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November 18

Re-directing

Hi, I created my first article today (about a local school - St Aubyn's School) and now if I search the name I get immediately re-directed to Woodford Green aka its location. Is there anyway I can undo this? I've tried looking in the editing options on the Woodford Green page but it doesn't seem to be there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rachel1989 (talk • contribs) 19:26, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Hello Rachel. When you click on St. Aubyn's School, it takes you to Woodford Green, with a little note "redirected from St. Aubyn's School". You have to click on the link in that note. It will take you to a St. Aubyn's page with a crooked arrow. The next thing you do is "edit this page" and erase the whole line about REDIRECT.

Unfortunately, that answer has resulted in Rachel being accuded of vandalism. The redirect was placed in accordance with a (disputed but still generally upheld in deletion debates) guideline that primary/junior/elementary/whatever schools are seldom notable and should be covered in the article on the location where they are located. If you have multiple, non-trivial, independent references demonstrating that a school has some unusual degree of notability, then I suggest you replace the redirect with a fully referenced article. Simply blanking the page is not a good idea. For New Zealand schools we add more information (school type, years covered, coeducationalness, year founded, roll and decile rating) to the article on its locality (all referenced from the Government's database of schools). dramatic (talk) 21:43, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

That's the first part of the answer. I don't know where your new article is, so you have to put that text in yourself on the St. Aubyn's page. Don't forget to edit the Woodford Green page to add a link to your new article. Congratulations on your first article! (mutters to self about not finishing my own first article) LovesMacs (talk) 19:37, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Note that the article is at St Aubyn's School not St. Aubyn's School. What's the naming convention for saint abbreviations - should it be moved to St. Aubyn's School? The reason for the now reverted redirect is clear from this edit – ukexpat (talk) 21:28, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Table

I was reading the article Cyber Sunday (2008) and saw that the results to the PPV were placed in a table. How do I create a table like the one that is on the Cyber Sunday (2008) article? Gibsonj338 (talk) 00:02, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

See Help:Table. Algebraist 00:02, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Center text

How do I center text in an article? Gibsonj338 (talk) 00:19, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

This works. Most of the time text shouldn't be centred, though. If it should, there might be a more appropriate way of doing it (such as <blockquote>...</blockquote> for lengthy quotations). Algebraist 00:21, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

You shouldn't normally center text in articles, however if you need to do it in a template, table, or sandbox you can use:

<center>You can use center tags like this. or </center>

Center using a div : <div style="text-align:center;"> Your text goes here. </div>

“ In most cases there's probably a template for whatever your trying to do ”

-- GateKeeper^(X) @ 04:02, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

search offering "view logs"

Unsuccessful search result page used to offer the chance to see if the page had been deleted. Has this gone now? 86.44.24.228 (talk) 01:29, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

• If you type a valid title into the search box, there should be a message on the page, I tried this with an article that was deleted: the message was "You searched for bibliism (all pages starting with "bibliism" | all pages that link to "bibliism")". Click on the red link and it shows the deletion log (but only for the title you type, with the same capitalisation, punctuation etc.) —Snigbrook 01:43, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Ah, thank you Snigbrook! 86.44.28.24 (talk) 02:46, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia Usernames

(I asked this at the Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing, where it was suggested to bring the question here.)

Is there a good reason why Wikipedia usernames are case-sensitive, or was that one of those decisions that "seemed like a good idea at the time it was made"?

Thanks, CBHA (talk) 02:01, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I think its technical limitations, see lower case first letter, also m:Help:Page_name#Case-sensitivity -- GateKeeper^(X) @ 03:47, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Actually Scratch that (seems that's mainly for the article namespace), I'll post back if I find out -- GateKeeper^(X) @ 03:52, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Usernames have corresponding userpages which have titles that follow the same case sensitivity rules as all the other pages, so it would be whoppingly inconsistent with the rest of Wikipedia if usernames were not case sensitive. A system adheres better to the Principle of least surprise if the various parts of it are as consistent as possible. --Teratornis (talk) 04:23, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Username policy#Choosing a username merely declares that usernames are case-sensitive, without giving a reason. If I had to guess, I would assume the MediaWiki developers have a background in the Open Source movement, which would make most if not all of them GNU/Linux users, and thus they would naturally think in terms of the case-sensitivity of all unix-like systems. In contrast, people with a Microsoft Windows background might tend to think of case-sensitivity as being more like a bug than a feature. Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2007-03-20/Technology report mentions the case-sensitivity of usernames, but does not give a reason either. --Teratornis (talk) 04:36, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I would consider asking at Wikipedia:Village Pump (technical), where some developers hang out that could answer your question better than us. Calvin 1998 ^(t·c) 04:50, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

• Both were originally case sensitive, articles were made non-sensitive, to deal with titles such as iPod and e-Commerce (It only required changes to a small number of articles). Doing so for all usernames could cause massive trouble (especially with SUL enabled). -Mgm|^(talk) 05:36, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Actually both of those still begin with upper case letters, but the use of the {{lowercase}} template displays the first letter as lower case. See also: Wikipedia:Naming conventions (technical restrictions)#Lower case first letter and m:Help:Page name#Case-sensitivity. – ukexpat (talk) 15:00, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

GIF problems

I asked this some days ago at the Village Pump technical, but didn't get much reply...In the last few weeks, I've had trouble with .gif files displaying badly: for example, the detailed community map in Fairview Lanes, Ohio (map lowest in the infobox), or the state map at the top of List of counties in New Mexico. Even when I click on the New Mexico map, I get a bad-quality image: the only way to get it to display properly is to click on the image to get the full-size version and click to display at full resolution. Any idea why .gifs are affected, even though .svg and .png and .jpg files aren't at all? Nyttend (talk) 03:19, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

GIFs don't scale well in the first place. Neither do PNGs or JPGs, the only pictures that really scale somehwat properly are SVGs because they are vector graphics (see the article for more info). Calvin 1998 ^(t·c) 03:51, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I know; but the problem is that these images always displayed well until a few weeks ago. For example, you could read many different words on the detailed map of Hempstead (village), New York, while now you can't even read the large-type "New York" in the middle of the map. Nyttend (talk) 14:16, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, I do know that the system admins did switch to a new image renderer/whatever recently. Your question over at the Village Pump is likely to get more reply than this (the people over there tend to know more about this kind of thing). Calvin 1998 ^(t·c) 14:55, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

This Bugzilla report may be related.[1] --—— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 15:01, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

books

I would like to find information about books which I have read or want to read —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.112.82.220 (talk) 10:31, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

You're at the wrong place, I suggest you go here >>> Portal:Books or if you have a very specific question try asking at WP:RD. However, The best way would probably be to simply look up the books using the Search Tool on the left. -- GateKeeper^(X) @ 10:36, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Collapsing watchlist and popular articles

Hello all. Has Wikipedia made a change to the way the watchlist works? I've looked on its help page, but can see nothing. The entries used to collapse down into one line per article watched, with an arrow to the left to uncollapse them. Now they all appear in a long list with a small indent, making it very much more difficult to locate the articles you're most interested in. Have I inadvertently changed a setting? How can I return my watchlist to the easy-to-scan version?

Also, I posted a question about how to generate a list of most-browsed articles in the Theatre wikiproject. Someone pointed me to a page with a list of tools on it, but I couldn't see anything there that would do this, so I'd like to ask about that again, too. How can I generate such a list?

Many thanks in advance, DionysosProteus (talk) 12:16, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

In Special:Preferences under "Watchlist", did you perhaps check the box that reads "Expand watchlist to show all applicable changes"? It's not collapsible though. Zain Ebrahim (talk) 12:55, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

If both "Expand watchlist to show all applicable changes" under "Watchlist" and "Enhanced recent changes (requires JavaScript)" under "Recent changes" are selected then you get something collapsible. See Help:Enhanced recent changes. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:46, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I didn't alter my preferences, but have examined them now, and have tried both checking and unchecking "Expand watchlist", but it hasn't returned to normal. I have both the Expand Watchlist and Enhanced Recent changes checked now, but the watchlist is still not collapsible. Surely, something has been altered globally in Wikipedia, as the articles were always collapsible in the watchlist ever since I stated using the site regularly more than a year ago? It always used to show only the article title, with a little black arrow to its left, which when you clicked, would unpack the article and reveal who, exactly, had made the recent changes. My watchlist is suddenly very difficult to make sense of. Any ideas? DionysosProteus (talk) 17:56, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Creating Infobox for a new article

Hi, I am working on a new article for Wikipedia. But I have troubles finding how to create and insert the infobox in my article. I have found all the necessary instructions on the way an infobox should look like, but I failed to find a place where it should be created and how it should be inserted in the articles. Please also provide me with the instructions on how to upload the logo (I am writing an article about a company) in the infobox. Thanks alot, Dashakob (talk) 12:38, 18 November 2008 (UTC)DashakobDashakob (talk) 12:38, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Can you tell us what the article is? Most probably the infobox would already be created, you just have to find it and use it. We can help you with it if we know what article you are thinking of creating. Chamal ^talk 12:50, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

You can use Special:Upload to upload images but take note of the copyright information on that page. — Manticore 12:56, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

You're probably looking for Template:Infobox Company for the infobox. — Manticore 12:59, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

citations

How do i cite information i've taken from wikipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cortezbabe (talk • contribs) 14:14, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Have a look at Wikipedia:Citing Wikipedia. It's all explained there. Best, Zain Ebrahim (talk) 14:18, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

• Use the "Cite this page"-link in the toolbox on the left of each article. - Mgm|^(talk) 17:39, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Creating an Article

Hi,

Appologies if this is covered in your help guide, which no doubt it is - but I can't find any information and have been going round in circles for 10 minutes.

I want to write an article - not edit and article, or read about my article possibily becoming a 'featured article' - I just want to write an article.

Please can you tell me where I go to begin - presumably there is a place I can write my article, and save and edit it before making it go live on Wikipedia?

Kind regards,

Tom —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thatch 101 (talk • contribs) 14:49, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

You can work on your article in your userspace. To get to a subpage of your userpage click on this: User:Thatch 101/Sandbox. You can experiment there and then come back and ask us if we think it's ready to be moved into mainspace. Here's a standard creation message:

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. Zain Ebrahim (talk) 14:53, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Well, the best place to start is to simply start writing your article on your user page (which can be found at User:Thatch 101). Simply click on the red link and start typing. Be sure to hit save at the bottom when you're done. After you've polished up your draft, you can move the article out to the mainspace. Cheers! TN‑X-Man 14:54, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I would advise against creating an article directly on a user page. The preferable method (though I don't think there is a policy to this effect) is to do so in a sandbox or other sub-page, then it's abundantly clear that the page is an article draft, especially if you add the {{User Sandbox}} template. – ukexpat (talk) 15:06, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

• I've offered this user one-on-one coaching so I can test out my Article creation Bootcamp idea before implementing it. If the article happens to be on a subject I know nothing about, I'll get assistence from an expert. - Mgm|^(talk) 17:38, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

When Wikipedia was made

wikepedia was made in 1992 it has been updated roughly 2 years ago and it is very good and reliable —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.234.30.180 (talk) 17:20, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

You might be thinking of Interpedia which was launched in 1993. Wikipedia was officially launched in 2001. See History of Wikipedia for more. Btw, this desk is for help on how to use wikipedia - I'm not sure what you're looking for. Zain Ebrahim (talk) 17:33, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Moving pages

An editor named Srkhan2 has been moving pages around and I can't figure out how to move them back. When I try to move the page to the original name it says it already exists. (their contribs) Copana2002 (talk) 17:57, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

This has been done so many times by this user. Now the pages must be moved back and the silly redirects he created have to be deleted. Only admins can do both things. Shahid • ^Talk2me 18:06, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Can't remove Tags.

Royal: My edit was reversed on the Assemblies of Yahweh page. How do I get it back up without causing an edit war, and pointless conversations? I have quoted from many sources because the tag claims:

it doesn't have enough, but when I reference third party sources in the article, the edit was reversed?

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Assemblies_of_Yahweh&diff=252454698&oldid=252405283

Royal Lineage (talk) 18:17, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

• Fctedt (talk · contribs) seems to think the previous version by Jayjg (talk · contribs) was better in some way (he left a note on the talk page). Since he reverted to a version by Jayjg, I contacted Jayjg asking them to review your addition. - Mgm|^(talk) 18:29, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

(edit conflict)I'm not sure, but you may want to discuss the edit with the user who made it, User:Fctedt. You may be able to work out a resolution with him/her. Cheers! TN‑X-Man 18:29, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you Royal Lineage (talk) 18:34, 18 November 2008 (UTC).

Can remove tag on sacred scriptures bethel edition page too, please. Royal Lineage (talk) 18:49, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia (English) On Local Backup Disc

Greetings,

Many people today are worried about the threat of global catastrophe wiping out the internet in different areas for unforeseen periods - is there any way for educators to create/obtain a digital backup of, for instance, all current English language pages of Wikipedia? How large would such a backup be, and how would it best be created (while maintaining local searchability)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.175.244.213 (talk) 19:13, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Part of your answer is at Wikipedia:FAQ/Technical#How big is the database?. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 19:17, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

and yes you can download the database. See WP:DOWNLOAD. Cheers Gtstricky^{Talk or C} 19:31, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I think you may simply want to procure a copy of one of the WP:1.0 release CDs, it's easier to use (although it must be purchased here). Downloading the database dumps is free, but assumes you have some technical knowledge of how to use that raw data (XML or SQL) to produce pages with it. As for size, the latest database dump site says that all pages, current version only (note that some will be incomplete, vandalized as of that dump, etc.) is 6.4 GB compressed with bzip2. Articles, templates, image descriptions, and primary meta-pages (described as "This contains current versions of article content, and is the archive most mirror sites will probably want.") is 3.5 GB compressed with bzip2. Note that the uncompressed size can be much bigger, as well as that the dumps are by no means up-to-date (they are actually several months old). See WP:DOWNLOAD for information on how to use it, etc. Calvin 1998 ^(t·c) 01:37, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

For even more information, see WP:EIW#Mirror and WP:EIW#Download. I agree that global catastrophes are worth planning for, but I'm having trouble picturing a global catastrophe that could wipe out Wikipedia without simultaneously wiping out my ability to run a computer that could read a local copy of Wikipedia I had presciently stashed away. A catastrophe that takes out the Internet and keeps it out would probably be so far-reaching that I'd probably be more worried about simply surviving, assuming I had survived whatever the initial catastrophe was. While there are good arguments for backing up Wikipedia, I'm not sure that coping with a total collapse of the Internet is the best one. I mean, just think about how many other things would be going wrong in conjunction with that. The Internet is relatively inexpensive for a modern society to maintain, so if society lost its ability to maintain the Internet, we'd probably be going back to the Stone Age or something. Then again, if you are writing from some location where a repressive government arbitrarily limits Internet access, and you want to have your own copy of Wikipedia handy for when that happens, then it would make more sense to look into mirroring. But I imagine mirroring Wikipedia is not especially simple. --Teratornis (talk) 00:13, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

berghof edelstahl

is this in germany.If so where. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.175.90.65 (talk) 19:50, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I cannot find a Wikipedia article related to those two terms together. However, you may want to see Berghof or Edelstal. Cheers! TN‑X-Man 20:24, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Help deleting a subpage?

used "Wikipedia: My First Article" advice to create a subpage before moving it to the main area. I'm now done with it, how do I delete it? it's actually searchable from google!Alchu99 (talk) 19:53, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Place {{db-g7}} at the top. An admin will be by to delete it after a while. Cheers! TN‑X-Man 19:54, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

BTW: you can prevent a user page or subpage from being indexed by adding {{NOINDEX}}. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 19:58, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

thanks for the super fast responses. I'll use the noindex tag in the future.Alchu99 (talk) 20:11, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Problem with monobook scripts.

After 3 years of editing Wikipedia - I decided to start using some scripts. However, none seem to be working for me. Check my page User:Gppande/monobook.js I added 2 scripts which are used extensively but they don't work for me.

• The script from Lightmouse does not have any links like "delink ..." when I click "What links here" in the toolbox on left side bar. I am trying this on the edit page - after clicking the edit button tab on top of a article. After I click "What links here" all I see are the usual page list that link to article I am editing. I have set "no preference" in my date and time tab under "my preferences" as per guideline.
• The second script is the one which will add "since" tab to my page just like Article, edit, discussion tabs on top. However, this also does not come.

I am using Mozilla Firefox 3.0.4 and I have cleared my cache, browsing history and all stuff - even restarted FF but to no avail. I need help from help desk as I think these two are pretty awesome tools and should ease my editing work here. I have tried all options before asking this question. Feel free to edit my monobook page to solve this problem or tell me what I did wrong. Thanks in advance. --GPPande talk! 19:53, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

The first obvious thing to ask is if you have your skin set to MonoBook. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 20:02, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Some scripts put additional links in the toolbox on the left side of WP pages - not sure if these do, but please check there. – ukexpat (talk) 20:11, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Yup, monobook default under skins. Also, there is no new link coming under toolbox. The "since" tab should come alongside edit, history, talk tabs on top. --GPPande talk! 20:14, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

OK. Blank your .js, save and purge. Add one script back, save and purge. Does it work? If so, add the other scripts one at a time. You can enable refTools under Gadgets. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 20:20, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Resolved

Awesome! It worked with both scripts I wanted. Thanks for your fast help. I appreciate your help. --GPPande talk! 20:47, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Hatnote confusion

Hello, I've figured out that you use hatnotes to distinguish between similarly named articles, but I am still confused about how to use them. I want to put a notice on Eusebius of Nicomedia to distinguish him from the church historian Eusebius of Caesarea, author of a famous history of early Christianity. The hatnote help page didn't help. Thank you. LovesMacs (talk) 20:29, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Simply add {{otheruses}} to show a link to Eusebius (disambiguation). --—— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 20:33, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

If I add {{otheruses}}, it says "For other uses, see Eusebius of Nicomedia (disambiguation)" which doesn't fix the problem. Is there a way to force what the disambiguation page is? Thanks. LovesMacs (talk) 20:42, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Ooops. Use {{otheruses2|Eusebius}}. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 20:48, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

That did the trick (and that "tl" thing is a nice thing to learn too!). Thanks. LovesMacs (talk) 21:29, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Reporting Abuse

I seem to remember a reader used to be able to report abuse on each page. I don't see that option anymore. I don't edit Wikipedia, but just saw abuse in the page on fortune cookies. Just wanted to report it, but do not know how. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.170.162.194 (talk) 21:49, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

• No problem Politizer (talk · contribs) already removed the vandalism. Vandalism is usually removed within minutes or hours. If it's not feel free to report it here. - Mgm|^(talk) 23:33, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:Vandalism. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:58, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

No response on months-old question on Financial Services companies stubs

A while back, I posted a question on the [company stubs discussion] about how to add a stub using the provided template. I have yet to get a response and don't want to bork the site, so any help would be great.

This is in addition to another and related issue. Namely, I'd also like for someone to look at the page I created for my company -- User:MarkD4700/PioneerServices -- to ensure it meets Wikipedia guidelines. If it doesn't, I'd like to know how to make it conform. If it does already conform, I'd like to go back to the first issue and have someone explain how the heck I add it to the page with the other stubs.

Thanks in advance MarkD4700 (talk) 22:07, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

To add a stub, you just edit the article and add the appropriate template at the end - in this case {{US-finance-company-stub}} - just copy and paste {{US-finance-company-stub}}. I took a look at your draft article - the awards section is OK, but I am not sure that the list of locations adds much to it. Also, for the sake of balance, is there any criticism of the company in any reliable sources? If so, a criticism section would be appropriate. Hope this helps. – ukexpat (talk) 22:25, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

My suspicion is that this will be marked for speedy deletion simply because of the conflict of interest between the author and the subject. DOR (HK) (talk) 06:49, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Why? COI is not a speedy deletion criterion. I think there are the makings of a valid article here, even it remains a stub. – ukexpat (talk) 15:50, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

All the information needed relating to stubs can be found at WP:Stub - the section "How to mark an article as a stub" is the most relevant to actually adding a stub template. As to the article itself, the comments above seem reasonable, though you should also be warned top beware of writing information on a company that you are involved with (see WP:COI for an explanation of why). For future reference, BTW, it's likely no-one saw your earlier message. Very few discussions relating to stub types are actually carried out in category talk pages - most of them take place either at Wikipedia talk:Stub or at one of the talk pages connected to Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting. Grutness...wha? 07:56, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the responses! I actually tried my level best to follow the CoI guidelines -- it's why I put it on a user page, included my relationship to the company, and asked for everyone's input. I also tried real, real, REAL hard to make it as neutral as humanly possible. I've already made some tweaks, but if folks decide the changes are still not enough, I'm perfectly okay with following the community's decision and telling the "powers that be" around here that's just the way it is. Thanks again! MarkD4700 (talk) 17:08, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

I am going to be bold and create this article. I feel that it is properly referenced and is notable. If anyone would like to help improve the article, it is at Pioneer Services. Cheers! TN‑X-Man 17:14, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

can't see images i uploaded

actually, i can see them, but only on the "uploaded images gallery" in my user page. when i try to visualize them in an article or the relative image page, i can't see them at all, not even the small box usually shown when images don't load.

examples: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image:All_Music_Logo.svg http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image:Televisione_Svizzera.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image:Radio_Svizzera.jpg (the last two i can see in the image page, but not when embedded in an article)

other images appear normally, both on wikipedia and on other sites.

thank you in advance for your help.

--Piccolo Modificatore Laborioso (talk) 22:09, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

It's almost certainly a server problem that will be resolved in due course. – ukexpat (talk) 22:20, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

do I have to reupload my images later on? --Piccolo Modificatore Laborioso (talk) 22:25, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Probably not - if they are displaying in the gallery then they are on the server. I would just be patient and check back a little later. – ukexpat (talk) 22:27, 18 November 2008 (UTC)