Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2015 November 25

Welcome to the Wikipedia Help Desk Archives
The page you are currently viewing is an archive page. While you can leave answers for any questions shown below, please ask new questions on one of the current Help Desk pages.

November 25

Referencing errors on Library

Reference help requested. Hello. Can you tell me what other information is needed in this citation. The item in question is the fact that the New York Public Library Main Branch is a research library. The source for that information is the cited URL on the New York Public Library website, www.nypl.org/help/about-nypl which indicates that it is a research library. It's just one web page and there is no more detail to include in the reference. Please advise what I should do in this situation. I have been trying to enter this citation for days and have been doing it incorrectly, at least now I've done it correctly as far as providing the URL, but I don't see what other information I can add to fulfill the needs of the correct format, there is no other information to include. If you wouldn't mind, could you look at that page on the New York Public Library website and tell me if there is something I left out that I should have included in the reference. Thanks. lakelandcribLakelandcrib (talk) 04:01, 25 November 2015 (UTC) Thanks, Lakelandcrib (talk) 04:01, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

The error message after your edit said "Check |url= scheme (help). Missing or empty |title= (help)", and in each case the word "help" was in blue to indicate that it was a wikilink to a page with specific help for the relevant problem. If you follow those links, to Help:CS1 errors#bad url and to Help:CS1 errors#citation missing title, you'll see the explanations. --David Biddulph (talk) 06:43, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Blacklisted due to the fact a page of a few lines sounds like an advert! Are your rules different based on how much money has been contributed?

'Randmint and R.M.R

Please could you advise as a colleague has tried to list 2 pages and he has been blacklisted or banned even his IP address has been blocked. I have the copy of the text he wrote and everything is true.

If it sounded like an advert why not ask for it to be changed. Not all people including myself are writers. I thought this platform was a joint effort.

I thought this platform represents more than ones level or style of writing. 'Randmint' and their brand 'R.M.R'

are offering a great service to individuals who would like to sell their privately owned gold bullion coins’ jewelry privately without the high cost charged by dealers and they do this at no cost. They have registered both Randmint and R.M.R as trademarks

They have secured domains and are listed on all social media platform but are not allowed on wiki?

It makes me wonder why other companies like GoPro; their page looks like an advert out of a glossy magazine! is allowed to be published. Please let us know if Go Pro has given any donations and how much?

Are your rules different based on how much money has been contributed.

There was no reason to blacklist a user or member due to the fact a machine thought the few lines describing the business was an advert.

Please advise if he makes a contribution will you allow the listing? Or is this only for companies like Apple and Go Pro. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RMRGB (talk • contribs) 06:16, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a social network. We are not for advertising either. We have specific notability guidelines regarding companies and it does not matter one bit whether they have donated money to the Foundation or not. See general guidelines for all articles as well. Notability requires that the company have been talked about in multiple independent reliable sources such as newspapers, magazines, or the media. Anyone can get a domain, anyone can get on social media. That is not what Wikipedia is for and the repeated addition of this material is not acceptable. If you want to continue to try to make an article about the company please read your first article and use the article wizard to create a draft that can be reviewed by another editor to make sure it complies with our guidelines. --Stabila711 (talk) 06:25, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

@RMRGB: I have a feeling that it would be appropriate for you to read through our conflict of interest policy -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 08:21, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Arts: Help needed

I am translating a German arts/literature article into English. I need assistance with a few concrete questions (differences in editing [How do I configure boxes which point to an outside-of-WP-photography?], legal questions whether book covers can bes shown etc.). I have visited the Wikiproject Arts, but there is not much happening. ! Bikkit ! (talk) 08:34, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

What are your specific questions? -- Paulscrawl (talk) 09:05, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

to display on the page, the image must either be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons (ONLY if it is appropriately free use licensed) or to Wikipedia (if it can meet our WP:FAIRUSE criteria)

see the tutorial Wikipedia:Uploading images. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 09:09, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

If you want other editors to help you convert User:!_Bikkit_!/DalisMustache into an acceptable article, you could move it from your user space to a draft, so that they can edit it without invading your personal space. (If you do, I will start by removing the IPA that shows how to pronounce it in English – there's no need for that in English Wikipedia.) Maproom (talk) 09:45, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

People can't edit it there where it is? I don't mind.

First question is: The book cover can be found on the web. In the de-WP it can not be displayed directly, but I noticed, that in the en-WP book covers (movie posters, ...) are often shown. So: Is there a restriction for the Dali book cover? (Halsman's children are rather tight on copyrights.).

Please leave the IPA - see Moustache. The French version has the English title and "mustache" can in French also be pronounced as the French "moustache" so I want to make it very clear, that the title IS pronounced in A.E.

Where can I find the box by which I can show "external" photos? ! Bikkit ! (talk) 10:30, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

So far as I know English Wikipedia does not link to outside-of-WP-images. Instead non-free images are uploaded to English Wikipedia. (However the use of non-free images must comply with the highly restrictive Wikipedia: Non-free content criteria.) One area where non-free images can generally be used is one book cover in the infobox of the article on the book. See File:Rogue Lawyer by John Grisham cover.jpg as an example of how a book cover was uploaded and Rogue Lawyer as an example of how it is used. —teb728 t c 10:43, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

But note that one of the conditions in WP:NFCC is that the image must be used in only main-space articles (and must be used in at least one). So while the article is in user or draft space, a non-free image may not be used in it, and so may not be uploaded. Once the article is accepted and moved to main space then (assuming the rest of the conditions in WP:NFCC are met) the image may be uploaded to en.wikipedia, and used in the article. --ColinFine (talk) 13:48, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

This is too complicated for me. I will remove the "boxes" and make references with links. When the article is published, others can fit files in, if it should be possible. Thanks for comments! Bikkit ! (talk) 15:26, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error references duplicate key

I don't understand the cite ref error flagged up on this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Young_%28surgeon%29 Article name George Young (surgeon) The cited reference is intended to be the same in each case. Can you help?Papamac (talk) 09:40, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

I've fixed it for you. Once you have created a named reference, as you did, there's no need to create it again, indeed this will cause an error. The second time, all you need to do is use it, like this: <ref name="Stewart" />. Maproom (talk) 09:51, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Institut Eurécom

Hello We would like to change the name of our School "Institut Eurécom" in "EURECOM" in different languages https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institut_Eur%C3%A9com + https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institut_Eur%C3%A9com + https://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institut_Eur%C3%A9com

How can I do this ?, I did not manage to do this. Best regards

Gwenaelle COMTE Documentaliste - Chargée de Communication Numérique 04 93 00 81 17 Campus SophiaTech 450 Route des Chappes - CS 50193 06410 Biot - Sophia Antipolis http://www.eurecom.fr https://twitter.com/GwenComte — Preceding unsigned comment added by DOCEURECOM (talk • contribs) 09:52, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

@DOCEURECOM:To rename the articles you need to Wikipedia:Move a page separately on each project. And in order to move them you need to be autoconfirmed, which you will be when you have five more edits. Note that since you work for the institute, please read Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. —teb728 t c 11:00, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

@DOCEURECOM: I have moved the English article Institut Eurécom to Eurecom per the third rule at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Trademarks#General rules. Wikipedia languages can have different policies and I don't know the policies of the other languages. The current all caps EUROCOM in the article text was added by User:EURECOM communication who must also have a conflict of interest. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:36, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

David Bret Wikipedia

I am perturbed by the comments posted on my Wikipedia and Talk pages by Monochrome Monitor. I have screenshotted these from the first one and feel that I had no option but to take option. This person writes on Talk (before she changed it: I have screenshots should you need them) that I cannot take action against her because she has clinical depression. She adds a link to a Blog which accuses me of criminal activities, including sex crimes. She confesses that she had only just become aware of my work, yet she advises that it should be boycotted. The responses she receives are no less hysterical than her own postings, and the wording of her original much longer posting suggests someone who has been harassing me for some time. She changes the content daily. As a result of these very lengthy comments I have lost newspaper columns, while she is quite attacking someone for the sake of it. While I accept constructive criticism, linking me to Blogs which accuse me of crime is not the way to go about it. A while ago, someone--I suspect it was her--petitioned Wikipedia to shut my page down, and she is doing so again. You kindly kept my page: I am a major biographer, and entitled to be seen, but not to behounded like this. Why should it matter to her? David Bret (biographer) (talk) 11:22, 25 November 2015 (UTC) David Bret

It was not she who proposed the article for deletion. You can see here that it was a user named "ferret". Maproom (talk) 12:26, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

@David Bret (biographer): for reference, your "entitlements" at Wikipedia are quite limited. IF we determine by our processes that there should be an article about you (having an article is not something anyone is "entitled" to), you are "entitled" that it only contains content that is verifiable as having been previously published in a reliable source and that the content appropriately and proportionately represents what Wikipedia editors determine the views of the content that has been printed about you. Going around claiming "entitlements" that you are not "entitled" to is a great way to piss off editors who are in control of the content. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 13:51, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Uploading Images

Hi there,

Every time I try to upload an image for my infobox I get the message "please choose another description" and cannot proceed further.

Please can you advise what might be happening here?

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by RedbudMusic (talk • contribs) 17:09, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Where have you been trying to upload it to? Wikimedia Commons? en:Wikipedia? Somewhere else? Maproom (talk) 22:39, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Page deletion

I was asked to edit my company (MHM Services, Inc.) page, which I did. I got a message that some Bot thing deleted my edits, then the page was deleted by some weirdo. The edits I made were all by request of my company. How do I get the page back up with the edits that I made? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdonelson12 (talk • contribs) 18:44, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

There was a discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/MHM Services about whether the article met Wikipedia's standards for inclusion. In order for a company to be included in Wikipedia, it must meet our standards of "notability", which has a slightly different meaning on Wikipedia than in the real world. The general notability standard can be found here, and a specific one for companies can be found here. Both of them boil down to a requirement that the article on the company must demonstrate that multiple reliable sources which are independent of the company have published non-trivial discussions of the company. It was determined in that discussion that such sources didn't appear to exist, so the article was deleted.

That said, if such sources do exist, a new article could be written citing them. However, you should not be the one to write it because you have a conflict of interest. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 19:06, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Jdonelson12 Part of the problem was that you were editing at the request of your employer. That means that you were acting as a paid editor, and must make a Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure according to this site's Terms of Service and certain legal requirements. However MHM Services was deleted after discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/MHM Services. The prime reason aas the failure to cite sufficient independent published reliable sources to establish its notability according to the guideline on notability of companies. Under those circumstances, that page won't be restored. If you, or better someone else, were to use the article wizard to create a draft, and if that draft were to clearly demonstrate the notability of the subject, then and only then would it be moved back to the main article space. If you want to go ahead with this, read our guideline on conflict of interest and make the required paid editor disclosure first. DES ^(talk) 19:09, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Jdonelson12, I'm afraid you have a basic misunderstanding about what Wikipedia is (as many people have). It is an encyclopaedia, which summarises what independent published reliable sources have said about subjects. It has almost no interest in what a subject (whether a company, a person, or anything else) wishes to say about itself, and subjects have no control whatever over articles about them, and are strongly discouraged from editing such articles. Please see the links in the answers above, for more information. --ColinFine (talk) 19:18, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

need help with problematic editor

[1] this editor has had a few unwelcomed/personal attacks prior to this one, I don't want to take him to ANI, what should I do?( I have more diffs on him)--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 21:33, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

@Ozzie10aaaa: could you provide some more diffs? The edit you've linked to shows some slightly uncivil behavior, but nothing overly actionable -- samtar ^whisper 21:36, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

[2] heres another, there is another one also--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 21:49, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

If those two are the worst examples you can find, I don't think you've much of a case. Maproom (talk) 22:31, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

ok (no ANI)...in terms of.WP CIVIL, what should I do, leave a message on their talk page?--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 22:35, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Disagreeing with you or asking you not do something is not an attack. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 22:38, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

agreed , however as [3] indicated it shows WP CIVIL ?--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 22:42, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Not particularly, no. If an editor finds your comments unhelpful or excessive, they can state that. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 22:51, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

ok, --Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 22:54, 25 November 2015 (UTC)