Talk:Champagne wine region

Under appellation rules, around 4,000 kilograms (8,800 pounds) of grapes can be pressed to create up to 673 gallons (either 2,550 L or 3,060 L) of juice. The first 541 gallons (either 2,050 L or 2,460 L) are the cuvée and the next 132 gallons (either 500 L or 600 L) are the taille. Prior to 1992, a second taille of 44 gallons (either 167 L or 200 L) was previously allowed. The description above seems to have taken from an American source and translated. The "gallon" has at least 2 translations into litres. One using the American gallon and another using the English gallon. French law does not recognize "gallon" so it makes no sense to say that production can be 2,550L or 3,060L. Perhaps someone can research the french law and correct this article

GA review

This article is reasonably well-written, although editors might consider a good copyedit to refine the prose a bit further, as it can get a bit awkward at times. It describes the history of the region quite well, and goes into very good detail with regards to the wine & champaigne production. However, it pretty much stops there. If the article is about a province in France, I would expect to see information about the government and politics of the province, as well as the culture of the people. What about the demographics of the population, transportation, economy, sports, etc? Certainly, the people living here do more than drink champaigne! The article is titled 'Champagne (province)', which tells me it should be about a geographic locale, and should go into more depth about the location, instead of concentrating on one aspect of the economy. Editors might even consider putting all of the champaigne/wine production related materials in one section, with a link to a separate article on that aspect alone, since it appears to be quite major.

If I were to rate this article, I'd put it somewhere between start-class & B-class. It's a bit more of a start, but just barely. It's missing a lot of information.

It might be helpful to review WP:CITE for info on citing sources, as well as the good article criteria and the manual of style.

Good luck! Dr. Cash 04:24, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Well this article is actually more about the wine region then the governmental locale/sports teams/etc. However, I can see the confusion with title. As a former, GA reviewer I am well aware of WP:CITE, WP:WIAGA, and WP:MOS so I was hoping for something a tad more specific in terms of improvement. Since the titling seems to be the major issue, I'll retitle the article more appropriately. Other then that, I'm not sure what more would need to be done based on this review? Agne^Cheese/^Wine 18:23, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

GA passed. The confusion about the scope has been addressed. I'm particularly impressed with the scrupulous sourcing and pleasing prose. Congratulations on this very well done article! Sandstein 05:39, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

The first line in the second paragraph of "pleasing prose" in this delightful article would have us believe that "the history of the Champagne wine region" is "located at the northern edges of the wine growing world." ~ 75.19.35.89 (talk) 10:23, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

After a second review, I concur that this article is well written and well-sourced. However, the only comment I would have is regarding the map image at the top, which is identical to the article you've not created on the French province of Champagne. Is the "wine region" contiguous with the french province, or is the wine production in the region centered around a smaller region within the province, or does it consist of mainly regions within the french province with overlapping areas in other nearby provinces. I won't challenge the GA status on this article, but I do believe that this needs to be clarified better. Dr. Cash 03:50, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Well Champagne (wine) is legally defined as any wine made within the Champagne (province) and with the high value of that name recognition there are producers in nearly every village in the province with vineyards scattered throughout. I would say they are contiguous. I can see where the confusion lies and will think of a way to better clarify that. Agne^Cheese/^Wine 00:53, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

GA/R

I didn't see anyone say it, so I will, this article has been listed on WP:GA/R for a Good Article review. Homestarmy 21:22, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

GA kept

The article was kept. Quadzilla99 15:37, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

See the article hsitory above for a link to the discussion. Quadzilla99 17:16, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

expansion of the designated region

According to this article in the IHT, the region may be expanded soon, and there's some controversy over what exactly will be added to it (since a lot of money is obviously at stake). --Delirium (talk) 02:05, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, that is interesting and I can see how it can be very contentious. They've talked about expanding in the past but nothing every came of it. At this point, I'd probably hold off on adding reference to the expansion till something more concrete is announce just because there has been a lot of smoke around this topic before. It is certainly something to keep an eye on. Agne^Cheese/^Wine 02:19, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

GA Sweeps (on hold)

This article has been reviewed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force in an effort to ensure all listed Good articles continue to meet the Good article criteria. In reviewing the article, I have found there are some issues that may need to be addressed.

• Several sections are completely unreferenced

I will check back in no less than seven days. If progress is being made and issues are addressed, the article will remain listed as a Good article. Otherwise, it may be delisted (such a decision may be challenged through WP:GAR). If improved after it has been delisted, it may be nominated at WP:GAN. Feel free to drop a message on my talk page if you have any questions, and many thanks for all the hard work that has gone into this article thus far. Regards, OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 03:30, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

The "unreferenced sections" were apparent advert spam added by an anon editor after the GA review [1]. They have since been removed and the article should be in the same state as it was during the initial GA review with everything completely referenced. Thank you for posting this notice and helping to make us aware of the sneaky spam attack. Agne^Cheese/^Wine 03:44, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I will happily accept the reverted version. Thanks for ensuring this article remaining as GA. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 00:40, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Potential viticulture section

An anon added the following

“ Interestingly, until 1998, household refuge from Paris was commonly used as fertiliser for the soils of many vineyards in the region. ”

Besides needing to remove the POV oriented "interestingly", the comment was out of place in the climate and geography section it was placed so I'm moving it here. The source appears reliable and I would not be adverse to its inclusion but I would like to see it put in a more appropriate "Viticulture" section--which would need to be developed. Agne^Cheese/^Wine 02:39, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

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