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April 3

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I have written an article about vloggers on Pakistani YouTuber but it is already an article by name I am not able to understand what should I do. Draft:Mohammad Shiraz Tanujaanu (talk) 04:03, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

@Tanujaanu: If the draft is accepted, the accepting reviewer will figure out how to name the article. RudolfRed (talk) 04:08, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Dear Sir, Would you please send this article for review? Tanujaanu (talk) 04:32, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

I have restored the AFC decline notices that you removed, which include the button for you to resubmit the draft. Please do not remove the notices again. ColinFine (talk) 09:57, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

ok sir, I really really sorry Because I removed that line Tanujaanu (talk) 12:56, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Help

Can anyone tell me that we can upload photos of which site on wiki common. Is it possible to use photos from Instagram platform? Which is uploaded only on Instagram? Tanujaanu (talk) 04:07, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

@Tanujaanu: Only if the image is released under a Creative Commons or other license that allows for reuse for any purpose. It would need to specifically state that in the post. RudolfRed (talk) 04:10, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

can i upload this image: https://pin.it/1JhOudbQy

The actress had uploaded these images on her Instagram account but maybe she has deleted the image but some other person has uploaded the image on Pinterest and while I am uploading this image on “wiki common” By giving me this link to Pinterest, they are saying that it is probably a copyrighted image when it is not a copyrighted image. The actress herself would like her photo to be on every platform. Tanujaanu (talk) 04:30, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

I see nothing there to suggest that this image is anything other than standard "all rights reserved" copyright, so no, you may not upload it either here or at Wikimedia Commons. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 08:54, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

@Tanujaanu: by copyright law, all images are copyrighted by the photographer by default. Unless there is a suitable written license, we cannot use the image. If the actress wants those images to appear in commons, she must ask the photographer to license them appropriately. -Arch dude (talk) 14:33, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

@Tanujaanu: The actress or photographer can refer to Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials. GoingBatty (talk) 03:34, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

If you want to know whether or not an image can be uploaded to Commons, there are plenty of knowledgable people at WP:MCQ who will be happy to help.

Manticore anti Islam

In 1900 Muslims only numbered 200 million followers or 12% of the world population. This percentage drastically increased over the last 100 years due to higher birth rate in Muslim majority countries. Pew Research have estimated the number will be around 2.2 billion in 2030 and 2.8 billion, or 30 percent of world population, in 2050.

In Muslim world article user Manticore had deleted this sentences with different reason. First he claimed it was out of topic, poor written (it could targetted non English contributors), and wikipedia not a Crystal Glass (but in Religion Growth Population had cited Pew Research estimated). Please help to improve Muslim world article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.121.18.126 (talk) 06:08, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

User:QalasQalas (is that you? Please remember to log in) has already raised it in Talk:Muslim world, which is the right place for it. Nothing is gained by bringing it here as well.

Please give @Manticore at least a week before you do anything else - Wikipedia editors are volunteers, who have real lives as well - and please remember to assume good faith: supposing that anybody who removes something from an article about Islam must be "anti Islam" is an atrocious accusation. ColinFine (talk) 10:05, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Also: please do not ask the same question in more than one place. I see that people had answered you at the Teahouse before I answered you here. ColinFine (talk) 14:43, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

References

How to change wiki password

I have been informed of a leak of my wikipedia password. Please can you guide me to the method of changing it to a new one online. Ravanax999 (talk) 09:40, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

See WP:PASSWORD.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 09:54, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Large list pages impossible to edit

I'm trying to edit List of 2023 albums. I've discovered when entering the source editor for this page, like other large list pages, causes the page to be frozen (from within the window, not my browser) and render it completely unable to edit the page. This is only an issue with editing Wikipedia pages with large lists, and happens across all browsers. No other non-Wikipedia pages are affected. I have no idea why this is the case - is this a tech issue on my end or have I maybe set up something wrong or got a widget awry? ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 11:59, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, it's a big old page. It is number 200 on Special:LongPages. The List of 2022 albums is even longer though! Might be worth doing a WP:SPLIT Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:17, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

@Vrxces: List of 2023 albums works for me in all four tested browsers. Something in your settings must be choking on it, maybe one of the features at Wikipedia:Syntax highlighting#Syntax highlighting of wiki-code for editors. If you have the first feature enabled then try to disable it on another page before editing a long page which fails. If it still fails then does it also fail in safemode or when logged out? PrimeHunter (talk) 13:00, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Weird question regarding Plutarch as a source

How reliable is the ancient historian Plutarch considered by wikipedia? Because he's considered okay but not perfectly reliable by historians/classicists, because he was writing with a different purpose than say, a wikipedia article. For articles that rely heavily on him as a source, is there a way to mark that he's not considered to be a 100% reliable source? The general wikipedia tone is pretty authoritative, and I don't want people to be mislead into thinking that Plutarch was completely accurate. Periferal (talk) 14:32, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

@Periferal: this is my personal opinion, not Wikipedia policy. There are very few completely reliable sources in the world. Unless there are competing sources, or commentary in reliable sources discussing the reliability of a specific assertion, reliability should probably not be raised in the article text, as it would make Wikipedia almost unreadable. In specific case, if you feel it is useful, add a footnote like "Plutarch is not considered to be perfectly reliable", and then put the footnote on each of the plutarch citations. -Arch dude (talk) 14:57, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) If I were citing Plutarch, I would write something like "Plutarch wrote that ...", and let readers judge for themselves, possibly after reading the article on him. Maproom (talk) 14:59, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

You may find something helpful here: Wikipedia_talk:Reliable_sources/Archive_61#pre-modern_historians_as_sources. My general view is that if Plutarch matters regarding a certain event, you should be able to find a modern historian that says so. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:19, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Periferal: it might be worth asking this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Classical Greece and Rome. As an ancient historian Plutarch is considered to be a primary source, see Wikipedia talk:Identifying and using primary sources#Are ancient historians primary or secondary source? so he should be used with caution and you could add tags like Template:Primary sources, Template:Primary sources section or Template:Primary source inline. TSventon (talk) 15:38, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you to all of you! I'll keep this in mind; in the same vein, how what is the policy on people using an ancient poet's poetry as a source for their life? because it's frowned upon in classics circles nowadays, but there's a lot of it on here that i've noticed. Periferal (talk) 21:07, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

@Periferal: I would suggest asking this kind of question at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Classical Greece and Rome, with a concrete example. Obviously an ancient poet's poetry is also a primary source. Some early Wikipedia articles were copied from the 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica Eleventh Edition, which obviously is not modern scholarship. TSventon (talk) 12:20, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Lots of our articles on ancient poets are frankly pretty bad. My own opinion (which I expect is shared by most of the regular editors of classsics/ancient history related articles) is that we should cite more secondary scholarship than we currently do and that we should never uncritically cite a poet's work as a source about their own life. Except for the most famous ancient historical figures, there just aren't that many editors working on these articles (even e.g. Catullus has only 199 page watchers, and the last fifty edits go back to October 2022!) so in general if there is a figure whose article you are interested in improving then I would encourage you to just get stuck in. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 13:23, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Wiki commons

Can I upload this Image to wiki commons: https://www.flickr.com/photos/199969742@N07/53628579457/in/dateposted-public/

Can I upload sexual content to wiki commons Tanujaanu (talk) 17:48, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

@Tanujaanu: It looks like the image is CC-0 (public domain) so from a license perspective that should be fine. I don't think there are any restrictions on the content of photos, but you should ask at Commons: c:Commons:Help_desk RudolfRed (talk) 19:43, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

You should ask this question on Commons. Ruslik_Zero 19:44, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes, Tanujaanu, you should ask this question in Commons. But in the meantime: There are indeed restrictions on the content of photos. -- Hoary (talk) 22:36, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

@Tanujaanu I have no idea why you would wish to upload that particular photo to Commons, as it is of very poor quality. I doubt that it is the original work of its uploader, judging by their other posts which are obvious copies. Hence their claim to be in the public domain is worthless. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:27, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

No sir, it is not like that, he is a photographer who takes photos of models and uploads them. Tanujaanu (talk) 18:13, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

It's a very poor photo, why would this be within the scope of Commons? Commons is not Flickr, as the images should be "realistically useful for an educational purpose".--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 19:15, 4 April 2024 (UTC)