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August 28

Incorrect Information on SharkNinja page

Hello -

I am the Communications lead for SharkNinja and have been trying, unsuccessfully, to update incorrect information on the SharkNinja page since April. These edits keep getting reverted by the volunteer editors.

Examples of what I am editing:

1) The company was founded in 1994, not 1993. 2) The company is global, not American. We are headquartered in the U.S., but operate in 10 different countries. 3) The company is public, not private. And operates on the Hong Kong Stock Exchange. 4) Any reference to Western Presidio and American Capital need to be removed. 5) The company has 2,000+ patents not 500.

Please let me know how we can expedite these edits.

Best, Michelle — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michanzv (talk • contribs) 02:12, 28 Aug 2021 (UTC)

@Michanzv: First, thank you for finally declaring that you are a paid editor. As such, you should refrain from editing the SharkNinja article altogether; instead, you will need to request your edits at the Talk:SharkNinja page.

Your specific points are better addressed there, but I will note that the founding date has been corrected, after I looked for sources in it. The number of patents may be able to be readily corrected also. The other claims, you'll need to request on the article's talk page. —C.Fred (talk) 02:15, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for this information. I will request the additional updates through the SharkNinja page. User:Michanzv

@Michanzv: More specifically, if you use Wikipedia's edit request system, your request will be put into a backlog that interested editors can take a look at. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:59, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

@Michanzv: Please declare your conflict of interest on your user page with {{Paid}}. When you post edit requests on Talk:SharkNinja, please also provide a source that supports the change, preferably a independent reliable source. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 17:19, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Editing MicroAgressions on BTS - 26 August Billboard Cover

To whoever is editing the BTS wikipedia page, please avoid the inclusion of 26 August 2021 of the Billboard cover as it is not neutral. All the quotes in the articles from twitter users are random trolls who comment on @chartdata on twitter driven by racism and xenophobia. Search it up yourself. Quotes in regarding to any form of chart manipulation are derived from troll users from the western Stan twitter and thus, not a reliable source. Additionally, the writer himself (refer to his twitter) is a known bts anti, thus, the article is NOT written in neutrality and is written with many micro aggressions and racism. If you are white, please understand such inclusion is harmful to the Asian community because it encourages micro-aggressions towards Asians. Neutrality is important in Wikipedia and including information from Stan twitter trolls and antis is a based perspective.

We have approximately 100,000 different editors in any given month, editing over 6 million articles. Very, very few of them read the help desk. To discuss a particular article, use the article's talk page. Make sure you cite reliable sources. -Arch dude (talk) 04:25, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

what to do when some pages are not created

Hi to all, I came across Patrick Soon-Shiong wikipedia article. In the "career" and "investment" section there are names of several companies given founded by him. When I clicked on the link of these companies a pop up appeared stating that "the wikipedia article for this link has not been created yet". Does anyone know how to fix this issues?2409:4064:2C85:A199:0:0:F2CA:850D (talk) 04:49, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

For the red links, articles would have to be created for the companies. Whether they're notable by Wikipedia's standards is another story. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:01, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

According to me links of these companies should be removed but I don't know to remove these false links. Anyone can fix it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4064:2C85:A199:0:0:F2CA:850D (talk) 11:57, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

If you think that these companies do not meet Wikipedia's notability criteria for companies, then you can remove the redlinks. To remove the redlinks with the source editor, you can change [[Company Name]] to Company Name. If you're using the VisualEditor, click the link, then click the red "Remove link" button. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 17:24, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

However, please note, 2409:4064:2C85:A199:0:0:F2CA:850D, that if these companies are potentially notable and someone creates articles for them (with matching titles), the currently-red links will become blue and functional, saving the need to create them.

Wikipedia editors often create red links deliberately as an encouragement and reminder to others or themselves to create articles for those subjects in the future. Before you remove them, please satisfy yourself that in each case the company in question is not notable and unlikely to become so any time soon. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.122.179.94 (talk) 19:05, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

About Deri Lorus

Hi, Iam Dhaneesh Ram, Recently I created article about Famous Tamil musician Deri Lorus, but it is deleted, under criteria G4 that is recreating article that deleted before by discussion, previously article is deleted that is created by blocked user, ofcourse previously Deri Lorus is notable persons is past days, but now he is leading musician in Tamil film industry, You can see article about Deri Lorus in French and Spanish Wikipedia

1. Spanish
2. French

You can know about Deri Lorus in Internet

If he is not notable, then how it is possible to live article in Spanish and French Wikipedia , even He verified on Facebook, Facebook is not verified if he is not notable,

You can see more news and blogs about him, I provided more than 25 sources in article I created previously. I am very strong in my view that Dori Lorus is notable to create article about him , Thank you! Dhaneesh 💙 Ram 07:35, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

@Ram Dhaneesh: - en-Wiki, es-Wiki and fr-Wiki are separate projects. The existence of an article on one is no guarantee that it will be notable enough to exist on another project. For en-Wiki, WP:NMUSICIAN is applicable. Does this person meet NMUSICIAN? I've taken a look at Draft:Deri Lorus (Musician) as it was before it was deleted and it would seem not to meet NMUSICIAN. It maybe that there is other material that can show NMUSICIAN can be met that wasn't in the article at the time it was deleted.

Materialscientist may have erred in deleting the draft under G4 as I am unable to find any deletion discussion. It was also deleted as being created by the banned user Spreadmediaglobal. Draft:Deri Lorus shows that to be correct. Mjroots (talk) 08:54, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

There was a deletion discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Deri Lorus, which appeared to be heading for a consensus to delete, but the article was speedied G5. User:Ram Dhaneesh and User:Mksudalin have put a great deal of effort into re-creating the salted article under different spellings. User:Mksudalin also claims to be Deri Lorus, over at Commons: [1]. Might the two accounts be related in some way? 🙂 2A01:4C8:A1:F08E:BD9A:CCD7:C7BA:DDA6 (talk) 10:30, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

2A01..., thank you for that link. Mjroots (talk)

Please do not compare me with the person who already wrote the article, I'm really sorry to hear that you are saying this, I heard about Deri Lorus and I wanted to write an article about him on Wikipedia, I do not know if there are so many events behind this. I was just trying to write an article on Wikipedia about a worthy person.hope you may understand my feelings about your words.Ram Dhaneesh (talk) 16:32, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

First timer

Hi volunteer team, My family has 3 generations in motorsport in Australia. My father in law (in his 70s) is referenced many times, but with no hyperlink to provide his history. Can I go about setting up the central page of his history that links to all other references? Thanks! Carolyn— Preceding unsigned comment added by ShepShaw (talk • contribs) 28 August 2021 09:29 (UTC)

Hi, ShepShaw, and thanks for the question. I'd say this close a personal relation to the subject gives you a Conflict of interest, which is okay, but something you'd need to mention on your userpage. First-time article writers are best off going through the Article wizard process, but be warned that creating a Wikipedia article from scratch is one of the hardest tasks to do here, and not necessarily your best place to begin. You can see Help:Your first article for some advice. Your starting point would need to be collecting in-depth sources that are independent of your father in law and describe him in significant detail. If you give me his name and any sources you have so far, I could maybe give some quick feedback on them. — Bilorv (talk) 11:26, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi, @ShepShaw: you might also find it useful to start a discussion at WikiProject Australian motorsport - this is a project specifically dedicated to Australian motorsport so you have a good chance of finding people there who have resources to help.--Gronk Oz (talk) 15:48, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Mathamatics

3(4+15 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.114.62.156 (talk) 14:22, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi there! The Help desk is a place to ask questions about using Wikipedia. Do you have a question about Wikipedia? GoingBatty (talk) 17:26, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

There is WP:RDMA for general questions about math. RudolfRed (talk) 17:31, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Is there remedies to relieve Wikipedia addiction in the project page

Hi, I want to ask a fundamental question here. Is there remedies for Wikipedia addiction in the project page? And also what kind of action taken to the victim (user) and how much Wikipedia views on its addiction such as negatively or positively? Thanks! The Supermind (talk) 15:09, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

@The Supermind: Perhaps you're looking for Wikipedia:Wikipediholic? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:35, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Where or How can I ask for people to update the contents of an article to their languages?

The Museum of the Portuguese language caught fire in 2015, taking down all the exhibits. The new, 2021 exhibits are different from the ones before the 2015 fire, so the article should reflect that. I updated the article with the floors and exhibits, but I'd like for this 'update' of sorts to be applied in other Wikipedias as well. How or where can I ask for volunteers to do that in their respective Wikipedias? User:Tetizeraz. Send me a ✉️ ! 15:59, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

User:Tetizeraz you could use the local equivalents of Template:Update and post messages on article talk pages. Unfortunately asking for volunteers is not the same as finding volunteers. TSventon (talk) 16:15, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

retired Russian pornographic star Tatiana Sweet

Hi,

I want to make a Wikipedia page about a retired Russian Pornographic star which I believe is relevant from a cultural perspective in the adult entertainment industry. Of course I am also a fan but I just want all the information about this woman's body of work to be known because she is a very well known star from back in 2007-2009 when she was active.

Could you please give me some clear tips on how I should go about making her page but first of course if the page I want to make is allowed to be made on Wikipedia.

Thank you for helping me.

Greetings,

Alex Nanna — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bralessrunner (talk • contribs) 16:37, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Any notable subject can have an article on Wikipedia. Notability, by our definition, is the only absolute criterion. Before you start, please carefully read and understand WP:GNG and WP:NACTOR. If you are then fairly sure you can demonstrate notability by reference to multiple appropriate reliable sources (see WP:CSMN), proceed to WP:YFA. -Arch dude (talk) 17:26, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

What to do if a reliable source... is wrong.

Hi everybody, any suggestion on what to do if an official statement by someone (in my case something written on the Official Website of a musical band) contradicts a source that is generally considered reliable (in my case NME)? How can I prevent users from "rightfully" re-adding the wrong information provided by the second source? Thanks!

FilBenLeafBoy (Let's Talk!) 18:45, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

@FilBenLeafBoy: We can give better answers if you link to the article, and avoid cryptic initialisms. Generally, when two valid sources disagree, the article should include both and mention the disagreement. Also in general, you should discuss this with the other editor(s) on the article's talk page. -Arch dude (talk) 17:18, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

@Arch dude: Since FilBenLeafBoy mentioned a musical band, see NME for the likely source. GoingBatty (talk) 17:31, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

"Cryptic initialism"? NME is the name of the source. JIP | Talk 17:48, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi! GoingBatty and JIP thank you very much for clarifying my message. I didn't refer to the specific article because I thought that considering the more general case would have made the discussion more useful to other users with a similar problem, my fault. Anyway the article is that about "Atlas (Coldplay song)". It says that the song is the first Coldplay record written for a film (and this is not true because the 2008 song "The Escapist" had also been written for a motion picture, the eponymous film of the same year. There are interviews with the band where they discuss this.) The page also claims that "Atlas" was written specifically for The Hunger Games: Catching Fire, while this page seems to say that the song had originally been written for Ghost Stories and only later it was decided to use it only for the soundtrack. However, what we read in the Wikipedia article has a "reliable" source, this NME article. FilBenLeafBoy (Let's Talk!) 22:57, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

I would have to say that you should follow: WP:Bold, revert, discuss. In other words, you boldly blot out the wrong info, wait for it to be reinstated, then begin a conversation on the Talk page to settle the matter. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 21:26, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Better to leave either a hidden comment or a note in the talk page or both, explaining why you did what you did. Clarityfiend (talk) 22:50, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

@FilBenLeafBoy: I think the fact that the band made an incorrect claim is a useful bit if information. If you agree, then leave it in with attributions and refutation, as "the band claims X. However, Y". This also tends to keep later editors from removing Y and replacing it with X. -Arch dude (talk) 01:33, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

@Arch dude: Maybe my message was again not well understood. I'm Italian, so maybe my English writing is not clear enough. What I'm saying is that the band can't be wrong! They recorded the songs, they must know what happened during the recordings! The problem is that a source generally considered to be reliable, the music magazine NME, gave wrong info about that musical piece. Anyway, thanks to all for your help! FilBenLeafBoy (Let's Talk!) 13:04, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

@FilBenLeafBoy: You could also write "NME wrote X. However, the band stated Y." with a reference for each. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 13:22, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

@FilBenLeafBoy: There's a couple of essays dealing with this, it happens on a regular basis. WP:Conflicting sources is an essay giving a general overview of what to do, Wikipedia:These are not original research#Conflict between sources gives a bit more advice, but framed in terms of "does evaluating conflicting sources involve original reasearch?". Perhaps one of those will help? 192.76.8.74 (talk) 18:59, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Redirect help please

Haven't edited in this way for ages, so can't remember how to do it!

I have made a new page for the Talking Sopranos podcast. Currently Talking Sopranos redirects to a section in the Sopranos page. I can't work out how to edit it so that I can add my material to a new page specifically for the Talking Sopranos podcast. Help please! Stronach (talk)

• It's okay I worked it out! Thanks anyhow! Stronach (talk) 19:58, 28 August 2021 (UTC)