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November 2

Criteria for inclusion of standalone lists

List of states with limited recognition has a specific criteria for inclusion but does not cite any source for it. Does the criteria for inclusion needs to be cited and supported by a source or it this something that could be arbitrary according to consensus? StellarHalo (talk) 03:40, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, StellarHalo. Consensus is the predominant form of decision making on Wikipedia, so I do not accept your description of consensus as "arbitrary". List criteria are written by editors interested in the list. The criteria should reflect the discussion in the real world about such topics. So, "women in Wisconsin who are over six feet tall and have brown eyes" would not be an acceptable list article because reliable sources do not discuss that group of people. On the other hand, reliable sources do write about and compare and contrast "states with limited recognition", so that list seems legitimate to me. If you think that the list criteria should be changed, make that proposal on the list article talk page. Cullen328 (talk) 05:15, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

@Cullen328 But if reliable sources do not use the same inclusion criteria in their definition of "states with limited recognition", doesn't that make the inclusion criteria used on this list original research? StellarHalo (talk) 05:57, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

StellarHalo, reliable sources are not in the business of writing inclusion criteria for encyclopedia list articles. That is the furthest thing from their minds. And reliable sources may vary widely in how they define "states with limited recognition", and may not even use those four words, and use synonyms instead. That is not a problem in itself. So, Wikipedia editors who are conversant with the literature about this topic get together and write the criteria, using the consensus model of decisionmaking. That's how Wikipedia works, and is the method that helps make Wikipedia a top ten website worldwide, with billions of page views each month. Cullen328 (talk) 07:09, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

StellarHalo inclusion criteria are based on editorial discretion and not on research, and thus are not under the guise of "original research". Per policy, While information must be verifiable for inclusion in an article, not all verifiable information must be included. Consensus may determine that certain information does not improve an article. Such information should be omitted or presented instead in a different article. The onus to achieve consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content. Which is to say, it isn't research by which we decide what to include, or not include, but editorial decisions by editors, and when there is a dispute, we seek consensus through discussion. Verifiability and sources are required to include something, but they don't mandate that we must include it merely that we can include it. Editors of articles decide if inclusion of any bit of information is or is not WP:DUE based on a variety of Wikipedia policies and guidelines, among other things. --Jayron32 13:12, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Image copyright

Hello, I am currently editing an article about an audio plugin, and I wanted to add a picture of the plugin.

Is it possible without infringing any copyright issues ? Because, I can take a picture of the plugin, but I am not the creator of it, so is it considered as "my own work" ?

Vincent-vst (talk) 05:11, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

@vincent-vst: according to commons:screenshots, to upload the screenshot to commons, either the software needs to be free or prove it meets commons:template:pd-ineligible. otherwise, prove the image meets the 10 non-free image criteria and upload it here, to the english wikipedia. lettherebedarklight〔晚安 おやすみ〕ping me when replying 06:14, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Vincent-vst, if I am understanding you correctly, when you mention a "plug-in", you are referring to some computer software that is used to customize broader software. How can you take a picture of software, which is invisible? It is not like hardware, where you can take a photo of a box with wires coming out of it. If you are talking about the logo for a commercial product, please read WP:LOGO. Cullen328 (talk) 07:21, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

@cullen328: he's probably taking a screenshot. lettherebedarklight〔晚安 おやすみ〕ping me when replying 07:26, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

i mean a screenshot, yes Vincent-vst (talk) 07:05, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

thank you ! Vincent-vst (talk) 07:06, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

reverting to previous versions after attempts at updating.

My edits are being undone for no reason. My changes are doing precisely the opposite of what is alleged, namely, I am removing promotional material AND updating with factual material. PromiseMade (talk) 08:17, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Removing the sourced material, and then replacing it with less content, whilst reincluding some promotional material is not helpful, and your edits effectively concentrated what remained of the promotional material. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 08:20, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Once your COI block is in place I am quite happy to go back and fully clean up that page. At this point, I'd just hit edit conflicts. Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 08:21, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reg_Hartt

"In May 2017, Hartt was charged two counts of possessing child pornography, two counts of accessing child pornography and one count of “making available” child pornography. Hartt denied the charges, claiming that the images were likely downloaded by a stranger who used the WiFi during one of his screenings. Police with a search warrant also found 250 images "that could be found in pornography museums around the world or reputable bookstores around the world," according to Hartt."

The charges were withdrawn. This has not been reported in the media. I was asked in court if I wanted a publication ban on this. I said, "Yes." THE TORONTO SUN and THE STAR (with permission of my lawyer which shows how good he was) ignored the ban. Those stories have since been reprinted all over the web. The police found no evidence of the downloaded file that led to the charges. For further information contact myself. I would appreciate a notation that the charges were withdrawn. 2607:FEA8:5A3:7E00:996A:1CC:8CF5:231B (talk) 09:45, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

sorry, but that isn't how wikipedia works. we need a reliable source that says this. lettherebedarklight〔晚安 おやすみ〕ping me when replying 10:18, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

@IP 2607:FEA8:5A3:7E00:996A:1CC:8CF5:231B: Please take a look at WP:BIOSELF for reference. There are processes in place in which living persons who are the subjects of Wikipedia articles can express any concerns they may have about what's written about them on Wikipedia. This doesn't mean that such individuals have any such editorial control over what's written about them, but there are ways they can seek assistance. Please also keep in mind that anything you post on any Wikipedia page can be pretty much seen by anyone who wants to see it as explained in WP:REALWORLD; so, please be careful about reveling any personal information or other details you might not want to go public. There are email addresses listed on the BIOSELF page that you can use to discuss more sensitive matters. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:23, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

• As explained above, we will not write on Wikipedia that the charges were withdrawn without a source to that effect. That being said, I removed the paragraph entirely, based on our guideline WP:SUSPECT. Someone might revert me and reinstate the paragraph, or not. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 14:42, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Page Rename & Redirect DAB Request

Hi, I haven't done any major edits in a few years, and was wondering if someone more knowledgeable than I could help. There are three films called "Benefit of the Doubt". Two were listed on the "Benefit of the Doubt" page, and one is listed as "The Benefit of the Doubt". I just referenced the BOTD DAB page in the TBODT article, and vice versa.

Could someone please

• rename The Benefit of the Doubt to The Benefit of the Doubt (2017 film) and then
• redirect The Benefit of the Doubt to Benefit of the Doubt?

Thanks! 2601:45:403:ABC0:B996:5BF7:F65B:1CBC (talk) 16:01, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

• Also, could someone please link the DAB page to the Wiktionary page [1] ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:45:403:ABC0:B996:5BF7:F65B:1CBC (talk) 16:05, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

I have tweaked the hatnote on The Benefit of the Doubt.[2] The other films are only called "Benefit of the Doubt" so I think a hatnote is OK. Benefit of the Doubt already has a standard box with a Wiktionary link to the right. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:26, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Unable to log into my account to make changes to my bio

Hi.. chuck Thomas here .. I am trying to edit my BIO , but I am unable to do so, I thought I had the correct user ID but apparently I do NOT or my password has changed & I am unable to retrieve it.. please advise

Chuck Thomas (American football)

Chuck Thomas 2600:8801:2F1C:6800:F5A4:A02C:8675:3196 (talk) 17:46, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello IP. If you are indeed the American football player Chuck Thomas then I advise you to read WP:COI and not edit the page directly. Also, if you had an email attached to your account you can send a password reset email to it, otherwise we are unable to help you. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:50, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

That is, we are unable to help you retrieve your password. I am not an expert, but if you have lost access to your account, I believe you can create a new account. Then you can make edit requests as described at WP:COIEDIT. This blue text, and the blue text within that page, are all clickable links. There's a lot to read in the entire COI article, which Blaze Wolf has also linked for you. David10244 (talk) 05:59, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

There is absolutely no connection between an account and an article. With a few exceptions, anybody in the world (logged in or not) can edit any article. One of the exceptions is that somebody closely connected with the subject of an article (whether they are logged in or not) is strongly discouraged from editing the article directly, and should instead raise edit requests on the article's talk page. ColinFine (talk) 09:03, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Dr. Bartley P. Griffith's photograph

My name is Joanne and I am Dr. Bartley Griffith's executive assistant for 41 years. He has asked that I place certain information from his Curriculum Vitae into his Wikipedia. ALSO, we would like to change the photo to one that he prefers. 134.192.250.68 (talk) 18:05, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Bartley P. Griffith - 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:12, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Joanne. Your very first step is to register an account and make the mandatory Paid contributions disclosure. Read about editing with a Conflict of interest. You can upload a freely licensed photo to Wikimedia Commons for possible use in the article. Please also read about how the subjects of articles do not Own those articles. Cullen328 (talk) 18:18, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

For the photo upload, I highly recommend this tool. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:19, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

what is gancube

the speedcube 167.128.81.8 (talk) 18:31, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

This is apparently in relation to Draft:GANCube, submitted to AfC by the OP (and just declined). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:47, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Pure Portuguese-Portugal articles

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Not an issue for Help desk/Archives. Referred elsewhere

 – You need to take this up with the Portuguese Wikipedia, or maybe the Wikimedia Foundation, and maybe keep the nationalism to a minimum while doing so. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:04, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

I am from Portugal and something I got puzzled since of beginning of Wikipedia is that MOST of pt.wikipedia are in brazillian. There should be a pt-pt.wikipedia and a pt-br.wikipedia. I personally do not like reading the portuguese articles because the articles are contaminated with brazillian. The portuguese spoken in Brazil is NOT the same as the one spoken in Portugal. The portuguese of Portugal is the origin language of the brazillian. I still don't get why many companies have things in a such broken language. Why?! A good part of people living in Brazil do not read or speak properly. The last orthographic agreement was just one more stab in my mother language. I wish wikipedia had such 2 separated pt-pt and pt-br for articles. I personally like more to use the en.wikipedia. Hugosimoes84 (talk) 22:58, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

footnote doesn't work

Why doesn't the footnote a on Taras Shevchenko work? --Espoo (talk) 23:13, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

@Espoo: Can you be more specific? Which footnote and what problems do you see? RudolfRed (talk) 23:59, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

It's the one named "a" (starts "At the time of birth of"), and nothing happens when i click on it in Chrome on Android. --Espoo (talk) 00:29, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

What did you expect to happen? It's a footnote, not a reference. Maproom (talk) 08:02, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

As you know, when you click on "[Note]" right after the name, it's supposed to take you to the footnote "a". This works in desktop browsers, but the link is dead and makes most users think there is no (longer) a footnote in Chrome on Android in both the mobile and desktop version. --Espoo (talk) 16:26, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Edit: it works only sometimes in the mobile version Oops. It works in the mobile version but not in the desktop version on Android Chrome, which is what I normally use on my tab.

The reason i use the desktop version is that the text is too small edit: in the mobile version when it still fits the screen. Can that be changed in some setting? For example, the mobile version produces all of this in one line:

"As a hireling for the Kyrylivka priest Hryhoriy Koshytsia, Taras was visiting Bohuslav where he drove the priest's son to"

whereas the desktop version produces only this in one line:

"As a hireling for the Kyrylivka priest Hryhoriy Koshytsia, Taras was visiting Bohuslav". --Espoo (talk) 16:31, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

@Espoo: Unfortunately no, the desktop skin wasn't designed for that. I'd use text scaling where I can on mobile. RAN1 (talk) 00:35, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Do you mean the not functioning jump to the footnote in the desktop version or the text that's too small in the mobile version? How can i make the text bigger in the mobile version without it flowing outside the screen? What do you mean with text scaling?

The basic problem is that (only) the mobile version completely ignores the accessibility setting in Android Chrome, i.e. the setting that increases the text size in the WP desktop version and most other websites.

And the link to the footnote now doesn't work in the mobile version either, so i wasn't wrong when i first said that. --Espoo (talk) 06:27, 4 November 2022 (UTC)