting them is important, and some do not. However, anybody can document a template that isn't currently documented, so we would expect that over time, if the number of new templates does not increase to fast, eventually the people who like to document things will get around to most of the undocumented templates. (You could be one of them, of course.) --Teratornis 01:13, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I was actually thinking about it. It's not hard at all, you just have to look at the code and kind of list in the template page all possible parameters in a nice way, possibly providing a preview. Yet I have to figure out whether I can do it the way I want to and whether the results will be satisfying and make templates significantly more usable; if so I'll spend some time doing that ;) -- Outspan [talk · contribs] 11:07, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Note to Joyce Mende Wong: Wikipedia can be an upsetting place at first. It looks so easy to create new articles, but then you run into all these perplexing policies and guidelines you didn't know about. That's why it's usually better to spend a few months editing the existing articles that need work, before trying to create your own new articles. But of course Wikipedia makes it easy to create new articles, without making sure you know about all the pitfalls first. Anyway, you mentioned: "I wasn't able to figure out how to make my entry look like the other ones." Can you give us the titles of some of those "other ones"? Then we can advise you on how to make your article look like them. If those "other ones" are part of a WikiProject, that WikiProject might have a style guide you can follow. Also see: WP:LAYOUT and WP:INFOBOX. --Teratornis 01:13, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Have you gone through the tutorial? That's a good place to start.--Orange Mike 21:20, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

talk pages

Hi, I was trying to start a new article so I added a few lines but I was immediately warned and my content was deleted. However, someone asked to verify that I really did want to start an article to which I checked yes. How do I talk to that person, or any of you people for that matter? Vancinator17 20:55, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

If you go to a user's user page and click the "Discussion" tab, it will take you to their talk page. Is that what you wanted to know or were you looking for a specific person? Leebo ^T/C 20:59, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

The article Berens River School needs some expansion and reasons why it is notable. User:FisherQueen has replied on the talkpage and has changed the tag. Try and provide some reliable sources. Ask here again or on my talk page if you have problems adding information. Woodym555 22:03, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

request for poker editor

Hello,

I work with site that has a lot of poker content and I think some of the content on the site could be a valuable contribution to poker articles that appear on Wikipedia. As I am new to the process, I would like to contact the editor who manages the poker content to make sure our contribution is within the Wikipedia guidelines.

Thank you Kossflavour Kossflavour 21:57, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

I would leave a note on the talk page of Wikipedia:WikiProject Poker. This is a collection of editors who have shown in interest in editing poker related articles. Hope this helps. Woodym555 22:05, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi, Kossflavour, and welcome to Wikipedia. I invite you to read the introduction to Wikipedia to gain a greater understanding of how the collaborative editing community works. There isn't a single individual in charge of a topic, but rather many editors working together on small parts of the articles. That said, WikiProject Poker might be a good place to start. Leebo ^T/C 22:08, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Adding a content box template

We are new to wikipedia, have read some of the issues about template, fustrating.

Is there some place we can find about inserting content box to a page.

Thank you Grandlarousse 22:24, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

To include a template to a page, type the name of the template in curly braces, {{like this}}. Most infoboxes, which I think is what you're referring to as a "content box", have additional instructions on how to use them on their pages, such as Template:Infobox Person. For more information, see Help:Template. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 22:29, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Looking at Seychelles community in EU, which needs a great deal of formatting, I think you're referring to tables when you say "content box". Does the info on tables help you? Leebo ^T/C 22:32, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Halo you both, Thank you for the advice. Leebo we did not mean table, still thank you we meant infobox content(hide) or content(hide) infobox. we are using british english. Can any of you guide us to ready made wikipedia template. Thank you !! (The wife is getting angry 5 hrs wasted already) 90.240.21.48 10:39, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

This is what we have been trying as basic example.

Contents:	hide	1 History 2 Seychelles 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10

Even though you say you mean Infobox, it doesn't seem like that's what you mean. That thing you posted above is a table. Wait a minute... do you mean you want to create a custom Table of Contents? I'm not sure why you'd need to link to other pages in your table of contents though. Leebo ^T/C 13:23, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

The table of contents (TOC) automatically appears if a page has more than three section headings. No template or other code is required. You can force a TOC to appear with fewer headings by placing __TOC__ (two underscores on each side). See more at Help:Section. PrimeHunter 13:56, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Seychelles community in EU has no TOC because there are no section headings in Wikipedia format. Just replace

----

European Origins

with

== European Origins ==

and so on (use more = for subsections). The TOC will appear automatically. PrimeHunter 14:03, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you it is working.

Grandlarousse 15:35, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Code

Is there somewhere I can get help with code? Im having some trouble with <div> divesions.
Ferdia O'Brien The Archiver, Reformatter And Vandal Watchman (Talk) 22:37, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

What about them is causing you trouble? Arky ^¡Hablar! 23:14, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Click Here. The problem is the third box in the first row, where its "leaking" out over the division, and I cant for the life of my figure out why.
Ferdia O'Brien The Archiver, Reformatter And Vandal Watchman (Talk) 02:06, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Any thoughts?
Ferdia O'Brien The Archiver, Reformatter And Vandal Watchman (Talk) 01:43, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Still blocked to upload a new article

This is what I get when trying to resolve this frustrating block:

"This IP address is that of an AOL web proxy which now sends X-Forwarded-For headers to the Wikimedia Foundation. No further edits should originate from this IP address. For more information, please see Wikipedia:AOL.

If you are an AOL user editing from this IP address, please email an administrator to have the problem corrected. Note that this IP address has been indefinitely blocked, so you will not be able to edit from this address."

A second message, from Orange Mike advises me that the UK Liberal Democrat Freinds of Palesine may not meet notability rules in other words it is not ;famous' enough.

Please be assured that as an offical Affiliated Organsiation of the UK Liberal Democrat Party (which is in Wikipedia) it is at the forefront of UK Middle East policy making.

And when i try to e-mail someone who has left me a message I try to e-mail them but am told i can;t because I'm not logged in - even though i am! I am going round in circles and can't find a resolution will someone please help.

Thank you

'patriote' —Preceding unsigned comment added by Patriote (talk • contribs) 22:47, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

You say "in other words it is not ;famous' enough". That's not accurate. Please review the notability criteria. You have to assert that a subject has been the focus of reliable sources. It says nothing about fame. Sorry I can't help with your other issues. Leebo ^T/C 23:09, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

== Editing Problem - Lalla Ward ==

Folks, weird one. I am trying to edit the Lalla Ward article, but none of my edits are saved. There are no edit conflicts or anything like that. I only see this problem with this one article -- I can edit others with no problem. Any ideas? Thanks! --ukexpat 16:41, 12 September 2007 (UTC) Moved to 9/12 - --ukexpat 17:01, 12 September 2007 (UTC)