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April 16

Edward Headlam Greenhow

Ref number 22 looks all wrong. Please help fix, I cannot do it. Thanks 2001:8003:D968:5702:CC9F:DF62:3444:7E54 (talk) 00:00, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

• SB, you should probably write, "I added a reference and formatted it wrongly; please help me correct it."[1] The question as usual is, why did you format the reference wrongly and miss out on one "{" in the cite template when you've added other references properly? The broader question as usual in your case is, why do you say you cannot do it, when it doesn't seem that you've even tried? The funny thing is, your edits are helpful in improving the articles you dabble in – no questions about it. It would be great if you can probably learn from your highly repetitive mistakes. Thanks, Lourdes 00:16, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Doublecheck phrasing

In these edits I added some references and a big quote that adds context to the claim that T-Series (an Indian record label) started off pirating stuff. I introduced the quote with "Lawrence Liang and Ravi Sundaram wrote", but I don't know if that wording is great. Normally I might write something like "Researchers Lawrence Liang and Ravi Sundaram", but I don't know anything about these guys and didn't want to assume they did the research. If anyone can think of a better way to phrase this, I welcome the correction. "The Social Science Research Council wrote:"?? I dunno. Thank you! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 04:46, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Cyphoidbomb, you can probably ask this on the article's talk page. In my personal opinion, there's no need to write Liang and Sundaram's names. Social Science Research Council has many Nobel laureates as past fellows, so on the face of it extremely reliable. Take out the quotes, phrase their finding in your own words and include this as a running article material. Lourdes 07:00, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

LAN eXtensions for Instrumentation

I think that I might be making some sort of mistake trying to propose this article for deletion. It's not showing up in today's deletion log. Clovermoss (talk) 06:24, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

• Don't worry Clovermoss, you were checking the wrong log. It is showing up in today's list of Prod nominated articles. See Category:Proposed deletion as of 16 April 2019. Thanks, Lourdes 07:18, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Sharing Sandbox

Friends,

My professor has requested a link to my user sandbox and I've no idea how . Please advise.

Obliged,

Matthew

Sneferu8 (talk) 06:35, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

@Sneferu8: Your sandbox's link inside Wikipedia is User:Sneferu8/sandbox. The URL for somebody outside of Wikipedia is en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sneferu8/sandbox. I hope this helps. --Gronk Oz (talk) 06:49, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

P.S. your headings will work if you add the corresponding = signs at the end. So change "== Education" to "== Education ==" and it will work.--Gronk Oz (talk) 06:53, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

the page has been wrong info edited by me please recovered this page

when i was making an account on your site at this time i have made an mistake to edit your page with wrong information so please sorry! for that and please recover that page because it is very important to indian people's — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4043:2317:998F:EC35:A2AE:2970:F707 (talk) 09:39, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Hello, the page has been restored. You say you were creating an account. Please edit using your account; I.e. whist 'logged in'. Please sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~). Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eagleash (talk • contribs) 10:22, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Like has been mentioned by the editor above, you can also click on the button that looks like a signature in the edit window to leave your signature and timestamp. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lourdes (talk • contribs) 12:42, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

You know, the IP editor may have understood the "signature" part better if the previous comments had been signed... –FlyingAce^✈hello 23:40, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

:P - FlightTime (open channel) 23:43, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Link to the new category

why is the link to the new category red but the others are blue:https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Types_of_road_systems&action=edit&redlink=1 208.54.36.166 (talk) 12:40, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

If the category is empty, it is red; otherwise, blue. Wikipedia:Red link has more details. Thanks, Lourdes 12:42, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Umm, not quite true. Category:Types of road systems is a red link but when you follow that link, it clearly isn't empty. A red category link indicates category links in articles have been created that point to a category that doesn't exist. Two possible fixes: create the category or replace/delete the offending category links in the articles.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 14:05, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you. 208.54.36.166 (talk) 13:55, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Category:Types of road systems currently seems like a random selection of road articles with little relation to the category name. Did you add all the articles and is there an intended system? PrimeHunter (talk) 14:47, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Yes, PrimeHunter. I would create the article myself certainly, but I don't own an account. 208.54.36.166 (talk) 15:58, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

I think a pause is in order. I don't think that the category name is synching with the contents, and frankly, I'm curious about what a "type of road system" is. Yes, we have different types of roadways, but I can't think of a cohesive system for classifying the systems of roads. I mean, we could have a "freeway-only network", but we don't have an article on such a topic. I think it would be wise to reverse course and stop filling this uncreated category, and I've already removed several articles. Imzadi 1979 → 16:36, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Editing tool for navigating a long list?

Hi, I found the list of series for the Extra History subsection on said list page a little bit difficult to navigate. I was trying to find the correct tool to use so that I could have a box (like a secondary, horizontal ToC for the subsection), to which I could link the listed miniseries. In other words, people would see a box with the names of the all the series at the top of the subsection, and clicking will take them to that miniseries to the episodes (e.g. "The Punic Wars"). Any advice on the appropriate template would be much appreciated? Sb101FV (talk) 14:10, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

@Sb101FV: You can make level 4 subsections with ====The Punic Wars==== so they appear in the main table of contents. See WP:ANCHOR if you don't want that solution. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:38, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks! I'm fine with using 4 subsections; it does just seem to make the ToC a bit long, so I was wondering if there was a better alternative? If not, I'm satisfied. =) Sb101FV (talk) 15:16, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

@Sb101FV: We don't generally make a sub-TOC in a section but we sometimes start a section with a table which gives links to subsections but also additional information. I have made a table with only the links. Maybe you will add more info to the table. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:54, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Bot request - remove useless items from google books links

Many references have URLs that contain useless information from Google Books. For instance:

&dq=NPL+network&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=NPL%20network&f=false

This bit of an URL includes the search terms, layout, etc. None of this is actually useful. A bot that removed this cruft would be very useful, making CITEs smaller and easier to read. Where is the right place to ask for this sort of thing? Maury Markowitz (talk) 15:59, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Maury Markowitz I've seen this in the bot request archives, but not sure if there currently is a bot. If you ask at Wikipedia:Bot requests, you should get an answer fairly quickly.Naraht (talk) 18:51, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

When I'm logged in and I hover over a link, it doesn't bring up a preview

But if I'm logged out, it does work. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 16:48, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

@Peregrine Fisher: It's an option in your preferences at Special:Preferences, under "Appearance". Is it turned on? RudolfRed (talk) 17:07, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 20:05, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Jesus as influence

Hi, an editor has added Jesus Christ as an influence to the info box for Søren Kierkegaard noting that the influence of Jesus is "self-evident in his works." Is it appropriate to name Jesus as an influence? I couldn't find a guideline on this - thanks - Epinoia (talk) 17:16, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Not unless a reliable source explicitly says so, or we'd be saying the same about every Christian. Realistically, nobody other than the early Church Fathers is going to have Jesus as an influence in the sense in which we mean it, since he never wrote anything that's survived, whereas "influence" in the broader sense applies to virtually everyone in the world (even in non-Christian cultures). ‑ Iridescent 17:23, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Why were my edits to the Green Party (Ireland) and Social Democrats (Ireland) pages deleted?

Why were my edits to the Green Party (Ireland) and Social Democrats (Ireland) pages deleted? I spent several hours updating both. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tallyman2018 (talk • contribs) 17:25, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

@Tallyman2018: You may want to ask the editor that reverted your edits directly, but they wrote an edit summary stating "Rv - not an improvement - we don't do this for other parties ". 331dot (talk) 17:32, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

I don't see how this could be described as 'not an improvement'. Other political parties in different countries have similar sections and there are Local, European and possibly a General election in the near future in Ireland. The reasons why I started on small parties were time specific. If this decision was revoked I would do it for all political parties in Ireland and further. I used the political parties' own websites as well as a blog run by an Irish academic on elections. I don't believe the reason 'we don't do this for other parties' is a good enough reason to delete content which is not only factual but relevant at the current time more than any other. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tallyman2018 (talk • contribs) 17:41, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

It may be that that editor thinks it adds too much of an updating burden, for insufficient gain. ("Not how it's done elsewhere", if true, would be a reasonable point (because how it's done everywhere else is often best practice, and outliers are regarded with jaundiced eye), and also editors tend to patrol for material they think is an overly deep level of detail for our purpose here. The point of the article to help the reader answer the question "What is the Green Party of Ireland?", and it may be that a list of officeholders don't much add to the reader's understanding of this entity.

Per WP:BRD, the editor is just trying to make things run smoothly. Also per WP:BRD, you can go to the article's talk page and make your case for the addition, and that'd be your best next move; say what you said here, or anything else you think is cogent. Perhaps other editors will support you. You can try to offer a compromise, maybe: let's say, adding just the TDs and Senators and MLAs (whatever that all mean; you should specify what the acronym means on first use), or something. Maybe in paragraph form rather than list form, so it is visually less obtrusive. Maybe specify "as of 2019" so that if it doesn't get updated, at least the reader will know how out of date it is. And so on.

However, you may not win your point, and there's a fair chance you won't, actually. But you never know.

I'm sorry that your hard work was reverted. It happens to all of us, but it sucks. It particularly happens to new editors as they learn the ropes. We appreciate your work, and we hope to see more! If you need any further help, or just want a cookie, message me. Herostratus (talk) 17:53, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thank you, kindly, the three members who answered my question about 'edits". — Preceding unsigned comment added by David S. Soriano (talk • contribs) 19:47, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Your question, and your previous thanks, were at WP:TH#Auto-Confirmation, not here on the Help desk. You have been reminded more than once that you ought to be signing your messages. Please read again the message on your user talk page. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:08, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Albanian language expert needed.

Hi folks I'm looking for an Albanian language expert who can look at a translated article, to determine if it good and help get it moved from Draft:The Albanian Great Doors into main space if its good. Thanks. 22:29, 16 April 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by scope_creep (talk • contribs)

@Scope creep: normally Category:Translators sq-en, but I note that even the most "active" user has not edited in 7 months. Try Category:User sq. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 13:57, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

How insert "participating countries" section within my "Infobox Song Contest" template?

Dear All

I am currently editing the page - ABU Song Contest 2019. I am having difficulties of adding "participating countries" section within the page's infobox.

I already have the image ready which is ABU Song Contest 2019 Map.svg.

I would wish to follow the example of this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurovision_Song_Contest_2019 by inserting that mini-template successfully.

Some tips would be appreciated! Many thanks.

Moskovescasc — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moskovescasc (talk • contribs) 22:36, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Moskovescasc, can you look at the 2016 version over at ABU TV Song Festival 2016? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 23:18, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi! I did. I can’t find the code for that particular segment.

I need proper source code but I couldn’t find a workable one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moskovescasc (talk • contribs) 09:32, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

{{Infobox song contest}} says The map is automatically transcluded to the infobox based on the values of the name and year parameters. It looks then as though your map should transclude if you remove the word "Map" from its title. By the way please sign your posts on discussion pages like this one: Bhunacat10 (talk), 10:50, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Moskovescasc (talk) 17:08, 17 April 2019 (UTC)Sorry! Thanks for your answer but it is not achievable. I exhausted all the relevant methods and the map just won’t show up. Do you believe help me to make it happen by editing that page? I would like to know how you did it！ thanks!

I see Moskovescasc, the map already exists as a file in English Wikipedia, so its name can only be changed by a special class of editor called a file mover. I have requested this change at File:ABU Song Contest 2019 Map.svg. When this request has been actioned then your map should show up in the infobox in ABU Song Contest 2019: Bhunacat10 (talk), 20:09, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

@Bhunacat10 and Moskovescasc: The file is actually hosted on Commons, I made a move request there, it was denied. I guess a new file can be uploaded under the preferred filename. Cheers, - FlightTime (open channel) 14:40, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Moskovescasc (talk) 21:14, 17 April 2019 (UTC)Thank so much! No wonder I have tried so many times and it failed! Can’t wait for the change takes effect!

Just one more question, if I need to update the ABU Song Contest 2019.svg multiple times (as you know this map reflects a real-time event, so it needs constant updates on countries with different colours). Could I just update the file via the SVG page itself without editing the info box code again?

Also, I discovered your request has suggested the name of the file needs to be changed to “ABU Song Contest 2019”, just wonder do I need to manually change it myself or your request would take charge of that automatically by the system. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moskovescasc (talk • contribs) 21:32, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Resolved

The map has appeared in the article, apparently by creation of {{Infobox song contest/ABU Song Contest 2019}}: Bhunacat10 (talk), 22:39, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Moskovescasc (talk) 22:45, 18 April 2019 (UTC) Thank you so so much! You are the best! Hope I could get future support from you as well! Have a good day!