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November 8

Autobiographies

What can I do to get my 'non-notable' auto biography onto wikipedia? Your reasoning is self-contradictory. If my autobiography is so 'non-notable' then it's 'biased' opinion would not affect anyone, and can therefore be put onto wikipedia without affecting the guidlines. Thank You Juan Vargas 00:48, 8 November 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Juan Vargas 2005 (talk • contribs)

@Juan Vargas 2005: Articles subjects must be notable. I don't see how this contradicts anything in WP:AUTO. It is strongly discouraged that you not write about yourself. If you are notable, then you may request someone else write the article at WP:RA RudolfRed (talk) 01:35, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

• If a subject is notable (WP:N), then (subject to some caveats: see WP:NOT) we want an article about that subject. If a subject is not notable, then we do not want an article about that subject, and any article about that subject that does creep in will be deleted. This is a fundamental Wikipedia policy, not merely a guideline. After notability is established, we then have other policies, including WP:AUTO, that constrain editors with a potential conflict of interest. There is no inconsistency. -Arch dude (talk) 03:00, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

@Juan Vargas 2005: You seem to be confusing a user page with an article. You may write a little about yourself on your user page, but this should be related to your work in editing Wikipedia, and should not be an imitation of a real article. If you simply want to publish your autobiography somewhere on the web, then Wikipedia is not the place for you. Dbfirs 08:30, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Beginner Editing

Hello, i have recently started using wikipedia and would like to know where i can start. I was on a page that wikipedia said was very simple to edit but i exited it, so i would like to know how i can get to a very rudimentary article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlexChn (talk • contribs) 01:25, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

@AlexChn: Maybe you were using the feature at Wikipedia:GettingStarted. You can try it on a Random article. You can also try Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Adventure. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:34, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Finding some old feedback

Years ago I wrote up some extensive feedback about an early version of the Wikipedia visual editor, specifically the function for adding citations. I'm trying to find my feedback again (not that it's relevant now), but I can't find it anywhere. I've found a couple of old posts by me in the Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback archives, but not the thing I'm looking for.

Does anyone have any idea of where it might have been? Was there a separate place for the citation feature? Could the page have been moved or something? I know for sure it was a dedicated talk page for feedback on the feature, and not a user's talk page, or whatever. Popcornduff (talk) 04:18, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

@Popcornduff: Hi, Please see 1, 2 or 3. #1997kB 04:51, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

My hero! When I searched the archives for my username, I could only find the other two posts. Don't know why that was. Thanks. Popcornduff (talk) 07:02, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

@Popcornduff: That happened because this one is in Wikipedia_talk:VisualEditor's archives and rest two are in Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback's archives. #1997kB 07:08, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Incorrect info

Hi! There is some incorrect info on this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CFXJ-FM#Airstaff

In the section where it says 93-5 The Move (2016-present) - it says J'Ness moved to a sister station. That is correct. I am J'Ness. When I moved to the other station, I changed my on air name to my real name - Jeunesse. Now, I am back on 93-5 The Move but I don't go by that name anymore. So, where it says the current on air staff, it should reference that change and call me by my true name, as the station itself recognizes: http://www.935themove.com/shows/

Thank you 99.249.58.70 (talk) 05:15, 8 November 2017 (UTC)Jeunesse

@99.249.58.70: See the changes. Thanks! #1997kB 05:38, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Usage of lakh and crore

Per WP:MOS:

> An article on a topic that has strong ties to a particular English-speaking nation should use the (formal, not colloquial) English of that nation.

I have noticed some English articles (about india-related topics) use the lakh or -L suffix. Would this be considered slang, or standard Indian English? As is is quite confusing — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.73.57.58 (talk) 08:59, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

I believe it is standard Indian English. Maproom (talk) 09:07, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Please see MOS:NUMERAL which includes:-
- "Sometimes, the variety of English used in an article may necessitate the use of a numbering system other than the Western thousands-based system. For example, the South Asian numbering system is conventionally used in South Asian English. In those situations, link the first spelled-out instance of each quantity (e.g. [[crore]], which yields: crore)."
However IMHO using just the initial, as in -L, would confuse many western readers unfamiliar with the system, and may contravene WP:COMMONALITY - If used. lakh and crore should be used in full, and the first use linked - as above. - Arjayay (talk) 09:51, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Submissions for Best Animated Short Academy Award

I thought that putting the list on the Best Animated Short Academy Award page would take too much room, so that's why I made this one. I also added more sites in your request. Espngeek (talk) 11:11, 8 November 2017 (UTC)Espngeek

To clarify: I think the user is talking about Submissions for Best Animated Short Academy Award being tagged with {{notability|lists}} by user @Animalparty: - X201 (talk) 12:17, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

I nominate deletion of submissions page Espngeek (talk) 12:31, 8 November 2017 (UTC)Espngeek

This isn't the place to nominate an article for deletion. There are 3 processes for that, see WP:Deletion policy#Processes. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:35, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Telephilia and Immer Zu

I also nominate these two pages for deletion (latter I copied from Vimeo's description) Espngeek (talk) 12:40, 8 November 2017 (UTC)Espngeek

Please read the answer in the section above at #Submissions for Best Animated Short Academy Award. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:49, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Help with new page

Hi, I created a new page for BetterezRTM. Firstly, can I change the name to just Betterez and take off the RTM? Also, I created a page in the sandbox. How do I submit the page now or make it live? Thanks! Sharon — Preceding unsigned comment added by BetterezRTM (talk • contribs) 16:47, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

You don't submit it and it doesn't go live. There are 2 "references", each of which is something that "Betterez announced". Wikipedia isn't interested in what a company says about itself. A company is notable, and deserving of a Wikipedia article, only if it has been the subject of significant coverage in multiple published reliable sources independent of the company. Also your user name is not acceptable, so I'll put a warning on your user talk page. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:13, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

I am trying to create a page like this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wanderu_(company)

How do I do that? Latest message from David Biddulph said I wasn't able to...I think. Please help! Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BetterezRTM (talk • contribs) 17:25, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

I think he's right. The company you're trying to promote simply isn't notable enough to justify a Wikipedia article about it. Maproom (talk) 17:51, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @BetterezRTM: creating a full-fledged page such as that you linked to is a long, hard process. If you are lucky, other people will help you to grow the article, but the initial steps are almost always a one-man operation.

Here is what you should do:

1. Change your username. See the notice at your user talk page (located at User talk:BetterezRTM): username representing a group of persons, such as a company, are not allowed; "SteveFromBetterezRTM" or similar is allowed though. You may also need to review our policy about conflicts of interest.
2. Read Wikipedia:Your first article. If you do not understand something, click the links, and if you still do not understand, come back and ask.
3. Gather available sources that simultaneously (1) deal in detail with the intended subject of the article (not a one-line mention in an article about something else), (2) are independent of it (not a press release by the company), (3) are reliable (not a blog post by a random guy on the internet).
4. If such sources do not exist, the article should not be created, so stop here. There is no point in working hours and hours on an article if it is almost certain it will be deleted.
5. If such sources do exist, great! Write a draft article using the Wikipedia:Article Wizard, using an inline citation for each claim that is supported by such sources. See also Help:Referencing for beginners.
6. Once that is done, submit the draft to WP:AFC (let us know at that point if you want help for that).

If it seems hard, it is because it is actually hard. But you can come back and ask for bits of help if you need them. Good luck! Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 18:00, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the information about creating a page. The company I work for and I'm trying to create a page for is well recognized in the travel technology industry and has been covered by mainstream, notable media. Is there a way for someone to tell me whether it is notable enough to warrant a page before we create it? I checked out your page on notability and think we qualify. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BetterezRTM (talk • contribs) 19:02, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello, BetterezRTM. I'm afraid that your company has an (unfortunately very common) fundamental misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is. What you are trying to do is use it to promote your company, and that is not allowed. If we ever have an article about your company, it will not be "a page for your company": it will not belong to you, you will not have any control over its contents, and in fact you are discouraged from editing it directly. What you or your company say, think, or know, will have almost no place in the article, which should be based nearly 100% on the independent sources that Tigraan referred to.

You are not forbidden from creating such an article (assuming it meets the criteria Tigraan explained) but if you choose to do so, you must read the conditions attached to paid editing. --ColinFine (talk) 00:17, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Esquire

There is a gap on the page between refs 4 and 5; they are not adjoining each other as usual. Is this OK? 203.132.68.1 (talk) 22:18, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

• Generally we like them to be right next to each other, yes. I fixed them. Thanks! Crow^Caw 22:21, 8 November 2017 (UTC)