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Dead link of book sources

I found a dead link that isn't archived and the page of the author that's on the website is devoid of his books, so I thought I can find another website hosting information about the book. I used the ISBN to find an Amazon and Walmart page of the book but I'm not confident about some of the factors pertaining to the replacing the dead link with alternate sources. (I'm not sure what's the dead link suppose to show because there isn't a snapshot on wayback machine, archive.today and google cite).

The reason I'm considering to change the dead link with other sources is because the first paragraph of this section said to "consider finding an alternative source" with fulfilled condition of "all attempts to repair the link will be unsuccessful" (Which I think it is because the author page doesn't have his books and there's no found snapshots on some of the most popular archive services.). With my interpretation, the second sentence "Alternative sources about broad topics are usually easily located" implies there can be a broad selection with the only following stated conditions to be "but be extremely careful to avoid citing mirrors and forks of Wikipedia itself, which would violate Wikipedia:Verifiability.".

Some of the information I'm trying to find to help what to do are: What are the conditions to choosing and listing an alternate source for a dead link, specifically when entailing a book. If the condition of "all attempts to repair the link will be unsuccessful" is fulfilled, should there be attempts to replace the dead link with alternate sources, not at all or some other actions? I haven't found information on how to properly link to a book source so, what's expected to be of the reliability, legality and other factors when linking to a book source (copyrighted, not public domain) on both of the circumstances of book metadata and book content. DedoraTuolloin (talk) 09:23, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

@DedoraTuolloin I'll try to answer the specific question rather than the general. The dead link in the article just confirms he wrote and published a book. There's no problem in finding a link to the book: for example this one at google books The article already has as its next citation a secondary CBS source. In this case, therefore, I'd be inclined to create a {{cite book}} reference to replace what's currently there, with the Google books link as the |URL= parameter. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:22, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Since you can only answered 1 of the questions. Can you list or link any articles or information that might help me in answering the rest of the questions? DedoraTuolloin (talk) 13:32, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

If the book is already the best and most reliable source, then showing people what they can do to get the book (giving them a link to where they can buy it, and links to where they can borrow it or view it if that's possible) is good enough. "If you bring me that book I can prove to you that the information is in there" IS a good enough reference, as long as it's said truthfully and the book really is a reliable source.

It's always good to also have other reliable sources, but don't take away the book info. "You'll have to buy the book to know for sure" is a pain, and of course nobody really likes it, but it's still legitimate. TooManyFingers (talk) 16:40, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

TooManyFingers, no, I am sorry, but we do not routinely link to bookselling sites, whether it is the publisher or a company like Amazon. That's promotional editing and not permitted on Wikipedia. Cullen328 (talk) 17:53, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Are you implying dead links of book sources can be linked to a page that doesn't directly provide access to the book (through selling or file upload)?. There's many projects that catalogs books, magazines and other literacy and it's information without promotional or monetary incentive, is there any negative and positive factors in having choosing from some of those alternative sources for dead links of books? DedoraTuolloin (talk) 03:10, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

There does not have to be a link. It's sufficient to give the full bibliographical details of the book: these would enable anyone to obtain the book from its publisher (directly or via vendors) if it's in print, or from second-hand vendors if it isn't. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.1.209.45 (talk) 19:02, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

If a speedy decision on finding alternative links isn't much viable then I should consider alternating with filling as much "bibliographical details of the book" and the cite-books template as possible? DedoraTuolloin (talk) 02:55, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes, the cite-book (or cite journal, etc) template is ideal. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.1.209.45 (talk) 01:43, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

@DedoraTuolloin You should find WP:Link rot useful for the more general issue. Mike Turnbull (talk) 19:59, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Question about using an editor as a source

Hello friends,

I'm trying to help make Shalë, Lipjan nicer. It seems like someone who lives there went to a lot of trouble to share information about the location with us. I want to do right by them so I wanted to ask if anyone could help guide me on how to edit their material in a respectful way? Is there anyway to use their material and cite them? I understand that the answer may be to delete most of it. I was hoping someone might have a nuanced take on how to approach this.

Thank you very much for your help,

ViolanteMD (talk) 00:46, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

The article lacks enough references , there are just 3 with 1 empty. One of the ways you can help improve it is to get enough independent citations as I wonder how the article stands till date without those. Tesleemah (talk) 01:45, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply! I am having some trouble finding good articles on the subject but will try tomorrow! ViolanteMD (talk) 02:49, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Great @ViolanteMD Tesleemah (talk) 05:57, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

@Tesleemah, in this case WP:NPLACE applies since Shalë is a village and so it can get away with fewer independent citations (although of course the article would be better with them, as always!). StartGrammarTime (talk) 04:22, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Alright! @StartGrammarTime Tesleemah (talk) 05:56, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Fix my userpage please

Hello Teahouse, I would glad if anyone here could help me in fixing my userpage. I find it difficult to arrange the userboxes below, even the infobox is messed up, thanks. Jõsé ^hola 03:19, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

User pages should not have an Infobox or CategoriesDavid notMD (talk) 05:19, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

@David notMD: User pages shouldn't have article categories but on User:Josedimaria237 I only see user categories which belong there, and {{Infobox Wikipedia user}} is meant for user pages. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:42, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

You can check out similar userpage as yours and see how they are arranged.

Also, I think someone did something already. The floating flags look nice by the way! Tesleemah (talk) 06:05, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

I am corrected. David notMD (talk) 11:51, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

@Tesleemah: Thanks. I wish you luck in the elections. Jõsé ^hola 15:06, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks so much, I appreciate Tesleemah (talk) 16:16, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Help determining notability

Hello. Lately I've been doing research about an activist investor and hedgefund manager, J. Carlo Cannell, who has had an interesting and successful career. Among his investment strategies is buying shares of mismanaged/dysfunctional companies, and urging board members to make changes in public, written letters (which are often fiery and fun to read). In other words, activist investing. His company has received quite a bit of coverage in financial news circles for its antics.

I've been working on gathering sources to establish the notability of the company, which I put in my sandbox. I would love somebody to take a look and tell me if they think he or his company have received enough coverage to be considered notable.

More specifically:

• I've found one article that provides a direct, detailed profile of the founder/company. The website that published it seems no-name, but the author of the article is a domain expert in finance (CIO of an asset management company, former hedgefund analyst), and author of 4 books (not sure if they are popular?) about value investing and activist investing.
• I've found many articles that are from reliable, independent sources (New York Times, Associated press) about actions that his company has taken, particularly their activist battles. While these sources don't give direct profiles/coverage of the company, they talk with detail (more than just brief updates) about the notable actions of the company. Does this constitute "significant coverage"?
  • In WP:ORGDEPTH, it says "Deep or significant coverage provides an overview, description, commentary, survey, study, discussion, analysis, or evaluation of the product, company, or organization." It seems like these articles (which you can see in my sandbox in the second section) may provide commentary/description of the company (in particular, its actions).
• I've also found some miscellaneous other stuff which I would love a second pair of eyes on.

Is J. Carlo Cannell or his company, Cannell Capital, notable? Fantasyfootball420 (talk) 07:26, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

For the penultimate source listed in your sandbox: you can use it to support the statement that he rejoined the company, but it's not independent and so doesn't contribute to notability. Maproom (talk) 08:02, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

I just spot-checked one of the "about actions" ones, this one: [1]. I'd say that this is significant coverage, in the sense that it is clearly more than a passing mention. It also gives me hope that there's quite a bit more coverage out there for you to find, since this is actually an article about Lee Enterprises, in which Cannell Capital is nonetheless a major element. But I wouldn't want to base an entire article on a company on mentions like this one. WP:NCORP battles at AfD aren't as easy to predict as many others, so I wouldn't want to tell you that you couldn't do so, but if this is the kind of thing you're finding and nothing better, my advice is to hang onto all of this and wait until you have some more experience with corp articles and lurking/participating at WP:AFD before giving it a try. Once you stick around long enough to become an extended-confirmed editor (30 days, 500 edits), you can use WP:TWL's access to newspapers.com for free, and that will probably help you find a lot more. Given the dates on these articles, you're definitely losing some to the "digital gap" of the early 2000s - stuff that wasn't born digital, but also wasn't seen as "important old stuff to digitize". So there's more out there and I think you can probably do this, just maybe not now.

I don't like that direct, detailed profile. I don't think it's all that direct and detailed, for one thing, but also, it certainly can't count for notability purposes because it's tied too closely to promotional purposes - there's a link in there about paying to go to a conference at which he's speaking. So in this case whether the author is a domain expert or not isn't relevant. -- asilvering (talk) 17:06, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

ClueBot III delay?

Page: User talk:Ss0jse

Question: "This page has archives. Sections older than 1 hours may be automatically archived by ClueBot III when more than 5 sections are present." Is "may" the operative word there? Ss0jse (talk) 15:55, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

ClueBot may be broken at one time, and not at he other. from what I unerstand Luhanopi (talk) 19:58, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

One hour archiving is very short. Usually the time is set to many days. I'm not sure how often the bot checks any particular page. RudolfRed (talk) 21:30, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

When I set my archives up the first time, I think it took a couple of days for the bot to arrive. -- asilvering (talk) 17:08, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

AWB and Kingbotk

I'm about to begin tagging articles for WP:WikiProject Anthropology/Oral tradition taskforce. I've gotten AWB to work however I'm stuck regarding KingbotK (TL;DR the KingbotK plugin fails to load). Is KingbotK still used for tagging WP banners? I assume so since it's listed at Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Plugins, however on its main page it says it's kept for historical reference. I've followed the instructions and have downloaded it and moved it into the same file as AutoWikiBrowser.exe.config. When I load AWB and click the 'Plugins' tab I get two options: 'Load...' and 'Manager...' Load takes me to the file and I click on 'Kingbotk AWB Plugin.dll'. Nothing changes, and when I click Manager it tells me it failed to load with no further information or options. Kowal2701 (talk) 15:42, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

@Kowal2701: You'd do better to ask at Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser, where the AWB experts hang out. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:25, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing thank you for replying, I did a few days ago but haven’t had a reply Kowal2701 (talk) 21:36, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Not an AWB expert here, but I'd assume that the main page is correct over the AWB plugins list. -- asilvering (talk) 17:09, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Template:Redirect reason

Idea to reason redirects Currently uses a single box and dosent function at all (The reason why i made this is so that people can look at WHY that redirect page exists) Can someone add some way to fill in the reason? _shJunpei talk >:] 18:29, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

@Shjunpei: This probably shouldn't be a template; we already have redirect categories for explaining the purpose of redirects. Elli (talk | contribs) 18:30, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

I have a CoI

So the high school I go to (won't link it here) has an article. I know that I have a conflict of interest with it, but I do want to improve the article someday. What should I do? Thanks, TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 18:15, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello, TWOrantula, and welcome to the Teahouse. Please see WP:PSCOI. In short: you are welcome to make edit requests on the article's talk page. ColinFine (talk) 18:40, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Revert attack against me

Complete discussion is here and action is not yet taken against the user. Here: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1164#User:Shivam Thiruppathi. I do not understand why the user keeps reverting all my edits for no reason on various other articles apart from the article in conflict. They neither mention any reason in the edit summary nor responds in the talk pages or their user page. Additionally, his edit summary was in the nature of an attack in one of the instance, it doesn't provide any explanation for the revert and the other edits do not have any explanation. Here:[2] 456legendtalk 13:48, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

An admin tagged the user already to participate in the discussion. Kindly exercise patience while the matter is investigated. Tesleemah (talk) 16:52, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

@Tesleemah: User:Liz did that on 22 August, and has been ignored, while Shivam Thiruppathi continues to revert 456legend's edits without explanation. I don't think the latter is being impatient by asking here how to proceed. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:53, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

oops, I saw that the request was made today maybe I mixed up. Yes, you can follow up Tesleemah (talk) 23:37, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

@456legend: Please follow the process at WP:DR - you can open another WP:ANI request if you wish. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:53, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Citing for nitroglycerin

Hello! I wanted to know if The Anarchist Cookbook is a reliable source to cite for this article. It contains some info about this chemical, but I question its reliability. There is a copy of it on the Internet Archive, I believe. Kurnahusa (talk) 02:01, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Kurnahusa, clearly the Cookbook neither is an academic work nor was written by somebody with an advanced degree in chemistry. So if you want a simple answer, then it's no. But what do you want to cite it for? -- Hoary (talk) 02:15, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

@Hoary The Nitroglycerin#Manufacturing part, which needs more citations. Kurnahusa (talk) 02:21, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Kurnahusa, try a chemistry text. -- Hoary (talk) 02:29, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

I've found some sources [3] [4]. Some websites aren't open access unless log in through an institution which sucks. I'm a little too tired to edit at this point and my competence is at the bare minimum so I'll give editing a rest for now. Kurnahusa (talk) 03:02, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

A bombmaking and illegal drug manufacturing manual written by a teenager is not a reliable source. Cullen328 (talk) 04:34, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Kurnahusa, thank you for confessing that your "competence is at the bare minimum". As it's been decades since I last opened a chemistry textbook (either a very elementary one or one from the 1930s (!) that even then I only partially and hazily understood), my own competence would be seriously inadequate. Perhaps ask for help at WT:WikiProject Chemicals? -- Hoary (talk) 06:10, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

@Kurnahusa In this case, it is easy to find reliable manufacturing references from the compound's PubChem entry. If you could add the two cited sources to the article, that would be great. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:35, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull Excuse me for being incessantly annoying, but should I cite the website itself, or the books like Lewis, R.J., Sr (Ed.). Hawley's Condensed Chemical Dictionary. 13th ed. New York, NY: John Wiley & Sons, Inc. 1997., p. 797? Kurnahusa (talk) 01:48, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

@Kurnahusa That's not annoying and is a useful point. We should always cite the underlying source of the information, so the book in this case. PubChem is a database that brings links together but can sometimes be wrong. You should, ideally, check that the book does actually support what the Wikipedia article says. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:29, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

@Kurnahusa, I'll just add to this, since you're getting stuck behind paywalls: Internet Archive allows temporary borrowing of books if you make a free account there. IA's search function isn't great, so I tend to just google "Internet Archive "name of book"". They've got at least a few different copies of Hawley's Condensed Chemical Dictionary. -- asilvering (talk) 17:13, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

@Asilvering I can't borrow the copies; all of them say "Book available to patrons with print disabilities". Kurnahusa (talk) 23:50, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Bummer. Can't say I've ever been blocked from checking out a book for that reason. -- asilvering (talk) 23:55, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

And there we go. I cited the 15th edition since I couldn't access the 13th one. The text should be the same; only the pages are different. Kurnahusa (talk) 00:29, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Three students fell ill after drowning while giving relief, allegations of negligence in hospital treatment

learn more Siam7t9 (talk) 07:49, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

This page is for questions about the use of Wikipedia. If you have such a question, feel free to ask it. -- Hoary (talk) 08:19, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Proofread followed by edit - resistance against the edit

This is to bring to your kind notice that the information given on the Wikipedia is not correct, maybe someone did not try to look into it. 1. Name Spelling Correction, Party Status as active not dissolved hence pertaining text like existed till 1977 to be romoved. OmGanGanpataye (talk) 07:25, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

You have already asked this, and been answered, at WP:Help Desk#EDIT REVERT. If you want to continue the discussion please do so either there or at the Talk page for the article. Please don't start another thread in another place. ColinFine (talk) 10:24, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Article Talk Page Issue

Hey guys, I've created a new article and moved it from my sandbox to the main space, but the article talk page redirects to a different article's talk page. What have I missed and how may I go about correcting it? Article - St George's Anglican Church, Bluff Point OxygenToxicity (talk) 07:38, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Talk:St George's Anglican Church, Bluff Point is no longer a redirect. You may wish to add templates to it. -- Hoary (talk) 08:33, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @Hoary OxygenToxicity (talk) 11:25, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Content insertion

Hi, I'm going to write an article on ICC Development Awards but, all the awards are listed at ICC Awards. So, should this content be inserted at ICC Awards or have a different article.?

Moreover, the subject is looking bit promotional. However, I've gathered the required reliable sources. Should I start writing about it? If yes. Then, where it should be featured.? —𝐏𝐞𝐫𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐨𝐝𝐞𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐨(𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔) 11:01, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

From the hyperlink you provided: "Launched in 2002, the ICC Development Awards sheds light on the world-leading work being carried out in ICC Associate Member countries to grow the game globally, whether through innovative development programmes or through inspiring efforts on the field of play." I know nothing about cricket, but that sounds like something to insert into the existing ICC Awards article. David notMD (talk) 12:14, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Alright. Thanks.

I'll add that content at ICC Award#ICC Development Programme Awards. —𝐏𝐞𝐫𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐨𝐝𝐞𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐨(𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔) 12:48, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

AfC comment

Hi, The article Irish Cricket Awards has been created. But, the AfC comment is still there. Should I remove it or not.? —𝐏𝐞𝐫𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐨𝐝𝐞𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐨(𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔) 14:10, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

@Perfectodefecto Yes, feel free to remove it as it’s not in draft space. Kurnahusa (talk) 14:27, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Done. Thanks. —𝐏𝐞𝐫𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐨𝐝𝐞𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐨(𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔) 14:31, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

New cars for the car brand

Can help me in my draft article for Draft:Supercars of the World. Because I want more Bugattis more Lamb's and more brands for the cars let me know with a link if it's on Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NinjaMiura (talk • contribs)

Your draft is not suitable for Wikipedia as it contains no citations whatever. Please read the instructions in the box at the top of your draft, delete everything in the draft, and start again after finding reliable independent sources and studying WP:Your first article.Shantavira|^{feed me} 12:39, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Quoting: Everybody knows how excellent Ferrari is. Just look at the prancing horse. It is a great supercar for you. And has great handling. No, NinjaMiura, I know how expensive to maintain (and how fast to depreciate) a Ferrari is, but not how excellent it is. I'm pretty sure it would not be great for me. Before continuing to work on this draft, perhaps spend a little time reading existing articles and thinking about the way they're written. -- Hoary (talk) 22:39, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

I removed all of the images, as those were supersized, and not relevant to getting the draft approved, but this hodgepoge of personal opinions should be Speedy deleted. David notMD (talk) 12:31, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Gotta be honest here; while I respect the enthusiasm, this whole article seems like something for your personal blog, not an encyclopedia. Anything that likely could be useful in an article such as this would more appropriately be at Supercar or possibly a not-yet-created List of supercars. And everything has to be reliably sourced, not just your offered opinions. If you'd like to improve supercar content here, your best path would be to find key, reliably sourced, encyclopedic material on supercars, either generally or individual supercars, and make those articles even better. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 15:43, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Google index

Hi, The recently created article Irish Cricket Awards's talk page Talk:Irish Cricket Awards is getting indexed on the search page rather than its actual article page, whenever I try to reach the article by searching Irish Cricket Awards on Google. Is there anything to fix it manually.? or it will get fixed automatically? —𝐏𝐞𝐫𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐨𝐝𝐞𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐨(𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔) 16:58, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

@Perfectodefecto "recently created" is the main thing to look at here, for more you can see WP:INDEXING but I'll break it down quickly. Articles that are older than 90 days are automatically indexed, as are those that are reviewed by new page patrollers. Seemingly, article talk pages are automatically indexed regardless. Articles can take a while to be reviewed by NPP, as there is a hefty backlog at approximately 14k articles needing review, so don't be alarmed that it's not indexed yet, it will be in good time. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 17:03, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Got it. Thanks. —𝐏𝐞𝐫𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐨𝐝𝐞𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐨(𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔) 17:06, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Micah Abbey and Shamon Brown Jr. have no sources.

Why does Micah Abbey and Shamon Brown Jr. have no sources and need more sources to establish notability? Julian Louis (talk) 14:55, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

@Julian Louis: Welcome to the Teahouse. Could you check your spellings and supply us with links to the pages you're enquiring about, please? I can't find any articles with those exact titles, so it's hard to know how to answer you, except to say that article content should always be based upon proper sources to establish Notability.

If it's a newly-created article you're looking at, it might not yet have been scrutinised for notability. You can check if an article is very new by clicking the 'View History' tab, and looking at the dates of all its edits. Many thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:20, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Micah Abbey;  Courtesy link: Draft:Shamon Brown Jr. These BLPs, both about voice actors from the U.S. Midwest, were sent to AFC for lack of references when they were reviewed early last month. Now it's your job to {{Find sources}} that discuss their careers in depth; for starters, beware fansites and Amazon-owned platforms. If you can't find any, then they both likely fail WP:NACTOR. Come back and tell us if you have any further problems. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 17:13, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Replacing redirect with article

Hi, I'm working on an article for the bumblebee subgenus Alpinobombus (User:Dicynodont/drafts/Alpinobombus). Alpinobombus currently exists as a redirect to List of bumblebee species § Alpinobombus. I've read most of the help pages about redirects, how to create/delete a redirect, etc., but I'm still confused about how to handle this redirect and replace it with the actual Alpinobombus article. Am I supposed to do any moving of pages, e.g. move the userspace draft into the article namespace (which it says isn't possible because the article name is taken) and deal with the section redirect separately? Or do I just blank the redirect on the current Alpinobombus page and paste the draft content into it? Thanks for any help. Dicynodont (talk) 17:10, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Dicynodont. Please read WP:RTOA, which should give you the information that you need. Cullen328 (talk) 17:18, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

By chance, we had a similar question earlier today, now at WP:Teahouse#Draftifying a redirect which gives some more advice. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:25, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Great, thank you. Dicynodont (talk) 17:36, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

@Cullen328 Thank you! Not sure how I missed that. Dicynodont (talk) 17:34, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Article Deletion; An Inquiry into my Part_

I am Qazi Muhammad Asad Khan, a former Minister of Higher Education in Pakistan and i served as a member of the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa assembly for two terms. I don’t see my Wikipedia page anymore. In fact there was a link earlier which offered it as follows; Qazi Muhammad Asad Khan. Can you tell me why this article has been deleted? I’m worried since it was relevant to my political career as well as my public service. Qmapk (talk) 07:48, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Qmapk. The placeholder left behind after the article Qazi Muhammad Asad Khan was deleted states that it was created by a banned or blocked user, in violation of their ban/block. HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:24, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Click on the link and one reads "Created by a banned or blocked user (Thekhyberboypk) in violation of ban or block". "Uohabacasu" was blocked (i.e. prevented from editing, because of misbehaviour). Instead of appealing persuasively that the block was unjust or unneeded, the person using the name "Uohabacasu" thought "I'll just call myself 'Thekhyberboypk'; that will fool them!" Bad decision. It's called block evasion, and any draft or article created via block evasion is deleted. This deletion says nothing about your integrity or notability. -- Hoary (talk) 08:29, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

This means the article will not created again ? Qmapk (talk) 08:36, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

It does not mean that it will never be created, but it will need to be quite clear that it is not the blocked user or anyone associated with them. Please know that an article about yourself is not nececessarily a good thing. There are good reasons to not want one. My advice is that you go on about your life as if you had never heard of Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 08:43, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

@Qmapk Note that we have a Project called WP:WikiProject Pakistani politics and that page lists some of its active members (there are not many). You could enquire via the Project Talk page or via one of the member's talk pages, whether they think you would meet our notability criteria for politicians and, if so, whether they would like to work with you to draft an article about you. See also WP:YFA. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:18, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Mike i have done with this now. Qmapk (talk) 11:32, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Qmapk! As a former government member, and an elected member of a state parliament in a federal state, you do meet WP:NPOL and would be presumed notable. In other words, if someone (other than the blocked user) wrote a new article about you from reliable sources, it would certainly be kept. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:45, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Is there a max for ordered lists in source?

I am trying to add myself onto the list of participants for the Roots Music WikiProject and followed the formatting in source for ordered lists. The list as is has 39. points and when I add anything below marks it back down as 1. I'm not sure what's happening. Any help/advice/suggestions are greatly appreciated! Seanbhean-chríonna-caite (talk) 18:32, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Special:Diff/1243663772 seemed to work perfectly fine. Perhaps you added an extra line, creating an entirely new list instead of adding to the existing one? Please see WP:LISTGAP for details. Thank you, Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 19:20, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much! I'll keep an eye out for that in the future, and thank you for the link to the page too! Seanbhean-chríonna-caite (talk) 19:25, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

User:Ignatius_Keeling vandalizing user pages

User:Ignatius_Keeling seems to be doing the same thing that User:Simeon_Mortensen did.

Special:Contributions/Ignatius_Keeling

"User Simeon Mortensen was vandalizing user pages and has been blocked."

98.248.161.240 (talk) 20:33, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

That user has since been blocked, another sockpuppet in a long line of others. Please see their talk page. Thanks for bringing it to our attention. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 20:35, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Editing correcting a page.

Regarding Category:Songs written by Sunny Skylar

There is an important omission.

The most important song he wrote was "Don't Wait Too Long", which he wrote in 1965.

The song was recoreded by Frank Sinatra, Tony Bennett, and others. Can you tell me how to make the update? Thank you.

Regards, Scraigm55 Craig (talk) 05:25, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

The article need to be present on Wikipedia main space first before adding it as a category of songs by the artiste, but the Don't Wait Too Long song I can see here is by Madeleine Peyroux in 2004.

Once it's available in the main space, all you need to do is add the category template, Category:Songs written by Sunny Skylar inside a double bracket [[]] and the list will be updated automatically Tesleemah (talk) 05:46, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Draftifying a redirect

Hello there, I was wondering whether I can draftify an article that is currently a redirect, so that I can improve it and subsequently republish it in the mainspace? Thanks in advance, Mr Sitcom (talk) 07:33, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Mr Sitcom, what you can do is create a draft with the same name as the redirect (except that it's a draft). If you submit it for review and it gets accepted, it'll be the reviewer's job to sort out the redirect. Maproom (talk) 08:00, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

@Mr Sitcom You are quite experienced and have created several articles. If you are confident your new article will survive the new pages patrol, you can simply overwrite the redirect with your new text. See WP:RTOA. I would advise you to create the bulk of your new text in your sandbox or offline, so that when you copy/paste it into the redirect it already looks fairly complete. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:09, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you both for the advice! I will write up the article in my sandbox instead. Cheers! Mr Sitcom (talk) 06:33, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

how do I handle an offensive comment from a Barnstar Editor?

how do I handle an offensive comment from a Barnstar Editor? Walter Tau (talk) 00:27, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

@Walter Tau, can you clarify what you mean? I don't see any recent barnstars on your Talk page, or any barnstar templates in your recent contributions. Do you mean "how do I handle an offensive comment from an editor who has barnstars"? If so, the short answer is "the same way you handle an offensive comment from anyone else". What's the trouble? -- asilvering (talk) 00:30, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

>thank you for your reply. Here is the offensive comment:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Slavic_languages&action=history

curprev 2024-09-02T20:54:09‎ StephenMacky1 talk contribs‎ 70,620 bytes −227‎ Reverted 1 edit by Walter Tau (talk): Do cite sources instead of inserting your ignorant opinions here. undothank Tags: Twinkle Undo

curprev 2024-09-02T20:35:47‎ Walter Tau talk contribs‎ 70,847 bytes +227‎ →‎Branches: the previous text has some factually incorred statements. Particularly, South Slavic Croatian usee Latin alphabet, while mutually intelligible Serbian uses Cyrillic. Macedonian is nothing , but a dialect of Bulgarian. Also, the paragraph about mutual intelligibility between Slavic languages was factually wrong infor and no references. I fixes the infor and I will add references later. undo Tags: Reverted Disambiguation links added

>The trouble is that, based on my experience with wikipedia "some pigs are more equal than other pigs". I think, it is pretty clear , that StephenMacky1 violated Wikipedia's Code of Conduct (whatever it is), and I feel like taking it to the next appropriate stage. BTW, my editing is FACTUALLY CORRECT , and the previous text on wikipedia had NO citations. Walter Tau (talk) 00:37, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Well, I do think it's rude to revert someone's edit and say they have "ignorant opinions", but if you're willing to accept some advice, I'd suggest taking positive actions rather than retributive ones. That is, I think you can probably solve this problem fairly easily simply by reinstating your edit with the appropriate sources, or going to the talk page to discuss (again, with sources). I should warn you that "Macedonian is nothing but a dialect of Bulgarian" is unlikely to be a winning argument, since our article Macedonian language appears to disagree. -- asilvering (talk) 00:48, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

thank you for your advice. I understand, that this is a contentious topic, and my Bulgarian friends disagree with their Macedonian cousins. The truth is, that Macedonian and Bulgarian are more mutually intelligible in the spoken forms, than American and British Englishes (I deliberately typed "Englishes"- do not correct me). I will add supporting references from American linguists later. "ignorant opinion" is an offensive comment, especially if the writer did not provide any support for their argument.

Note, that the original text did not have any references. Walter Tau (talk) 01:04, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Walter Tau, if you haven't read them, you might find the articles South Slavic languages and Eastern South Slavic of interest.

I'm English (and a book collector), and agree about 'Englishes': when books are translated into French, for example, they are often described on the Copyright page as being 'from the English' or 'from the American'. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.1.209.45 (talk) 07:17, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

JSTOR Access

Hi, I might be wrong, but I remember Wikipedia gave me access to some libraries and websites like JSTOR where wikipedians can access research papers. I don't remember what accesses were given, and can't seem to find the message in my inbox or Talk Page archives. Can someone please help me with this? Do we get access to JSTOR? I need to read a paper. Waonderer (talk) 22:35, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

@Waonderer I'm fairly certain that The Wikipedia Library is what you're looking for. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 22:44, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes, Thanks a lot. Waonderer (talk) 22:51, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

@Waonderer, you can create a JSTOR account that will let you read 100 articles per month online. Just go to their homepage and click on "register." FactOrOpinion (talk) 00:25, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Oh yeah. Thanks a tonne. Waonderer (talk) 08:58, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

I'm IP blocked and I need to change my password

I've been trying to log in with my other devices, but I forgot my password. I can't change it because I'm IP blocked even though I have my email address linked. Is there a way to change it from a device that's already logged in? BadEditor92 (talk) 17:26, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Blocks have no impact on merely logging in. If you have forgotten your password, and the recovery email does not work, or you didn't have one, you may end up needing to create a replacement account. 331dot (talk) 17:33, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

I have a recovery email, I just don't know how to use it. BadEditor92 (talk) 19:20, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm not entirely certain how it works as I've not forgotten my password, but it should be providing instructions. 331dot (talk) 09:26, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

What was wikipedia's first article?

What was wikipedia's first article? 2601:483:400:1CD0:1541:589A:8F1E:588F (talk) 00:56, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Please see History of Wikipedia. -- Hoary (talk) 01:17, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Or better yet, WP:Oldest articles, which mentions Nupedia, William Alston, and List of female tennis players as candidates. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 09:41, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

A Confusion Regarding Multiple Accounts

As someone who frequently handles sockpuppet issues across various Wikimedia projects, I've recently noticed that multiple accounts(Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Бмхүн) and VPNs have been used in discussions related to Talk:Prayagraj_Airport#Requested_move. (I state this with certainty because meta.wikipedia.org has already confirmed this through a check.)

My confusion is simple and not a complex issue: Are the discussions on Talk:Prayagraj_Airport#Requested_move still valid under these circumstances? Rastinition (talk) 03:39, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Multiple !votes are not valid, and vote-stacking is one of the types of deceptive practices that makes socking so disruptive. I added a note to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Бмхүн. DMacks (talk) 13:52, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

I have reviewed the text from the SPI. Thank you for your feedback. Rastinition (talk) 10:24, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Massive issues with BLP

The page on C. S. Yogananda is as far as I can tell completely unsourced and from what the page tells me he’s still alive. How do you nominate a page for deletion? Because based on what I know of Wikipedia policy this page needs to be deleted. 22FatCats (talk) 09:23, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

C. S. Yogananda, just follow the recipe at Template:AfD in 3 steps. -- Hoary (talk) 11:18, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

@22FatCats There has been some possible vandalism on that page. This revision from 23 April had many more sources. It will take a fair bit of work to sort out what should be done but WP:AfD is probably not the correct approach. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:48, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

I've restored the article to the state it was in before User:BekhruzTursunboev took out a large chunk. I'll now work to tidy it up a bit. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:57, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

on rcats, again

r from title with diacritics is normally used for redirects with the same title (think pokemon for pokémon), which is cool and good, but does the presence or absence of the word "the" count as a big enough difference to warrant not including it (like the pokemon center, which i was just about to retarget to pokémon center)? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 12:52, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

It would be incorrect regardless, since the link you're about to retarget doesn't have a diacritic in it. -- asilvering (talk) 13:02, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to Teahouse! @Cogsan you can use {{Redirect category shell}} to include multiple RCAT templates namely {{r from title with diacritics}} and {{r from alternative name}} in this case. In some cases, like The New York Times it is warranted, but in case of the pokemon center I'd remove the from linked examples ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 13:03, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Reliable source

Hello there! Quick question, is last.fm considered to be a reliable source? Thanks in advance - feni (tellmehi) 09:30, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Greetings from an occasional fellow scrobblite. LFM is primarily a music-tracking service, and also contains user-generated bios. That said, it doesn't meet the WP:RS requirements. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 09:50, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

@FENFEN pretty much agreed with @Slgrandson but if there's a subject-expert who has a recording, for example a Professor/journalist of the relevant topic, you could use it per the exceptions outlined in WP:SPS (self published sources). Other sourcing is preferable ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 13:21, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Criação de uma página sobre mim como sendo compositor

Estou criando uma página sobre mim Guilherme de Souza Camillo Guilherme de Souza Camillo

Sabendo que as políticas do Wikipedia não permitem autobiografia

Mas te pergunto o que pode ser feito no meu caso

Inclusive já tive problemas de vandalismo e o IP bloqueado

Não sou nenhum vândalo

Guilherme de Souza Camillo.2024 (talk) 17:55, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Guilherme. If you know that Wikipedia's policies do not encourage Autobiography, why are you trying to do it, and in a language you apparently don't speak?

Autobiography is very strongly discouraged because it almost never works: most people are not capable of writing a neutral article about themselves.

If you meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, then somebody could write an article about you - but they will not be writing it for you, they will be writing it for Wikipedia. If you do not meet those criteria, then no article about you is possible, whoever wrote it.

I very strongly advise you to give up this idea, and spend your time and your energy on something which is more likely to be successful: either editing Wikipedia on subjects unconnected with you (and probably on Portuguese Wikipedia, not English) or work on your career somewhere other than Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 18:39, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Alguém se prontifica

alguém teria a vontade de criar um artigo sobre mim

Meu nome é: Guilherme de Souza Camillo

Um novato compositor

De Araraquara/SP

Estou começando agora

Mais o que não entendo Mesmo se outra pessoa mesmo do Wikipedia a questão de fazer um artigo sobre mim não seria a mesma coisa a realização de uma

Guilherme de Souza Camillo.2024 (talk) 19:24, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

@Guilherme de Souza Camillo.2024 Welcome to the Teahouse. Because this is English Wikipedia, we expect everyone to communicate in English. According to Google Translate, you asked (in Portuguese) "Would anyone be willing to create an article about me? My name is: Guilherme de Souza Camillo. A novice composer...I'm just starting out..."

Please be advised that Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia of NOTABLE THINGS. Has the world taken notice of you yet? Has mainstream media written about you in detail and in depth? Have you won major awards or had a chart success? You post here suggests that you have not.

So, if the answer is 'no', then the time is not right for there to be a page about your life or your achievements. Please use other social media platforms or websites to promote yourself. Once you become famous and are written about by mainstream media, or have musical success, then someone will surely want to create a page about you. Our criteria of notability for musicians can be found at WP:NMUSIC, and for people in general, at WP:NBIO. But even if you do become 'notable' and merit a page in this encyclopaedia, it would not be your page, and you would have no control over it. Everything in it would have to be based upon what published, independent sources have written about you. I regret to suggest that it is simply, TOOSOON. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:49, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

((edit conflict), more or less, with above comment saying mostly the same things) Well, first of all, please note that this is the English-language Wikipedia, most of us do not read or understand Brazilian Portuguese, I had to use Google translate just to determine what your question is. The short answer is that all article subjects have to be demonstrably notable as indicated by them alreadybeing the subject of significant coverage in reliable sources. So, as someone just starting out, that probably isn't you.

(machine translation)

Bem, antes de tudo, observe que esta é a Wikipédia em inglês, a maioria de nós não lê ou entende português brasileiro, tive que usar o Google tradutor apenas para determinar qual é sua pergunta. A resposta curta é que todos os assuntos de artigos devem ser demonstravelmente notáveis como indicado por eles jásendo o assunto de cobertura significativa em fontes confiáveis. Então, como alguém que está começando, provavelmente não é você. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 19:49, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Problemas na minha página

Fui bloqueado por ip eu já mandei para o e-mail unblock-ptwiki@wikimedia.org e nada

continuo bloqueado

Guilherme de Souza Camillo

Pra mim este wikipedia é perda de tempo Guilherme de Souza Camillo.2024 (talk) 12:52, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

@Guilherme de Souza Camillo.2024

Olá, Teahouse/Questions, bem-vindo(a) à Wikipédia! Apesar de esforços para melhorar a Wikipédia serem sempre bem recebidos, infelizmente suas contribuições não foram escritas em um nível de inglês bom o suficiente para ser útil. Você parece ser mais familiarizado com o Português; sabia que existe uma Wikipédia em português? Talvez você prefira contribuir lá em vez de aqui. De qualquer forma, bem-vindo(a) ao projeto e obrigado(a) por seus esforços! Se precisar de ajuda, por favor, sinta-se livre para me comunicar em minha página de discussão. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 13:05, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

@Guilherme de Souza Camillo.2024 Na Wikipédia em inglês, não podemos ajudá-lo mais, desculpe. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 13:06, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

This user appears to be blocked indef on pt.wiki, which is perhaps what they're trying in some way to resolve here? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:08, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Editing

I heard I can get help editing here. My article won't get accepted. Kudzuboss123 (talk) 14:20, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

@Kudzuboss123 Currently the article has no sources. This is a major issue, without any sources it will never be accepted. Additionally, upon searching for some sources for you I couldn't find any. Due to that, I'd advise that you put that article on the backburner for now until it has some sources, instead doing some tasks to build up your experience on Wikipedia. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 14:25, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Kudzuboss123, welcome to the Teahouse. Please stop resubmitting the draft; without reliable sources, it will not be accepted, and if you persist it may eventually be rejected, which is the end of the line. Also, you seem to have a conflict of interest here - please read WP:COI. 57.140.16.35 (talk) 14:27, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello Kudzuboss123. After looking over Draft: Nightshift at Barry's I thought it might be helpful for you to study Help:Referencing for beginners and Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources. Encyclopedia articles are not posted in order promote anything, articles inform people about what reliable references, not connected to the article subject, have to say about the article subject. Also “Officially written by Kudzuboss 123 himself” is not appropriate. If you look at other Wikipedia articles you will see that the writer never gets a byline. Articles are written anonymously, and others are free to come along later and make any edits that improve the article. Best wishes on your future Wikipedia projects. Karenthewriter (talk) 16:24, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks so if I remove it will it get approved? Kudzuboss123 (talk) 22:02, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

When Kudzuboss123 himself has written the article, that proves that the article is worthless. Everyone knows he is going to lie to make himself look good.

To be a good article, we have to prove that it DOESN'T come from Kudzuboss123. We need to be able to show that all the words in the article come from people who don't know him and are not his friends or employees. TooManyFingers (talk) 17:41, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Ok thanks, I understand. Do you think that would fix it and get it approved? Kudzuboss123 (talk) 22:01, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

I doubt it. I think you should give up on it, unless you can write it forward instead of backward. Read WP:BACKWARD (really, read it), you went about it all wrong. You should start over from scratch, finding reliable sources that are independent of you first before you write even a single word. See WP:Golden Rule (and memorize the three criteria) for the sources required. Every sentence you write must be verifiable in a reliable source. ~Anachronist (talk) 00:21, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

If no one has published about the game then there is no possible path to success. If you agree, put DB-author inside double curly brackets {{ }} at the top of the draft. This will be a request for an Administrator to delete the draft. David notMD (talk) 03:22, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! Kudzuboss123 (talk) 14:09, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Help me fix the coordinate

On this article, I am finding it difficult to perfectly fix the coordinate I got from Google maps using the minutes and seconds method. I would like an editor to fix the situation and then explain to me how the minutes and seconds method is used (which I don't understand) when the coordinates exceeds 60 seconds. Jõsé ^hola 14:18, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

The coordinates I got from Google maps is 6.8650426°N, 3.7036977°E, Thanks.

Jõsé ^hola 14:18, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

@Josedimaria237 It looks as though you have found the decimal degrees values. These need to be converted into degrees, minutes and seconds to work with the template {{coord}}. The article explains how to convert one to the other. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:31, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

.... or as the template page explains, you can make it format correctly using decimal degrees. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:33, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

I made the change with this edit. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:42, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Article

I am not great with my English. Also, this is my first time trying to create an article and I don't know how or where to start. DiarrhoeaDemon (talk) 16:46, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

OP is blocked. Anyone who shares OP's question should read WP:FIRST. -- asilvering (talk) 16:51, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Blocked for need to change name or abandon this account and start another. Has created Draft:Lusei, Declined. David notMD (talk) 18:01, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Proposing changes to an article

What is the best way to go about this? Rather than editing the page directly, is there any way to propose changes before an edit is made? Preferably to have them vetted by some higher-ranking user Pruning0252 (talk) 17:40, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

@Pruning0252, you can use Template:Edit request. But if you use this on a page that you can edit, you'll probably just be declined and told to make the edit yourself. If you think your edit is particularly contentious and might need some prior discussion, the first place to try is the article's Talk page. If you're just nervous about doing something wrong in general and not for some specific reason - be WP:BOLD! You can always come back here and ask a Teahouse host to have a look at your edit, if you're really unsure. -- asilvering (talk) 18:20, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Article heading assessment

Hey I really need a kind of quick acknowledgment to suggest me a perfect heading attributing the genuine name I can real determine framed in the article conventing the meaning to refine the historical approach towards the topic of Rathi Jats Clan but the plot twist it also contain the objective to cover the subtopic of Khap system “a prejudice body exist in HelpJat dynamic in the conservative society “ So which can be the most appropriate tittle suit in this complex case please help me to sort this out भारतसरकार-विभाग (talk) 15:17, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

In my personal remarking I found conjunction such as Rathi Khap of Jats (lineage) and Rathi-lineage of Jat community but i don't get any accumulated outcomes so far भारतसरकार-विभाग (talk) 15:21, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Bharatasrakar-Vibhag, and welcome to the Teahouse. I can only vaguely understand what you are asking, and I'm not sure which article you are talking about. But whichever article it is, the best place to discuss its name is on its talk page, and try and get consensus. If the editors involved in the discussion are unable to reach consensus, then dispute resolution gives ways to proceed.

You may also want to put a note at WT:WikiProject India inviting people to join the discussion you start on the talk page. ColinFine (talk) 18:53, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Draft Declined

I completed significant edits to Draft:Microsoft Azure Quantum with feedback from the live chat and reviewers. Is there anything else that should be fixed before submitting the draft for review? Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by CBathka (talk • contribs) 20:45, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

The best way to get feedback is to resubmit it. 331dot (talk) 20:50, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Dummy edits to user talk page

I just noticed that an editor has been making WP:Dummy edits (but without any edit summaries) to a user talk page where he previously posted a warning message. He's been doing this on an irregular basis for eight months (sometimes over a month goes by without him doing it, sometimes he does a half dozen in a single day), but he's accumulated well over 50 such edits to this user talk page. I can't recall seeing anything like this in my more than 15 years editing Wikipedia. Anyone have any idea what he's doing? Martin IIIa (talk) 13:37, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

If it's a new user, could be inflating their edit count, to game some sort of extended confirmed or other status?

Annoying the page owner by notification-bombing them?

Some sort of bot or similar automated tool malfunctioning?

I'm out. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:09, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

@Martin IIIa Welcome to the Teahouse. Would you care to link to either a diff or the talk page in question. One other potential explanation is that I occasionally give my permission for another editor to leave me test warning messages or make other edits to my talk page as part of my attempt to help them learn or test out what they're doing. Maybe they're doing the same? You might like to look at how the recipient reacts to these minor edits as that could be key. Or you could ask one of them directly what's going on. Without knowing who or what page you've been looking at, we can't comment further, or take any action. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:59, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

I prefer not to say anything that might identify specific editors when making an inquiry; I've done that before and it tends to blow up in my face, often with admins threatening to block me under the premise that asking about an editor's behavior is the same as accusing them. The recipient is largely inactive, having made less than 20 edits since this started, none with any apparent relevance to his talk page activity. If I'm feeling brave I might ask the posting editor about it. Thanks for the replies. Martin IIIa (talk) 18:29, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

@Martin IIIa sometimes these are signs of a WP:Sleeper account or WP:Gaming the system. Worth keeping an eye on it longer term. Such edits would remain visible if they do disruptive edits. At the same time, if it's not doing anything harmful or disrupting anything outside their own user pages, leave them alone? ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 18:37, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

It sounds like they're making edits to someone else's user talk page, though? Which sounds annoying at the least, harassing at the worst. -- asilvering (talk) 01:24, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, it's to someone else's user talk page. Sorry, I didn't realize until now that I hadn't made that perfectly clear in my initial post. Martin IIIa (talk) 22:20, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Request for review of my Draft

I created a draft called Draft:Siege of Madrid (1197) and i would like to see some comments to improve the page or even turn it to an article! Yaqub al-Mansur (talk) 14:11, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

You have submitted it for review, which may take place days, weeks, or sadly, months from now. The backlog is not a queue. You can continue to work on the draft while awaiting a response. If Declined, the reviewer will state reasons. David notMD (talk) 15:35, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello Yaqub al-Mansur. I am not a reviewer, but I looked at your draft article and thought it was a good start, but it is only six sentences long. While you're waiting for the draft to be reviewed you are able to do additional work, and you may want to go over your references once again and see if you can add some more details to your draft about the Siege of Madrid. Best wishes on getting your draft article approved. Karenthewriter (talk) 02:23, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Yaqub al-Mansur, I find it interesting that this siege is not mentioned at Madrid. Cullen328 (talk) 03:26, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Cullen328 The siege indeed happened Yaqub al-Mansur (talk) 21:16, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Yaqub al-Mansur, I am not questioning that the siege happened. I was just curious about why it isn't mentioned in the history section of Madrid. Cullen328 (talk) 21:33, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the compliment! And i will always make sure to find more details about the siege. Yaqub al-Mansur (talk) 21:13, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

References

FYI – Yaqub al-Mansur is a suspected sock puppet, and has been blocked. Karenthewriter (talk) 04:40, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Remove citations

How can I remove citations from my page? Bethg1996 (talk) 16:12, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

@Bethg1996 What page would that be? Citations are important around here, but context matters? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:15, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Presumably Draft:Adam Bierman, where the OP made their only other edit. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:45, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Then WP:TUTORIAL may be of help. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:19, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Fix article I cant

Please I am trying to fix an article but instead it look even more worse someone help and fix Umaru Musa Yar'Adua article infobox problemOneLastTruth (talk) 07:54, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

@OneLastTruth: done. There was only a single closing square bracket in one of the wikilinks. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:11, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Why can I not view the revision history of some articles?

The article Michael Middleton, for example in the revision history, if you go to protection log, and click on revisions history, it shows the date (10 March 2024), crosed out, and I cannot click on Prev (which means previous) but in other articles like Caillou I can. Why is this? Why is it crossed out like that? 142.114.181.79 (talk) 04:36, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

They're deleted revisions. Administrators have the ability to delete revisions from the page history. They usually contain vandalism and so on. The deletion log for the page often has a record of the deletion. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 04:45, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Just going to add that revisions tend to only be revdeleted due to serious policy violations such a WP:COPYVIO and WP:BLPREMOVE. There's still a record of such edits kept for Wikipedia licensing purposes, but leaving them publicly viewable is potentially more of a problem than it's worth and could bring the project into disrepute. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:56, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

In this case, a vandal had added a false death date to Michael Middleton, the father of Catherine, the Princess of Wales. Middleton is still alive. Cullen328 (talk) 08:16, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Editing help and advice

Hello Wikipedians. I gather this is where I can get help and advice on text and logistics. My first Wikipedia contribution was to update the page for David Cappo AO at David Cappo. The previous version had no information about his activities since 2012 so I provided them. However the entry has been flagged as having text written in a "promotional tone" and an Wikipedia editor also told me it was "problematic" that I had referenced an organistion's website. I think I know what the offending words are, and have developed a second draft, but clearly I can't just make the changes myself, and certainly can't delete the flag, without input from others. So I'm hoping someone can tell me what would make the entry acceptable to Wikipedia standards and how I would then be able to get the flag removed. And by whom. The new information is pretty straight forward and I would have thought non controversial, so I'm assuming its just the odd word or sentence. Thanks in advance. Nick2103 Nick2103 (talk) 08:35, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

@Nick2103: I can see no obvious issues with the article, so I have removed the {{Promo}} tag. Another editor left a generic message on your talk page which talks about things that may be wrong with your edit, but has not replied to your follow-up there. They may not have seen it, so I have just "pinged" them (as I pinged you here) to draw their attention. It would be useful if you could confirm whether or not you have any connection to David Cappo, so we know whether our COI policy applies, and can advise you accordingly. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:48, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Andy. I'm new to all of this. I know of David's past work as I live in Adelaide and a friend of his told me what he is doing now. He wondered how that could be added to his Wikipedia page so I said I would give it a go. Is that a conflict? The only new information is that he co-founded a new organisation in 2016, now lives jointly in Kampala and Adelaide, and no longer has an affiliation with one university but does with another. Nick2103 (talk) 09:12, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

It might be a conflict, but perhaps more relevantly that information isn't from a WP:Reliable source. Speaking of sources, what is the reason you removed the source from the sentence "Cappo was born in Adelaide and educated at St Joseph's Primary School at Kingswood and at Rostrevor College"? It's not clear from the edit summary. CMD (talk) 09:21, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

I will wait to see what is decided re conflict. Andy did not seem to have a problem with the source but maybe others will. As I said, this is my first time. The source you mention is at the end of the next sentence. It seemed more relevant to that early work that to his actual schooling. Thanks for the feedback. Nick2103 (talk) 09:45, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Reg: Maharaja Ranjit Singh's information

Dear Moderator, The page containing information on Maharaja Ranjit Singh need some serious edits as the present one is devoid of its merits as per the history. I need to contact the editor of this page. Warm Regards Sandeep Singh Sukherchakia Kanwar sandeep (talk) 10:42, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Kanwar sandeep, I'm not quite sure which article you're asking about. If the article is titled XYZ, then write your message at the foot of Talk:XYZ; so if it's Ranjit Singh, then write it at the foot of Talk:Ranjit Singh. -- Hoary (talk) 11:23, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

@Kanwar sandeep I see that you have now posted your concerns at the Talk Page of the article. However, you have not provided reliable sources for the details which you say are wrong. All Wikipedia articles are based on citing information already published elsewhere, so readers can verify what is said. Please provide your sources on the Talk Page or you are likely to be ignored there. Note that Wikipedia does not have content Moderators. All content is based on consensus. That particular article has had contributions from many editors and currently has over 200 people who watch it. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:41, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

The reliable sources for Sikh history particularly on my family is umdut-ut-Twarikh which is know as durbar book by Lala Sohan Lal suri which are based on Roznamcha. According to Umdat-ut-Twarikh at page No.56 the date of birth of Maharaja Khadak Singh should be 24th Feb, 1800 (as per english calander). Secondly, in the info under "Issue" section the names should be in the following sequence Maharaja Khadak Singh, Kanwar Rattan Singh, Kanwar Fateh Singh, Maharaja Sher Singh, Maharaja Duleep Singh in precise, but 2 names are missing. These two names along with the other names reflects in the family section below. My contention is that I am the direct living descendant of 8th generation of Maharaja Ranjit Singh I myself is an source of information and can provide you with the correct information.

In the "Early years" section It says Ranjit singh was born in a sandhawalia Jat Sikh family in Gujranwala Which is completely wrong and baseless because Maharaja was born in Badrukha in Sangrur district of Punjab and he was a SURYAVANSHI RAJPOOTRA of Kashyap Gotra which can be proved from the symbol of SUN decorated on his SAMADH which can be verified from many pictures in the internet and also can be witnessed by visiting that place. Maharaja Ranjit singh married one Laxmi Sandhawalia in his lifetime which means his wife Laxmi Sandhawalia was born in a Sandhawalia Jat Sikh family and not vice-a-versa.

Thanks & Regards,

"corrections sought for WIKIPEDIA page on Maharaja Ranjit Singh Kanwar sandeep (talk) 10:50, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Challenging

Talks about Gene's interested Jweighed1 (talk) 11:24, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

@Jweighed1 Almost all your contributions so far have been reverted and I have just reverted one you made to a policy page. If you continue to disrupt the encyclopaedia in this way you are likely to be blocked. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:04, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Article

Can someone please tell me how to start the introduction in an article? YourWorstNightmareDemon (talk) 14:14, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

MOS:LEAD goes into great detail about how to write the lead section of an article. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 14:21, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi! The article lead (the first few paragraphs before the sections) are usually a summary of the article's key points. It is not the easiest part to write, and the trick is to actually write it last once you have the rest of the article already done – you just have to summarize it! Ideally, the first sentence should tell what the subject is, followed by what makes it notable if it isn't immediately obvious. The rest of the lead can summarize the article, for instance chronologically (if it is a biography or a historical event) or by aspects of the topic. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 14:21, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Dead link

When editing an article with a reference that has a dead link, is it best to remove it? LeónGonsalvesofGoa (talk) 16:23, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

@LeónGonsalvesofGoa No, please don't. There is good advice on options at WP:LINKROT. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:25, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull:While I realize that you have provided the (general) canonical answer, IMO, it's really not going to be much help. The first part the reader comes across is "preventing link rot". In the given use case, this is completely irrelevant. So if somebody figures that much out, they then move on to usurpations. This goes on to an explanation of usurped domains, which in the situation that is explained, is a comparatively infrequent occurrence. Additionally, it's really extraneous to the issue of repairing a dead link. By this time, we'll have likely lost all but the most persistent of those editors who went to "LINKROT".

IMO, better to just state that some automated process may come along and fix it or perhaps some other editor will fix it. Good directions for recovering a link using archive are just plain complicated, and while many times these links can be fixed without too much difficulty, the general solution is beyond the scope of what (to the best of my knowledge) we explain anywhere in "LINKROT". Fabrickator (talk) 17:45, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

@Fabrickator All that is true. I give that sort of quick answer because my just saying "No, please don't" to the question asked would be terse to the point of incivility. That is, however, what the "Nutshell" part of the Linkrot how-to guide advises. If the OP had asked a more specific question (e.g. by giving the article name), then I would have tried to give a more customised answer. Mike Turnbull (talk) 08:55, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

@Fabrickator @Michael D. Turnbull For context, please take a look at Reference 11 (2024 Bangladesh anti-Hindu violence). LeónGonsalvesofGoa (talk) 14:01, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

@LeónGonsalvesofGoa That one's easy. It's at the Internet Archive at this URL. You can readily add that into the article: see {{cite web}} for the parameters to use, including |archive-url= Note that I don't speak Bengali so I can't confirm that the citation supports what our article says. I don't know why the bot couldn't fix this, since it is supposed to look at that archive. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:00, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

WP:DEADREF may be of help. LizardJr8 (talk) 22:52, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Can I use screenshots I took to improve an article?

I have been doing some work on the article for the game Redout, and I want to add an image for the gameplay section showing off the UI and look of the game. I can't find any images that I can legally use, so is it ok for me to use a screenshot I took that shows off those elements, or does that fall under original research or self published resources? I own a copy of the game, so there shouldn't be any legal issues. ApteryxRainWing (talk) 12:12, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

I recommend you read the entirety of Wikipedia:Software screenshots. Redout is still copyrighted software (even if you own a license to play it), so you must be prudent with it. This doesn't fall under original research or self published resources, but make sure the gameplay section itself isn't original research. win8x (talking | spying) 12:41, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

@ApteryxRainWing While you are working on the article, you might like to fix the duplicated references #4 and #8, using named refs and remove the tag someone placed at the top. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:22, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Question about citing sources

So I haven't done much yet because I have a small question about whether or not the rule of common knowledge applies to Wikipedia, and if so to the extent it goes to. I've tried adding things that I didn't know what to source with because it seemed like community knowledge, but it seems that those have been removed so I guess I don't quite understand it. Thank you in advance TheGoofyGobo (talk) 15:18, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi, TheGoofyGobo, welcome to the Teahouse! Generally speaking, "common knowledge" isn't a thing on Wikipedia. One of Wikipedia's fundamental principles is verifiability, which means that every statement in a Wikipedia article must be able to be verified by a reference to a reliable source. That doesn't necessarily mean that every statement needs an explicit citation attached to it, and whether to put one in or not can be subject to editorial judgment, but the rule of thumb is: if someone were to challenge it or remove it, you would need to be able to add that citation to address their concerns; if that's not something you'd be able to do on challenge, then you probably shouldn't put it in the article to begin with. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 15:24, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

@TheGoofyGobo One of Wikipedia's policies is that readers must be able to verify what articles say. Since our readership is very wide, we can't assume much "community knowledge". There is an essay about WP:SKYISBLUE (much weaker than a policy) that suggests some things are so obvious they don't need to be cited but that's risky and if you are reverted, the policy is always to provide a citation. Biographies of living people require particular care in their citations. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:26, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Biography article models

Hi and apologies in advance if this has already been asked, but I couldn't find it in the search (possibly I'm using the wrong terminology).

I am a very occasional contributor. I was trying to create a first article and wondered if there were any discussions or agreement on model biography articles that I could follow (particularly short ones).

Which ones do more experienced Wikipedians think are best practice? I've looked at a lot, long and short and they all seem to have different styles and headings of where they put author's works, articles, podcasts, videos etc. I have seen some discussion and general rules, which are useful, but are there any articles that are considered models by most?

For example, I was not sure where to put book review references- it seemed natural to use as a reference for an author's book, but they were all edited out, where should they go?

Thanks in advance for your help. ITellComputerYes (talk) 14:38, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

@ITellComputerYes Welcome to the Teahouse. We have a manual of style with general guidance for biographies: see MOS:BLP. If your subject is alive, then it is important to also read the policy at WP:BLP, in particular the bit about inline citations. In general, you should use articles rated good or featured as models but these are unlikely to be short ones. Note that your main task is to show how the person is wikinotable. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:11, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Many thanks @Mike Turnbull, that's really helpful. Makes me think I should have chosen a different / better new article (everything else on my list already had a page, but maybe that means I just need a better list). Also, that I should have asked more questions. Thanks again. ITellComputerYes (talk) 15:36, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

@Mike TurnbullAnd with regards to reliable sources and notability, I suppose I was mistaking book reviews for notability and citing them, when references needs to independent discussion of the person's life and work to pass the notability test. ITellComputerYes (talk) 15:41, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

@ITellComputerYes The specific notability guidance is at WP:AUTHOR. Sometimes, for a well-received book, that can meet WP:NBOOK while the author themselves doesn't have quite enough coverage. Book reviews (other than ones printed on the back of the book itself) may be detailed and match all the criteria in the golden rules for notability sources. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:02, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Mentor

Hey all so I think I’m losing my mentor. Would I be able to request for one through here. Not sure if this is the place for this. Thank you. T24boo 17:00, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

@T24boo I'm a mentor and I believe I can "claim" you, which I'll do in a moment.  Done Meanwhile, feel free to ask any questions on my Talk Page (or here where others will chip in). Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:04, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

a question possibly already answered

hi again, if I were to make an article about let's say, pizza. Does the history of the origins of that food need to be added? [=T Jude Marrero \=D (talk) 17:47, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes, you can add a bit of the origin to give insight about the particular topic of dicuss. However, make sure there are notable references to back your claim upTesleemah (talk) 17:56, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

ok, does it depend on how the claim is worded? or not, because I feel like if I word it differently then I;m gonna have to modify it Jude Marrero \=D (talk) 18:03, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Probably best to base what you write on what the sources say (without close paraphrasing). Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 18:05, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

ok, thanks [=) Jude Marrero \=D (talk) 18:06, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

I agree with @Chaotic Enby Tesleemah (talk) 18:07, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Nothing is truly necessary to add (if your article has enough sources to meet the Wikipedia:General notability guideline, even a short article is okay), but it's always a positive if you can write more about it! Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:56, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

I believe Help:Your first article will have the answer. Adam P. Larry (talk) 17:58, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Jude marrero, well written articles about culinary dishes and beverages usually summarize what reliable sources say about their origins. But there are often disputes about food and drink origins, so you need to present all sides of the story proportionally. Cullen328 (talk) 18:06, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Would it be apropiate to make a article about this?

I am talking about this video;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4-csEm16Og I want to make a article for it. Adam P. Larry (talk) 17:45, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Adam P. Larry: Is this specific video discussed in multiple news articles published by reputable newspapers, or covered by some other publication that meets WP:RS? If not, then no, it's not appropriate to make an article for it. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 17:58, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

I will get an article I remember about suicide prevention. Adam P. Larry (talk) 18:00, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi, individual videos are rarely notable, but if it has been discussed multiple times in, say, news media, you could write something based on this coverage. (Self-published sources like blogs or other YouTube videos don't count for notability coverage) Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:58, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

How many times should it have been mentioned? Adam P. Larry (talk) 18:03, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Usually, three is good, provided each is in-depth enough to write some of the article based on it. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 18:06, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

.Thank you. Adam P. Larry (talk) 18:13, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Flags of Finnish municipalities

A lot of pages for significant Finnish municipalities show flags that are just edited versions of the coat of arms. This is despite the fact that these don't tend to be official. Could someone look into this? KurkkuStadist (talk) 18:09, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

KurkkuStadist, since you say you are from Helsinki, then I think that you are the best person to look into this. Cullen328 (talk) 18:15, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Sandy hook weapons seem to not have category

I think the sandy hook page should have it's own weapon category with links to the weapons articles. Like on the columbine high school shooting article it has this category. Thank you! Adam P. Larry (talk) 17:29, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Note to resonder, this user is most likely talking about the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in 2012, and the Columbine High School massacre in 1999. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 17:33, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Correct. Adam P. Larry (talk) 17:34, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

I will also want to include to the edit the 2 links: Bushmaster XM-15 and Saiga-12 Adam P. Larry (talk) 18:10, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

From all the sources I could gather it seems it would be appropiate. Adam P. Larry (talk) 18:21, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Why am I ceasing my donations to Wikipedia effective today?

tl;dr: How dare you ask me to cite my edits?

I have been a monetary and article/comments/changes contributor for many years. Never has Wikipedia found any of my proposed entries to be false or inaccurate. You have arbitrarily decided that I lack credibility. Your holy grail is the ability of a contributor to provide citations/references. This I believe is naive and erroneous. Rather consider the history/credibility of the proposed editor. Just because someone has a reference or footnote doesn't make the proposed change true or accurate. I could cite Adolph Hitler's Mein Kampf to support a basis for the hatred of the Jewish people. Would that make the change proposed accurate? Obviously not. You need to distinguish critical/negative posts from generic/harmless posts. When I tell you I have seen a movie ten times and propose a change based on that you should not get high and mighty on me. The process of making changes is ridiculously not user friendly and I will have none of it, hence no more money for you. Don't get me wrong, I will endeavor to use Wikipedia as a reference, yet I could make a career of pointing out items you have omitted. See my post on the television performance in 1962 by Lon Chaney Jr. for instance. PatBrennan (talk) 18:37, 4 September 2024 (UTC) PatBrennan This is a place for new users to ask questions about using Wikipedia, not a place to air grievances with Wikipedia. Note that donations go to the Wikimedia Foundation, to operate the computers Wikipedia is on and other Foundation activities. Us editors do not see the money, and donating or withholding donations has no impact on content or editing practices. Of course, you may use whatever criteria you wish to determine what donations you make- but also know that the Foundation's finances are stable at the moment, so you aren't really hurting them too much. Verifiability is one of the more important principles of Wikipedia. That is why references are required. We can't reference any individual's personal experience or knowledge- because we have no way of verifying that any particular user is who they say they are- and because what they say can change over time. Truth is in the eye of the beholder these days(when Capitol rioters who sought to execute the Vice President of the United States are dismissed as "tourists") so we focus on what can be verified; see WP:TRUTH. This does not mean that inaccurate information cannot be corrected. Is there a particular situation that we can help you with? 331dot (talk) 18:48, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Employ AI-driven animation software to ensure smooth and professional character movements.

Employ AI-driven animation software to ensure smooth and professional character movements. 45.124.15.205 (talk) 04:41, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Feel free to do it yourself. -- Hoary (talk) 05:25, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Animation software already does this. No AI is necessary for such trivia. Shantavira|^{feed me} 12:51, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

This is not relevant to Wikipedia in any way. CharlieEdited (talk) 00:07, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

This might be some piece of automated software to post advertising anywhere it can find text editors on the web. 22FatCats (talk) 09:24, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not the place for self-promotion or advertising. The purpose of Wikipedia is to create a place to learn about things, entirely community-driven. MacaroniPizzaHotDog (talk) 03:25, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Sir, I want you to explain what in god's name you are trying to ask? Wikipedia is one the biggest online encyclopedia's, not an advertisement. Artificial Intelligence, is worse than human artists. Please shut your mouth, your username looks like an IP address, and you sound like a bot. It's simply facts. Nojboj (talk) 23:42, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

How to add an image to a userbox in the UBX creator?

I'm currently hoping to make some new userboxes and I want to include images in the ones I hope to create. Some userboxes will contain only one image while others contain two on both sides. However, I'm struggling to figure out how to add images to the given code in the creator. Any advice on how to do so would be greatly appreciated! Surayeproject3 (talk) 20:31, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

@Surayeproject3: What do you mean by "the UBX creator"? If you refer to something specific you saw somewhere then please link it. Or do you just want to create userboxes? With a template like {{userbox}} you can choose to add image code in the id parameter. For example, User:UserBox/User Earthling says id = [[Image:The Earth seen from Apollo 17.jpg|43px]]. {{Userbox-2}} has two parameters id1 and id2 which can both be used for images. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:46, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

I just want to create userboxes, and I meant the Userbox creator provided. How can I see the specific code for a userbox so I know how to base my own template for userboxes I wanna create, especially for two images? The process is kind of confusing me as it is my first time making userboxes. Surayeproject3 (talk) 00:16, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

@Surayeproject3 You don't need to use User:UBX. You can have a userbox anywhere in your userspace (which is what you should do) such as User:Surayeproject3/Userbox BlahBlah. You can see the code for {{userbox}} (that's the userbox creator) at it's documentation. Paste the code in Template:Userbox/doc#Usage on your userbox page, and edit the values you want, and you can look at examples here Template:Userbox/doc#Examples. Once you're done, preview the page and if it looks good, publish it! win8x (talking | spying) 02:51, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

@Surayeproject3: I don't know what you mean by "the Userbox creator provided". I asked for a link. {{Userbox-2}} has documentation of its parameters. You can click the edit tab at User:UserBox/User Earth to see an example use with two images. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:58, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter This is the link I'm referring too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Userbox_Maker Surayeproject3 (talk) 23:18, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

@Surayeproject3: Wikipedia:Userbox Maker uses {{Userbox}} which does not have an option for images in both sides. Use {{Userbox-2}} for that. I don't think it has a "Userbox Maker" but you can just copy and adapt code from the documentation or an existing use like User:UserBox/User Earth. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:34, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

@Surayeproject3: Please make sure you carefully read through WP:UBX#Caution about image use before adding any images to an userbox. Not all images you see used on Wikipedia are licensed the same way, those licensed as non-free content can't be used in userboxes. If you try to do so, they will almost certainly be removed (perhaps rather quickly) by either a WP:BOT or a Wikipedian that reviews how files are being used. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:03, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

I should be good to use images that are on Wikimedia Commons, no? The images uploaded there have to be in public domain either way, but let me know if there are other rules surrounding this Surayeproject3 (talk) 23:19, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

@Surayeproject3: Commons images must have a free license or be public domain. It's not the same but both are allowed in user boxes. If it's not public domain then the image must link to the file page but it does so by default. You are only allowed to disable the link with |link= in the image code if the image is public domain. Some images were uploaded to Commons with an invalid license and aren't actually allowed there but if you didn't upload it yourself then just assume that the license is valid. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:43, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Changing date format

I recently changed the date format on a stub article Escape from Germany (2024 film), an American film about German events, over to the American mdy format. It was undone by Szagory who claimed since they created the page, they get to choose which format is used per MOS:DATERET. This seems to me like WP:OWNBEHAVIOR. Was I wrong here? Limmidy (talk) 11:55, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

@Limmidy I'd say a mix of yes and no. Although the film is an American film, it is set in Germany and thus has ties to both, so really it is a bit of a toss-up and you should probably follow the initial date formatting as per DATERET. Although I can definitely see where you're coming from due to how they worded the revert, I wouldn't see citing DATERET as a case of ownership behaviour as they are using sound reasoning.

What I would advise is that you follow BOLD, Revert, Discuss in the future, it's a really good method for settling these sorts of issues. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 12:07, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Howzit Limmidy,

Just to clarify my position: I personally have no objection to mixing date formats (MDY vs. DMY) and English spelling variants (American English vs. Commonwealth English), provided that they are not side by side.

But at the same time there is first major contributor rule - and it was me who created that article, I use Commonwealth English spelling and I prefer dates to be in DD-MM-YYYY format. I realise that this film is American - but at the same time it is about events in Nazi Germany, not USA. For somebody to complain now that non-American spelling and non-US date format is used - pardon my honesty, but that sounds a bit rich: the film was released in the States since April (for almost 5 months), and nobody has bothered to create an article for it. But now that I've created it, for somebody suddenly to decide to change the spelling and date format - such changes can't be regarded as "major contribution", don't you agree? 😕

Once again: please feel free to use American date format and spelling - but at the same time please respect my prerogative as article's creator and first main contributor to use spelling and date format consistent with my original text. Hopefully no bad feelings, mate? 😉

Cheers,

Szagory (talk) 12:25, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

No bad feelings at all - this isn't even a complaint, just looking for clarification on guidelines. I originally made the change because the article only described the film as an "American historical drama film" from an American director released in the US at that time of the change, and the infobox was using the mdy format, so I switched it over similarly to how another American film relating to Germany Fury (2014 film) had it. Nothing more! Limmidy (talk) 14:03, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

@Szagory: That's not a "rule", and even if it were, it does not give you a veto. It says (my emboldening) "If an article has evolved using predominantly one date format, this format should be used throughout the article, unless there are reasons for changing it based on the topic's strong ties to a particular English-speaking country, or consensus on the article's talk page." Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:19, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi Andy,

I see your drift and agree with it, to large extent - and of course I acquiesce completely to your point that ideally consensus should be reached regarding changes to date format or English spelling variant to be used throughout any given article.

At the same time there is no such rule that articles on all US-related topics should stick to American date format and/or American English, is there? And MOS:DATERET clearly says:

The date format chosen in the first major contribution in the early stages of an article should continue to be used... Where an article has shown no clear sign of which format is used, the first person to insert a date is equivalent to "the first major contributor".

And there was a clearly date in DD-MM-YYYY format in article's WP:Lead, wasn't there? 😉

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Hi Limmidy,

Yes, I'm not aware of a way to customise Film date template to display dates for WP:Infobox in a specific format (you know, like "is_UK" parameter for Infobox weapon). Hence dates in Infobox film might indeed look inconsistent with date format in the article, unfortunately.

But so far as my "barney" with you (if it were to be regarded as adversarial 😋) goes: like I said, I wouldn't insist on all future changes to Escape from Germany (2024 film) being made strictly with non-US date format and British English spelling (IMO, date formats and English spelling variants could be mixed within reason in the same article) - so if you want to, we could remove Use dmy dates from the article altogether. But please just don't expect me suddenly to change the spelling (and to lesser degree, date format) in an article which was created by me. 😎

P.S. Could somebody go ahead and add a theatrical release poster image for Escape from Germany (2024 film) to the article, please? Because I'm never sure where people get such images without violating Wikipedia's copyright restrictions... 🙄

Szagory (talk) 15:09, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

You are quite correct that a rule which I neither claimed or implied exists does not exist. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:23, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi Limmidy,

I've started watching the film and quickly lost all interest in it - it's one thing for a film to be made on shoestring budget, but it's something else to see an inexpensively made production with stilted acting, riddled with historical inaccuracies, and with dialogue that can only be described as "Bible bashing" (what really got me was a line spoken by a Mormon missionary and addressed to American consul-general: "Heber J. Grant has a better source of intelligence than US military", meaning obviously God)... 😕

The article is all yours, mate - and you can change the dates in it to US format, if you want. But if possible, I'd appreciate it if my original British English spelling in the text were left unchanged.

Good night,

Szagory (talk) 23:01, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

@Szagory: @Limmidy: As an American myself, I'll say that while British spelling appears to my eyes as archaic and sometimes pretentious, I must say that the US/American way of representing dates is downright stupid! I'm all in favor of adopting the dd-mm-yyyy and yyyy-mm-dd formats in all articles. All Americans understand both, anyway! An American film, even about an American topic, is not harmed by using internationally-accepted date formats. Let's lose the US format. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:23, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

@Szagory @Anachronist Both of these comments are hilarious!! Personally I have no interest in the article or the film, but I like this answer about the harmlessness of using internationally-accepted date formats. I should've considered that. Thank you all! Limmidy (talk) 00:35, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

@Szagory, above you said I personally have no objection to mixing date formats (MDY vs. DMY) and English spelling variants (American English vs. Commonwealth English) and again IMO, date formats and English spelling variants could be mixed within reason in the same article. Please be aware that this idea is inconsistent with the Manual of Style, which at MOS:CONSISTENT says The conventions of a particular variety of English should be followed consistently within a given article, and at MOS:DATEUNIFY says Dates in article body text should all use the same format. CodeTalker (talk) 00:40, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Category:Pages using WikiProject [insert project] with unknown parameters

In Special:WantedPages, a lot of the most wanted pages are empty categories for pages that use a WikiProject with unknown parameters. In fact, the most wanted page, with nearly 120,000 pages (most appear to be talk pages) linking to it, is the empty category "Category:Pages using WikiProject Lepidoptera with unknown parameters". Why is that? BombCraft8 ^{(talk) (contributions)} 00:26, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello, BombCraft8. The banner template is causing that. You'd get the most informed answer by posting to this talk page: Module talk:WikiProject banner. Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 05:33, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

@BombCraft8: Some users make articles about most described species. Lepidoptera says "About 180,000 species of the Lepidoptera have been described". Around 120,000 talk pages use {{WikiProject Lepidoptera}} which uses Module:WikiProject banner which uses Module:Check for unknown parameters. I haven't examined the details but I guess the latter always checks for existence of a category for unknown parameters so the talk page can be added to the category if an unknown parameter is found in the call of {{WikiProject Lepidoptera}}. Such an existence check can have the same effect as a link and make it look like the category is extremely wanted. I don't know how many of the 120,000 talk pages would actually be added to Category:Pages using WikiProject Lepidoptera with unknown parameters if is was created but it's probably very few, unless an allowed parameter is incorrectly registered as unknown. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:58, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

The category is empty, the pages just link to it. BombCraft8 ^{(talk) (contributions)} 13:29, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

@BombCraft8: They don't actually link to it. They only make an ifexist check to se whether the category exists. This is registered as a link in some MediaWiki features even if there is no link. For example, the pages are listed at Special:WhatLinksHere/Category:Pages using WikiProject Lepidoptera with unknown parameters. Help:What links here#Overview says: The parser function #ifexist: causes a listing in "What links here" among the normal links, even though no link is produced. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:22, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

I'd suggest removing the ifexist check, since it causes all these categories to clog up WantedPages BombCraft8 ^{(talk) (contributions)} 01:19, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Ok BombCraft8 ^{(talk) (contributions)} 13:30, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

German Infobox trouble.

I am asking a question for a German translation article of George Finey. Is there any sort of Infobox that can work with comic artists or just a regular person. I used Infobox by itself but it seemed insufficient. Any advice will be greatly appreciated. Nojboj (talk) 23:30, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Asking this question on German Wikipedia would have provided you with the best answer! Tesleemah (talk) 01:21, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

@Nojboj: Ask at de:Wikipedia:Fragen_von_Neulingen RudolfRed (talk) 01:25, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Pay walled sources

What is WP's policy regarding the use of pay-walled reference's as reliable sources. If the source cannot be viewed by the reader without payment what purpose does it serve. It is basically not available since most readers will not pay. Buster Seven Talk (UTC) 12:43, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

@Buster7 The easiest way to explain this is to look in the general direction of The Wikipedia Library. Paywalled sources are fully acceptable on the assumption that if the person providing the source can access it and can state what's on there when prompted, it's fine. You can also ask someone at the Resource Exchange to look at it for you. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 12:49, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick response. Buster Seven Talk (UTC) 12:50, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Buster7, for many topics, the best sources will be books written by academics and published by university presses. I do not think we should exclude those sources because the text is not available for free online. Cullen328 (talk) 17:47, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Cullen, yes. True enough. But it does present a problem when the source cannot be read to verify that what is claimed is actually in the article. I can't check to read for myself and, in so doing, verify that the claim has not been misunderstood or mis-represented. Buster Seven Talk (UTC) 01:44, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

If you're concerned that a source added by someone else is being misrepresented and are unable to verify it yourself, you can discuss it on the article's talk. Perhaps someone who can access the source can provide the verification you seek. You can also ask about it at WP:RX or WP:RSN since one the regulars at those noticeboards might be able to verify the source. If you're unable to read a source yourself that you want to add in support of some article content, then you probably shouldn't use it until you're able to verify its WP:RSCONTEXT. Wikipedia policy only requires that source be reliable, published and accessible. See WP:PUBLISH and WP:PUBLISHED for some more information on this. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:52, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

How can I add a new page about a music artist if I'm a brand new editor/member?

Hello! I am a 51 year old musician living in New York, and I have had an extensive career performing/touring/recording with many artists. Could someone begin a page about me that I could then edit? Thank you ! Linktree.com/Benoir Benoir Metzger (talk) 03:28, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Benoir Metzger. Please be aware that autobiographical editing is strongly discouraged, and that you should follow the guidelines for editing with a conflict of interest. We have a notability guideline for musical performers that you should read. My brief internet search failed to find evidence that you are a notable musical performer as Wikipedia defines that term. Cullen328 (talk) 04:55, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Checking for recent discussion activity across multiple wikiprojects?

There are a ton of wikiprojects under the WikiProject Music umbrella, and I'm wondering if there's an easy way for me to tell which sub-projects have had recent discussions without having to click on each one individually. Ideally I'd love if there was a way to sort the directory by recent activity, but if not, would my best bet be to add all the talk pages to my watchlist and just check that on occasion? Does anyone else have experience with looking for recent/active discussions across several wikiprojects? Thanks in advance! Violetstork (talk) 03:06, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Violetstork, try clicking this search link. In the search box, replace the words in all-caps with your own search keywords, and hit the blue search button and check out the results. Come back and lmk if it is working for you, and if not, what problems you are seeing. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 06:26, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Seeking advice regarding a musical artist's notability

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Hi everyone. I've posted this as a question over on the Talk page of WP:MUSICIAN, but wanted to ask it here as well. I stumbled upon some news for an Israeli-Palestinian pop group called as1one, of which, a draft already exists. I've since edited the draft based on the new news/existing press in the draft. They have some decent press (Billboard, Variety, People, some newspaper coverage) but have yet to release anything. Conventional wisdom tells me that they're notable/approaching notability based on the publications reporting on them (based on traditional WP:V and note 1 of WP:BAND), but I'm curious what outside opinions would say about this situation, considering they haven't produced any songs/videos. A documentary about the group is due to be released on Paramount+, but obviously has not been released yet. I'm curious, does the existence of good quality articles dictate their notability despite not having released any content? 30Four (talk) 23:24, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

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Help!

Are you allowed to use ChatGPT for Wikipedia? Please let me know if i should use ChatGPT for editing or not! DANiHeARTz. .MEE (talk) 15:17, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello, DANiHeARTz. .MEE, and welcome to the Teahouse.

The answer is that is is discouraged. Please see WP:LLM for the reasons. ColinFine (talk) 15:33, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

@DANiHeARTz. .MEE Welcome to the Teahouse. In essence 'NO' (but see below).

You should carefully read these two essays Wikipedia:Large language models and Wikipedia:Large language models and copyright (including the 'See Also' links at the bottom of each page) to understand the serious pitfalls and traps in using any AI tool to create content to place ni Wikipedia. Basically, don't let it regurgitate nonsense which you then paste into Wikipedia believing it to be neutral and true, and as if you had written it when you hadn't.

As you know, AI tools have sucked up tons and tons of proper, high-quality, human-written content (including Wikipedia articles) and is now regurgitating it to others as if it were written and analysed by a human when it has not. It's a rapidly developing field, and I don't believe we've yet got any formal policies on its use or application here on Wikipedia. But please avoid it. I fear for a bland and error-filled future if AI content is repeatedly used and reused to generate content that other AI tools then use and reuse to generate more 'new' content.

That said, if used indirectly, and with caution, it can have its uses - and I've been using it extremely carefully myself recently whilst drafting an article on a very obscure European glacier. Basically, I used ChatGPT to "write an article on XX glacier in the style of a Wikipedia article and supply a list of relevant sources". I then pasted that response into an offline word processor and am working my way through the references it found to assess their accuracy, content and usefulness to me. I'm simply looking at the response ChatGPT gave me as a quick layout and content prompt. But I'm still writing the content myself based upon me actually reading and checking those references!!! You must do that to should you ever be tempted - and do the actual writing yourself.

We have a saying here in the UK that You can't polish a turd. So, if you think that without any critical or analytical skills we should let editors use AI tools as a lazy way to avoid doing any proper editing work ourselves, I'd have to ask you why you'd bother coming here to contribute in the first place? Once you've let AI generated content into this encyclopaedia, why not simply encourage everyone else to use AI tools directly and simply blow up Wikipedia with all its human input, oversight and analysis? So please tread extremely carefully, and avoid it if you don't have confidence in your own ability to judge accuracy of Reliable Sources for yourself. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:49, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Adding to what Nick Moyes said, I would not recommend using ChatGPT in WP-discussions either (not that you did). See for example Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard/Archive_206#Madame_Tussauds_COI Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:27, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Ok thanks for this amazing info. DANiHeARTz. .MEE (talk) 06:14, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Ive clicked on both links and read them on my mind, also watched some of the video that's "06 Lighting Talk" in WP:LLM. DANiHeARTz. .MEE (talk) 06:42, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Here is an article that suggests some ways AI could be used to actually improve Wikipedia. [5] Thellosnellow (talk) 02:47, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

You technically can, but I wouldn't suggest using it. Wikipedia is better when actual writers, with talent, contribute. Maybe work on essays, and you can try an article. @Thellosnellow does mention AI's contributing, but leave the writing to humans. ChatGPT can't tell us how many r's are in the word strawberry, I don't think we should allow it to write. Citations would be horrible to find. Same with links. Overall, even if AI was advanced enough, it shouldn't be writing in a place where facts matter a lot, and you must be able to prove them. Nojboj (talk) 23:47, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

With ongoing rapid advancements, I think there is a role for AI in writing articles. Thellosnellow (talk) 02:24, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Well agree to disagree. Nojboj (talk) 10:16, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Whatever happened to {Color|Gradient}

I dont know what happened to the option to use the gradient option on a Color template. Seriously what happened? shJunpei talk 17:59, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Shjunpei, can you be more specific? What template? Do you have an example where it is not working as you expect? Mathglot (talk) 06:59, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Mainly all the color templates ive tried. shJunpei talk 09:52, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

How do you think somebody who want to answer your question should know which templates you have tried? Even two examples only would be better than this answer. 2A02:3032:307:F168:CD3E:8CD1:DA3E:C693 (talk) 10:09, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

@Shjunpei: {{color}} does not have a gradient parameter and never has. See Template:Color § TemplateData. Bazza 7 (talk) 10:19, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

What.... but i thought it did. shJunpei talk 11:56, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

donation

i have used QR CODE to UPI pay 312/- through mobile but that is not recorded on the payment page. and that page prompting to pay. find a solution to direct the payment acknowledgement in that manner. many will be feeling that. 103.241.225.164 (talk) 16:26, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

We can't help with donation questions here. send your inquiry to donate@wikimedia.org RudolfRed (talk) 16:32, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Is this article now ready

An article I created but still in the draftspace Draft:Ndagi Abdullahi was previously deleted by WP:PROD, see deletion log. I don't know if the one I recreated is now ready to be moved to the mainspace. Is it now verifiable with my added references. Jõsé ^hola 07:58, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Josedimaria, I noticed very quickly that the content about his early life and education was copied directly from your first reference. That is a violation of WP:COPYRIGHT and you cannot use a long quotation not clearly indicated as a quotation as a complete section. Your prose must be your original writing, not a cut and paste job from your references. Use of direct quotations should be a small percentage of your prose, and the reader must be able to distinguish quotations from originally written content, which should constitute most of the prose. Cullen328 (talk) 08:07, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Apart from that, is there any other improvement you think should be done?

Secondly, can you help me re-write that section. Thanks @Cullen328: Jõsé ^hola 10:45, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Josedimaria, I am sorry but I am not familiar enough with the reliability of Nigerian sources to assist you any further. Cullen328 (talk) 18:46, 5 September 2024 (UTC)