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January 20

Copyright Question

Hello, a quick copyright question from a Campus Ambassador. One of the students in a course I'm working with had s question about using a study's data on Wikipedia. Her question and my response are below, and I was wondering if my reasoning would be correct.

• Question: "... I want to copy and paste some tables into my group's Wikipedia page, and I need to know how I can figure out whether the pasting of tables from online journals is permissible by the journals I am using as sources and whether it is what Wikipedia calls 'Fair Use.'"

• My Response: "... As for the data, it depends a lot on whether the information is in the public domain (essentially, whether or not someone could access the information for free). If that's the case with this journal, I'd say you'd be all set to include it, provided of course that you cite your source. With data, unlike with text, there's no way to express the same idea with different words, so the copyright rules wouldn't be the same. My reasoning is based both on personal experience and the 10 guidelines here. The most relevant ones for you would be to (1) use the bare minimum of data necessary for the reader's understanding, and (2) to ensure that the data corresponds directly with an important section of the text. ..."

Would that be correct? If not, what would be? Thanks, Kithira (talk) 00:37, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

I don't agree with the implied definition of public domain. Most online journals are not free to copy, even if they are free to access. I agree with your point that text can typically be rewritten with different words, which is why fair use of text is rare. I'd be cautious with data. While I take you point that you can't rewrite it like you can with text, a particular format of a table may be viewed as creative. This is a closer call, but as usual moonriddengirl is the expert. She has done a lot of work with copyright issue regarding lists, which are close to your example of data, but tabular data may well be a more complicated issue than a simple list.

I'm responding abstractly, and it may be easier to respond with an actual answer. Another question that arises is why does one chose to include a table of data? Lists of items are understandable, but a table of state might open up other questions, Obviously, we have to steer clear of WP:OR, which shouldn't be a problem if the sources conclusions are used an properly attributed, but one wonders why the data is necessary, as opposed to simply the conclusions.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 00:59, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

You should ask at WP:CQ. That's where the copyright-knowable folks hang out. You might need to provide more details such as the name of the Journal and how much from the article you are planning to use. RudolfRed (talk) 01:04, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Like Sphilbrick said, while data itself is not copyrightable, use of data can be creative so I would think it would depend on whether the ordering of the data met a threshold of originality, which would require seeing the particular use in order to come to an assessment. Disagree though that fair use of text is rare—it's actually ubiquitous—but comes up in a way that is not talked about often, so it may not be evident that fair use is at play. Specifically, all quotations on Wikipedia (of copyrighted material) are instances of fair use. That is why very long quotes are not allowed, because they go beyond what would be considered fair use of the material (the percentage of use in relation to the size of the original work is also a factor).--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 05:22, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

I stand corrected on the fair use of text. What I meant, and I think is accurate, that while use of images under fair use requires a formal Wikipedia:FUR, I don't recall seeing one used for text. We do allow quoted text, when identified properly, but I don't ever recall seeing a rationale filed for the use of text.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 22:56, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

View new pages added today?

Hello I'm wondering if there is a way to see pages that where added today like new pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.74.69.11 (talk) 04:03, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

"Special pages" in the left pane has a link saying "New pages". PrimeHunter (talk) 04:08, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

IP Address

How can I change my IP address on Wikipedia?

IJ451 (talk) 04:07, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Your IP address is determined by your Internet connection and not Wikipedia so I'm not sure what you mean. If you made an edit without logging in and you want the IP address to be hidden for privacy reasons then see Wikipedia:Requests for oversight. If you want to change username from IJ451 to something else then see Wikipedia:Changing username. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:12, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Related (I hope) to this question: I've edited Wikipedia sporadically since late 2008. Today I decided to create a user account. Can I migrate my existing IP-address-based edit history to my new account? If this is not possible, then perhaps [|the signup page] or its associated help page should include advice to this effect. 206.248.138.250 (talk) 01:44, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Would appreciate advice on contentious situation where I'm not sure where to (or if I should) report or ask for assistance on it.

Hi, I am involved in an AFD that has escalated into unpleasantness, both in the AFD and on the talk page for the article that is nominated for deletion. I'm not sure it is appropriate for me to take this to WP:Dispute resolution but I really feel at a loss. The issues are beyond my ken, and although I have tried to keep things neutral on the AFD nomination discussion, I now feel way out of my depth. I would really appreciate knowing that other, uninvolved people have looked at the situation, as I think I've ended up caught up in something beyond my understanding. I'm not even sure I should be bringing this here... so apologies if I've done wrong, I kept looking for somewhere to get help with no joy, so have come here as a last resort after considering dispute resolution several times over last couple days. Thank you for your advice and help. The AFD in question is Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Araksi Cetinyan Mabalu (talk) 04:14, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

My suggestion is to disengage entirely. If you find you are becoming emotionally involved, or getting into repetitive back-and-forth disputes with the same people, it is best just to disengage. Anything important that needs to be said can be said fairly briefly and only needs to be said once, if you find you are fighting with someone, it's past the time to just go do something else for a while. Wikipedia has lots of places that need work, and if one article is giving you lots of trouble, let it calm down a bit and go do something else. --Jayron32 04:44, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! I'm already trying to step back from it, but others don't appear to be, and I feel like I ought to at least be keeping an eye on the madness. Just wondered if there's anywhere where you can request someone else to take a moderating/uninvolved eye without it having to be a report. Mabalu (talk) 11:29, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

What to do with a spam link that has already been reviewed but not deleted?

Hi, I don't know what to do with a spam link I removed in a page.

User:Cartoonistarif put spam links in several pages (as you can see in his talk page), including The Mag. Nobody removed it, even though it has no relevance to the subject. I kept the link when I cleaned up the links section of The Mag, but upon looking at his talk page I saw the problems... a fan magazine of Newcastle United has nothing to do with an online cartoon magazine in Bangladesh. What to do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by BlueRoll18 (talk • contribs) 04:51, 20 January 2013 (UTC) Oops I forgot to sign -_- BlueRoll18 (talk) 04:53, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Have they posted again since they got the warning? If so, you can report it at WP:ANV RudolfRed (talk) 04:59, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

User:Jojalozzo reported the spam linking on the user's talk page, but still didn't remove the offending link. I don't know why BlueRoll18 (talk) 05:29, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

columbus ohio

cowtown is not a nickname. someone even linked it to the definition of hicksville. none of the "sources" are valid. it is all simply slander. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.184.77.26 (talk) 05:53, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Really? How's this source? Or this one or this one? The fact that I found these with ease leads me to believe that the numerous ones listed in the article, though not linked, likely all check out. I suspect they were added in the first place because of hollow protests like yours.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 06:19, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Hogtown envies Cowtown--Canoe1967 (talk) 06:52, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Please, try to be civil here. BlueRoll18 (talk) 07:36, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Film Festival Wiki - deleted.

Hello,

If anyone can offer advice here, we will be most grateful.

Recently we discovered that the wiki we made about the Saint Petersburg International Film Festival (SPIFF) had been deleted. Before it disappeared completely I managed to read a message on it from a wiki editor. As I remember, it said there were insufficient sources.

Unfortunately we didn't know how to fix this and subsequently the wiki was deleted.

We would be very grateful if anyone could send us some guidelines the help us avoid this in future. Also, if it is possible for the wiki to be reinstated, instructions on how to achieve this would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you for your time, I have you are able to help.

Best regards,

C.A. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.172.15.23 (talk) 07:51, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Please wait before creating a page about a company or organization.
Since you have a close connection to the company or organization, you have a conflict of interest. Please read these FAQ first. If you still think your article is appropriate, you can submit it to Articles for creation. Just click this link and follow the instructions..--Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:54, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Moving a category

I've just discovered a category with a typo in the title - Category:World record holders in paralympic athletics should be Category:World record holders in Paralympic athletics because the adjective "Paralympic" is derived from a proper noun. There is no move link on the category page so how is it suposed to be done? Roger (talk) 08:12, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

According to the advice given here, categories cannot be moved. You have to edit all the articles you want to have placed in the new category. Maybe a tool such as AWB can do it, I am not sure. Otherwise I'd ask at WP:BOTREQ. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 08:39, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Uhm, I should actually read the stuff I point others to =). You can list a category you want to be renamed at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Speedy (see the advice on that page). -- Toshio Yamaguchi 08:42, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Roger (talk) 08:44, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

If I prematurely nominated an article at AfD....

Resolved

If I incorrectly nominated an article at AfD because of some confusion on my part, what can I do? In the case at hand it is clear that the nomination was the wrong choice, because after some searching I found some sources (and already added some to the article in question). What can I do to remedy the situation? -- Toshio Yamaguchi 09:54, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Just undo or rollback your edit.--Pratyya ^(Hello!) 11:53, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

What you need to do is close the AFD, following the instructions here, giving the rationale "Nomination withdrawn" or something to that effect--Jac16888 ^Talk 11:59, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. I closed the AfD and removed the AfD tag from the article. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 12:12, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Adding an entry

Hi

I am a board member of an Australian not-for-profit and would like to post a Wiki article providing information into what we do. Is there a tutorial which can guide me on doing this?

Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.168.133.69 (talk) 10:22, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Hello, please read WP:YFA for a guide. CURTAINTOAD! ^TALK! 10:39, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Welcome. The easiest thing to do is to go to the page Wikipedia:Articles for creation, click on Create an article now! and follow the steps provided there. I recommend you take the time to carefully read the information provided there. As someone representing the organization about which you want to create an article, you have a conflict of interest, so I highly recommend you read the page Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide before you start. If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask here. You can always ask a new question in this section by clicking the [Edit] link to the right of the Adding an entry heading. Simply put new comments at the bottom of this section. If you reply to someones elses post, please indent your replies by putting one more colon : in front of it, than the previous comment has like this:

Question

:Reply

Also, remember to sign your posts by typing four tildes at the end like this ~~~~. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 10:47, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

The only thing I would add is that articles are expected only for subjects which meet the wikipedia notability guidelines. If you're organisation has a reasonable amount of coverage in the national press then it may be accepted. However, wikipedia isn't a place to promote your organisation. ---- _nonsense ferret 13:57, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Woodperry House, Oxfordshire

Woodperry House was bought by myself, Farzaneh Pirouz, and Kaveh Moussavi in 1995. I renovated the house keeping its character in tact. When the Youngs bought it from us it was already completely refurbished. I studied the period and especially focused on the original features. I am art historian, specialised in Islamic Art, studied at Oxford University and now am acting as a consultant and curator. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Farzanehpirouz (talk • contribs) 13:09, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Sorry to state the obvious, but this isn't a question. If you wish to highlight something that is incorrect in the Woodperry House then you should consider finding an appropriate reference and editing the article. Changes should only be made if they can be verified with an appropriate reference ---- _nonsense ferret 13:54, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

AOL Web Proxy

Not sure where I should ask this, here, AN(I) or VP(T)
I reverted some minor, unsourced, additions to Little River, South Carolina - addition of a "world reknown(sic) guitarist Mark Francis" (no matches to such a guitarist), and addition of a fish pond. These items were reinstated, so I removed them again and went to the IPs talk page User talk:205.188.117.69, to leave an explanation.

This talk page states at the top:-

This IP address is that of an AOL web proxy which now sends X-Forwarded-For headers to the Wikimedia Foundation. No further edits should originate from this IP address

This block is clearly not working, as the IP is adding material. Where do I report this?
Arjayay (talk) 14:02, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

The block log shows that this user was never indef-blocked, the last block was from 2006 and set to last 15 minutes. So I don't think it's a tech issue. I've not seen that template before, though, so I don't know what the deal with it is. The page referred to in the notice is marked as "historical", so I wonder if the tag is even relevant any more? – Philosopher ^{Let us reason together.} 14:23, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Interference by Wikicrapia

Please stop changing my edits to failed uk politicians, this helps no one, STOP doing it you interferes!!!,,,, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.122.158.118 (talk) 14:06, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Vandalising Wikipedia in the way you are doing such as here, here and here, helps no one either unless your assertions can be reliably sourced --Senra (talk) 14:24, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

IP has been blocked for 31 hours. --— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 14:40, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Biography

hi. i have a question for Biography of people in wikipedia. if we have writing for a person, it is legal to write his ideology about something. this isn`t abusage of wikipedia site for Propaganda that ideology ?--Espiral (talk) 14:15, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

The key is meeting the reliable sources requirements. If this is related to your ongoing dispute discussion, then please discuss it there. --— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 14:43, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

you mean WP:RSN ?--Espiral (talk) 15:32, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

How to describe the use of a file as minimal?

I want to upload an image of a company's logo, but do not have much familiarity with uploading images. I am asked to describe how the image's use will be minimal. The form explains that this means not using more files in the article than are necessary, but it also says that the image must not be larger or of a higher resolution than is necessary. What is "larger than necessary" or "of a higher resolution than necessary"? How do I know if the image that I want to upload meets this criteria? If it doesn't, is there a way that I can change the image's size or lower its resolution? --Jpcase (talk) 16:19, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

I think the rule of thumb is 300px wide maximum. Logos go in the infobox at the top and the recommended size is 300px wide. You can scale them in GIMP or similar software. In gimp use the image menu, scale image, set to pixels, and then set width to 300 and the height should adjust with it if you don't break the little chain link between the two. Some logos are ineligable for copyright because they aren't artistic enough so you may be able to upload it to commons.--Canoe1967 (talk) 16:40, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

If you're not able to rescale the image yourself, it can be rescaled for you after it is uploaded. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:56, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

I think it may be this one. File:Kanabar Entertainment logo.jpg is not eligible for copyright so I uploaded one to commons. The servers over there have been acting up and it keeps putting black padding around my versions. If you find a better one then just overwrite the failing one using 'upload new version of this file' at its commons page.--Canoe1967 (talk) 17:25, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Yep, that's the image that I wanted. Thanks a lot for your help! --Jpcase (talk) 18:27, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Resolved

You are very welcome.--Canoe1967 (talk) 21:22, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Editing Mistakes

Hello,My name is Eli,just wanted to say I never Edit;account was made and never used only twice to post ads.Please relinquish editing rights on this account as I may have been hacked or clicked something by mistake.Please accept my humblest apologies and be assured these actions are not condoned by myself.Attacks like these do occur harming persons account,Attentatively,Eli. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.184.189.213 (talk) 17:45, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

If you mean your IP adress then that vandalism is close to two years ago and probably done by somebody that had it then. You can probably just remove it all and in your edit summary mention it is old, and wasn't you. I don't think IP addresses are actually considered "accounts" but just the IP that the edits were made from.--Canoe1967 (talk) 18:16, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

If you create an account, then you won't have the problem of getting warnings for edits you didn't make. See WP:ACCOUNT RudolfRed (talk) 18:46, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

I am working on cleaning up

the List of Jewish American architects, and some other lists too, and was wondering if the "Contents" section (in this case, "A - Z") could be set up in a mutli-column format? As it is the list starts with mostly blank space. If the "A - Z" could be set up in, say, four or five columns it would be (opinion) much better and I could probably apply the technique in a number of articles. Thanks, Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 18:16, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedia table of contents templates has a bunch of choices that may help. I have seen ones for categories that go sideways instead of up/down.--Canoe1967 (talk) 18:38, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Resolved

Added horizontal TOC.--Canoe1967 (talk) 21:23, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Book Feature Not Saving

Hi, my question is in regards to the Create A Book feature. I've tried on a number of occassions to begin a book, and have reviewed the help docs on the subject. I simply do not have the book come back between browser sessions. I stay logged in, that works, but the box to add an article is never there when I return. I am super-frustrated by this, and want to use this feature. Please let me know what's up. I have cookies enabled, using IE9, Win7. Thanks, Justin (Jkellner6504) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jkellner6504 (talk • contribs) 20:18, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

You have less than ten edits so your account is not yet autoconfirmed. The things you are allowed to do on WP are thus subject to various restrictions, saving a book is one of them. Roger (talk) 21:17, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Hidden information not showing

At this location, there is supposed to be some statistics and scoring summary information that can be shown or hidden as part of the NFC Championship Game summary (you can see how it is supposed to look by checking some of the game summaries higher up on the page). It looks like the information is not showing properly and I can't figure out what the problem is. I'd appreciate it if someone else could take a look. AutomaticStrikeout (T • C) 20:23, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

It seems the problem was the empty scoring parameter. I've removed it here at that seems to have fixed it, although I can't tell you exactly why that fixed it. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 20:42, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

I guess that maybe some of the elements of Template:Americanfootballbox, such as {{{scoring|}}} need to be changed to {{{scoring<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}}. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 20:54, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Looks like everything is working fine now. Thanks. AutomaticStrikeout (T • C) 02:15, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

New Logo Image For WYKR-FM

The Logo for WYKR-FM has changed. The new logo is much smaller in size than the former logo and can be found Here. 98.229.132.126 (talk) 20:30, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

I assuming you would like to upload the updated image, well, you may request the image be uploaded at files for upload. TBrandley ^{(what's up)} 01:18, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank You Very Much For The Advice, User:TBrandley. Consider It Done! 98.229.132.126 (talk) 08:23, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

3 Remaining Stunt Logos for WTKK Found: All 300 Pixels And Under

I managed to locate the 3 remaining Stunt Logos for WTKK. All these logos are 300 pixels and under and were obtained from the same source as the Stunt Logo currently being displayed for the "Power 96.9" Stunt Format.

• WTKK Stunt Logo as "Nova 96.9"
• WTKK Stunt Logo as "96.9 Mike FM"
• WTKK Stunt Logo as "96.9 The Bone"

98.229.132.126 (talk) 20:41, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

About Murdered Native American people

Category:Murdered Native American people

TWO NATIVE AMERICANS NEED TO BE ADDED, ELLISON MEYERS "TARZAN" BROWN THE ONLY BOSTON MARATHON RUNNER WHO WON 2 MARATHONS IN 24 HOURS, WAS MURDERED IN 1975, HE WAS A NARRAGANSETT INDIAN

GRAND SACHEM MIANTONOMO WAS ALSO MURDERED IN 1643 BY Wawequa FOR UNCAS WHO WAS PAID TRO THIS SANCTION ACT BY THE PLYMOUTH COLONY AND PAID UNCAS BY HAVING HIM GUARDED UNTIL HIS DEATH BY A COLONIAL MILITIA AND HIS HEIRS DID NOT FEEL IT WAS PROPER PAYMENT FOR THE KILLING OF THE LEADER OF NEW ENGLAND, SO THEY CONTINUED PAYMENT WITH AN INDIAN SCHOOL WHICH BECAME DARTMOUTH, AS SAMUEL OCCUM WAS THE GRANDSON OF UNCUS! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.97.189.217 (talk) 21:16, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Do you have a question for us? Please don't SHOUT, it's rude. Roger (talk) 21:33, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

He wants those two people added to the list... preferably in uppercase. :p But one little problem: neither one has an article. --76.189.106.37 (talk) 23:25, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Wow, I stand corrected. There actually are articles for both of them: Ellison Brown (a.k.a. Ellison Myers "Tarzan" Brown) and Miantonomoh (a.k.a. Miantonomo). --76.189.106.37 (talk) 23:35, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

But were they "murdered", which is what that list is about? The Brown article says he was struck and killed by a van. The Miantonomoh article says he was tried, found guilty, and advised to be killed, which he was. --76.189.106.37 (talk) 23:43, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict) They both have articles but a search was required since the poster didn't give the article names. Ellison Brown says: "He was killed in 1975 when a van hit him outside a bar in Westerly, Rhode Island". Do you have a reliable source saying it was murder? Miantonomoh is already in Category:Executed Native American people. Regardless of the circumstances of his execution, he shouldn't be in the murder category too. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:45, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

I agree with PrimeHunter. Based on the content of the two articles, neither was murdered. --76.189.106.37 (talk) 23:48, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Photo gallery usage

I have a general policy question regarding the use of photo galleries in articles. I am hoping to get feeback from editors who are extremely knowledgeable on this topic. My question is simple: Is the photo gallery at the bottom of Hiram College appropriate usage of a gallery? Or, should it be removed? I looked at the articles of dozens of other Ohio and U.S. colleges, and there was no photo gallery in any of them. I also read WP:galleries very carefully; my interpretation of it is that the removal of the gallery in the Hiram article would clearly be warranted, as it is simply a collection of random campus photos. However, I do not want to simply remove the gallery without getting the thoughts of some "experts" first. I asked an administrator about this, but she was kind enough to acknowledge that images aren't her thing. Your input would be appreciated. --76.189.106.37 (talk) 21:20, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

The relevant policy here is WP:Galleries, which says that the relevance of an image gallery to the article should be apparent and the gallery as a whole should be beneficial for a readers understanding of the subject. In my opinion, most of those images are unnecessary without any further context so I agree that this gallery should be removed. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 21:43, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Consider removing the Hiram College gallery per automated review, WP:NOT and WP:Galleries then placing the removed gallery on the talk-page. This is what I did with Ely—see the talk-page --Senra (talk) 22:32, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Toshio and Senra, thank you so much for the feedback. Senra, I'm totally lost on what you're suggesting, so can one of you please remove it in whatever way is appropriate? However this is handled, I just want it to be done properly and per guidelines, so I'd rather have someone with a lot more experience do it. Or I could just follow Toshio's guidance and remove it. Thanks. --76.189.106.37 (talk) 22:58, 20 January 2013 (UTC) 23:08, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

 Done in article here and talk-page here --Senra (talk) 00:43, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Please, help me with my first article

I wrote my first article, Hiroyuki Tsuchida. Can anybody check it for English spelling mistakes and others? Thank. Kotjap (talk) 23:10, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

The article was just deleted for the second time, per G4. The first time was three years ago. See your talk page. --76.189.106.37 (talk) 00:38, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Since only admins can see deleted pages, how is a person supposted to know how their material differs from previously posted material? RudolfRed (talk) 00:56, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

That's a very good point Rudolf. You made me laugh when I read it. But I guess it doesn't really matter anyway, because each article attempt needs to stand on its own merits. If it passes muster, it gets approved. If not, it gets deleted. The second version apparently didn't pass muster either. ;) --76.189.106.37 (talk) 01:13, 21 January 2013 (UTC)