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June 22[edit]

Cross-wiki problem[edit]

A thread is open at WP:ANI. No need to forum shop here. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:40, 22 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Juzumaru (talk · contribs) has apparently got the impression that it's my responsibility to discuss English Wikipedia problems with him in Japanese. When he was told not to do this on English Wikipedia, he insisted that I go to Japanese Wikipedia. I am just plain not interested in using Japanese Wikipedia, but I humoured him for a bit. When I got tired of this I blanked my talk page there, which caused a brief edit war with an unrelated third party who didn't understand that I was not there to edit Japanese Wikipedia and didn't realize it's my right to blank my own talk page. Now Juzumaru is complaining on English ANI about me blanking my talk page on Japanese Wikipedia.[1]

I'm here because I need someone who he hasn't already decided is his enemy to explain to him that it's not my responsibility to use Japanese or to regularly edit Japanese Wikipedia.

Can I get some help?

126.0.96.220 (talk) 12:03, 22 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hijiri 88 repeatedly writing in Japanese to talk my page.(126.0.96.220 is the socks of Hijiri.) For this reason, I have a reply Japanese him in the Japanese version Wikipedia. Then, Hijiri has been deleted my comments from my talk page [2]. And in the admin Board , Hijiri has hidden Juzumaru's comments.[3] I am not interested in Hijiri at all. (I have not talked to him from me.) --Juzumaru (talk) 13:37, 22 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

See what I mean? I only ever wrote in Japanese to explain points that had already been PAINLFULLY elaborated for him in English. PLEASE SOMEONE TELL THIS PERSON TO KNOCK IT OFF. 126.0.96.220 (talk) 14:37, 22 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Wait. But how does the IP come in again? There is an actual ja user named Hijiri. Dustin (talk) 14:42, 22 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Should this not be discussed at the relevant ANI report guys. There's no need to spread your conflict out. --Skamecrazy123 (talk) 14:45, 22 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@User:Dustin V. S. Sorry, the ja.wiki account is me. I'm editing here as an IP for reasons. See the first line of the ANI report for details. Or email User:Cuchullain, User:TParis or User:Yunshui. User:In ictu oculi could probably explain the problem as well, but I'm pretty sure he doesn't like off-wiki communications.

@User:Skamecrazy123 I don't want to spread the conflict. I'm just worried that Juzumaru's posting an endless screed of nonsense is going to drive everyone away from the ANI thread just like last time and the time before that. This is entirely separate from my suggestion on ANI that he be blocked. I want someone -- anyone -- to explain to Juzumaru that he is not allowed hide English Wikipedia discussions on foreign language wikis.

126.0.96.220 (talk) 15:11, 22 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I understand situations where one user knows two languages and the other knows two, but is much better at one. In those situations, it is acceptable to discuss one wiki at another. However, it doesn't really make sense to me entirely what the issue is, so I will try to read that report you mentioned. Also, is there any actual proof that the IP user is a sock? If not, that is nothing more than an unfounded accusation, Juzumaru. Dustin (talk) 15:22, 22 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the real problem is that Juzumaru is WP:NOTHERE and should be blocked. After a two-month long debate we finally got a consensus that he agreed to, but four months later he has now come back and insisted that we reevaluate the previous consensus, on another Wikipedia. No matter how much evidence was presented by me and the other users in the discussion, he apparently is completely unable to understand us. By the way, I am not a sock. I am the same user. I have never tried to hide this. Juzumaru is not "lying" here, though. He just literally can't communicate effectively in English. 126.0.96.220 (talk) 15:30, 22 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Well, this line is a bit concerning: "But Juzumaru not interested in Hijiri." Still, this would probably be best left at the incidents noticeboard. There have not yet been any replies from other editors yet, but there should be eventually. Also, I know it may be difficult, but try to keep the insults to a minimum. You were probably already aware of that, but you don't want that to be used against you. Dustin (talk) 15:45, 22 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, thanks :) In the (in my opinion quite likely) event that no one else does respond on ANI, can you help me with the "I'm not going to read your comments or reply intelligibly, but I'm going to plow forward anyway and pretend you're the one who isn't communicating" problem? User:Ross Hill also tried dealing with this problem back in December and inadvertently made it worse... 126.0.96.220 (talk) 15:49, 22 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

image[edit]

if an image is on google images what copyright tag needs to be used? NickGibson3900 (talk) 15:19, 22 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean by "on google images"? Google's image search is a way of searching the web for images. To find the copyright status of an image, it is irrelevant that you found it using Google Images. You should look at the page where Google found it, and see if that page says anything about the image's copyright status. If it says nothing, it is safest to assume that someone retains copyright in it. Maproom (talk) 15:58, 22 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@User:Maproom http://www.livingly.com/copyrights/ what tag should i use for these guidelines/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by NickGibson3900 (talk • contribs) 16:11, 22 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The page you have linked to is the policy against user's uploading copyrighted material to the site. The page you want is the terms of service page where you will see that the user's of the site retain copyright and you are therefore not able to use the images on Wikipedia. The ToS do say that Zimbio have the right to release images on a CC licence, but unless they have explicitly done so with a Wikipedia compliant licence for the specific image you have in mind, then you cannot use it. Spinning Spark 17:54, 22 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

enwiki vs dewiki category for membership.[edit]

From my time on the English language wikipedia, it seems that it has been viewed as inappropriate to have a "Members of Delta Delta Delta" (or similar) category. However the German language wikipedia seems to allow this. (See [[:de:Kategorie:Korporierter_(Vereinigte_Staaten)]] and its subcategories. Can someone please point me to the appropriate policies for the two wikis?Naraht (talk)

You may be looking for Wikipedia:Overcategorization and our main guideline is at Wikipedia:Categorization. Can you give an example of what you mean, or link to a discussion? We seem to have plenty of All pages with titles beginning with Category:Members of. Spinning Spark 18:23, 22 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The equivalent German guideline is at de:Wikipedia:Kategorien. Spinning Spark 18:28, 22 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The question is apparently about student fraternities. We have lists at Category:Lists of members of United States student societies but usually not categories. I did find one at Category:Alpha Epsilon Pi brothers but it was created this year and hasn't been discussed yet. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:56, 22 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I'm fairly sure that en.wiki *used* to have this sort of categories, but were wiped out in a large CFD, but, I'm not sure when.Naraht (talk) 18:59, 22 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Results from CFD archive searches: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 April 24#Category:Iota Phi Theta brothers, Category:Gamma Eta Gamma brothers, Category:Delta Zeta Phi brothers, Category:Delta Sigma Theta sisters, Category:Delta Sigma Rho brothers, Category:Kappa Sigma brothers, Category:Lambda Upsilon Lambda hermanos, Category:Omega Psi Phi brothers, Category:Omicron Delta Kappa members and Category:Phi Alpha Delta brothers, Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 May 2#Members of German fraternities. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:09, 22 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

There are others, the original might be [4]. There is also [5][6][7]. Note that the last of these resulted in no consensus and the cats were kept. Spinning Spark 20:16, 22 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Can't view closed AFDs on mobile site[edit]

On my Android phone I can't view closed AFDs without going to desktop version. -- Brainy J ~✿~ (talk) 20:29, 22 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I am also an Android user, and find the desktop version to be superior in every way to the mobile version. I never use mobile unless an off-Wiki search brings me to it. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 20:57, 22 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You can't view them or you can't find them? It is indeed a pain to navigate to anything not in mainspace in the mobile version, but I can see AFDs fine once I have navigated to them. Please give an example of a page you are having trouble viewing, or else post again asking for help on how to navigate. Spinning Spark 21:32, 22 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Can't view them. It also happens on desktop when in mobile mode: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Tube_Bar_prank_calls. However it only happens with some AFDs, others I can view fine: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/YesAllWomen. -- Brainy J ~✿~ (talk) 18:27, 23 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Brainy J:. This appears to be a function of the css class used in the wrapping template. I will raise this on WP:VPT and see if someone there can fix it. Spinning Spark 02:08, 24 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Brainy J: I have raised this at WP:VPT. A bot (T13bot) is going to go through all the old XfDs and fix them. It may take several weeks before it gets them all. SpinningSpark 08:04, 25 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Total Article Count[edit]

Hello, Do redirects count towards the total number of articles created on Wikipedia or for a user?

Best, Upjav (talk) 23:44, 22 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If you mean like with the "N" indicator as may be seen here, then yes. If you mean like when judging the qualifications for user rights, then no, I believe. If I am incorrect, then others feel free to correct me though! Dustin (talk) 23:49, 22 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

There are no user rights based on number of pages created. Whether or not redirects are counted depends on the tool doing the counting. There is no Wikipedia "built in" fuction for this, but this tool on Wikimedialabs can be used and whether or not to include redirects is selectable. Spinning Spark 02:38, 23 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

When I said judging qualifications, I meant like for template editor for example, you are expected to have helped and/or created multiple templates, and similar things apply with many RfAs I have seen too. Dustin (talk) 02:46, 23 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

While a template editor is expected to have done template work and RfA likes to see article work from candidates there is no requirement to have created any pages. In fact, adminship is sometimes granted to candidates who have done no article work at all. It depends on what the candidate says they are going to do with the tools, but the proliferation of new user rights is slowly making this kind of admin unnecessary. Spinning Spark 02:55, 23 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Spinningspark: Hmm... really? That is new to me. I came to my own conclusion when looking at loads of ancient RfAs as may be seen at Special:PrefixIndex/Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/, but I guess some things have changed since many of those. Dustin (talk) 03:04, 23 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, all. As for the 'Wikipedia-wide' count, I'm curious as to whether redirects count toward the 1,xxx,xxx articles on English Wikipedia. Upjav (talk) 03:32, 23 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No, redirects are not included, only content pages. See special:statistics which shows the same number reported by {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}}. I think the number shown on the front page comes from the same source, but it does tend to lag the special page. Spinning Spark 09:51, 23 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The definition of what exactly is counted is explained at Wikipedia:What is an article?#Lists of articles and statistics. Spinning Spark 10:12, 23 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]