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August 17

Lupton family

Ref number 106 has been altered (vandalised?) by another editor and is now an incorrect quote. I mucked up trying to revert this person's edit. The line in the text and the quote in the ref are now all wrong - with an accent in the line. Also, this editor needs to understand that a person's FULL TITLE should be used initially - and then their surname only. Please advise the editor called "esmgee". Thanks for your help with ref 106. Srbernadette (talk) 01:24, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

The edits to the quotation in that reference were made by you. The words in the quote before your edit were direct quotes from the reference document, whereas the wording you added was not in the reference document. You must NOT include as a "quote" wording which is not in the document being used as a reference. I have therefore reverted your changes.

You have used the word "vandalised" in regard to the edits by User:Esemgee. You need to read, very carefully, Wikipedia's definition at WP:Vandalism. Esemgeee is making good-faith efforts to improve the article, and in no way can that be regarded as vandalism. If your own edits continue to be dispruptive they are liable to be reverted. --David Biddulph (talk) 01:43, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

My main concern RE vandalism was when editor "Esmgee" removed - without a decent explanation - a photo of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge from the Olive Middleton section on this page. The records show that editor KeithD replaced the photo. We both were certain that Catherine's descent from Olive Middleton (she is Olive's great granddaughter) was significant and relevant to this section of the article. The photo remains today - but there are concerns that at any given moment the editor Esemgee will remove it again, citing the reason as "namedropping" et al. I have often chosen to give the correct title of a member of the nobility when the person is first referenced - subsequently only using their surname. Esemgee consistently states that they consider this "namedropping", only using their christian and surnames throughout the article. Any suggestions to guide us? Thanks for your continued help and we will keep working together. Srbernadette (talk) 04:45, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Copyright License

Hello, I have signed copyright license document from the creator that I would like to use for an article. Where do I file it or upload it? What's the process... — Preceding unsigned comment added by EarlMcAlpine (talk • contribs) 01:32, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello, EarlMcAlpine. The instructions that the copyright holder needs to follow are at donating copyright materials. What kind of material are you intending to upload? If it is an image, that is fine; if you are talking about uploading text, it is rare that that is appropriate, as text created for other purposes is rarely sufficiently neutral to be used in a Wikipedia article, other than short cited quotes. --ColinFine (talk) 09:49, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

A question regarding use of titles of nobility

I have re-read this page - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(royalty_and_nobility)#British_nobility

If, for example, the text says that "Susan Smith married John Jones" and John Jones some time later became John Jones, 2nd Baron London (and has a Wikipedia page) shouldn't the text put John Jones, later 2nd Baron London with a link to the page?

OR

Do we put that "Susan Smith married John Jones, 2nd Baron London".

I must add that EVERY TIME I put in a person's title, one editor will tell me I am "name dropping". Please advise.

We understand that after mentioning the full title in the first instance, the rest of the text only refers to the person with their surname.

Thanks Srbernadette (talk) 02:38, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

While (in my personal opinion), linking to 2nd Baron London seems appropriate (and no, you don't need to mention either the full title or give the link after the first instance of mentioning and linking the same), these discussions are best to be held on the talk page of any particular article you are referring to. Thanks. Lourdes 10:39, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Submit

There used to be a button in my sandbox to request a review for article creation. I'm not done working on it, so I'm not ready for it to be reviewed yet, but I want the button to be there when I do need it. Ramesty (talk) 03:27, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

You removed it in this edit, which I have now reverted. --David Biddulph (talk) 03:36, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Is it supposed to say resubmit though? Ramesty (talk) 03:52, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

It does. On the blue button in the bottom left-hand corner of the pink box at the top of the page. --David Biddulph (talk) 03:58, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

hi

how to create Wikipedia page for our company? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fairwealth123 (talk • contribs) 12:48, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

@Fairwealth123: You don't. Wikipedia is not a place for advertising or promotion, we discourage users from writing about subjects they have a conflict of interest with, we discourage paid editing, and we do not allow users to share accounts. Ian.thomson (talk) 13:54, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Security problem

Someone is repeatedly trying to reset the password to my account that isn't me. Is there any way that Wikipedia can investigate or block this behavior?

Driinternational (talk) 14:23, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Help - in a discussion that is partly deleted

I have been trying to rescue the article at this talk page: Dong Sheng, it is unclear what is going on. There appear to be several editors with conflict of interest who are trying to create this article to match something they want. I am trying to rewrite it to fit in with Wikipedia style. however most of the article history is deleted and i have no idea what the original article said. could someone who can see deleted stuff take a look and advise? A Guy into Books (talk) 14:34, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

There are three URLs in the edit history. The editor that hid the text listed the URLs that it had been copied from. - X201 (talk) 14:48, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Much of the content of the article was removed (and redacted) for copyright reasons, leaving the article in an unsatisfactory state. This has been remarked on in the talk page, without prompting anyone except you to improve it. I see no evidence that anyone is "trying to create this article to match something they want". The deleted material was copied from http://www.dongsheng.it/chi-siamo-2/ and http://www.occult-mysteries.org/liwangho/the-teachings-of-li-wang-ho.html, which may be some help, though the latter does not look like a reliable source. Maproom (talk) 14:50, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Getting an article published in Wikipedia

What is the process for submitting and getting approval for publication of a new article in Wikipedia? Are there criteria for approval? Is it a lengthy process?

Thanks, Steven Crozier Seattle, WA — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sleecrozier (talk • contribs) 15:30, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

See WP:42 (which explains why most articles are deleted) and WP:My first article. If an article is written correctly (which means more time spent before posting it), then there really isn't any sort of process beyond posting it. If it is not written correctly (not enough sources, or it has plagiarism or copyright violations, or it's written to promote something) then keeping the article is going to be a long and painful process.

When I write articles (such as Livre des Esperitz or Magical Treatise of Solomon), I:

• gather all professionally published mainstream academic or journalistic sources that are specifically about the topic but not affiliated with it
• summarize the relevant portions of those sources (sticking the citations behind those summaries) in Microsoft Notepad (with no formatting)
• combine those summaries into a paraphrase (moving the citations throughout as necessary), again in Notepad
• post that article as the first draft, and expand from there using other sources (such as ones that only discuss the topic in passing or are affiliated, though don't rely too much on affiliated sources)

It's more work, but when I follow through with that plan my articles do not get tagged for deletion.

Ian.thomson (talk) 15:44, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

There two processes. One is a process called New Page Patrol where reviewers make sure that articles do not meet the criteria for speedy deletion, or What Wikipedia is not. Articles are not indexed by search engines until the have been patrolled or they are 90 days old. Another process called Articles for Creation is available to unregistered editors or editors with a conflict of interest. Articles for creation are created in draft space, accepted upon a favourable review and moved into mainspace by an AfC reviewer. Mduvekot (talk) 16:30, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Template error

Can someone help me with the {{ArticleHistory}} template on Us Tareyton smokers would rather fight than switch!? I'm trying to list it as a delisted GA in the template.

I have this code:

{{ArticleHistory |action1=GAN |action1date=21:32, 6 August 2006 |action1result=listed |action1oldid=68071734 |action1link=Talk:Us Tareyton smokers would rather fight than switch!/Archives/2012#GA nominee |action2=GAR |action2date=June 16, 2008 |action2link=Talk:Us Tareyton smokers would rather fight than switch!#GA Sweeps Review: Kept |action2result=Kept |action2oldid=219811132 |action3=GAR |action3date=July 25, 2017 |action3link=Talk:Us Tareyton smokers would rather fight than switch!/GA1 |action3result=Delisted |action3oldid=786650338 |dykdate=6 August 2006 |currentstatus=B |topic=Socsci }}

It's telling me "Lua error: bad argument #1 to 'params' (string or number expected, got nil)." and I can't for the life of me figure out which string is wrong. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 16:58, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

That took some finding, it was the "B" in CurrentStatus - X201 (talk) 17:42, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

As for the reason why, see WikiProject assessments in the Errors section on the template Documentation. - X201 (talk) 17:44, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

mobile device language selector

I often read wikipedia articles in different languages. On the desktop there is a language selection box. Where is this on mobile view? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.189.159.50 (talk) 18:12, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

On the Android app, it's the middle icon on the bottom bar, looking like a Chinese 'wen' and an A. I assume it's something similar on IOS. --ColinFine (talk) 18:37, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

On the mobile website, it is a symbol of a small Chinese character and a capital "A" just under the article title to the left.  Seagull123  Φ  20:28, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

On the history of Louise Troy

I was reading about High Spirits, which was written by my landlord Timothy Gray. I read about Louise Troy & noticed that even though it was so it doesn't mention that she was Lauren Bacall's never seen understudy in Woman of the Year. I know as I worked it from the beginning to the end. She did do a rehearsal or 2 that I remember. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.127.229.154 (talk) 18:18, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello. I'm afraid that, because Wikipedia can be edited by anybody, we require that information be backed up by reliable published sources. If you can find a published source (maybe a biography?) that says she was the understudy, then it can go in the article; but I'm afraid that if it's only from your memory, then that can't be used in Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 18:39, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

How to create a page

Hi- I am trying to figure out how to make a wikipedia page for my company. can you please send me the steps on how to do it!

Thanks, Ashley — Preceding unsigned comment added by Innercirclesports (talk • contribs) 19:25, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

@Innercirclesports. Hi, please first read conflict of interest (COI), and please note that you shouldn't really write an article for a company you work for. Wikipedia's policy on COIs says "Do not edit Wikipedia in your own interests or in the interests of your external relationships." Writing an article for Wikipedia is harder than many people realize. Even professional writers find that the format and style needed for a good encyclopedia article are different than what might be appropriate for other venues. You could:

• Get someone else to do it—If your only goal is to make sure that an article is added to Wikipedia, you can request that someone write an article on the subject.
• Start by editing other articles—If you are interested in becoming an editor at Wikipedia, our experience demonstrates that it is better to start by improving existing articles, which will help you get a sense of how this place works, and then you will be ready to write your first article from scratch. A good place to visit is the Wikipedia backlog, where there are literally hundreds of thousands of articles needing help from editors. Find an article in a subject area you know, and add a source, or a reference, or simply help write it better.
• Go ahead and try—If you do decide to write an article immediately, please read our policy on conflicts of interest, then read our guide to writing your first article, which will repeat some of the good advice above. Then please use the Article wizard, which will help you through the steps. I urge you to accept the option to save your first draft in your user subpage, which will reduce the chance your work will be deleted before it is ready.

.  Seagull123  Φ  20:10, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Put a footnote in notes section rather than references

I want to put a footnote in an article that has a notes section and a references section. The notes section is currently empty. If I use the ref tag, it puts it in the references section. How can I make it to to the notes section? Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 19:25, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

@Bubba73: See WP:REFB#Alternative systems. Eagleash (talk) 20:02, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Also, Help:Footnotes#Footnotes:_groups might be helpful Mduvekot (talk) 20:07, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, that got me there. Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 20:18, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Resolved

listing

How do I get my band and their Biography in Wikipedia ? Can I make my own and add it or does someone else have to do it ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnnyshutup (talk • contribs) 20:48, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

@Johnnyshutup: Yes, basically you are strongly discouraged from creating any articles on a topic with which you have a close connection. (See WP:COI for more info). Wikipedia relies upon information gathered from independent reliable sources with no direct connection to the subject and has little, if any interest in what that subject may have to say about itself. If your band is 'notable' in the Wikipedia sense then undoubtedly someone will create an article about it in due course. Wikipedia is not a form of social media whereby persons or organisations can create a bio or profile about themselves.

If you feel that your band could pass the notability requirements (see WP:GNG and WP:NMUSIC), you could ask that an article be created at Wikipedia:Requested articles but you would have to be patient. Good luck. Eagleash (talk) 22:21, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Johnnyshutup BTW - What is the name of your band? The above was "policy"; but not "inquiry". Care to share? Thanks! Maineartists (talk) 22:46, 17 August 2017 (UTC)