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March 27

The wrong managing editor is listed for The Coast News

My name is Jordan P. Ingram and I am the managing editor at The Coast News. I have been unable to change the name of the managing editor from the old editor who was fired (Abraham Jewett) to myself, Jordan P. Ingram. I have tried several times to update this information, but in the staff box, it always reverts back to Abraham Jewett, which is incorrect. Please advise and help us get our Wikipedia page to feature only accurate information for our readers. Thank you for your time and consideration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jrdn2020 (talk • contribs) 01:22, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Currently it says Jordan P. Ingram in the box.—Naddruf (talk ~ contribs) 01:54, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

But, Jrdn2020, if you are the managing editor, you are in breach of Wikipedia's Terms of use by editing the article without formally declaring your status as a paid editor Arch dude brought this to your attention on your user talk page two weeks ago. -ColinFine (talk) 10:00, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

@Jrdn2020:As a publisher with a website yourself, you should be able to understand what a "terms of use" policy is, and you should honor ours. Please declare your paid status. Also, you did not remove the prior publisher's name: I did, because we had no source, and the wrong guy was no longer listed at the time you made this new request on the help desk. I did not add your name, because I could find no source. Thank you for supplying a source when you added your name. -Arch dude (talk) 20:40, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Prevent of deletion on Tsvetan Teofanov

Tsvetan Teofanov, who is a Bulgarian Muslim noted for the famous medium authentic Bulgarian translation of the Koran and author of numerous Islamic religious books in Bulgarian. This should not be deleted as he is a major figure in the country on Islam. Fix a little bit on his information. I have tried several times to produce on Tsvetan Teofanov. Discuss on issues about him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slaviasia (talk • contribs) 01:56, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

The article is Tsvetan Teofanov and it is up for a WP:BLPPROD.. Biographies of living people must contain at least one "reliable source that supports at least one statement made about the person in the article. If the biography remains unsourced after seven days, the biography may be deleted." If the articled oes not show notability it may still be deleted even if it is sourced. Meters (talk) 02:04, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

I've tagged two more unsourced BLPs for rte same reason. Meters (talk) 02:11, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Creating an article from scratch is quite difficult, and something that most new users would struggle with. You should probably probably not start there. I suggest that you read WP:FIRST Meters (talk) 02:19, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Requested page move

A Wikipedia article used to be called 1993 Aurora, Colorado, shooting ... with a comma after the word "Colorado". In the past day or so, someone moved the page and renamed it to 1993 Aurora, Colorado shooting ... without a comma after the word "Colorado". The comma is correct and should be there. I tried to "undo" that recent edit. But Wikipedia did not allow me to do so. It said something about "special protection" or the need for an administrator or some such. Please advise. The pertinent Wikipedia policy is WP:MOS#Commas. See the fourth bullet point, where it discusses "geographical references". Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 04:06, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

This is the MOS policy (WP:MOS#Commas):

In geographical references that include multiple levels of subordinate divisions (e.g., city, state/province, country), a comma separates each element and follows the last element unless followed by other punctuation.

Correct: He set October 1, 2011, as the deadline for Chattanooga, Oklahoma, to meet his demands. Incorrect: He set October 1, 2011, as the deadline for Chattanooga, Oklahoma to meet his demands.

Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 04:13, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

The specific error message that I get (when I try to "undo" the edit) is: The edit appears to have already been undone. You may have attempted to undo a page move, protection action or import action; these cannot be undone this way. Any autoconfirmed user can move the page back to its previous location, and any administrator can modify or remove protection. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 04:08, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Joseph A. Spadaro, the way to move a page is stated at H:MOVE. It appears that you've been around 20 times longer than I had; even I'm a bit surprised that you're asking this. But nevertheless I've moved it back and is asking for move protection of this page. Cheers, TLOM (The Lord of Math) (Message) 09:30, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

@The Lord of Math: Thanks for the info. Thanks for the "move". I did try to move the page (by trying to "undo" the edit that moved it in the first place). But ... I got an error message that said "it can't be done". (I did not read the error message carefully; I only scanned it very quickly.) That is why I posted my request here. Only after your comment did I more carefully read the exact error message. Sorry about that. When I read it quickly, I thought that it said "the move cannot be done; and administrator with protection privileges must do it" (or some such). Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 19:51, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Well ... wait a minute. I just gave this some thought. So, I can "move" the page. But, I cannot "undo" the edit. Why is that? I mean, what's the rationale of such a rule/procedure? Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 19:54, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

@Joseph A. Spadaro: A move is a log action and has a "revert" link in the page log of the old title. It just opens a pre-filled move form. Click "View logs for this page" at the top of the page history of the old title to find the link. A move also leaves an entry in the page history but there it just displays as an edit with no change so there is nothing to undo. It's confusing. I think originally the move was only registered in the page log but editors complained so a dummy entry was added to the page history with the move mentioned in the edit summary. Edit summaries can have wikilinks but not a clickable url. A prefilled move form with the new title requires a url so maybe the developers couldn't have added a revert link to the page history without a lot of work. It's usually easier to just start a new move manually than using the revert link in the page log. Per Wikipedia:Moving a page#Moving over a redirect I think you should have been able to move the page back in this case but not in many others. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:49, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Thanks for the clarification and the explanation. It's a bit "above my pay grade" (understanding). But, it does kinda / sorta make some sense. Thank you. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 20:19, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Follow up

An editor above stated that they moved the page back to its original (correct) title ... and that they "move protected" it. I see today that the article has again been moved. (I thought it was "move protected".) How do we solve this? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 20:26, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

@Joseph A. Spadaro: It was move protected but later moved by an administrator.[1] I think WP:MOS#Commas is about sentences in article text and doesn't apply to page names. Talk:2012 Aurora, Colorado shooting#Requested move earlier 5 March 2019 gave no support for two commas in 1993 Aurora, Colorado, shooting or 2012 Aurora, Colorado, shooting. I would also have opposed it. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:46, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: This same exact question / issue arose in another article ... with the opposite results. I'd have to find out the exact name of the article. I will check and reply back here. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk)

Also, why does that MOS only apply to article text, but not to article titles? It doesn't say that. Also, what is the difference between article text and article title, with regard to the correct grammatical rule about the second comma? Why would it be one grammatical way for text, but a different grammatical way for titles? What would be the rationale for the distinction? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 04:04, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

I think that you will find that only the denizens of Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style will know (or much care); I suggest that you ask there. -- Hoary (talk) 05:15, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Good suggestion. I will do that. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 20:08, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, all. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 20:08, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Resolved

Very short stubs?

Hi everyone, I'd like to know if the community is in favour of accepting pretty short but well-sourced articles. An example could be Bryan Pelé. Would these stubs be likely draftified? Thanks. TLOM (The Lord of Math) (Message) 09:19, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Any article where the consensus is that it satisfies the necessary notability guideline and core Wikipedia policies such as verifiability, and cannot reasonably be merged into a larger article should always be kept, no matter its length. So, usually, stubs like the example you mentioned will be kept in mainspace. (There may be fierce disputes over how high the bar for notability should be set, but so long as the article meets it, it should be kept). – Teratix ₵ 10:05, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Teratix, so are pages that are "presumed to be notable" (e.g. they satisfy WP:NFOOTY) but undersourced and short also be accepted? Thanks. TLOM (The Lord of Math) (Message) 10:12, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

This is a question that frequently crops up in policy disputes and AfDs. The important thing to know is that NFOOTY is the type of topic-specific notability guideline that only provides presumed notability (rather than guaranteed notability like, for example, WP:NPROF), and thus if there is consensus at AfD that the article fails GNG, it will be deleted. NFOOTY is a rule of thumb designed to prevent likely-notable subjects from quick deletion, and does not replace GNG. For more information, read the introduction and FAQs of sports notability. – Teratix ₵ 10:22, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

I will add two personal comments that other editors will disagree with. First, draftifying is inherently contentious. I think that it is sometimes appropriate, but that draftifying is sometimes done to avoid a deletion discussion, and can result in move-warring, which is worse. Second, I and some editors prefer the special notability guidelines to general notability, because general notability sometimes results in contentious AFDs or contentious DRVs, and I would prefer to see the presumed notability guidelines made into real notability guidelines. Those are my opinions. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:53, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Create a Wikipedia page for CD PROJEKT RED studio.

CD PROJEKT RED studio currently don't have a separate Wikipedia page. They only have a subsection in CD PROJEKT's (their parent company) page. So as one of the best and leading studios in gaming industry I think they should have a separate Wikipedia page. Even smaller game studios have their own Wikipedia pages..So I think CD PROJEKT RED deserve more than a subsection in their parents' page. Please consider. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ultimate Olympian (talk • contribs) 09:30, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Ultimate Olympian The studio would need to have significant coverage in independent reliable sources on its own in order to merit a standalone Wikipedia article. Please see WP:OSE as to why it is not advisable to cite the existence of other similar articles as a reason for this one to exist. 331dot (talk) 09:54, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Is it right?

Are "Early life" and "Career" sections important for any wikipedia article? Is it right to remove "Early life" and "Career" section of any wikipedia article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 223.230.166.222 (talk) 09:33, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

These matters should be decided on a case-by-case basis; sections on a subject's early life and career are common and usually appropriate, but not always. For example, if an article is extremely short and there would only be a sentence or two in an "early life" section, it should be merged with a larger section. If you are inquiring about a specific article, could you provide a link? – Teratix ₵ 10:10, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Not usually without discussion, and only if they are against policy in some way and unrepairable. Articles are usually the product of several editors over time. Why do you ask? Is there a particular article you have in mind? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 14:05, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Inflation converter

I'm looking for the Template that converts a UK£ value for Year X to its current equivalent but can't find it just now. Can somebody point me to it. Many thanks. KJP1 (talk) 09:49, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

@KJP1: That's the {{Inflation}} template. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:52, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Many thanks indeed. KJP1 (talk) 09:53, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Wrong info on wiki

U have Georgia steel as an actress when she has never acted one day in her life ....she just reality celeb — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:3A8C:C800:7D0E:2E0C:5869:AECF (talk) 12:05, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

THe best place to discuss this is the talk page of the article Georgia Steel.   Maproom (talk) 12:18, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Georgia Steel says she was in All at Sea (TV series) and is educated as an actress. That's enough. I haven't seen her but if she has been in a bunch of different "reality" shows then I bet she also uses acting skills there. She is also called actress by reliable sources, e.g. [2]. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:25, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Not a great source; has its own subsection here and I've not found anything much better but agreed, she should be considered an actress even though it seems she has appeared in only one series on CBBC. Eagleash (talk) 15:52, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Request to repair a BLP page

Can someone with reverting privileges fix this page of an athlete: Oliver Bradwell? All material about his career was removed and replaced with content about a crime he was convicted for. This crime appears to be real and sourced here: https://www-1.kansas.com/news/local/crime/article42750075.html, in a 2015 Wichita Eagle story that describes him as a "documented gang member" and says nothing about him being a sprinter. Oddly, the same newspaper wrote a positive article about his aspirations to go to the Olympics just one year before: https://www-1.kansas.com/sports/article1147371.html, and he is described as the same age, so it's pretty clear he's the same person. The reason I'm asking for help is because I think this should be reverted and the info about the crime added again rather than me just copying and pasting the removed material from the history. Thanks.—Naddruf (talk ~ contribs) 15:05, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

I've reverted it (after fucking up the first attempt somehow), but the material about his... non-athletic pursuits should get included. Matt Deres (talk) 15:17, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! I moved the crime to a new section, so it's not currently in the lead.—Naddruf (talk ~ contribs) 15:25, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Permission to create a Wikipedia page of my father Late Poet Dr. Suryakant Ramchandra Khandekar

Dear Sir/Madam,

I seek your permission to create a Wikipedia page of my father Late Poet Dr. Suryakant Ramchandra Khandekar from Kolhapur, Maharashtra. (1926-1979). He was a Marathi poet, who was awarded Ph.D. for his thesis on "Shahiri Powada". He has become famous for his popular song "Tya Phulanchya Gandakoshi". He had also written lyrics for many Marathi movies. His songs are being sung by many popular singers such as - Asha Bhosale, Pt. Hridayanath Mangeshkar, Kavita Krishnamurthy etc.

For your reference I am sending links of his work. But this information is not complete. In order to know his contribution to the Marathi literature, I want to create a Wikipedia page. https://www.aathavanitli-gani.com/Geetkar/Suryakant_Khandekar https://www.marathisrushti.com/articles/marathi-poet-suryakant-khandekar/

I hope you will grant me permission.

Thanking you,

Mrs. Swaroopa Vijay Rawoot (Khandekar) — Preceding unsigned comment added by K.swaroopa (talk • contribs) 15:40, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

K.swarooa, because you are his daughter, you have a conflict of interest, and thus should not create the page yourself. However, if you are aware of published information about your father, please visit Requested articles and add him and information about where to find published information about him to the section on poets. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 17:47, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply ONUnicorn. K.swaroopa (talk) 04:46, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Splitting an article with a double-barreled title

Bit of an unusual split situation here: I separated Tutusius umlambo and Umzantsia amazana into two separate genus articles Tutusius and Umzantsia. Now what does one do with original article, which bundles both names? Redirecting to one genus or the other (as implemented right now) is a little strange, and having this double title sit there can only mess up search results. I would suggest deleting the redirect, but that would destroy the original text attribution, which is certainly needed after the split. So - keep as redirect to one of the two split targets? Or delete & histmerge? Is there a standard for this kind of situation? --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 16:54, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

(...probably should have moved it to one of the genus names w/o leaving a redirect, then split. Too late now :/ --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 17:22, 27 March 2020 (UTC))

Disambiguation page? ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 17:41, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

@Elmidae: It seems poorly suited for a disambiguation page . A move would have been better. I will make a history merge to Tutusius, delete Tutusius umlambo and Umzantsia amazana, and make new edit summaries to explain the split. Please don't edit any of the three pages until I'm done. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:46, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Done. The two articles can now be edited normally. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:58, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Much obliged :) --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 19:13, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Can I edit the article about a company I work in?

Wikipedia has an article about a company I work in. The article is relatively small, just a couple of paragraphs. Can I expand the article, adding more information about history, services, etc., provided that all the edits serve informational purposes as I keep the tone neutral and marketing free while also giving more context to the article by adding helpful internal links to other Wikipedia pages? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leoklyax (talk • contribs) 18:02, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

@Leoklyax: You may, but it is not recommended. You will need to follow WP:COI and WP:PAID and disclose that you work for the company. RudolfRed (talk) 18:26, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

@Leoklyax: Thanks for asking instead of just barging in: we appreciate it. Strictly speaking, no you cannot (directly) edit that article since you are a paid editor. However, if you request changes on the article's talk page and those changes are as you describe, another editor will come along and add them into the article. You will need to cite reliable sources, though. See WP:RS. -Arch dude (talk) 20:49, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

@Leoklyax: Also note that Wikipedia is not for merely providing information(i.e. "informational purposes"). Wikipedia articles only summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage state about a subject, not what the subject wants to say about itself. 331dot (talk) 20:55, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

@Leoklyax: You'll also want to read WP:EDITREQUEST to see how to request an edit on the talk page. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:25, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Error messages on preview of Portal:Global warming

Hello,

When I preview an edit of Portal:Global warming I get 2 messages:

"Warning: Page using Template:Div col with unknown parameter "1 = 2"; use colwidth= to specify column size (this message is shown only in preview)."

But not being very familiar with portals I am struggling to find out where that template is being used.

Regards

Chidgk1 (talk) 18:11, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

@Chidgk1: The coding of a portal is split across several subpages. Here, the template was being used wrongly by the subpages Portal:Global warming/Categories and Portal:Global warming/Topics. I've fixed them. -- John of Reading (talk) 18:23, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Central Park

Hello:

I have been trying for some time to figure out how to fix this error message- Harv error: no target: CITEREFRosenzweigBlackmar1992 (help)- which appears many times in the article Central Park without success. Can you help?

Many thanks,

Twofingered Typist (talk) 19:18, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

The short-form templates like this one:

{{harvnb|ps=.|Rosenzweig|Blackmar|1992|page=150}} → Rosenzweig & Blackmar 1992, p. 150.

link to a wrapper template:

{{cite Central Park history|ref=harv}} →

Rosenzweig, Roy & Blackmar, Elizabeth (1992). The Park and the People: A History of Central Park. Cornell University Press. ISBN 0-8014-9751-5. {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)

Because {{cite Central Park history}} is a wrapper template (it wraps {{cite book}}), the {{harvnb}} template cannot see what the wrapped template (cite book) is using to make its anchor ID. The fix for this is to test the short-form templates to make sure that they link to the full citation and then mark the short-form templates that work with |ignore-err=yes, like this:

{{harvnb|ps=.|Rosenzweig|Blackmar|1992|page=150|ignore-err=yes}} → Rosenzweig & Blackmar 1992, p. 150.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 19:35, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much! Twofingered Typist (talk) 19:42, 27 March 2020 (UTC)