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January 15

Sourced content deleted

I correctly expanded an article with a new sub-heading and formatted, sourced content in this change. Wikilinks were then added.

All of the content was then deleted, including two refs. I included the road-name as it is countryside between two settlements. It is a facility, a local-government funded provision; there are no commercial considerations, hence it is of local and encyclopaedic value. Allusions to advertising would be irrelevant.

The deletion edit summary is: This detail is unimportant and outside of the guidelines - it reads like an advertisement. Another editor then restored some of the deleted content.

I am not satisfied with the deletion, and would prefer the full content to be restored. I do not believe I am 'in the wrong', but would appreciate confirmation. The deleting editor has a history of deletions at this article.

Comments please, including identification of the unidentified "guidelines". Thanks.--86.29.222.228 (talk) 00:34, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Content discussions should occur on an article's talk page. Please engage with the other editors there to reach a consensus. Start by assuming that the other editors are trying, like you, to improve Wikipedia. (WP:AGF). If you cannot reach a consensus there, then proceed as described in WP:DISPUTE. -Arch dude (talk) 02:47, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, Arch dude, I am very well aware of that, but I wanted independent opinion, not to engage with someone who has a track record of deletion at this article and at the worklist which shows a lot of red. This deleting editor could've stated what guidelines were applicable (note - not policy). Deletion of sourced content is vandalism, hence common sense would seem to have been breached with a knee-jerk reaction to an IP address. Difficult to AGF here .--86.29.222.228 (talk) 03:52, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

This is a content dispute. It should be discussed on the article's talk page, and if consensus cannot be reached then dispute resolution may be used, exactly as User:Arch dude suggested. If you are not even willing to engage with the other editor then this is not going to go well. The Help page isn't here to short circuit the proper procedures. Meters (talk) 05:32, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

• Dear IP, I've given an independent opinion (and have undone your edits) and have warned you on the talk page of the article to stop spamming and to stop casting aspersions on other editors. As mentioned by the respected editors above, use DR for further dispute resolution. Thanks, Lourdes 05:41, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Right On! Magazine

Misplaced draft

Right On! Magazine was first published in October 1971 coinciding with the burgeoning popularity of Motown's African-American teen act, The Jackson Five, later known as The Jacksons. The publication, which was a spinoff of the Laufer Company's mainstream fan magazine, Tiger Beat, was created to meet the interest and curiosity of young fans who were passionate about obtaining information, interviews and color pin-ups on Michael, Jackie, Jermaine, Tito, Marlon and later, Randy Jackson. The magazine developed a following around the world, later branching off into a publication that became noted for discovering and publicizing recording artists and television celebrities, including The Sylvers, Janet, LaToya and Rebbie Jackson, Al B. Sure!, LL Cool J, the late artists Prince, Aaliyah, Tupac and Big Pun, Lawrence Hilton-Jacobs, Haywood Nelson, Stoney Jackson, Eric Laneuville, Kevin Hooks, Ralph Carter, Jimmie Walker, Shalamar and the original Soul Train Dancers. Many celebrities attributed their success to its editorial staff, which was lead by Cynthia Horner who was thanked on celebrities' liner notes and on social media. In the years that followed, Right On! remained at the forefront of magazine publishing, opening the gateway to the development of various other titles, including Class (an adult publication), Focus (a hip hop publication) and Sisters In Style (beauty/fashion). Although the publication was associated with the Jacksons, by the 80's Right On! was covering such hip hop stars as Kurtis Blow, Run-DMC, Whodini, DJ Jazzy Jeff and The Fresh Prince, Queen Latifah, TLC and New Edition. Right On!, whose named derived as an expression of positivity, published on a monthly basis until 2012. The magazine was then acquired by its former Editorial Director, Cynthia Horner, through her family's company Right On! Media Holdings, LLC. Largely a digital brand, its website is www.rightondigital.com where its slogan has been rebranded as "iconic positivity." In 2017-2018 the magazine was featured on such TV programs as TV One's Unsung, and CEO Cynthia Horner has appeared on such sites as shondaland.com, theozy.com, allhiphop.com and madamenoire.com.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.105.7.16 (talk) 00:43, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Is this a question or is this an article? If this is an article, this is not a place to make an article. PorkchopGMX (talk with me - what i've done) 00:53, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

We already have an article on this topic at Right On!: Bhunacat10 (talk), 13:00, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Help with ClueBot III

Hi, folks. Following the instructions given here by some kind editors, I "installed" the ClueBot III on my Talk Page. The bot is archiving my talk page properly. However, in the search box, the archives don't show properly and I really don't know what is wrong. So, I decided to come here to get some extra help. Thanks in advance.--SirEdimon (talk) 02:58, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

@SirEdimon: Do you really want your archives to be at the title User talk:SirEdimon/Archives/ 2? That non-standard format is not where {{archives}} looks for archives, which is explaining why the {{archive box isn't working. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 03:03, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Pppery Hahahaha. Actually I didn't choose the name and I may have done something wrong when I "installed" it. Help, please. hahahaha.--SirEdimon (talk) 03:06, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Ok, SirEdimon, I've moved the archives to the typical format for numbered archives, and fixed the template for the bot, so the archives now appear and the bot should archive things correctly. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 03:56, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Thank you very much.--SirEdimon (talk) 04:02, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Vandalism

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1000_Crore_Club This page is vandalised. Please restore it. 119.82.86.217 (talk) 10:43, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. I have reverted the unexplained deletion. It would have helped if you had given some indication what the problem was, for those unfamiliar with the page. --ColinFine (talk) 12:45, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Screwed up AfD listing

I've screwed up the AfD listing for Vijay Kumar (physical therapy), can anyone figure out what I did? It's not appearing correctly (no heading for the discussion, listing broken on the AfD list), must have followed the instructions badly. Honestly I just did it correctly yesterday, what is wrong with me? Thanks for any help! valereee (talk) 13:09, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

@Valereee: I've reformatted the AFD page using Template:Afd2, as shown in the instructions at WP:AFDHOWTO. If you are doing this regularly, then I suggest you enable the Twinkle tool - you can then select "XFD" from a menu and type your reason into a box, and the tool will do the fiddly edits for you. -- John of Reading (talk) 13:15, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

@John of Reading: OMG I am such an idiot, lol. I have twinkle and that's what I used yesterday. Not enough coffee, apparently. Thanks so much! valereee (talk) 13:21, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Change logo

I work at this school and would like to update the logo on this page to our new one. As I didn't set up the page, I can't change the logo. How can I do this please? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selby_High_School

Thank you Selby High School (talk) 13:24, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

I've softblocked the user due to their username and responded to their query on their talk page. Galobtter (pingó mió) 13:31, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

History of anarchism

In the thread of History of anarchism, the user User:Cinadon36, revert my contribution in the first time cause he said WP is not RS . Ok i accept it! So i put a very good citation as he suggest. Then he just revert me for second time without any explanation of what is his promblem now except this Please respect WP:BRD and take it to the talk page. So i revert him. But now he revert me for third time with a new(!!!) explanation now that Apart from sources, it is #UNDUE. If you continue reverting, I am going straight to ANI for disturbing editing. I can't understand what he wants. If he wants citations, i can provide at least from 10 books. But if he change all the time his objections, so i can't help him. Please check in the thead of [[1]] its common knowledge. If i did something wrong, please feel free to say so. Thank you. Αντικαθεστωτικός (talk) 14:25, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

What he wants, Αντικαθεστωτικός, is for you to discuss the matter on the talk page. Reapplying your change after somebody has reverted it is edit warring: please read WP:BRD which is where Cinadon36 directed you. --ColinFine (talk) 15:25, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

ColinFine Thank you for your time. My mistake i guess. Αντικαθεστωτικός (talk) 15:31, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Vandalism

Dear all,

Hope all is well. I am mapping IP address edits per country for 271 language Wikipedias. I would like to exclude IP addresses that are vandalism. I was thinking of using the ipblocks table for the IP addresses to be excluded. Because this project is in so many different languages and my programming skills are intermediate, I would like to use the Wikipedia tables or registers that the Wikipedians in those language use to mark vandalism. If anyone has another idea, I would be most grateful. Perhaps I am missing a way that Wikipedians across languages are using to mark vandalism.

Thank you, Tom — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tomthirteen (talk • contribs) 18:14, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Tomthirteen, You could try excluding reverted edits WelpThatWorked (talk) 18:30, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Dear WelpThatWorked, thank you for your response. I hesitate to do that because there are many reverted edits that were done in good faith. Also, if I do that, do you know of an easy, efficient way to do that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tomthirteen (talk • contribs) 18:37, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Different COI editors for different languages paid by same organization

Would it be considered a conflict of interest if an institution assigned one COI editor for Wikipedia in English and a different French-speaking COI editor for the French version of Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.90.64.238 (talk) 19:03, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Can you clarify your question? If either editor has a conflict of interest, it doesn't matter if there is also another editor with a COI. RudolfRed (talk) 19:20, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Is it an issue if they are both working for the same international organization or is the organization limited to one COI editor, even if the editors are working (via Talk pages) in different languages? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.90.64.238 (talk) 22:04, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. No, there is no particular restriction on the number of COI editors. Anybody is welcome to edit Wikipedia as long as they comply with its rules and guidelines: that tends to be harder to do for editors with a COI, which is part of the reason why they are discouraged from editing articles directly that they are involved with. But as long as they make the required declarations (mandatory if they are paid editors), and comply with the policies and practices, including their choice of account names if they choose to create accounts, there can be more than one. Note that each language Wikipedia is an entirely separate project, which may have different rules. --ColinFine (talk) 22:40, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.90.64.238 (talk) 00:53, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

"not found in cited source"

I believe I've seen a template which makes, in effect, the above statement. I need to use it now. How do I invoke it?--Quisqualis (talk) 19:21, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Put "{{Failed verification|date=January 2019}}" next to the closing </ref> tag. It will produce ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 19:29, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, ONUnicorn.--Quisqualis (talk) 21:55, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Wikidata linking question

I just wrote a section about the Mickey Mouse universe character Scuttle: Mickey Mouse universe#Scuttle. I would like to add it to the Wikidata page about this character: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q3958734, but I don't know how. I tried adding a link to "Mickey Mouse universe#Scuttle" at the English Wikipedia but Wikidata wouldn't let me save this because Mickey Mouse universe is already linked to Wikidata. How can I accomplish this? Should I write an old-fashioned interwiki link, or create a redirect to the section and add it to Wikidata, or what? JIP | Talk 19:54, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

No. You don't need to do anything. Mickey Mouse universe is already linked and is enough. Wikidata only allows linking a page once but not sections.–Ammarpad (talk) 05:03, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

https://el.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Μακεδονία

This article present changes that DO NOT refers the actual story of Macedonia. It is stated that it is a slav country (which is not) and saying Macedonian as not a Greek language which is entirely false. The whole page needs to be corrected — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:587:242A:1A00:21CA:EECA:1555:FA1D (talk) 20:52, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

This is the English language Wikipedia. You will need to ask at that Wikipedia for help. RudolfRed (talk) 21:00, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Incidentally, people here at en:Wikipedia generally believe that the Macedonian language is Slavic, not Greek. Maproom (talk) 23:41, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

The OP might want to consider that some people might want to cause intentional confusion between the modern South Slavic Macedonian Language as currently spoken in that country (and linked by Maproom above), and the variety of Ancient Greek called the Ancient Macedonian language that was spoken in the same region up to about 2,300 years ago before being superceded by another Greek dialect. South Slavic languages showed up in the region around 800 years later than that. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.217.251.247 (talk) 21:15, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Robert Compton Makenzie Campbell. pamella compton makenzie Campbell

Hello. I need help. I am trying to add info on a famous family and theirhistory, only for some one to de line it. There is someinfo on the above names but very limited as up untill now as there was a court order was put in place in 1959 for no publication onthefamily until they give permission to do so which is now they fill comfortable and ready. So how can we start puting info in. There is alot of evidence photos letters etc. The reason for limited info on Pamella carrington coutte (compton makenzie is she died 3 day after thebirth of her daughter and it is the most famous macbeth tragedy. Hence why no releases. Her daughter has now given permission to release biography. Please help in adding history to your wiki Regards Cyn — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cynhalliard (talk • contribs) 21:46, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

@Cynhalliard: Wikipedia can only use information from published sources. See WP:RS. We cannot use information from family letters etc. If the information has not been published anywhere, then you cannot add it to Wikipedia. RudolfRed (talk) 21:50, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia Fonts

I happened to come across this page on the German WP, called [2]. When compared to a en WP article, the fonts are much better, in terms of look, visual clarity and so. Comparing it to this article List of bays of Scotland that I am in the process of creating, the fonts look really blocky. I'm on the Cologne Blue skins. Is there any way to improve the look, possibly via stack of CSS definitions lying about. Thanks. scope_creep^Talk 22:15, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

@Scope creep: They look the same to me when they are both viewed in Vector, or both viewed in Cologne Blue. Are you viewing them in the same skin and at the same size? Your browser may display larger with ctrl++, smaller with ctrl+-, and default size with ctrl+0. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:43, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: I tried that, but they are roughly 12point on each one. I'll upload a pic. Any ideas? I am on Windows 10, version 1803, on Firefox 63.0.2 scope_creep^Talk 22:53, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: It is something to do with Firefox. I will need have a look. scope_creep^Talk 22:57, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

@Scope creep: I have Windows 10, version 1803, Firefox 64.0.2. It sometimes makes a difference to clear your entire cache. Few readers have Cologne Blue. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:01, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: What is the most common skin? I have been on Cologne Blue for year. Perhaps it is time for a change. scope_creep^Talk 23:06, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

@Scope creep: Vector is default for desktop users. All logged out desktop readers see it, and most who are logged in. But a large part of our readers see the mobile version of the site. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:18, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter:, I thought it would be more diverse. I like the vector, but for some reason on my part, the search box is on the wrong side, as the carat spends more time on the left, and you spend more time moving to the right the screen to search That was feeling about it at the time. Although in saying, I'm going to give Vector a try and see what happens. As if my magic, your cache flush solution seems to have fixed the problem. Thanks Primehunter. scope_creep^Talk 23:28, 15 January 2019 (UTC)