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February 11

AAC And Mountain West Conference Football Schedules

What No Schedule release yet for both conferences It's February But When Will They Get Released. 68.103.78.155 (talk) 00:01, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia has no control over that. Perhaps you should be asking the NCAA or other governing body. RudolfRed (talk) 00:13, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Creation of Trapeze Group Asia Pacific page.

How do I create a page for Trapeze Group Asia Pacific?

We are a separate business to the already existing 'Trapeze Group' page.

Thanks, Josh — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trapezegroupasiapacifc (talk • contribs) 02:13, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

You should not use Wikipedia as a way to promote your business (see WP:PROMOTION). As the reason you want the article is to promote your business, it would be inappopriate for you to write the article. If you think it is notable, which means it has received significant coverage in independent, reliable sources, it would be better to post it at Wikipedia:Requested articles and someone may write it at some point. Additionally, your username will not be allowed to continue on Wikipedia because it is the name of the company, see Wikipedia:Username policy.—Naddruf (talk ~ contribs) 02:55, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Trapezegroupasiapacifc, Howdy hello! A few things. For starters, your username is against policy and will have to change. Secondly, we only write about notable things. It is possible your company is notable, but I wouldn't be on it. We don't write about everything, we only write about businesses that have recieved significant coverage in multiple reliable and independent sources. Think the New York Times. Industry publications generally don't count.

The main issue here is a conflict of interest. If you are an employee, have a financial stake in the company, or have otherwise been paid for these edits, you must disclose that by following the steps at WP:PAID. Once you have done that, then you can use the WP:Article Wizard to make a draft of your article. But beware: very few company pages created by paid editors get approved. Also, having an article for your compnay isn't necessarily a good thing. Anyone can edit the page, and they can edit to include anything your company has done...good or bad, for all the world to see. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 03:00, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

DC Defenders Roster Change

I could have sworn that the Dc Defenders had dropped Tyler Palka and picked dup undrafted wide receiver form the Univerity of North Carolina Chapel Hill Aaron Sylvester — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheLarryEdwards (talk • contribs) 02:21, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Maybe try asking at Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Entertainment. Or a google news search. Peregrine Fisher (talk) 04:12, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Anonymous photo upload?

What if I took a photo but I want to upload it anonymously, so that I don't give away the details of the subject? In particular, Breast reduction could use a good illustration of how the surgeon marks up the patient, but the patient might not want to have her identity associated with a photo of her breasts marked up. Is there a way perhaps via the ticket mechanism to verify the appropriate rights and license, but not have the full info show up publicly? 2601:647:4200:4010:940F:BB86:C199:DDE5 (talk) 05:37, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

I think the photographer hold the copyright on photos they take. So a doctor could probably just upload whatever pictures they take as the copyright holder. If some doctor started uploading pictures of his patients when they dont want him to, we would probably delete those pictures regardless of copyright. As someone once said, "I'm not a law talding dude". Because it's nudity, you better really get your ducks in a row. Peregrine Fisher (talk) 05:54, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Getting my ducks in a row is what I'm trying to do. I'm not a doctor, but related to the patient, who will give her consent as long as some privacy can be maintained. 2601:647:4200:4010:10B4:516F:C47F:987 (talk) 06:29, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

If the copyright holder of the picture (the doctor or the patient?) registers an account (which is anonymous) and uploads it (with the face cropped out), I don't see how the patient's identity could be compromised. If verification is needed, I don't know the process, but you could always decline if you are uncomfortable with it. It's not like the article can't live without it (or even if it could, it's not worth hassles IRL). —[AlanM1(talk)]— 07:57, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Copyright wise, the photographer owns the photograph. If the doctor is employed by a hospital, then the hospital is actually the owner. The nudity part is kinda making me question my knowledge, but I think it doesn't matter legally. Again, get your ducks in a row. Peregrine Fisher (talk) 09:41, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

• Well, the ticket system is described at WP:DONATEIMAGE but it is there for the case where a photograph is already online and we need to make sure the owner agrees to the new license. In the current case, I assume the photograph is not public yet. By default, photographs who make their first web appearance on Commons and do not have any eyebrow-raising metadata are assumed to be properly licensed (if the opposite presumption was made, nobody could upload their own photographs). The legal way would be to have the doctor (or maybe the hospital's counsel) upload it, but if you upload it as your own work I doubt anyone would raise a fuss. I would create an account to do so on Commons because IP address leak some information about who your internet service provider is, which correlates with more or less large geographical areas; but you do not need to give out your name, the patient's or the doctor's, in the photo description (so do not do it!).

Although privacy is not a problem for us, ensuring it might be a technical problem for you. Take care not to leak information in the photo itself (example: if the picture has a medecine diploma hanged on the wall, make sure it cannot be used to deduce the doctor's identity, otherwise it could lead back to the patient's) or in the metadata (example: geotagging would almost surely be matched to the hospital's location). For removing metadata, here's a tutorial on Windows, or search for "EXIF editor" and pick a program that suits you. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 13:30, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

• Thanks. I took the photo and know how to remove metadata. If a new anonymous account at Commons will be accepted as good enough, I'll do that. I'll post on the user page to say I have another account, which I will not identify, and explain that I'm not "abusing" multiple accounts. 2601:647:4200:4010:79AD:4729:A0BE:3829 (talk) 02:27, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Username template

Is there any template for use on your user page to warn that a very similar username is a different user? MB 05:47, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Not sure if there is a dedicated user one... But you could just use the old fashioned {{for}} Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 06:36, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

... or {{distinguish}}. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:31, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

What happened?

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&curid=564696&action=history Peregrine Fisher (talk) 09:52, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Items were oversighted due to an above item being redacted (according to the logs) Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:59, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Peregrine Fisher logs can be viewed here: [1]. I should mention I don't know if it's exactly the reason why it was oversighted, but just an informed guess. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:01, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Lee Vilenski, Peregrine Fisher the revisions were revdelled because of a privacy concern. In cases like that, all revisions of the page containing the breach need to be hidden - it doesn't imply that there was anything wrong with anything you said, just that there was a pre-existing problem on the page when you edited it. No way around it unfortunately, if you were discussing something just carry on from where you left off. GirthSummit _(blether) 10:13, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Let's say Guy jzg was wrong for the sake of argument. What's next? Peregrine Fisher (talk) 10:18, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Peregrine Fisher, he wasnt wrong. GirthSummit _(blether) 10:22, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Peregrine Fisher, Theoretically, if you think it is being misused, then you should contact Arbcom at Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Audit. In practice, there are aren't many oversighters, and due to the rather high requirements of becoming one, they are probably correct. ~~ Alex Noble - talk 11:51, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

but note that between 2009 and 2016, when there was a special group of arbcom to handle checkuser and oversight, there were only four overturnings of oversight, and no one ever had oversight removed. ~~ Alex Noble - talk 11:59, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

It wasn't oversighted, just revdeled, so above doesn't apply. ~~ Alex Noble - talk 14:28, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Any administrator can delete a revision so that it is invisible to non-administrators. There are thousands of administrators. "Oversighters" get involved only when they think something should be invisible to the thousands of administrators.

• Peregrine Fisher and others: if you already know the gist of what was oversighted, what you have is either a content dispute which you should resolve by the usual means (I have not looked but would bet there are multiple open threads already) or a complaint about user conduct. The latter would be dealt with either at WP:AN/WP:ANI if you think the user should be blocked, topic banned etc., or at WP:ARBCOM if the user is an administrator who abused their tools or should be desysopped for misconduct. The oversight audit procedure is in place for cases where the oversighter tries to do stuff stealthily but apparently here everyone knows what is going on.

117.249.228.172, you should sign your posts yourself, not rely on sinebot to do it. The docs imply that it amounts to abusing the bot. Also, your post reads more like venting frustration than an actual request for information. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 13:04, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

• I removed the IP's comment as block evasion (multiple block evasion, in fact). See JIMBOTALK (section titled "whistleblower") for more context. Most of the edit filter hits have been suppressed by the CheckUser team, several admins have blocked and revdeleted the additions. As of today, no reliable independent sources appear to have repeated the name. Videos of Rand Paul have been taken down by YouTube and others. And the IP has been blocked dozens of times including multiple rangeblocks. Guy (help!) 23:38, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

NEVER refer to a good faith edit as vandalism.

Can someone provide full list of tagging a page

Please as a help provide a link where I can get all tags for a page like re editing, citations. Cause: I just came back on Wiki after so long due to study and health issues. help! Manupriy Ahluwalia (talk) 10:21, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Manupriy Ahluwalia, if you install WP:TWINKLE, you can use it to add tags like that very easily - you just select them from a list it gives you. GirthSummit _(blether) 10:49, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:Template messages. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:16, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Question about message on my talk page

I don't quite understand this message on my talk page. How should I respond? Interstellarity (talk) 11:40, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

It sounds to me like the user is WP:NOTHERE based on looking at their edit history. If you don't recall interacting with them, I don't know if I would respond at all. 331dot (talk) 11:49, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

@331dot: Thank you for your reply. I think the best thing to do is to not respond at all and let the bot archive it. Interstellarity (talk) 11:51, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

The user created his account in September 2015 but only started using it now. He has only ever used it to write these confusing comments on talk pages. JIP | Talk 14:02, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

@331dot: Buried in the gibberish is some concerning stuff. Can I suggest zaping the talk page and account, since they are clearly WP:NOTHERE? —[AlanM1(talk)]— 16:41, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Done. 331dot (talk) 16:44, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Shared IP adress

I own a computer through my school system. It appears that every student shares the same IP address. I have an account and stay logged in at all times, yet i'm still receiving notices about edits I did not make. It's starting to worry me a little bit. Any ways you can help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.125.131.66 (talk) 14:26, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Are you sure you are logged in? You were not when you posted this, and you should then only receive messages intended for you.

If your asking because you think the account will get linked to the IP address, and you'll be held responsible or something, it's fairly obvious to checkusers, the only users with access to the IP addresses used by logged in users, which IP addresses are shared and which aren't. They aren't going to block someone or anything just because they use the same IP as a school. ~~ Alex Noble - talk 14:33, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

It is quite probably because you forgot to log in. Note that by the signature automatically inserted to your message, you were not logged in when you wrote this question. Contributions done by your IP address aren't going to show up on your account or vice versa. JIP | Talk 14:41, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Also note that if you sign your post correctly, by placing a space and four tildes at the very end (like this: ~~~~) , if you then preview your post before publishing it, you will see the signature – either an IP address if you are not logged in, or your username if you are. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 16:47, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Edit/ remove

Hello,

I’m trying to remove a sentence from Wiam Wahhab’s page in the controversy part. However, wikipedia is not letting me. The sentence is not accurate nor true, and Wiam Wahhab is ma father and the sentence needs to be removed. Any help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Reine123451 (talk • contribs) 14:45, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

@Reine123451: Hello, your edits were undone (reverted) as they removed sourced material. However, as you have a conflict of interest as a relative of the subject, you should first read that linked page and make the necessary declarations. You should then make requests for edits at the article talk page (see Template:Request edit for how to do this). FWIW the source does seem to support the comments as reported but it is not one that Wikipedia regards as wholly reliable and I have no idea as to whether the translation is accurate. Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~). Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 14:56, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Reine123451 (ec) Since you say it is your father, you should review conflict of interest. Wikipedia is "letting you" make the edit, but it is being reverted. This is probably because you are removing what seems to be cited information without an adequate explanation. If the information given is incorrect, you should discuss the matter with other editors on the article talk page(Talk:Wiam Wahhab). 331dot (talk) 14:58, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Partisan source

Hi everyone, I would like to know what can be done in the case that a source being cited for an article, contains partisan views or non-accurate information? Can I request that the source is removed or what should be right course of action? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by KaraMcKinney (talk • contribs) 15:07, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

KaraMcKinney, there is a good essay at Wikipedia:Neutrality of sources about this. In short, bias alone generally isn't reason to remove a source, but reliability is. ~~ Alex Noble - talk 16:06, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

hello

can i remove a block message from my talk page if it is no longer relevant? LanHikari64 (talk) 16:32, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

LanHikari64 Yes, you may remove content from your user talk page.(one exception to this is declined unblock requests while blocked, but once the block is over, those can be removed too.) 331dot (talk) 16:39, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

331dot thank you :) LanHikari64 (talk) 16:42, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

You guys are the best.

Thank you to everyone at wiki. Wikipedia is the best thing that ever happened to internet. Please keep it going the way it is. I understand you guys are facing problems and need more donation and I am sorry I have none of mine. All for now I can give you is this message in order total remind you of your service as a gift and blessing to the this world. I am trying to make it as a scientist on my own and without wiki it would have been twice as difficult. I will donate once I have it. Please keep it on!

Shivesh Dwivedi vns , India — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:204:A382:B253:32C3:35EF:4941:6E15 (talk) 17:03, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Actually, we have plenty of money, so if you have none to spare right now, that's no problem at all. Each year, we ask for a little bit of money and we instead get lots of money. What we really need is help in building our encyclopedia, which is already the biggest and (arguably) best the world has ever seen. Go find an article than can benefit from some improvement. If the improvements are just spelling, formatting, and word choice, just be bold and do it. If instead you wish to add or change content, then please learn about a few of our policies first, especially about reliable sources. A fun way to start is The Wikipedia adventure. It's useful to create an account first. An account is even more anonymous than editing without logging in, and it gives us a way to interact with your on your user talk page.-Arch dude (talk) 19:40, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Arch dude, I concur S Philbrick(Talk) 20:22, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

File:Screenshot of India.png Lol. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.243.22.195 (talk) 04:18, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Take a look at Wikimedia Foundation#Finances. I have no idea what the Indian organization is doing. -Arch dude (talk) 05:30, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Re: the screenshot, I'm puzzled. This appears to be a capture of enwiki, accessed from India. The image was just uploaded, but is this an old pic or is it currently happening? I thought fundraising season was over (I don't get the banner when I access anonymously from the U.S.). I guess it geolocates to determine the text and currency? —[AlanM1(talk)]— 18:40, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

It is going on now. Hence the OP's post.

Andrew Duggan - TV - Cheyenne Show - The Angry Sky - as The BlackJack

Andrew Duggan - TV - Cheyenne Show - The Angry Sky - as The BlackJack — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.110.162.39 (talk) 22:49, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

If this is about one of the Wikipedia articles, please post your suggestion on that article's talk page, along with a clear description of what you want changed. RudolfRed (talk) 22:52, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Template Box Help

Hello! I need a bit of help figuring out what template is being used on a specific wikipedia article. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Council_of_Nagaland What template is being used to hold the information about the NSCN? Thanks in advance 12.203.58.10 (talk) 23:02, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

If you are trying to ask which infobox template is used onthat article, it is {{infobox war faction}}. --David Biddulph (talk) 23:24, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! 12.203.58.10 (talk) 17:55, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Attempting to update a page with information that significantly lacks information

Hey, I keep trying to actively update a page on Wikipedia and it seems that three specific users are preventing updates to the page due to "disruptive editing" on a page that actively has minimal to no content. The page is currently reverted to the original state and locked, despite posting relevant information about the page and publishing supportive references to active websites.

In short, I'm pretty certain the edit was not a disruptive edit and it's critical information to inform others of.

Is there anything I can do, or is this a general issue that cannot be fixed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ZeusChops (talk • contribs) 23:21, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Your edits included no inline citations. Please read Help:Referencing for beginners. --David Biddulph (talk) 23:28, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

So, to confirm, if all I had done was add some inline citations relevant to the references I had added at the bottom, the content otherwise seems fine then? The revision history does not match this at all and I would love to make sure that this is all I need to make changes to once the page opens back up after being locked. --ZeusChops (talk) 23:34, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

If other editors had been able to see which of your added text was supposedly supported by which references they would have been able to assess its acceptability. One of the items which you added to the references section was a Wikipedia article, but Wikipedia is not acceptable as a reference (see WP:CIRCULAR) though where relevant you can include wikilinks. Some parts of the text which you added are not obviously supported by the other addition to the references section. --David Biddulph (talk) 23:44, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

@ZeusChops: When you have questions about a reversion, you should try to start a discussion with the other editors on the article's talk page: see WP:BRD. They will, I hope, tell you in further detail what they think the problem is, and possibly help you solve it. {{ping}} the other editors in your new discussion, and start by assuming good faith (WP:AGF) rather than assuming any sort of sinister motivations. -Arch dude (talk) 23:51, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

• For context, there is some discussion on Ponyo's talk page, in particular this explanation of why a somewhat obscure article suddenly got a lot of attention. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 14:34, 12 February 2020 (UTC)