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July 9

Inaccuracy & Breaching Copyright - VERMIPONICS

Greetings,

My name is Dr. Brett Roe. I was given the advice to contact wiki n regard to the inaccurate wiki page Vermiponics

I hold the copyright for the term vermiponics which can be confirmed by searching this gov site (http://pericles.ipaustralia.gov.au/atmoss/falcon.application_start).

If you read the content of my website (www.vermiponics.com), you will find that the information held is both accurate and can be confirmed by publication.

A couple years ago I tried to add vermiponics to wiki, but it was denied by the powers that be. Hence, now that the term is officially accepted, I would appreciate being given the credit as any other claim of anyone either coining the term, or publishing research prior to myself is inaccurate and can not be confirmed (just web heresay). You will not be able to find any citations of the term vermiponics prior to my publication as they do not exist.

In addition, on my website there is a link to a government supported research project that has a full report available for free to the public which was ignored in the current wiki page.

Would someone kindly edit the page using more of the information on my website (definition, articles, etc.) and giving credit to myself and my team, and informing that I do own the trademark.

Many people are ignoring my copyright and not asking for my permission, and even profiting from it. I am not interested chasing the backyard / small groups over it, but wiki should hold themselves to a higher ethical standard.

Thank You.

Brett — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.223.8.185 (talk) 01:11, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

How did you get a doctorate if you can't tell the difference between a trademark and a copyright? --Orange Mike | Talk 02:56, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

We cover the aspects of topics relative to the proportions that the aspects are covered in reliably published sources. If, for example, a large proportion of the coverage of Vermiponics focused on the lawsuits someone had filed to enforce their trademark, we would probably mention the lawsuits. If (as appears to be the case in this situation) the coverage of Vermiponics never mentions anyone trying to trademark the term, we will not go to patent searches to include such information. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 07:19, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

User rights logs

Hi! Can someone list me all pages where I can find data about giving and depriving of the administrator (sysop) rights for users from other Wikipedia projects (particularly, for Serbian Wikipedia users)? I would like to make admin stats page with graphs, tables etc. but can't find data for some of the users (when they have become administators and/or when they have lost their sysop rights).

I'm currently using this user rights log (sr), this user rights log (en), this and even this, although some data is missing... I have used X'Tools service too but it seems to be very hard to get precise dates there, especially for changes of admin rights before 2006 or 2005 (+ X'Tools is not currently working).

To be clear, where to find logs with dates on which users Djordjes, Никола Смоленски, Обрадовић Горан and Pokrajac and others have got/lost their sysop rights?

Thank you in advance! --Obsuser (talk) 02:40, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Cover

How do I make this picture the cover for my WP:Book American Civil War?--Yutah Andrei Marzan Ogawa¹²³|UPage|_☺★ (talk) 08:14, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

@Andrei Marzan: You would do this by clicking the "Edit" link at the top of the page, or the "Edit ... Wikitext" link in the page banner. Then find the line beginning "cover-image=" and change it to "cover-image=Chickamauga.jpg", and save the change. BUT there's a note at Help:Books/for experts that this won't work: although this will display the image in the banner at the top of the book's page here, the current software won't take any notice of it when you download the PDF. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:37, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply John of Reading, now I can add a cover.--Yutah Andrei Marzan Ogawa¹²³|UPage|_☺★ (talk) 08:55, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

My number of edits

I am quite confused about how many edits I have actually made. Before I made four edits today, the mobile version said I had 1111 edits, which matches the number shown in my Preferences currently — 1115, excluding this help desk edit. The Preferences value is suggested to be the most accurate. However, X!'s tools tells me that I have 1098 live edits and 19 deleted edits, rendering 1117 total. Since I can't see deleted edits in my contribs, I can only verify that I do have 1098 live edits. However, annoyingly, X!'s tools tells me in the SUL editcounter section that I have 1115 edits on en wiki. So am I right in saying that I should ignore the 1117 number? The Average Wikipedian (talk) 14:33, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

X!'s tools is a bit buggy and being rewritten, but the 1098 live edits [before you made this post] seems to be correct. I can't see your deleted contributions, but I would trust your Preferences value over X!'s tools. But without being an admin, there's no way of knowing for sure. — Bilorv_(talk)^(c)(e) 15:30, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

The Average Wikipedian, the exact number of edits doesn't matter that much anyway. There are several different algorithms for edit counting, I understand, which produce somewhat different results in some cases. Your discrepancy seems to be a matter of 10 or 15 edits at most. In my case, my preferences shows 29,496 edits, my admin stats page (linked from User:DESiegel) shows 27,130 live edits, and 31,123 live +deleted. X!'s edit counter shows 27,141 live, and 31,134 live+deleted, but 29,496 enwiki edits according to the SUL edit counter, which seems to match the one used by the preferences page. Other counters show yet different values, but the differences are just not that significant. DES ^(talk) 00:48, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

The Average Wikipedian some of the reasons for the difference in edit counts are described in the lede and the "Caveat lector" section here Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by number of edits. Also be aware of Wikipedia:Editcountitis as medical science has not yet found a cure for it :-) MarnetteD|Talk 01:10, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Magic word for username

Having recently noticed Shyamal's excellent idea to automate the manual replacement of an instructional template preloadtitle (i.e. Add+Your+Username.) using the REVISIONUSER magic word, I found that the implementation was faulty because the magicword resolved before the title was created resulting in a preloadtitle of the username of the editor who had last edited the page. I made a modification to Shyamal's edit to prevent the immediate resolution of the magicword, and this does indeed produce the username of the editor who is currently editing, but unfortunately the magicword remains unresolved (as seen here) so the next time another editor edits the page, the title of the previous editor's post will also change to match the most recent editor. So now I've restored the original text. Is there a magic word that will give you your own username? And if not, then is there a clever workaround that anyone can think of in this situation? -Thibbs (talk) 15:32, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

@Thibbs: I have tried subst: this time with REVISIONUSER, could you give it a try now (seems to work) Shyamal (talk) 16:21, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

@Shyamal: - Apparently not.... Looks like it's resolving as "name of the previous editor" at the point where it pre-loads the title. So there's a lag. Right now if I were to create a new entry for myself it would have the title A326 since User:A326 was the last one to create a section (itself entitled "Shyamal" due to your last edit). I wonder if a possible solution would be to use the three tilde (~~~) as a preloadtitle. -Thibbs (talk) 17:09, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Hmm. Strike the above. Looking more closely it seems that your last edit made the preloadtitle be simply "Shyamal". So I wonder if it's resolving at the moment you hit "save page". Had you actually replaced "Add+Your+Username." with "{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}"? -Thibbs (talk) 17:20, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

OK assuming that's what happened, I went ahead and made one last tweak to breaking the template's immediate render. Now I guess we wait to see if it's worked. Fingers crossed. Thanks for your excellent ideas. -Thibbs (talk) 17:29, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Hey, seems like it was a success! Yay! -Thibbs (talk) 00:38, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Great! @Thibbs: should document this hack at the mediawiki page for magicwords. Certainly calls for cleaner design of the API and magicwords ;) Shyamal (talk) 01:43, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Table of Contents

I want to edit the table of contents on a page. But I dont see how to do that? The table of contents is on the page but when i go into edit i dont see it anywhere.

Basically I am reorganizing a page and want the table of contents to mimic the page with the additions and the placement changes.

This is the URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipedema

HELP!

16:19, 9 July 2015 (UTC)~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fdrs2014 (talk • contribs)

The table of contents is generated automatically from the section headings, see WP:TOC. Note also that to refer to a Wikipedia page we normally use a wikilink, rather than a url, so Lipedema rather than https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipedema . - David Biddulph (talk) 16:25, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

You cannot edit table of contents. You have to edit the section headings to change the heading name and you have to copy and paste the whole section to rearrange. The table of contents automatically changes. Thank you. Supdiop (talk) 16:33, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Semko Libadi

Hi, I believe this article should be deleted as it is a copy of Mustafa Hijri, can somebody check and do the necessary ? Thanks GrahamHardy (talk) 16:35, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

I think it is more complex than that - from what I can figure out, the Mustafa Hijri article is a copy of Semko Libadi, rather than the other way round. This was done by User:Ghassemlou110, a new contributor who has done little else: [1] Whether this is simple vandalism or something more complex will need research - from someone capable of reading the sources. AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:45, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

I believe the original Mustafa Hijri article was renamed to Semko Libadi by User:Daneshyy the rename was undone but later reapplied and not spotted... GrahamHardy (talk) 16:54, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

We need administrator to move Semko Libadi to Mustafa Hijri and delete current Mustafa Hijri article. Supdiop (talk) 16:59, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Yup. The 'Semko Libadi' article seems to date back to 2006 [2], and accordingly needs to have the 'Mustafa Hijri' name restored, since it was clearly always about him. The current Mustafa Hijri article needs deleting as a copy-paste, because we need to preserve the history of the original. This will definitely need an admin to sort out. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:05, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

User:Ghassemlou110 wanted to fix this issue, that's why he created new article. He probably didn't know about move functionality. Supdiop (talk) 17:40, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

What's the easiest way of getting this done? GrahamHardy (talk) 15:03, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Attract the attention of an admin willing to help -- which you just did. I'll see if I can fix this. DES ^(talk) 17:04, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

 Done DES ^(talk) 17:13, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks GrahamHardy (talk) 10:59, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Trouble with WikiLove template

I just tried to use Template:Give cake on somebody's talk page, but for some reason, once I clicked save, it didn't show up. The text for the template and my message are viewable in edit mode, but not the page. I feel like I may have had this problem before, but can't remember how to solve it. --Jpcase (talk) 18:24, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Did you substitute the template?--ukexpat (talk) 18:35, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

@Ukexpat: Yes, I did. If it would be helpful to see the exact text that I entered, this is the page - User talk:Spongebob tales of a sudden death --Jpcase (talk) 19:35, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

I think the problem is you didn't sign it - it needs your signature in order to add your name at the beginning - Arjayay (talk) 19:40, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

There is a stray <!-- in the previous message that is preventing its display.--ukexpat (talk) 19:43, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Should the signature go inside the brackets or out of them? I tried both ways, but neither made a difference. I also tried before and after the final two apostrophes. Any other ideas? --Jpcase (talk) 19:45, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

See my message above - the problem is not the lack of a signature.--ukexpat (talk) 19:47, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Ukexpat! Just saw your message. I'm not sure whether I took care of it exactly the right way or not, but the message is displaying now. --Jpcase (talk) 19:49, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Like--ukexpat (talk) 19:51, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Healthways

I just had a great deal of text edit with references for the Healthways page. Where did it go and how do I retrieve it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.58.208.22 (talk) 18:44, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Can you clarify your question? You have made two edits to the Healthways article, both of which removed content. Maproom (talk) 18:56, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

I tried to submit a large edit but I got a conflict edit message and was wondering if there is anything I can do to retrieve that text — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.58.208.22 (talk) 19:08, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Probably not but as it appears from your edit summary that you are editing on behalf of the subject, please don't try to. Please follow our conflict of interest guidance and use the article's talk page to suggest edits to the article.--ukexpat (talk) 19:17, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict)There was. Maybe there still is. If you click "Save page" and get an edit conflict, you can scroll to the bottom of the page, find the where you were editing (which is now mysteriously part of the source of the whole article rather than of just one section), and copy the text you had created. If that works, I would recommend pasting it into a text editor (Notepad or something like that) and save it, while you think about whether and how to use it in view of the subsequent edit. If you have done several things with your browser since the edit conflict, there is still a small chance that you can get back to what you had typed. Thanks to ukexpat for helping me to check the details! Maproom (talk) 19:25, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

You should try searching the history of your browser and go back to the page where you got the edit conflict message. Supdiop (talk) 19:37, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Why was page "Ken Keeley" deleted

I am wondering why the page "Ken Keeley was deleted by the person below.

6 December 2012 Jimfbleak (talk | contribs) deleted page Ken Keeley

Ken is a worl known 81 year old Photorealism artist, (one of the few actually listed in wikipedia under the photorealism category)

Neither of the reason codes for deleting seem to make any sense and I'd like to find out what it would take to get him listed again. I can make any necessary adjustments. I'm having big doubts about Jimfbleak, one of your (talk | contribs)

Thanks, Gary Guiseppone — Preceding unsigned comment added by NYSportt (talk • contribs) 19:17, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

If you click the links on the codes, they display what reasons they are. In this case, A7 is about lack of noteworthiness. Just being an artist is not by itself noteworthy. My cousin's an artist. My brother's an artist (of sorts). What matters is whether they've received attention from multiple and independent reliable sources. G12 means that the article plagiarized some source, in this case the subject's website. We cannot accept text from copyrighted sources -- see WP:COPYVIO. Edit: Digging around and finding the original article, it was a clear copy-and-paste job of the artist's website. There is no excuse whatsoever for doing that.

Also, assume good faith from other members. Wikipedia is a bit of a meritocracy, Jimfbleak has been around long enough to become an administrator -- it follows that he knows a bit about what he's doing. You just got here. Now, if you weren't you, who would you trust more to assess a situation -- someone who's been around for 12 years and has been proven they can be trusted with extremely powerful tools, or someone who just got here? Ian.thomson (talk) 19:27, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Lets ping Jimfbleak in case J wishes to add anything to this thread. It was two and a half years ago though. MarnetteD|Talk 19:31, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

NYSportt, Note also that WP:CSD#A7 is not about whether the subject is in fact notable but about whether the article as it then existed contained a credible claim of significance. A poor article about a very noteworthy topic might well be speedy deleted because whoever drafted it failed to make clear why the subject ought to have an article. This is why, unlike after a deletion discussion, no permission is needed to create a new article on the same topic. In this case, since the deleted page was a clear copyright infringement, it won't be restored, so if you think Ken Keeley is notable (in the special Wikipedia sense of that term) you can start a new article, written in original terms but firmly based on published reliable sources, as much as possible independent sources. I suggest starting at Draft:Ken Keeley so you won't be subject to things like A7 until you have the draft in shape, or using the Article Wizard. But do not in any case repeat the cut&paste from another web site, please. DES ^(talk) 21:11, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

MarnetteD, thanks for ping. NYSportt, Copyrighted text is not allowed in Wikipedia, as outlined in this policy. That applies even to pages created by you or your organisation, unless they state clearly and explicitly that the text is public domain. There are ways to donate copyrighted text to Wikipedia, as described here; please note that simply asserting on the talk page that you are the owner of the copyright, or you have permission to use the text, isn't sufficient.NYSportt. Please read DES's sensible suggestion above. If you want more explanation of why the article was deleted or help in rewriting it in an acceptable version, let me know on my talk page Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:23, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Deleted sections

Hi! I just want to ask why most of the sections in Pet Lovers Centre were deleted? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kacg8508 (talk • contribs) 21:48, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

@Kacg8508: See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pet Lovers Centre. Basically, the way it was written was overly promotional, like an advertisement. Someone nominated it for deletion, and the overly promotional parts were removed so that the article could be saved. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 21:56, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

@ONUnicorn: Thank you for your reply. I just have another question regarding this. Do you think it would be possible to rewrite and resubmit those deleted sections? ~ Kacg8508^{(Talk|Contribs)} 01:20, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Fonzi Thornton

Reference help requested. What can be done tofix this error please ? Thanks, Professormouse (talk) 22:23, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Fonzi Thornton (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

The error was fixed on 6 July. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:46, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Problem with new mobile interface

On my Android device, when I tap the number of a footnote, I can no longer continue to scroll through the page until I tap "X" to close the footnote. It used to be much easier, when scrolling through the page would simply close the footnote automatically. And the new design with the black background looks terrible. This is a real problem. Who should I write to who can do anything about it?

Coconutporkpie (talk) 22:23, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

@Coconutporkpie: You might try asking at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical).--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:28, 10 July 2015 (UTC)