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Template:Age[edit]

How does Template:Age work? its my understanding that upon saving a page all templates\expression\etc are parsed and fixed. So shouldn't pages that use this template get out of date eventually? --84.229.3.50 (talk) 00:01, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

if subst: is used for the template then it is evaluated and the result saved. Otherwise, it is evaluated each time the page is prepared for display. RJFJR (talk) 00:05, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
See mw:Help:Magic words § Variables. The {{CURRENTDAY}}, etc, variables will be fixed at the point the page was last parsed and cached (which occurs more frequently than on saving). In theory, the cached copy could be set to expire when those variables will next change, but that expiry could only really be a soft expiry to place the page back onto the job queue, as it would be horrendous for performance for all pages to fully expire at every midnight (for example). I'm honestly not certain just how smart MediaWiki is about those variables, but they certainly can be out of date in viewed pages. They are not really ever "fixed" (unless their value is subst into the page source), as the pages are re-parsed and the cache updated for many different reasons. Murph9000 (talk) 00:16, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) I'm not sure what you mean by "parsed and fixed" but here are more details. If you write {{Age|1996|9|27}} in a page then that text is kept in the wikitext of the page and can be seen when you click edit. When the article is rendered for reading by our software, the template computes the current age and only this number is placed in the html version served to readers. It will automatically update once a year. The code produces "27" which currently says "19" but will say "20" tomorrow (Wikipedia uses UTC). If you use subst: then the result of evaluating (or in some cases partially evaluating) a template is stored in the wikitext. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:19, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Merge of Infobox academic and Infobox scientist[edit]

I have a question about a wikipedia page (link: Kewal Krishan (forensic anthropologist)) I created. There is a message being displayed which says : The template Infobox scientist is being considered for merging

I wanted to know, what does it mean? N.dehal (talk) 04:36, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@N.dehal: It's not really anything to worry about. There's a discussion open at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2016 September 21 § Template:Infobox academic about merging it with Template:Infobox academic. If a decision is made to merge them, someone will make any changes needed to your article. It's just a standard notice to alert people using the template to the discussion, so that they can contribute to that discussion. Personally, I'm not in favour of showing those notices on infoboxes in articles, only on the template's page. Just using the template doesn't mean you need to or should say anything in that discussion, it's mostly for those with interest in developing and maintaining the templates. Murph9000 (talk) 04:54, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Help with my first article[edit]

Hi, I have just posted my first article. I watched many tutorials but still don't get how to work with the citations. Could someone please help me with the article so that it can be published?

The Article name is: Dov Glickman

My name is: Salome Levine — Preceding unsigned comment added by SalomeLevine (talk • contribs) 13:05, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Many of the errors have been fixed by PrimeHunter. Check the revision history to see what they have done. When it comes to referencing, please see WP:REFB for more information. Please sign your posts by typing four tildes (~~~~). Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 13:31, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
SalomeLevine: when you cite a book, you should cite the book itself, not a mention of it somewhere. You should not cite IMDB, it is not a reliable source, the people it lists can write whatever they like about themselves there. Maproom (talk) 13:47, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi[edit]

I would like to know that a person is who is popular among business people but while creating an page are deleting the page may i known the lreason — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.174.168.138 (talk) 14:04, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Which page? RJFJR (talk) 14:09, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, IP user. We can't tell definitely unless you tell us which page; but the answer is almost certainly to do with notability, a word which has a special meaning in Wikipedia: it is not about popularity (or fame, or importance, or influence, or many other things you might think of): it is solely to do with how much material has been published about the subject by people who have no connection with the subject (nothing that they or their associates have published has any bearing on this). Please read the link I gave in the previous sentence, and you might find your first article helpful as well. --ColinFine (talk) 17:32, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Please see Why was my page deleted? The most common reasons are:

To find the specific reason a particular page was deleted:

  1. Go to the Deletion Log
  2. Type the page title in the case-sensitive search field
  3. The date, time and reason for deletion will be displayed

Murph9000 (talk) 18:22, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Narrative psychology[edit]

Since you edited out references to and refuse to return this page to it's original content and structure as was appreciated by people who have studied the exact (degreed professionals) science of Narrative Psychology. I will refer to this definition as -what people do instead of caring. Please replace this mess. Or Give John McKinnon his own Narrative Psychology page as he was the first person to achieve a SCIENCE degree (USA -fully accredited) in Narrative Psychology.. Thank you.

((If John McKinnon's contribution to the creation of this page and the structure of the Narrative Psychology page, including the essence of the argument that Narrative Psychology deserves recognition, then no names of supposed contributors regarding the actual definition of Narrative Psychology, should be cited or attributed to or the coming close to the real and accredited definition. Please return the definition to the original form. If not, then I will request that my words and structure to be removed, in which case, this page will be reduced to a confusing and ill informed bulk of foolish efforts to define Narrative Psychology. My independent degree is that of the SCIENCE of Narrative Psychology, not an embarrassing half baked citations and egotistically sublime statements based on what can only be defined as the mess it has turned into. Again, please return the original definition of Narrative Psychology. As the "stance" of the silly idea that it is a "stance" at all is evidence of my argument. Those of us who have degrees in the science of Narrative Psychology are no longer going to refer people to this page as an example of the integrity of the definition of Narrative Psychology deserves... the original reason this page was created by John McKinnon.

sincerely,

John McKinnon Narrative Psychologist Degree in the SCIENCE of Narrative Psychology from the University of Wisconsin (2001))) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.13.115.228 (talk) 17:55, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This seems to be related to Narrative psychology. †Dismas†|(talk) 18:14, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The IP needs to remember that he is not entitled to "request that (his) words and structure to be removed", as for each edit that he made he agreed to the Terms of Use and "irrevocably agree(d) to release (his) contribution under the CC BY-SA 3.0 License and the GFDL." --David Biddulph (talk) 18:56, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, IP user (John McKinnon?). You seem to be having a content dispute about the article: Wikipedia has a Dispute resolution procedure, which I urge you to follow. Please be aware that no contributor to Wikipedia has a privileged position with respect to any article; but that on the contrary, people who have a close connection with the subject of an article may have a conflict of interest which makes it hard for them to write about it in a suitably neutral manner, and so they are strongly discouraged from writing or editing such an article directly. Please be aware also that as a rule Wikipedia articles should be based close to 100% on reliable published sources independent of the subject of the article. --ColinFine (talk) 22:45, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

How can I edit the mobile-specific text of an article?[edit]

I have the Wikipedia app on my iPhone. When I launch that app and display Wikipedia's "The Mosquito Coast" article, it says "Novel by Paul Theroux" just below the title of the article. That's wrong; the article is about the film, not the novel. But when I take the article into edit mode to correct the problem (either on my iPhone or on my home PC), I can't find the incorrect code. Where is the incorrect code, and how can this kind of error be corrected? Mksword (talk) 19:16, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Mksword: The text appearing there is the short description provided for the article on Wikidata. To change it, click Wikidata item in the tools section, then click the first edit link at the top of the Wikidata page to modify the description. Pppery 19:24, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
There are two separate Wikidata entries, one that is connected to the film and the description is for the novel, and the other that is connected to the novel but doesn't specifically say film or novel. I would recomment, *AGAINST* Mksword trying to fix that, but hopefully someone who knows wikidata well will do that.Naraht (talk) 19:26, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) :The app takes information from Wikidata:Q1479291, where it was called a novel. I fixed this issue. Ruslik_Zero 19:29, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, everybody! Mksword (talk) 19:38, 27 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Page Creation[edit]

Hi,

I made 2 pages earlier:

They were deleted for promotion and copyright reasons? I would like help reissuing both pages. I am a research assistant working for the lab and was asked to create the wiki pages using the content from the play2prevent.org site (also created by the lab). Can you send me instructions of how I can proceed to get both pages back up?

Kkug900 (talk) 22:41, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Kkug900. I'm afraid you have been given an extremely difficult task. It is not your business or your lab's to write Wikipedia articles on those subjects: you are specifically discouraged from working on them because of your conflict of interest. If we have an article on either of your sites it will be a neutrally written article based almost entirely on reliable published sources completely independent of your lab: Wikipedia has essentially no interest in what anybody or any organisation says about themselves. It is only interested in what people wholly independent of a subject have published about the subject - and if there is little such independent material published about a subject, then the subject is not notable in Wikipedia's special sense of the word, and no article about the subject, however written, will be accepted.
As I say, you are strongly discouraged from writing about your employer's sites, but if you find sufficient independent sources that you think the sites pass the criteria of notability, you are permitted to try. I recommend you read Your first article carefully, and use the article wizard to create a draft, which you can submit for review when you think it is ready. If, as I assume, yours is a paid position, then you must make a declaration according to WP:PAID. Alternatively you could decide not to try creating the articles, and ask if somebody else will do so, at Requested articles: there is, though, quite a backlog there.
Finally, you and your employers need to be aware that if we do eventually have an article about your site, you will have no control over the content. You will be be welcome to make suggestions and requests, but the Wikipedia consensus will decide what is appropriate to go in the article, based primarily on what has been independently published about the sites (whether it is favourable or not). --ColinFine (talk) 22:59, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Maine Superior Court justices[edit]

I wanted to add an entry to a table (of Maine Superior Court justices), but I didn't see how to add a new row. I typed in the information below the table, thinking the row-creation might be an automatic process or that the formatting might be done by the page admin, but apparently that is not the way it works. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LoveinMaine (talk • contribs) 22:50, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

 Done @LoveinMaine: Please do check my work, that the result looks good to you. You were most of the way there, just needed a little bit of markup. See Help:Table for the documentation. Murph9000 (talk) 23:05, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
And I was doing the same thing at the same time as Murph9000. I've expanded the reference citation beyond the bare url which you gave. These were the changes which we made. --David Biddulph (talk) 23:10, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Citing a British Library Catalogue entry[edit]

A few weeks ago I added a link to Elspeth Howe, Baroness Howe of Idlicote, linking to the summary of an sound recording in the British Library Sound and Moving Image Catalogue. The link I added no longer works; I think the webpage was dynamically generated for my search. How can I get a static link?

I got to the page like this:

  • Go to http://cadensa.bl.uk/ (this redirects to a search page)
  • Search for Elspeth Howe
  • Click on the Details button next to "Elspeth Howe interviewed by Margaret Faull"

This is the page I want. However, if I paste the URL into a different browser I get "Invalid or missing multifunction form CGI type", which indicates that the URL is not reusable. Starting the search at http://explore.bl.uk/ gives a similar problem.

How can I cite this material? Where is the best place to ask this? Verbcatcher (talk) 22:57, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Verbcatcher. This is a good place to ask this. The answer is that a citation should have the information that would allow a reader in principle to obtain the resource: but, except perhaps in the case of a website, a URL is a convenient shortcut, not the core of the citation. I suggest you use Template:Cite AV Media, filling in as many of the fields as you can from the BL cataloguing page, but probably not including the URL= parameter, since that does not appear to work outside the BL website. --ColinFine (talk) 23:08, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. As it was in the External links section it makes no sense to give a reference without a URL, so I have deleted it. Verbcatcher (talk) 23:32, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Lon & Derrek Edit[edit]

I added some information then received this note.

‪Materialscientist‬ left a message on your talk page in "‪Recent edit to Lon & Derrek Van Eaton‬". Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. I noticed that you made a change to an article, Lon & Derrek Van Eaton, but you didn't provide a reliable source.... View message ‪Materialscientist‬ View changes

I am LKon Van Eaton and the information I added was for the time period beyond the 1980's paragraph the articles ends with. It was information from the www.imagineabetter world.com website.

How do I reference? Where is the added test?

Thank you, Lon — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pushalone (talk • contribs) 23:56, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The information you added is not in the encyclopedic tone. You have to cite reliable source. www.imagineabetterworld.com is not a reliable source. Your text is saved in the history. You should not edit articles related to you. However, you can request edits on talk page but you have to provide reliable sources. Fuortu (talk) 00:16, 27 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) In the message on your user talk page you were given a link to Help:Referencing for beginners, but if you are saying that the only reference is from your own company's website, this does not satisfy the requirement for published reliable sources independent of the subject of the article. You also ought to read the guidance on conflict of interest. --David Biddulph (talk) 00:22, 27 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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