Talk:Grape juice

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On behalf of my fellow student team enrolled in an introductory food science course at UBC, we would like to use our newly learned food science knowledge to enhance this article on grape juice. In particular, we are interested in exploring and contributing to ingredients, production and processing, packaging and storage, variety of grape juices, health benefits, and nutrition value. We will continue to post our outlines and drafts on this sandbox (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Nguymk/sandbox). We welcome all comments and feedback. We look forward to contributing to Wikipedia via this course assignment.

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Maybe there should be some mention regarding how grape juice is a natural laxative? I didn't even realize it until I noticed a trend whenever I drank it.69.91.81.247 02:56, 7 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's a food intolerance; I have that reaction myself to too much grape juice; particlarly the carborated kinds (like Welchs), but other family members seem unaffected. Since just about every food or drink known to man has someone intolerant of it it's probably not something to list in the food & drink articles; it's not an allergy so it doesn't belong in that article. And currently the food intolerance article lists no examples of common food intolerances. Jon 22:12, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why is it that the article is so much about welchs grape juice and not just grape juice? wlchs doesn't taste like normal grape juice in britain and france, and theres lots of other grape juice. Squeezbert 16:07, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

For that matter, grape juice in America that isn't Welchs tastes different than Welches. Jon 22:12, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The picture on the page is not very good. At first glance, it looked like a pizza to me. Does anyone have anything better? ZPS102 02:04, 12 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I like the confusion with peetsuh that disappears with closer inspection. We can't go around confusing people with pictures entirely of concord grapes, especially since some people seem to need the fibre that naturally goes with them, or they get diarrhea. They also come in different sizes. 216.234.170.75 (talk) 10:44, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Who copied who?[edit]

This wikipedia article was either copied to another wiki or from this other wiki. Is this a copy right issue? http://www.encyclowine.org/index.php/Grape_juice

Don't know. Don't care. They're both wikis, probably with common authors. If you think anybody's contribution might get short shrift somehow, then get it into the end notes. On second thought, since the link does not go to an article on grape juice, it seems to be broken, or maybe that wiki is broken. 216.234.170.75 (talk) 10:52, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ancient pasteurization?[edit]

This is a completely dubious inclusion in an otherwise helpful entry. I have spent a considerable amount of time researching the origins of wine and the beverages that were available during the 1st century. Prior to 1862, the process of pasteurization was unknown. If such a process was common knowledge prior to 1862, one would not think that the process invented by Louis Pasteur (and which bears his name) would have been all that novel. Hence, Thomas Bramwell Welch's application of pasteurization to the juice of grapes was a new concept, which produced the first grape juice. Before pastuerization, there was no way to stop the fermentation process. Any grape juice in the ancient world eventually turned into wine. And the sweeter the juice, the higher the alcohol content of the wine (any of you wine experts correct me if I am wrong in this area). There was no such thing as ancient grape juice. If anyone can produce a valid academic source stating that grape juice existed prior to AD 1869, please list it and I may concede the point. Until then, I will consider this statement to completely dubious, bordering on complete intellectual dishonesty. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Theologix (talk • contribs) 02:49, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It had a shelf life between eight hours and three days, which is practically no shelf life, so I am confirming your comments, and I might want you to make allowances. 216.234.170.75 (talk) 10:33, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fermentable Beverage[edit]

The only thing wrong with my comments in my edit history is that they do not explain why honey will not ferment, and it's because of the sheer concentration of sugar. Concentrating juice at seven to one will do the same thing. 7:1 does not need to be frozen, because anything near the consistency of syrup will not ferment. Reconstituted juice off the shelf will ferment given the right kind of yeast or sufficient exposure to air. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.234.170.67 (talk) 10:01, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ancient Preservation[edit]

An article here quotes many sources to demonstrate that grape juice was often preserved, unfermented, in ancient times. Generally, the process involved boiling it down to nearly a paste. It was reconstituted for drinking, which explains the usual "temperance" argument that wine was watered down. The ratio of 5-to-1 or 4-to-1 water to wine was for reconstituting the paste. However, I don't know enough about this subject to add a reasonable section to this article.

Merge with Grape[edit]

This article needs to be merged with the Grape article which has a juice section also. And where is the composition?- (actual, not just FDA categories, ie, sugars, phenols, etc).69.72.27.139 (talk) 10:35, 19 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Rubbish article[edit]

This is one of the worst articles I've seen for a while. It's largely about the history of Welch's. It should just be a section at Grape, with the info about Welch's at Welch's. And the (poor quality) photograph doesn't even look like purple grape juice, which in my experience is opaque. As far as I'm aware Welch's Purple Grape Juice is rather unique. There's very little about it on that page, save for a note about the article reading like an advertisement, so perhaps that's why it's found a home here. If nobody objects I might disect this article, place the meat at the relevant article and turn this into a redirect. nagualdesign (talk) 18:49, 2 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Having received no reply I have boldly split the contents of this page and copied them to Grape and Welch's. nagualdesign (talk) 04:38, 17 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There was never consensus to delete and redirect this article. It should have gone through Articles for Deletion. Rreagan007 (talk) 20:25, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies for that, but as you can see I received no opposition in 11 weeks (2 December to 17 February) and the article wasn't deleted, I copied all of the contents to Grape and Welch's and turned this article into a redirect. Nothing was lost.

As articles go this one is pretty poor. It's ostensibly about grape juice but actually reads more like an advertisement for Welch Foods Inc. I still think it should be a redirect. Why do you think it should be kept as is? nagual design 21:14, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I agree the current state of the article is poor, but just because an article is in rough shape doesn't mean it should be deleted or redirected, it means it should be improved. I think this topic is notable enough to merit its own article, which is the standard that Wikipedia uses to determine if a topic should have its own article. Regardless, if you think this article should still be deleted, you can nominate it at Articles for Deletion. Rreagan007 (talk) 22:14, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The Grape article has a section on Juice. It's currently a single paragraph. If at some point it's expanded to the point where it merits its own article then we can do that. I don't see how grape juice is notable enough to merit its own article at the moment. The Grape article also has a section on Use in religion largely identical to the one here, both of which are mainly about wine, not grape juice. At the very least the section on Welch's Grape Juice needs to be removed per WP:PROMO. If you're willing to make amends to the article then have at it. nagual design 22:43, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Global Grape Juice[edit]

As mentioned previously, it would be nice to address the actual diversity of grape juice as it manifests across a variety of cultures and markets. Also, if I recall correctly, the nomenclature for the product in certain languages can be misleading at times, such as the use of the term "grape fruit juice" in a market that doesn't carry citrus grapefruit juice.

99.145.186.17 (talk) 05:30, 19 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Catholicism[edit]

The section on Catholicism is awkwardly written. It begins with the concept of transubstantiation which is only indirectly related. The main point should be that Catholics do not regard grape juice as the proper "matter" for the sacrament. As noted, this is because Jesus used wine and not grape juice at the Last Supper. This article is more relevant than the transubstantiation article: https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05584a.htm Tdsandquist (talk) 03:36, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Update: actually it turns out that Catholics give priests permission in some cases to use "mustum" in certain cases, which could be regarded as grape juice (though it must be "either fresh or preserved by methods that suspend its fermentation without altering its nature (for example, freezing)"): https://www.ewtn.com/catholicism/library/norms-for-use-of-lowgluten-bread-and-mustum-followup-2113 Tdsandquist (talk) 02:14, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]