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February 4

No one is responding to my merger proposal. Help me.

I'm talking about this: Talk:Domestic policy of the Stephen Harper government#Merger proposal.

Only one other person other than me responded. Definitely not enough people to make a decision. What to do? Ak-eater06 (talk) 00:42, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

@Ak-eater06: Hi there! You could post a neutral message at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Governments of Canada asking interested editors to participate at the merger proposal. GoingBatty (talk) 00:48, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

User:GoingBatty no one responds there. Also if I ask specific editors that would be canvassing.

Is it possible I could resort to Wikipedia:Proposed article mergers? Ak-eater06 (talk) 00:51, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

@Ak-eater06: Yes. GoingBatty (talk) 01:04, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

@Ak-eater06: Why would you ask specific editors? You can simply just ask there and say that any editors who are interested are invited to participate without mentioning anyone specific. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 02:14, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

User:Blaze Wolf no one comments on that page anyway. Ak-eater06 (talk) 02:19, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

I would say mention it there anyway, can't hurt. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 10:56, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

A lot of times on WikiProjects, people just respond where they are pointed to. There is no need to comment multiple times, or across multiple pages. Happy editing--IAmChaos 02:54, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

How to "Wikipedia"?

Hello everyone. I wanted to learn everything about Wikipedia and how it works. Whenever I go to a Wikipedia rule article, it has a lot of complex words and links that confuse me in what to read. I want to learn how to edit, code, and anything pertaining to users. Where do I start? --Likhasik (talk) 04:55, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

@Likhasik, Welcome! Try these: WP:TWA and WP:TUTORIAL. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:28, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

How to put myself on wikipedia

Hello

I am a social worker from India and I want to put/ publish about myself and my work on Wikipedia

Kindly advise

Thanks Ranjit — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ranjit Bhatti (talk • contribs) 05:04, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not the place to WP:SELFPROMOTE yourself. Go elsewhere for that. Clarityfiend (talk) 05:34, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

I’m a producer and artist and i need to like my account

Please can you help me I’m mentioned in verified people’s work for woke I have done my self I’m working on coordinating all my data. Please can you help me — Preceding unsigned comment added by YMWP (talk • contribs) 11:59, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

I'm sorry, YMWP, but you seem to be confusing Wikipedia with social media. This is an encyclopaedia, whose purpose is to contain neutral, well-sourced articles about notable subjects. If you meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, then somebody could write an article about you: ideally, you should not write it. Whoever writes such an article, it will not be your article, and will not be for you to promote or publicise yourself. Please also see an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. --ColinFine (talk) 12:30, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Help!

Hi guys. I'm relatively new to this so I really need help setting up my first article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jos%C3%A9_Catal%C3%A3o). I created it via Article Wizard, and now I cant quite figure out if it's been approved or not and if it's already considered an article. Furthermore, I wanted to change the title, cause right now it appears as a user page with the title "User: José Catalão". My goal is to set this article up so I can add it as a new EN language to a Portuguese page. If anyone can help me out, i'd really appreciate it! Cheers! — Preceding unsigned comment added by José Catalão (talk • contribs) 12:34, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

You might want to read Wikipedia:So you made a userspace draft or Wikipedia:Your first article for more information. However, I can tell you that if you posted this article to the main article space, it would be quickly deleted. That is because it does not follow the MOST IMPORTANT rule at Wikipedia for articles. See WP:42, which in a nutshell says that an article should only exist if the subject of the article has been the subject of significant independent writing outside of Wikipedia. That means that people who have no connection to the subject have written about it extensively and that writing has been done in reliable sources. Your new article shows no sources whatsoever. We need to know where the information comes from, and if it only comes from the company itself, then it is not appropriate for inclusion in Wikipedia. --Jayron32 12:49, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

That page is not appropriate for a user page, and would be liable for deletion under criterion U5. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:55, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Eh. It's clearly an attempted article draft. A poor one that needs a lot of work, and possibly may even have little chance of getting to the article state, but it is a draft. --Jayron32 14:05, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

I have moved the draft article to Draft:Banco Finantia. Thank you for disclosing the fact that you were paid to create that draft. As others have mentioned, the draft as it stands will not be accepted because you don't cite any sources. I have provided some additional information on your talk page, but in short, please cite some sources for the information in the draft. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 14:15, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

And José Catalão subsequently moved it to Finantia Bank, which as a paid contributor they should not have done (see WP:COIEDIT). --ColinFine (talk) 17:33, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Sources

picking up sources. Such as this: https://www.pet.cam.ac.uk/telephone-campaign-2022....how is it that WIkipedia has not noticed or included a credible source, yet uses unreliable sources such as Andrew Roth, who was not much more than a gossip journalist — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hammell11 (talk • contribs) 13:49, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Your link gives a 404 error, and it isn't clear what you are asking. If you wish to discuss a particular Wikipedia article, the place to do it ison the article's talk page. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:59, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Also, if you'd like a source reviewed, WP:RSN is the place to do it. Lots of people add lots of things to Wikipedia every second of every day. Sometimes, what they add is shit. That doesn't mean it should be there or used as a standard of propriety. In other words, just because you find something wrong in Wikipedia doesn't mean you should add more wrong things. Instead, what you should do is "fix the first wrong thing". --Jayron32 14:04, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Copyright https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kay_Firth-Butterfield

I put my image on my page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kay_Firth-Butterfield, but it has been taken down for copyright reasons. I paid for the images to be take by a professional photographer and the contract with he shows that the images belong to me once i have paid for them, which i have. Thus, i own the copyright and so i dont know why the image was removed. Please could you tell me what to do to have it re-instated and not have it removed again? Thanks K — Preceding unsigned comment added by K200620 (talk • contribs) 15:22, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

You're a qualified lawyer and understand how copyright works, that helps a lot. But you'll need to convince the people over at Wikimedia Commons that you own the copyright. It will involve some tedious bureaucracy. Maproom (talk) 16:00, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

@K200620: Your User talkpage on Wikimedia Commons and Commons:VRT/CONSENT have more information. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:18, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

If nothing else, lawyers understand tedious bureaucracy. One might say it defines them. --Jayron32 17:26, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

@K200620: Also, please note that it is not your page, it is Wikipedia's encyclopedia article about you. Because you have a conflict of interest, you should declare it on your user page. Instead of editing the article directly, you may submit suggestions on Talk:Kay Firth-Butterfield with the {{edit request}} template, or you may use the Wikipedia:Edit Request Wizard. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 18:05, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

I don't belive you are whom you claim you are due to improper capitalization, something someone with an MA would not have a problem with.

Hcoder3104 (talk) 20:18, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

@Hcoder3104: In no way was that productive.
@K200620: As others have noted, the picture is better discussed on Wikipedia's sister project Commons, and directly editing the article about you is strongly discouraged (making edit requests is recommended). —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:31, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

@K200620: I will note that paying for pictures is not the same as paying for a copyright release. I'm sure they will get this straightened out at Commons. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 12:40, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

New draft

Hi. I'm ZX2006XZ. I just created a new draft but I'm having trouble finding references. Could you help me out? Here's the draft by the way:

ZX2006XZ (talk) 16:30, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

If you are having trouble finding references, that is a strong indication that the article won't meet Wikipedia notability criteria. Next time, I suggest you look for references first, and then create a draft if you can find them. That way, you won't have yet another draft rejected for non-notability. AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:40, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Downloaded PDF's of Wikipedia articles

When I read a PDF of a Wikipedia article in Adobe Acrobat Reader DC and if I close the article before finishing it, it does not save my page in the article so when I reopen it, it starts from the first page again. This is not normal for PDFs. Can Wikipedia address this?

96.11.208.35 (talk) 19:18, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi there! How are you obtaining the PDF of a Wikipedia article? If you are creating it yourself, then you'll have to address this with the help desk for the software you're using for creation and/or display. Happy reading! GoingBatty (talk) 19:47, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

@GoingBatty I am not creating any PDF's myself, every Wikipedia article has an option on the left to download the PDF so that is what I use.

96.11.208.35 (talk) 22:53, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification! I went to the Batman article and clicked the "Download as PDF" and downloaded it. I then opened the file in Foxit PDF Reader (I don't use Adobe Reader), scrolled half way down, and closed the program. I then reopened the file in Foxit Reader, and it opened it where I left off. For which articles are you experiencing this issue? GoingBatty (talk) 01:03, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

In my experience it has been with all Wikipedia articles I have downloaded. For one example, the American Revolution.

96.11.208.35 (talk) 03:28, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

The PDF of the American Revolution works fine for me in Foxit. Maybe someone else here will be willing to try Adobe Reader. GoingBatty (talk) 04:10, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

All I really wanted was to report this issue to Wikipedia because it seems there is an engineering issue with the PDF's of articles that Wikipedia produces. I do not want to use Foxit. I had tried contacting Wikipedia directly and they said they can't help me with this and to post it on here. There is no way to give this feedback to Wikipedia's engineering team?

96.11.208.35 (talk) 21:18, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

How/where did you "contact Wikipedia directly"? You could also try Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) if you don't receive an answer here. GoingBatty (talk) 04:17, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

I've tried Acrobat Reader DC Build: 21.11.20039.0 and Acrobat Pro DC Build: 21.11.20039.0 on a MacBook running Mac OS Big Sur 11.6.3. Both Reader and Pro re-open the pdf on the first page. Preview on the other hand opens the same documents at the page where I was when I closed them. This is true for any pdf I tried, both generated from Wikipedia and not. Vexations (talk) 22:28, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

There is a preference setting in Acrobat Reader DC to re-open PDF's on the last viewed page. I have this setting on. Normally for me, PDF's always re-open on the last viewed page in Acrobat Reader DC. However, not so for Wikipedia article PDF's. I tried it with Preview and it re-opened on the last viewed page.

96.11.208.35 (talk) 00:41, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi IP user. A work-around that may be useful is to use the link just below the "Download as pdf" option to instead obtain a "printable version". Your PC should have an option to print-to-pdf (i.e. use a print driver that gives pdf output rather than a printer file). Such a pdf may well be better-behaved than the default Wikipedia file. In addition, using that option allows you to print just a selection of pages from the article, which may be helpful in some cases of long articles. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:42, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

@MikeTurnbull Thanks, creating a PDF that way did fix the problem. Still would be nice if Wikipedia's engineers did something about this if other users have the same problem, that is why I was trying to leave feedback for them.

96.11.208.35 (talk) 16:41, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Road to 30/500

I would like to know, is there anyway I can view the number of edits I have made? Hcoder3104 (talk) 20:15, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

@Hcoder3104: Yes. At the bottom of Special:Contributions/Hcoder3104 there is a link to a page that shows your edit count and other stats. RudolfRed (talk) 20:20, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! Hcoder3104 (talk) 20:25, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

@RudolfRed I am unable to locate the page link. What would it be tagged as? Hcoder3104 (talk) 20:28, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

@Hcoder3104: The link RudolfRed referred to is called "Edit count".

You can also click on the Preferences link at the top right of any page to see your number of edits and when you registered. GoingBatty (talk) 20:31, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

@Hcoder3104: I see you are Canadian. The link and many other customized parts of the interface disappear if you have chosen Canadian English as language at Special:Preferences. The default English works better. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:49, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

What do we have against Canadians? (Kidding.) 73.127.147.187 (talk) 12:43, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

I still remember that one time there was a bug in British English as a language and everything came up Welsh. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:33, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Tenryuu Llywelyn ap Gruffudd lives!Naraht (talk) 22:25, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

How to eventually publish my edits

Hi, I'm a new user so, sorry, I might be asking some very basic questions, pardon me. But I am the president of a community theater that has been successful for over 25 years. I'm finally trying to create a Wikipedia page for our theater. So I created a login, then subsequently logged in, and then created the page for our theater, which is The Actors' Group. I'm continuously updating it in the edit function by writing a bit and then publishing it (it will take me some time to finish as I'm dedicating just an hour or so mostly every day and I envision a very long page). But as I've been doing this it has dawned on me as to how do I eventually submit it to you for your review? Do I need to do something else? I see the sandbox and I don't know if I've done anything there or need to. Sorry, if you could provide some clarity as I don't want to write a Bible on the page and then realize I should've done something else, know what I mean? Thank you so much! EricEnemoto (talk) 20:30, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

@Enemoto: Hi Eric! No need to apologize for asking questions - that's what this page is for! If you haven't done so already, I suggest you review Wikipedia:Conflict of interest (COI), and declare your COI on your user page.

When you're ready to have the page reviewed, you can move it from User:Enemoto/sandbox/The Actors' Group to Draft:The Actors' Group and add {{subst:submit}} to the top. However, if you were to submit your draft as is, it would quickly be declined because is has no references. Wikipedia articles need to be based on multiple independent reliable sources that provide significant coverage about the topic, not based on your own knowledge. When writing a draft of an article, an editor should first gather the references and them summarize/paraphrase what they state. For lots more information, please read Wikipedia:Your first article. Hope this helps! GoingBatty (talk) 20:38, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

@Enemoto: Also, is File:Eric Nemoto.jpg really your "own work", or is is just a photograph of a screen showing your IMDb photo? Wikipedia has strong policies about copyright - see Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials. GoingBatty (talk) 20:43, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Enemoto. I'm sorry to break this to you, but I'm afraid you have made the classic beginner's mistake in creating an article, of writing what you know rather than finding independent sources. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. I suggest you save all the text you have written, to publish it elsewhere, and begin again by finding independent sources that discuss your theatre in depth, and write an article based entirely on what they say, not on what you know. --ColinFine (talk) 00:08, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Alice in Wonderland syndrome

I want to add research data to Alice in Wonderland syndrome. Can you help me? Best wishes Stefan— Preceding unsigned comment added by Stefan Bittmann (talk • contribs)

Not if it's unpublished research. See WP:No original research. Clarityfiend (talk) 22:55, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Stefan Bittmann Alice in Wonderland syndrome is open for you to edit. Please remember to cite your sources for all information you add to it. If you don't know how to cite sources, here is a beginner's guide to citing sources. Please also familiarize yourself with our policy on original research, and do not add research data that you collected from experiments you did yourself. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 22:59, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Stefan Bittmann the article talk page also advises following Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Medicine-related articles and Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources (medicine). TSventon (talk) 14:03, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Removing the definite article

As a good little Wikipedian, I recently moved the article 'The Orchid Line' to Orchid Line, as per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (definite or indefinite article at beginning of name). I have since realised that the article is linked (and remains linked) to a Wikidata item The Orchid Line, and to a Commons:Category:The Orchid Line.

I note that the Wikipedia policy refers specifically to 'articles'. Does the Wikipedia policy cover Wikidata and Commons? Even if not, do I have any moral obligation to keep those titles in sync? --Verbarson ^talk_edits 23:09, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

No, as Wikidata and Commons are different projects and not bound by en.wp's policies. (This also applies to other language editions of Wikipedia.) —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 23:38, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Also note, Verbarson, that both Commons and Wikidata are multilingual projects, so the title of an item in one particular language is not of any great significance. In Wikidata, it is the D number that identifies the item, and labels in different languages may be added (and edited). I'm not sure how this works in Commons categories. --ColinFine (talk) 00:12, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

OK, I was wrong about Commons categories: C:COM:Categories#Category names says Category names should generally be in English. --ColinFine (talk) 00:17, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Verbarson, updating the English label on Wikidata is quite easy, so I have done so. Commons is a separate project and you are not obliged to update their categories, but if you wanted to, there is information at Commons:Commons:Rename a category. As a Commons novice, I would go for a requested move, rather than moving the category manually. TSventon (talk) 14:20, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

If the definite article is part of the official name, then it should be kept (like in "The New York Times" and "The Washington Post"). If the definite article was really intended to be part of any official name, then for a grammatical reason: Orchid is the modifier of Line. -Mardus /talk 07:16, 12 February 2022 (UTC)