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August 31

Deleted Wikipedia for Artist Alexander Chen

Hi,

Can you please tell me why the Wikipedia page for Alexander Chen no longer shows up?

Thank you,

Tom Binder Artman22 (talk) 00:00, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

It was deleted following the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Alexander_Chen, due to the subject not meeting Wikipedia's Notability requirement. RudolfRed (talk) 00:13, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

How can I get more eyes on Talk:Volt Technical Resources?

How can I get more eyes on Talk:Volt Technical Resources? --Jax 0677 (talk) 00:32, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

There is a move request there that is open and visible. Is there something else you are referring to that you want attention on? 331dot (talk) 00:42, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

• Reply - No, I just want more people to comment on it. --Jax 0677 (talk) 00:57, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Mater Christi College

I have added a file which is my own (photograph). Please centre it - it is in the info box and also make the photo lighter in colour if you can. Thanks 115.70.23.77 (talk) 01:35, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

I've lightened it. GIMP (which runs on any computer and is completely free of charge) makes this extraordinarily easy. (Have you ever tried GIMP?) -- Hoary (talk) 01:50, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Citing a source within another source

How should I cite a letter printed as an appendix to a book? The authors are different. The book is straightforward except that it is a Gutenberg e-book so there is no way to include a page number. Unhelpfully, the title of the appendix is “Appendix” and it includes material in addition to the letter. Readers will seek the letter via the name of the letter’s writer. So I had in mind to cite it separately, perhaps using CITE REPORT (there not being a template for letters). Humphrey Tribble (talk) 05:09, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Humphrey Tribble, if John Doe wrote (most of) the book but Joe Bloggs wrote the appendix, then within Template:Cite book, first=John | last=Doe | contributor-first=Joe | contributor-last=Bloggs | title=The Anatomy of Despondency | contribution=Appendix. (NB I am no expert in the use of the Cite template(s).) -- Hoary (talk) 08:08, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Humphrey, there are a couple of ways. You didn't say if you were using full, inline citations embedded in <ref> tags, or short citations using the {{sfn}} template. Using short footnotes, you can add the |loc= param to specify the appendix, and the {{citec}} template to indicate the appendix (normally, it's for a "chapter", but an "appendix" acts the same way). If there were editors of the main portion of the book, it would be easier, but since there isn't, you can do it like this:

Some assertion verified by appendix content.

Bibliography

• James, William Dobein (1821). A Sketch of the Life of Brig. Gen. Francis Marion and a History of His Brigade. Project Gutenburg. p. e-book #923.
  • Brownfield, Robert. "Appendix [a detailed account of the defeat of Buford's regiment]". In James (1821).

References

This provides the linkage from inline footnote^[1] (in the article body) to ⟶ citation-1 (in the References section) ⟶ the Brownfield Appendix (doubly-indented in the Bibliography) ⟶ the full James citation (above it). If there are more individual chapters you want to refer to, just add one additional {{citec}} for each, copying the style for the Appendix one. Hope this helps! Mathglot (talk) 06:59, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you both. Well done, Mathglot (talk · contribs)in finding I was working on Banastre Tarleton.

I made a fix using the contributor fields as suggested by Hoary (talk · contribs). But I don’t care for the result. I was contemplating either doing it manually (i.e. no templates) or even uploading a copy of the letter to the Internet archive. (Unfortunately the latter defeats the purpose of showing the original; I haven’t been able to locate a copy of the original book so a PDF isn’t possible.)

So, I will tinker with the citec template when I get a chance, but after adding a load of references which I will use, I really want to add the text I’ve drafted. More to learn! Humphrey Tribble (talk) 20:23, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

List of awards and honours received by Angela Merkel

The article states that her chancellorship was exceeded in length only by Helmut Kohl. This is actually ambigious as it is only true for post war Germany. If you consider ALL German chancellors, Bismarck comes first with 19 years as chancellor (1871-1890). This article needs to be clear on whether only post war chancellorships or all chancellorships since the founding of Germany in 1871 are being considered. 159.15.129.65 (talk) 10:08, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Please direct concerns about that article to its associated talk page, Talk:List of awards and honours received by Angela Merkel. 331dot (talk) 10:10, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Title is salty

The title of article I want to create (Arishfa Khan) is blacklisted from a long time. It was blacklisted because of promotional articles by sockpuppets (see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Arshifakhan61). Now that master is inactive (except one recent). Anyway, I created its draft in my userspace(see User:Parnaval/Draft_AK138). I think the person passes notability criteria, but article wasn't created because of promotional tone. Now, I request admins to unsalt that title and move my draft there. -- Parnaval (talk) 13:06, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

While an admin needs to remove the salting, you are free to submit it for a review and have a reviewer(which can be any user) accept the draft for placement in the encyclopedia, who will then ask for the salting to be removed. I see much promotional language in the draft("bagged her first role") and I don't see on the surface how she passes WP:BIO or WP:NACTOR. 331dot (talk) 13:09, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

@Parnaval Your first citation is to an interview with Khan, so is not independent. You need to demonstrate notability by mainly using sources that meet these criteria. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:38, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

The first is interview, but all others are independent. She has lot of following on social media (30m on instagram), so this is indication that she is notable. Also, she has done roles in multiple notable TV shows so does fulfill WP:NACTOR. I tried my best to keep out promotional tone, but didn't realise that bagged is promotional. I will remove it and then submit for review. -- Parnaval (talk) 16:01, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

She has lot of following on social media (30m on instagram), so this is indication that she is notable.
@Parnaval: Note that Wikipedia uses a very different definition of the term notable. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:33, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

I understand that notability comes from coverage in reliable sources. but, that guideline also says subjects which have gained sufficiently significant attention by the world at large and over a period of time, and having large social media following is also a metric for that. Anyway, the draft got rejected and I don't have much hope that I can improve it. -- Parnaval (talk) 19:52, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Parnaval, as Tenryuu just mentioned, Wikipedia has a very different understanding of notability than you do, and in particular, your comment that "having large social media following is also a metric for that" may be your opinion, but has no weight here. Your quotation from WP:Notability was accurate, but read the next sentence, which says: "We consider evidence from reliable and independent sources to gauge this attention." It says nothing about social media following being a metric for that. I realize you'd like it to be, but it simply is not. If you cannot find significant coverage in reliable sources, the topic is not notable, and will be deleted once more. If you can find such sources, by all means continue to develop the draft. Good luck! Mathglot (talk) 06:02, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

ChatGPT

Hi, a new user has made these two edits [1] and [2] at Siege of Adrianople (1913). I've reverted them as unreferenced and that ChatGPT isn't reliable [3]. How do you handle users who admit to using ChatGPT? Knitsey (talk) 13:27, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

I would start by engaging with them on their talk page. Welcome them to Wikipedia, explain your concerns with their edits, give them guidance on what we look for in determining if a source is reliable, etc. In other words, talk to them. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 13:33, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

@Knitsey A general policy is being developed at WP:LLM but is has not yet obtained a consensus. Meanwhile, reverting and discussing with the editor is good practice. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:34, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Great, I will leave them a message. Knitsey (talk) 13:35, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

@Knitsey: It's listed as unreliable at WP:RSPSOURCES, which you can include in your reply. Bazza (talk) 13:36, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

I must have looked at that list hundreds of times (slight exaggeration) and I missed that Bazza. Thank you. Knitsey (talk) 13:41, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

SEO for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Japuonj_Eliud_Nyonje_Otieno

Hello, I hope this finds you well. When written some Biography which we wanted to be published in Wikipedia. What was remaining was the SEO - Search Engine Optimization. The provisional is shared here: Kindly contact me via <redacted>: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ryqos/sandbox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Japuonj_Eliud_Nyonje_Otieno Many thanks Isaac 197.248.32.147 (talk) 13:35, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi IP editor. Please do not post personal information like your email address in this very public space. Who is "we"? Are you connected to User:Ryqos, who wrote those drafts? I don't quite understand how SEO is relevant here. Draft:Japuonj Eliud Nyonje Otieno was submitted and rejected in July - the notice should not have been removed. A great many photographs have been uploaded as "own work" when it's not at all clear who actually took the pictures. There seems to be some sort of conflict of interest here. Please read WP:COI and Help:Your first article. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:06, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

I think what you are getting at is that the draft is not part of the encyclopedia(and as such cannot be found by search engines). You need to submit your draft for review and have it accepted before that occurs- and you are a long ways from that as your draft is poorly sourced. Please see Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 14:07, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Update Content getting Reverted

Dear Sir,

I have updated the article to include pest control and hazardous waste cleaning as part of the field service industry. However, Olli reverted my changes, and I have resubmitted the article, but he has still refused to approve it. Could you please help me with this?

FYI, one of the paragraphs in the same article references website links. I am not sure how this was approved.

Article link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_service_management

Rakish (talk) 14:11, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

As you've already been told on your talk page, a self-published book doesn't come close to meet WP:RS guidelines. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 14:20, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Self-published "books" from Emereo/5StarCooks by a content farm, which typically consist of scraped material from Wikipedia and other online sources, is not an acceptable source. Not in any way. You ill need to find reliable sources that you have carefully evaluated, as you have been advised. Sam Kuru (talk) 14:28, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

My citations disappeared

I was updating copy, then was going to delete some dead URLs and update some other things in the references/citations. But they disappeared. All 23 of them. Some of those linked to 20 year old documents I may have trouble tracking down. Please advise. I know they're in the system somewhere. I can't seem to restore them. Ramorris0425 (talk) 14:31, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

@Ramorris0425 Your recent edits were to Oceania University of Medicine. If you were in the midst of editing elsewhere but didn't save/publish the work, then I'm afraid it is gone unless your own browser backed them up in a separate tab, perhaps. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.... Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:02, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

I see that an hour after this message, IdiotSavant made several edits to Oceania University of Medicine, with the edit summary "restore deleted references", and you have edited the article since.

Is this issue then resolved?

It would have been kinder to those who you are asking for help from if you had a) told us which article this was about, and b) told us it was resolved (if it is). ColinFine (talk) 15:09, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

When primary topic redirect promotes a secondary topic

On 2020 United States presidential election, there is a redirect notice: "Donald Trump vs. Joe Biden" redirects here. For the Epic Rap Battles of History episode, see Donald Trump vs. Joe Biden (Epic Rap Battles of History). Now, I can certainly understand how a reader searching "Donald Trump vs. Joe Biden" is substantially more likely to be interested in the election than an episode of a Youtube series, so the redirect makes sense. However the vast majority of visitors to the election page landed there by a more conventional search, and we are now promoting to them an extremely niche secondary topic at the extreme top of the page. I would venture to guess the vast majority of visitors to the Rap Battle page get there from curiously clicking from the election article. ~ I guess my question is, is it not worth discussing (vis a vie disambig v. redirect) if we are not giving free advertising to the secondary topic? GreatCaesarsGhost 15:11, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

I'm not fully knowledgeable in this topic, but I don't see a problem with the redirect being there. It's helpful for the people who were searching for the Epic Rap Battles episode, and it shouldn't bother people who were just looking for the election. Hopefully someone with a bit more knowledge in this topic than me can help though. Industrial Insect (talk) 18:44, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Fix the reference Kathy Johnson

I need help. I just put in the new upgrade of Gymnast Kathy Johnson. I transferred from Sports Reference to Olympedia. Can you fix it for me? 108.21.67.83 (talk) 15:13, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Looking at your edit. You've added a new name for a citation, but you've never defined it. You'll have to type the citation next to the new name. Regards. 🛧Layah50♪🛪 ( 話す? 一緒に飛ぼう！) 15:26, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

IP editor. I have reverted your change but don't really know how best to proceed. There was a recent edit from an IP claiming they were her husband to correct her first name. We need reliable sources which I'm not convinced we currently have. Please take the issue to the Talk Page at Talk:Kathy Johnson and make sure that the policy at WP:BLP is complied with. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:33, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Add on Wikipedia

How do I add my self on Wikipedia, I have worked for social issues and public reforms 223.189.18.19 (talk) 17:41, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Writing an autobiography is strongly discouraged. Please read WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY. Cullen328 (talk) 17:47, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

1. Read our notability guideline for biographies very carefully.
2. Ask yourself if you are 100% sure you meet the requirements you just read.
3. Forget everything you know about yourself. Pretend you are a complete stranger who has been given the task of writing about someone about whom they know nothing.
4. Locate 3-5 reliable sources that talk about you in detail.
5. Make sure those sources are indepdendant, that is, that they were not produced by you, your employees, your "team", your publicity agents, your family members, etc.
6. At this point you have 3 choices:
   1. Visit requested articles and add yourself and the sources you have found to that black hole in hopes that someone will take an interest in writing the article. There are people who occasionally look through requested articles for something to write about, but it is very backlogged, and things tend to stay there for years.
   2. Attempt to write a draft using only information that can be found in independent reliable sources. When the draft is complete, submit it to articles for creation, who will either accept it or provide some feedback, usually consisting of "this draft needs more citations to reliable sources that provide significant coverage of the topic and are produced independently of the subject of the article."
   3. Realize that (a) you may not be notable by Wikipedia's odd definition of that word and (b) An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing anyway and go find an alternative outlet for telling the world about yourself.

Good luck. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 18:52, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Tulane University

Reference help requested.

Thanks, 51.9.98.173 (talk) 18:11, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Here is a diff of the relevant report from Qwerfjkl (bot). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:17, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

 Fixed! The issue is that you didn't include |title= in the template. See the instructions at Template:Cite web for more information. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:02, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Deleted Page Reason Request

Hello,

This page was deleted https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/?title=Brad_Heller&oldid=1001519365 . This is another view of the page that was deleted https://en.wikipedia-on-ipfs.org/wiki/Brad_Heller . Could you please explain why it was deleted and how to fix it. Thank you very much. SvSerf (talk) 19:57, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

@SvSerf, here is the entry in the deletion log: link. It was deleted on 18 January 2022, by Explicit, for the following reason: Expired PROD, concern was: Basically a tribute article for an actor and acting teacher. If all of the unsourced content was removed, this article would barely be a stub so I'm tagging it for proposed deletion. You can read about what a PROD is at WP:PROD. You can ask for the article to be restored - likely to your own personal space, as a draft - at WP:RFUD, but unless you have reliable, independent, secondary sources which cover this person in depth, you probably won't be able to do much toward getting this back in article space. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:24, 31 August 2023 (UTC)