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September 2

Robert Lacey

Please help with ref number 14 (and number 15 does not look right either) thanks 49.3.153.231 (talk) 05:30, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

 Done The name of the publisher is not a valid date, Eagleash (talk) 07:05, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Michael Middleton (British businessman)

Sorry, I have added a book in the "Further reading" section - no good at all - please fix - we have all tried. Thanks 49.3.153.231 (talk) 05:30, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

That oughta do it. Note that I've amended both the URL and the ISBN, as the original values were invalid. Actually I managed to confuse myself here, but it should link the correct title now. AngryHarpy‍^talk 07:00, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

What to do when users won't reply and slow down the editing process?

Hi. I am unfortunately arguing on a talk page about a controversial figure. I have tried to exhaustively and cautiously make my messages so that they get my point across most effectively but many of the users are sluggish and even unresponsive with my comments. They are slowing down the editing process and essentially dispossessing me of my right to add undisputed and correct information that has little bias and conforms to Wikipedia's rules. Are there any suggestions you have? ButterSlipper (talk) 07:12, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Perhaps they're in different time zones from you. Or have other things to do as well. Be patient. Bazza (talk) 08:05, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

ButterSlipper That's the way you see it, perhaps the other party sees it very differently. Nothing is without bias, this is why sources are required. Wikipedia has not deadlines, so there is no rush. 331dot (talk) 08:36, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Right. [[User:ButterSlipper we are here for the long term. There's no hurry. Unless it's a very recent event, a couple weeks won't make any different. We've been here for about 20 years and Providence will be here another 20. Do something else, and come back in a couple weeks or so, if they'd haven't responded by then I suppose you can take that as assent. Herostratus (talk) 00:55, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

Renaming an article that does not have a "more/move" tab

Hello,

I'm trying to rename a page that does not have a "more/move" tab. There is one for the "talk" page but not for the article. The name of the article is called "Globe Life Park in Arlington". Its new name should be called "Choctaw Stadium". I added references in regards to the name change. Can someone help me with this? Thank You...

Roberto221 (talk) 09:06, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi Roberto221 as you can see from the page log it was move protected in 2014 due to repeated move vandalism, so only a sysop can move the page. I suggest you ask at WP:Requested moves, unless a sysop reading this page picks up your request - Best wishes - Arjayay (talk) 09:11, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Create new Wikipedia page for a specific artist

Hello:)

This is the first time I am trying to create a page for a specific artist, but I have to admit I am overwhelmed by the many categories.

I REALLY need some guidance as to where I create the page... Once I know it's a lot easier to read all the guidelines linked up to the specific place on Wikipedia and how to follow the rules and regulations there.

Hopefully someone can help me out and guide me to the correct place.

In Short, there is a lot of web sites on the net for the artist in question and some has a link to Wikipedia where the artist bio is supposed to be added in addition to any other info related to the artist. I need to know where to begin as well as to get some info about templates I noticed and might be of interest for the project.

Thank you for your time:)

Warm regards The Online ID Verifier — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Online ID verifier (talk • contribs) 10:17, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

It is wise to gain experience of editing existing articles before trying to create a new article. Advice on the latter is at WP:Your first article. - David Biddulph (talk) 11:02, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello, The Online ID verifier. I would echo what David Biddulph says. Creating a new Wikipedia article is much harder than most people imagine: anybody may do it, but that doesn't mean that you can be successful at it without practice and experience. What we are doing is writing articles in a world encyclopaedia: this is very different from creating a profile on social media. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. The very first task in creating an article is finding such independent sources (probably few or none of the websites you refer to are independent in that way): if you can't find any, then you'll know that the subject does not currently meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and any further time or effort you spend on the project will be wasted. If you can find them, then you can try creating a draft, based entirely on what those independent sources say, not on what the subject or their associates say or want to say. --ColinFine (talk) 15:08, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Claim of page and ownership

Good day

Is it possible to take ownership of a page and restrict editing on the page? Affies (talk) 10:56, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

No, you can't take ownership of a page, see WP:OWN. The page can be protected if subjected to persistent vandalism. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:58, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

@Affies: most folks who would like to "take ownership" are more restricted, not less. They are strongly advised to not edit the article directly (see WP:COI). If you have a COI, please do not edit the article. Instead, declare the COI on your user page and make suggestions for changes and improvements on the article's talk page. -Arch dude (talk) 15:26, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

@Affies: I'm curious as to the reason for your question. 331dot (talk) 15:35, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Dontae Sharpe

I think Dontae Sharpe should be included in the List of wrongful convictions in the United States but don't know how to handle the page. Proxima Centauri (talk) 10:56, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

@Proxima Centauri: The article does not (yet) say that his conviction has been overturned or that he has been pardoned. Unless the page can now be updated to that effect (fully referenced), it can only state (as it does) that he is seeking a pardon. The existing references need to be placed inline at the points in the text which they are intended to support. His name should not be added to the list pahge you mention until it has actually happened. Edit that (when the time comes) by viewing the source in the appripriate section and add Sharpe's details in the same format as the other entries. If you have problems please feel fre to return here for advice / help. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 11:40, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

I would note that a pardon does not wipe away a conviction as if it never existed; accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt. This is why Rosa Parks resisted being pardoned. 331dot (talk) 17:52, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

How do I report an IP?

I found Wikborg Rein article was edited(and manipulated) by an IP belonging to that company.[1] 212.71.78.130 How can I report it? --Greatder (talk) 11:15, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

@Greatder: Hi there! You can add {{connected contributor (paid)}} to the article's talk page: Talk:Wikborg Rein. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:03, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: I think I messed up, could you check the talk page? --Greatder (talk) 07:20, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

@Greatder: your post might be a violation of WP:OUTING. I mean, it is not really hard to do an IP lookup and you did not even link properly to the results, but still. "Based on easily-obtained off-wiki evidence, I believe [IP] is a paid editor" would be OK I believe.

Furthermore, I am afraid GoingBatty’s advice was incorrect, or at the very least disputable. {{connected contributor (paid)}} is, I believe, to be used only either by the paid contributor themselves or when they clearly stated their status. One of the problems is that even if the client is easily identified (in this case, the law firm), the employer is not (is it someone from the internal comms department, or an outside shop?). {{Undisclosed paid}} might be a more appropriate template, however...

...I will nominate the article for AfD shortly, since I can find no usable sources online to show notability. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 09:07, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Isn't reporting IP and name pretty close and generally encouraged to be reported because of CoI? Sad the article is going as it seemed to be a pretty alright article before the IP edits. --Greatder (talk) 09:18, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Need Help Posting A New Article

I have read through all of the wikipedia article help pages, and I am having trouble figuring out how to start it, I already drafted the article in Word, but there are tables and things like that, that I am unsure of how to complete. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ElizabethJamey (talk • contribs)

@ElizabethJamey: Hi there! I suggest you follow the instructions in Help:Your first article to get started, and then follow the instructions at Help:Wikitable for creating tables. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:07, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

@ElizabethJamey: Wikipedia stores articles in Wikitext rather than a proprietary format such as the one Word uses. You will need to learn how to edit Wikitext directly as many of us do, or learn our visual editor. Before you do anything else, please make sure the subject of your article is notable by our definition (WP:N) by finding suitable reliable published sources. This is easy to mess up (WP:CSMN). If we do not agree that the subject is notable, your article will be deleted and your effort will be wasted. -Arch dude (talk) 15:17, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello, ElizabethJamey. I suggest you read the replies to #Create new Wikipedia page for a specific artist, or you may be at risk of putting in a lot of wasted work. (If this is about Draft:Zombie House Flipping, you currently do not have a single independent source. This is like trying to build a house without building the foundations, or even surveying the site to see if it is stable enough to build on). --ColinFine (talk) 15:14, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Polychain Capital

I'm not sure why one of my articles is tagged as COI. I am not affiliated with Polychain Capital. Is there a way to remove this tag? Imcdc (talk) 13:12, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

@Imcdc: I suggest you ask your question on the article's talk page - Talk:Polychain Capital - and invite MrsSnoozyTurtle to explain why she added the tag. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:09, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

2022 in American Music

Can you fix the error i made please. 98.186.54.177 (talk) 13:27, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

What error? Nitesh003(TALK) 13:28, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi there! Looking at the article history, it appears there have been multiple fixes made in the 2022 in American music article:

1. HappyAppy10 fixed your link and reference errors in this edit
2. another IP user removed Brockhampton in this edit because you did not provide a reference
3. I fixed your link (and someone else's spelling mistake) in this edit

Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:19, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Tool to move refs into the reflist?

Some articles with extensive (exhaustive?!) referencing are difficult to edit because the running text is hidden in a morass of refs with citation templates. This problem as become worse as bots enthusiastically add archive links to the templates. I have manually moved refs into the reflist per WP:LDR in extreme cases, but it is very tedious. Is there a tool for this? -Arch dude (talk) 15:39, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

(UPDATE) I found User:Kaniivel/Reference Organizer. Now to see if I can make it work... -Arch dude (talk)

Something I'd find really useful is a version of a Wikipedia editor which displayed anything like (to a first approximation) <ref[^>]*>[^<]*<ref[^.]+> by R; and allowed the editor to "open up" the red R by clicking on it. Maybe there already is such an editor, but I haven't come across it. Maproom (talk) 16:29, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

I'm sure that you, as experienced editors, are familiar with it but for others I'd mention that toggling "on" the syntax highlighting (pen icon left of the word "Advanced" at the top of the source editor) colours everything in the edit box and makes it much easier to distinguish references from article text (which remains in black). Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:42, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Just be aware that WP:RETAIN is a thing, not everyone will be cool with the refs being moved. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:43, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

You may mean WP:CITEVAR, rather than WP:RETAIN? --David Biddulph (talk) 17:29, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Bisexuality Article

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisexuality

This article currently contains harmful, biphobic, incorrect information regarding the content.

"Bisexuality is romantic attraction, sexual attraction, or sexual behavior toward both males and females,[1][2][3] or to more than one gender.[4] It may also be defined as romantic or sexual attraction to people of any sex or gender identity, which is also known as pansexuality"

Specifically this is the section that I am referencing. Bisexuality and pansexuality are two different sexualities, and to equate them on the internets widest and largest, most used, source of information is harmful and homophobic. This article is currently semi-protected. This is either a gross damaging oversight, or an intentional misleading edit by editors.

This needs to be rectified.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.253.13.149 (talk)

You have already started a discussion on that article's talk page, which is the right place for it. RudolfRed (talk) 17:35, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi there! Thank you for your interest in improving Wikipedia! As you can see on Talk:Bisexuality, several people have posted similar concerns. I suggest making a follow up post there specifying exactly what change you want to be made, and provide reliable sources that are better than [5][6][7] already in the article. Thanks, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 17:58, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Ida effects to the Northeastern US

Are the effects of Ida to the northeast alone significant enough to warrant a stand-alone article? The events are truly historic and unprecedented as demonstrated from various reliable sources. Thanks, EDG 543 ^{(message me)} 18:55, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

@EDG 543: Hi there! I suggest you continue expanding the two "Northeast" sections on Hurricane Ida, and then post on Talk:Hurricane Ida if you have a suggestion to expand into a stand-alone article. Hope you're safe, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 19:46, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Whitewashing

How do you deal with a lone editor who wants to white wash an article of relevant proven and documented info and accuses you of edit warring? --Bojackh (talk) 21:01, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

@Bojackh: You can discuss on the article talk page, or the other editor's page. If that doesn't work, see Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:34, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi User:Bojackh. So, if you want your colleagues to consider your complaint, I'd suggest not having your usepage consist entirely of a link to some porno video, particularly when you don't warn what it is. It doesn't make some of us feel super warm about helping you. You're working in a pretty fraught article, Killing of Ahmaud Arbery. Near as I can figure this is a black guy who was minding his own business and was murdered in cold blood (allegedly, I think they've been indicted but not convicted) by three white guys, and there was a coverup. You're trying to put in stuff indicating the victim had mental health problems in the lede, and you're being told no, that your sources aren't OK and that the lede has been extensively worked over and discussed. Since you want it in the lede, I'd just say that some people might consider this to be racist trolling. Maybe it's not, but it's not the kind of thing that, if people start to think that, is going to be super great for your future career here.

You seem to feel pretty strongly about the subject, so what I'd suggest is letting the article go and instead working on something that you don't have an emotional involvement in. Category:Wikipedia articles needing copy edit could use a hand and give you useful experience, for instance. Herostratus (talk) 01:31, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

Wrong data and facts

Hello,

Today I see that Wikipedia shows and missing some data inside "List of fastest production cars by acceleration" article which is last edited on 1 September 2021, at 23:41 (UTC). This article does not show "Rimac Nevera" electric car in any parts inside article. Rimac Nevera need to be first at article parts "By 60 mph (97 km/h)", "By 1/4 mile" and "By 0–100 km/h (0–62 mph)".

YT channel "Drag Times" test Rimac Nevera at race track which is used for official drag race events.

Wikipedia page: List of fastest production cars by acceleration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.207.95.177 (talk) 21:29, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit. If you have a reliable source for this info, feel free to add it yourself. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:33, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello IP editor! If you are unable to edit the article yourself, you may also post your suggestion on the article talk page - Talk:List of fastest production cars by acceleration - along with a reliable source. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 23:27, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

To add onto this, if you follow the edit request process it's more likely an interested editor will look at it. Just be sure to provide that reliable source and say exactly what you want to change something to. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:49, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

Reducing image size

Hi, where can I find guidance on limits of fair use image size? I'm using a flyer with a hand drawn picture of possible suspect (about 3 million of these were distributed) in article about a killing - Killing of Roberta 'Bibi' Lee. The flyer has images of the missing person and the suspect with descriptions. It would be great if the text was readable. It's not after a bot reduction of the original image. I uploaded it at 172kb and its been reduced to 101kb. Thank you. Rybkovich (talk) 21:41, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Rybkovich, I am not an expert and am also interested in an authoritative answer, but according to WP:IMAGERES within the WP:Non-free content guideline, if the image needs to be kept at full size due to loss of important details, a {{non-free no reduce}} template can be added to the image rationale page to prevent automatic resizing. That might be the case, taking the text to be critical detail which requires the image to be kept at legible resolution. If otherwise, and the guideline requires downscaling, (factual) text that is illegible after resizing should be duplicated in the image description page. – Anon423 (talk) 23:45, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

@Anon423: Thanks a lot for your advice, I uploaded a little bigger version where the text was readable added {{non-free no reduce}}, and {{non-free promotional}} - that was the best analogy I could think of. Rybkovich (talk) 19:21, 5 September 2021 (UTC)