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November 24[edit]

Page numbers in references[edit]

An edit has recently been made to a page on my watchlist changing the style of page number references. Where previously they read (for example) "pp. 172-181" they have now been changed to "pp. 172-81". I seem to recall doing something similar years ago and being dragged over the coals for it for breaching approved practices but now I've searched in Wikipedia:Manual of Style, Wikipedia:Citing sources and Help:Footnotes and can't see any mention of it. So is there indeed a policy proscribing or even discouraging this? If not did there used to be one or was I called out unjustly? Essentially I want something to put in the edit summary if I make this fairly technical edit whereas if I don't have to I'll happily not bother. Keresaspa (talk) 02:12, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keresaspa, I think that using all three digits is a bit clearer, but I don't know of any policy or guideline against the "pp. 172-81" format. The examples at Help:Citation_Style_1#Pages include "pages=236–239" and "pages=461,466–467". It also advises "Separate page ranges with an en dash" but many people don't do that. In any case WP:CITEVAR ought to be a good reason not to "drag anyone over the coals" for a fairly minor formatting issue. I would, however, advise the person who made the change that, as per WP:CITEVAR, edits to change from one valid citation style to another should not be made unless consensus for the change is obtained first, usually in a discussion at the article talk page. DES (talk) 17:34, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
OK, thank you. Keresaspa (talk) 01:45, 25 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Help creating Wikipedia pages.[edit]

Hi, I am a person who frequently makes contributions to Wikipedia. I am not totally sure how to format articles, add images, and how to post articles. Can anyone out there who has made Wikipedia articles help me with this process. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidgoodheart (talk • contribs)

Hello @Davidgoodheart: - I would recommend taking The Wikipedia Adventure to "learn to edit in about an hour". -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 04:26, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
hello, I would like to suggest the creation of a program that would collect all photos from an article in all languages (not showing the same photos twice). This way when writing an article, all photos selected in the other langauges will be available. The same is valid for any curious reader. Usually people will not look into languages they dont know, especially if the list of languages is long. A link to the program in the menu on the left will make it easy to access. This prog is not the same as wikicommons because here the pertinence to the article is established, also photos may not appear in the corresponding english category. Thank you. Davidgoodheart Hexagone59 (talk) 11:40, 25 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

How to cite sources correctly[edit]

Hi. My question is about citations. I made an edit on the page for Library, moving two libraries that were listed as Reference Libraries to Research Libraries, and added a third Research Library. I put the sources in Talk. The edit was accepted but the new version said "Citation needed" at the end of the sentence. I went back in and after each library name I put in the source with <ref ref> around it. One of the other contributors removed those citations and told me I should look at the How to Cite page. I'd already looked at it which is why I used the <ref ref> format. I'm not at all sure what I should have done instead. The How to Cite page was a little too advanced for me, I need explicit direction on what to do since I'm new to this and it's not clear to me what the correct thing would be. Thanks. lakelandcrib 11/23/15 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lakelandcrib (talk • contribs) 05:39, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Lakelandcrib: At its simplest, the syntax for a reference footnote is <ref>Your source goes here</ref> - that's <ref> to start, then the description and/or URL of the source, then </ref> to finish. This is described at Help:Referencing for beginners#Manual referencing. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:51, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. That is what I did. After each name of the library I used <ref ref>. But another contributor took them out. lakelandcrib~~~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lakelandcrib (talk • contribs) 13:23, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have added nowiki tags, as your unterminated ref tags broke the display of this and subsequent sections. David Biddulph (talk) 13:27, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Your attempt was removed because you had formatted the references incorrectly, as explained above. You had <ref Reference content ref>, whereas it should be <ref>Reference content</ref>. Please read WP:Referencing for beginners, as advised above. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:34, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Coastal fort[edit]

Hi!

I was creating a wiki article of a coastal fort in northern Norway (Spåkenes coastal fort). That page turned out ok, but when I created the norwegian translation of it (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spåkenes_kystfort?veswitched=1), I realised only once I had already published it, that it was in the english Wiki en.wikipedia.org when it should have been in the norwegian one no.wikipedia.org. Can this be changed (just simply change the url) or can the already made page be deleted and I’ll just re-do it in the right norwegian Wiki?

Thank you for your help!

Anna — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mainostoimisto Seven-1 (talk • contribs) 07:13, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Content from one language Wikipedia cannot easily be moved to another. The incorrect page has already been deleted from the English-language Wikipedia; go ahead and recreate it in the Norwegian-language Wikipedia. Do you have a copy of your translated version? If not, post again here and an admin can recover it for you. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:55, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia Author Contact[edit]

Can users with questions or suggestions contact the authors of articles, either directly or indirectly? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.114.178.226 (talk) 10:28, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The particular author of article content has no particular say or individual editorial control over an article and its future improvement - users with suggestions just make the improvements themselves, or make a suggestion on the article talk page.
But if you have specific questions about editing that a specific editor did, you can contact them on their talk page and somepeople have e-mail enabled so you can try that as well. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 11:02, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict)Hello, IP user. The concept of the "author of an article" is not well defined on Wikipedia. Some articles are mostly the work of one person; some have many contributors. If you look at the "History" tab of an article, you can see all the changes. Often there are one or two names which occur a lot in the history, and you may regard them as the "authors" of the article. In that case, you can communicate with them by starting a new topic on their user talk pages (there's a "Talk" link by each name). Alternatively, you may start a new section on the article's talk page (the tab labelled "Talk" or "Discussion" at the top of the page): it is often the case that people who have contributed to a page will have it on their Watch lists, so an addition to the talk page will get flagged to them. --ColinFine (talk) 11:08, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

African American Managers[edit]

You do not list Maury Wills — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:100E:B02E:9F73:B451:EB2E:8898:3DB2 (talk) 15:25, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That's because you didn't add him to the list. --Jayron32 15:28, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

table bottom border[edit]

Why is the bottom border not visible at 2015–16_Big_Ten_Conference_men's_basketball_season#Player_of_the_week?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:48, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There was a wrong rowspan. I have removed it.[1] PrimeHunter (talk) 16:29, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:33, 25 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Digital Scriptorium[edit]

I have edited the article entitle "Digital Scriptorium" to remove any self-promotional content. Could someone please take down the notice that flags it as an advertisement? DS is a non-profit organization of libraries.

Thanks, St. Brigit — Preceding unsigned comment added by St. Brigit (talk • contribs) 17:47, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • I am not sure this is the right place for such request, but nevertheless, the old adv. tag (December 2013) is quite outdated after the many changes to the article that specifically addressed it, and because there is no discussion in the talk page to contradict that it is not. Tag is now removed. Happy editing! MarkYabloko 10:01, 25 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

New Article suggestion[edit]

I want an article created on The Reverend and Dr. Robert Allen LaVey Reynolds. There is a wealth of information online about this individual but I cannot write it myself. I would like to have this considered as a first assignment for someone on their first article if nothing else. The Reverend and Dr. Robert Allen LaVey Reynolds has demonstrated popular growth as a rising celebrity and this will benefit the continuing Reynoldsianism Movement of which It(as is preferred) is the public figure of.

Rev. Reynolds — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rev. Reynolds (talk • contribs) 17:57, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You say "There is a wealth of information online about this individual", but you fail to cite any. Please be aware that Wikipedia uses only reliable published independent sources, and I have failed to find anything online which would qualify. I found plenty of sites selling his books, but nothing as useful as a review of one of his books. Unless there is some usable information somewhere, no-one will be able to create an article. Maproom (talk) 19:13, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
User:Maproom - You are referring to the proposed subject of the article in the third person ("his books"). The second person is in order. That is why he can't write the article about "this individual" (himself). Robert McClenon (talk) 19:27, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
He referred to himself in the third person, and it seemed polite to reciprocate. I should thank him for not trying to write about himself. Maproom (talk) 19:31, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The Reynoldsianism movement will have to do its rising on its own. Wikipedia is not a promotional platform. Once it has risen and people are writing about it, then we want to cover it. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 20:00, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
See also WP:UPANDCOMING for information on "up-and-coming" topics. --Orange Mike | Talk 00:32, 25 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Contributions for an IP6 range[edit]

Is there a way to find all the contributions for IPs within a certain range of IPv6 addresses? Specifically, I would like to find other contributions of an IP-hopping editor that has used:

ChemNerd (talk) 18:54, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Check Help:User contributions#Using item 2 with regards to wildcards. If the addresses will convert to IPv4, will possibly make the work easier. Also you may want to review WP:SOCK for tips on how to follow-up. RegistryKey(RegEdit) 05:16, 25 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the reply, but unfortunately I don't follow what you are suggesting. I don't know how to convert IPv6 to IPv4. And putting wildcards in the search field for user contributions doesn't seem to work. Using "2001:62a:4:*" just returns "User account "2001:62a:4:*" is not registered." Maybe it is worth having an SPI just to bring my concerns to a wider audience of experienced users. ChemNerd (talk) 13:35, 25 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@ChemNerd: if neede, you can contact technical Wikipedia people here. --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 09:53, 26 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Picture help[edit]

Can someone help with the picture being discussed here? Thank you sincerely. Talk:Grace Phipps

199.102.168.8 (talk) 22:52, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I responded on the talk page as well but the copyright for that file is not appropriate for our use. See this for more information on which copyrights from flickr we can use. --Stabila711 (talk) 23:01, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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