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January 24

Referencing errors on Draft:Bret Shuford

Reference help requested.

Draft:Bret Shuford (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I'm not sure how to fix this editing issue. I added details and referencing.

Thanks, Mccole79 (talk) 00:31, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

The references need to be added inside ref tags (<ref>reference content</ref>) at the point in the text where they apply. Adding {{reflist}} (& no other text in that section) under the references heading will produce a list of references. Please see WP:REFB for a guide to formatting references. Eagleash (talk) 00:40, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Günther Friedländer

Hellow,

I wrote the Günther Friedländer value https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%BCnther_Friedl%C3%A4nder

and move to Wikipedia, but when you write Günther Friedländer in Google, it's not rising, why? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nuritash (talk • contribs) 04:46, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

• Hi, Nuritash, if your observation is that the Wikipedia article on Günther Friedländer is not showing on your Google search, I can give you my feedback that it does, and at the number one position, if you search using the key "Günther Friedländer". If you search using the key "Gunther Friedlander", then the page wasn't showing till now on the first page of Google search, I suspect because Wikipedia did not have a specific redirect page from Gunther Friedlander to Günther Friedländer. I have created the redirect now. Perhaps you should check a few days later whether this works. If it does show then, great; if it doesn't, we really can't do anything much about it. Hope this helps. Thanks. Lourdes 08:12, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

• Nuritash, It seems to be working... Thanks. Lourdes 02:55, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

What links here clickthrough rankings

Is there a tool that lets us see how often backlinks to a certain article are clicked? —PermStrump(talk) 07:12, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

@Permstrump: No, Wikipedia articles don't have that level of click-tracking built in. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:37, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Asking a cleanup bot to drop by on a page

Milky stork has just been through a substantial expansion, which consisted of the editor pasting in a conventionally referenced text and then formatting these references as ref tags. After a bit of cleanup, it's looking quite shiny now, BUT most of these refs are placed in front of terminal full stops. Not a biggie, but there's too many to polish manually. Is there a way to tag the page to make the good bot that generally performs these kinds of touchups (is it Anomiebot?) to drop by? -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 11:14, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

@Elmidae: I think the bots that implement MOS:REFPUNC just turn up uninvited. But since you've posted here specially, I've done the job using AWB directly. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:41, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks John! AWB, eh? Maybe I should start using that one of these days... -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 12:09, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Little Red Hen

See the mess I made of Little Red Hen. I tried to change one word. "frog" to "dog". I saw a notice that the change had no reference. I tried to add one, saw that I'd done it wrong, and tried to correct it. I can neither correct it nor erase the mess. I could not follow the HELP instructions on "close ref" mark. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ruth Appleby (talk • contribs) 11:40, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

I've tidied your alterations so that it displays properly, and I've removed duplication, and restored the content that you accidentally deleted, but I'm not sure what you intended to add. Please see WP:Referencing for beginners and have a another look. Ask again here if you need more help. Dbfirs 11:54, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error included ref

How do I get a response to HELP? where does it come if not email? How do I post this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ruth Appleby (talk • contribs) 11:51, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

The reply comes here (see above). It wasn't clear what your references actually were. Could you explain what publication you wished to use as a reference? In future, if you just want to undo your alterations, you can just click on "History" then "Undo". Dbfirs 11:55, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Switching reviewer?

All - This is more of a general question: An article was submitted. It was reviewed and rejected. A revised version was made. However, in the interim between the rejection and the revision/re-submission, the article's reviewer (as opposed to its author) was blocked by Wikipedia. How does the article move forward? Is it possible to request another reviewer? 195.113.243.75 (talk) 12:08, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

At articles for creation, you'll just get a different volunteer once the article is submitted. It shouldn't affect anything. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 12:28, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

If this relates to Draft:GreyCortex, you need to remember that the edits made since it was last reviewed have not yet been submitted for further review. There is a blue "Resubmit" button in the box at the top of the draft for you to use when it is ready. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:19, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Norman Brown

The information you are showing regarding Norman Brown is incorrect. I often visit your site and as Norman's sister, what you show is not correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.64.107.125 (talk) 14:05, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

I suspect that your question did not relate to the thread in which you asked it, so I have added a section heading. We have articles on a number of people named Norman Brown, so you would need to give us a wikilink to the article in question, together with published reliable sources to support any changes which you propose. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:16, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

While David Biddulph's advice above presumably meant is that you have no authority to removed sourced passages from biographies on Wikipedia with your unsourced claim to know better, even if you are a close relative and 100% sure of the fact: see WP:V. However, if an unsourced passage makes an incorrect claim, it should be removed even without providing a source to the contrary (the burden of proof rests on whoever wants content added). Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 14:50, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Source??

This has probably been covered elsewhere. I tried to find my own answer re: sources, but came up a bit short. Re:the topic of eNewsletters (and the like). Many businesses both large and small, have various forms of newsletter, used to trumpet new products, employees, changes etc. Sometimes (not very often, though) they can have some valuable source material in them. How is that normally handled/how should it be handled? How in the world would I post something like that at Commons?? .....something that just lands in my e-mail inbox, with maybe a few images, but is mostly text? --Bddmagic (talk) 16:48, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

A company's own publicity flyers are seldom a source suitable for Wikipedia, and, for copyright reasons, cannot be uploaded to commons. Dbfirs 17:18, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Fair enough....thanks! --Bddmagic (talk) 20:21, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Biographies

I have just created a page and at the top a box has come up saying " All biographies of living people created after March 2010 must have at least one reference to a reliable source that supports at least one statement made about the person in the article. If no reliable references are found and added within a seven-day grace period, this article may be deleted. This is an important policy to help prevent the retention of incorrect material.

I have added links to various sources within wiki and external links properly and referenced it. What else can I do to ensure a get a "reliable source" Bromy1 (talk) 17:13, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

I would remove the Facebook source since anyone can put anything on Facebook so it cannot be a WP:Reliable source. If you can find more articles published in newspapers, these will be better than publicity sites. Dbfirs 17:22, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

I'm guessing this is about:

Gauri pathare (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

†dismas†|^(talk) 17:29, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, I should have linked. If the article satisfies the strict conditions for WP:Biographies of living persons then it will need moving to Gauri Pathare. Dbfirs 17:33, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Kim Rogers page

Hello, I noticed that someone has created a german wiki page about me (Kim Rogers) https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Rogers?veaction=edit

I did not give permission for this, many of the facts and stats are incorrect and I would like my name not to be associated with Wikipedia. Can this please be deleted?

Thanks, 199.168.16.249 (talk) 18:29, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

In general, you don't have a say in when an article gets written about you. We don't go to the subject of every article and ask for their permission. That said, what the German Wikipedia has articles for is up to the German Wikipedia. All the different languages of Wikipedia are independent of one another. So you'd need to contact de.wikipedia.org. †dismas†|^(talk) 19:24, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

As a former professional athlete you could be considered a public figure. But I'm not sure whether you really match the German Wikipedia notability guideline. I will check that. --King Rk (talk) 19:25, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

According to German Wikipedia notability guideline for team sports, every Frauenbundesliga player (former or current) is considered notable.

Can you be more specific about the errors in the article? Please write here. --King Rk (talk) 20:01, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Brian Skerry

Hello, I need to create a Bio page (protected) for Brian Skerry, can you please help with this? Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Margor.88 (talk • contribs) 20:24, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Do you mean that you are being paid to create the page? If so, then you need to declare a WP:Conflict of interest. We already have a page about Brian Skerry, and I can see no reason to have it protected. Dbfirs 20:56, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Margor.88. You may be under the (very common) misapprehension that people have some involvement in Wikipedia articles about them. They don't. If we have an article about somebody (eg Brian Skerry), it should be a neutrally written summary of what indpendent reliable sources have published about him, favourable or unfavourable. His approval is not sought or required, and he and his associates have no say in what goes into the article (though they are welcome to suggest changes, preferably with reliable independent sources, on the article's talk page). --ColinFine (talk) 22:22, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Reinstate Spinutech page with edits

Hello, I would like to understand why a page was deleted, and how I can reinstate it. AFD talk page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Spinutech) states that references were local and not of notability. I'm also new to Wikipedia, and wasn't aware of the strict rules for content editing. In all fairness, this page was created prior to my edits and I'd like for those to be reinstated. Testedgrape (talk) 20:45, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not accept business advertising, but, if the business has been written about significantly in WP:Reliable sources such as regional or national newspapers, then it can have an article here. It is up to you to find the references. Dbfirs 20:52, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

How to edit in another language

Hello wikipedia. I was looking up info about my relative, Jacques Defay, using this website and I came up with a French article about French immigration in Guatemala. Under "Defay Vineyard Chateau" (I translated the page into English using google) it said that he was French and living in New York. He is Haitian and living in Virginia. I can not write or speak in French, though, so I cannot change it. Is there any way to get somebody to change it for me?

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inmigraci%C3%B3n_francesa_en_Guatemala — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.28.124.45 (talk) 21:36, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. Every different-language Wikipedia is a separate project, with its own rules and governance. The article you are referring to is in the Spanish, not the French Wikipedia: the equivalent to this page in Spanish Wikipedia is es:Wikipedia:Café/Archivo/Ayuda/Actual: if you raise the question in English there, there will probably be somebody who speaks English well enough to help you. --ColinFine (talk) 22:26, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Erik Angra

Hello,

I am the subject of this living persons bio. I do not really know how to edit, nor do i think i should be the one to do so. How can this article be more neutral? Should I hire an editor, or is that against the rules?

I just want to make sure its accurate and also neutral. Thank you!

There are tons more sources and stories online, but again, I dont want to interfere and make this against rules of course. Would someone please help?

I do appreciate your time, im not looking to have this page as vanity, i was just told about it, and saw what it says and would like to have it be neutral and accurate. There are other things about myself that I feel should be included if I have a wiki (such as my work with Ken Burns etc). Please advise, help.

Thank you!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.60.49.198 (talk) 22:46, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Erik Angra <redacted> — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.60.49.198 (talk) 22:43, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Erik. Thank you for appreciating that it is not your place to edit the article about you. What you can do, and are welcome to do, is to make suggestions for the improvement of the article, on its talk page Talk:Erik Angra. Then a volunteer editor will come by and decide whether to incorporate your suggestions. You can make it more attractive for somebody to pick up the issue by including references to reliable sources independent of you: if you suggest information without giving a source, then a prospective editor will have to look for sources. If your talk page does not get a great deal of traffic, add {{edit request}} (with the double curly brackets) to your suggestion, and that will put it on a list of requests that some editors look at. --ColinFine (talk) 23:24, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

You may hire someone, but they must follow the guidelines at WP:PAID, which requires disclosure and following conflict-of-interest guidelines. RudolfRed (talk) 23:42, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Also, Erik, you can make suggestions at various levels — you could make a bunch of little suggestions, or you could request a major revision all at once. As long as you follow ColinFine's instructions, things should be good. I've previously helped a semi-famous person convert his own biography from a poor-quality stub to a good article: he's familiar with the sources that have written about him, and he was happy to work within our rules by providing material for other people to add to the article. Since you correctly understood to ask for outside help instead of making edits to your biography by yourself, I expect that you'll be able to fit in pretty well if you're interested in helping, and since you presumably know about the sources that have written about you, I don't see any reason why we can't improve the article significantly if you're interested in helping. Nyttend (talk) 01:58, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

User:Meister und Margarita/Praha

I'm doing something wrong with the Template Date. Can someone please help? Thanx in advance--Meister und Margarita (talk) 23:28, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Meister und Margarita, use: {{dts|yyyy-mm-dd}} (for example), instead of {{SortDate|yyyy-mm-dd}}. Take a look at Template:Dts. It gives many examples of how to use the template. DonFB (talk) 01:04, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

Meister und Margarita I changed a few at the beginning as an illustration.01:05, 25 January 2017 (UTC)